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Amazon reviews for GW2.... bear with me here
« on: December 19, 2012, 03:32:32 pm »
Everyone who has an account with Amazon, please pull up GW2 there and vote up the reviews that mention recent NCSoft business practices, as "useful" reviews. A lot of people are reviewing the game and mentioning the unstability of NCSoft's actions in thier reviews, and these are being voted down as "not useful" reviews by diehard GW2 fans. There are several - nay, many - insightful reviews mentioning what's happened to CoX. This issue is a thing other gamers need to know about.

Those reviews need to stay near the top, so that they can be seen by potential NCSoft customers. At least, to me this would be a good idea. Amazon is a big and influential site. To say the least.

I am not advocating a rampage of negative Gw2 reviews out of spite, I just want what happened to be very visible to potential NCSoft customers.

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Re: Amazon reviews for GW2.... bear with me here
« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2012, 04:51:37 pm »
Logging in is not required.
I wouldn't use the word "replace," but there's no word for "take over for you and make everything better almost immediately," so we just say "replace."

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Re: Amazon reviews for GW2.... bear with me here
« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2012, 04:54:54 pm »
Strange, because when I vote anything up or down they make me log in. This isn't a new thing, either, they've always made me do it.

Regardless, people considering GW2 still need to know how this company treats its playerbases.

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Re: Amazon reviews for GW2.... bear with me here
« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2012, 05:09:07 pm »
I've only seen a couple that reference NCSoft (one of them actually said NCSoft had transferred Anet to Nexon) as a drawback. Mostly, it's "the game was great, but the last update completely changed it into a grind-fest!"

What does up-rating and down-rating do? At about ten pages in, I still hadn't even figured out how the reviews were sorted.
I wouldn't use the word "replace," but there's no word for "take over for you and make everything better almost immediately," so we just say "replace."

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Re: Amazon reviews for GW2.... bear with me here
« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2012, 05:14:37 pm »
Some of these reviews seems like bought reviews.
Actually a quite common solution to raise selling numbers. And due the fact we have pretty corrupted publisher (in my sight) it seems possible.

Btw. most of the people I know already stopped playing GW 2. It's a grindfest as far I heard O.o
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Re: Amazon reviews for GW2.... bear with me here
« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2012, 05:23:58 pm »
There were a few that looked like the praise was a little too "formula," but a couple of the really long, categorized ones look like the kind of thing you'd see from one of those guys who shows up every Thursday at the game store to play Warhammer, regardless of interest, weather, or if the store is even open. :)
I wouldn't use the word "replace," but there's no word for "take over for you and make everything better almost immediately," so we just say "replace."

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Re: Amazon reviews for GW2.... bear with me here
« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2012, 06:33:57 pm »
Very mature people.  I disapprove what NCSoft did to us but I'm not willing to take it out on another studio's product simply because they too are part of NCSoft.
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Re: Amazon reviews for GW2.... bear with me here
« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2012, 06:40:17 pm »
Very mature people.  I disapprove what NCSoft did to us but I'm not willing to take it out on another studio's product simply because they too are part of NCSoft.

QFT. This getting silly.

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Re: Amazon reviews for GW2.... bear with me here
« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2012, 06:45:51 pm »
Very mature people.  I disapprove what NCSoft did to us but I'm not willing to take it out on another studio's product simply because they too are part of NCSoft.

Yeah I'm all for the saveCOH movement and hope that tactic that is being done on the other websites gets the results of what ever the goal is, but I too just cannon partake in taking it out on another studio's product because of their NCSoft affiliation. I'm sure the players love their game as much as we did and would feel bad that if I did partake in those type of actions and something bad happens to their game. I would feel that would make me just as bad if not worse than NCSoft.

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Re: Amazon reviews for GW2.... bear with me here
« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2012, 06:46:50 pm »
Very mature people.  I disapprove what NCSoft did to us but I'm not willing to take it out on another studio's product simply because they too are part of NCSoft.

Yea, very mature... how dare anyone attempt to communicate NCSoft's track record to future customers of said company! That's just childish...  :o

For the sake of the community: please stop the cultural "research" in your attempt to put blame on the game's cancelation.

It's sickening to see the community sink that low. It's worse to see the community does not get it.

I'm signing off and taking a break, blindly hope things change.

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Re: Amazon reviews for GW2.... bear with me here
« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2012, 07:00:27 pm »
Yea, very mature... how dare anyone attempt to communicate NCSoft's track record to future customers of said company! That's just childish...  :o

Oh nothing wrong with that at all. I just dont get the method especially for example Amazon where the reviews is supposed to be for Guild Wars 2 not NCSoft. By all means, if people it is right thing to do, I say go for it. No judgement here.  I just cant do it. I wouldnt want someone to do it and give one stars to COX because Tabula Rasa was closed down and because it was a NCSoft product so I cant rbing myself to do it to another game, NCSoft or not. Now if it was an NCSoft review, oh hell yeah I'd let it fly with no remorse. But giving a game a bad review or downing a game just because it was made by NCSoft and not by the game's own merits, it just something I cant personally do. Personal choice for me.

The main point-If it feels like the right thing to do, go ahead, not a single shred of negative judgement from my view but I cannot partake or support it.

Kind of like I dont support going door to door in the morning waking people out of their sleep to talk about religion but hey, they feel like it's the right thing to do and they have an audience so no ill feeling towards them even when they wake me out of my sleep talking about something I have no interest in. I listen to what they have to say and go about my day, but I would never go out myself and do it.

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Re: Amazon reviews for GW2.... bear with me here
« Reply #11 on: December 19, 2012, 07:04:58 pm »
There were a few that looked like the praise was a little too "formula," but a couple of the really long, categorized ones look like the kind of thing you'd see from one of those guys who shows up every Thursday at the game store to play Warhammer, regardless of interest, weather, or if the store is even open. :)
LOL! *thumbs-up*

Now, I have no issues with bringing up NCSoft and their crappy track-record, but honestly, Amazon reviews are intended to be reviews of the product itself. A lot of people violate that by sometimes posting a bad review and then talking about their bad 3rd party seller experience, and that's not what that's for.

As such, I don't think I can participate in the "voting-up" of reviews that focus on NCSoft and not the product itself.
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Re: Amazon reviews for GW2.... bear with me here
« Reply #12 on: December 19, 2012, 07:09:26 pm »
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Oh nothing wrong with that at all. I just dont get the method especially for example Amazon where the reviews is supposed to be for Guild Wars 2 not NCSoft.

When you subscribe to an MMO, you buy the rope with the goat. It helps to know the quality of the rope; if it is rotten you may lose your goat.

Writing a review there that clearly talks about the company with the power to kill the game at a whim, thatís very valid. Claiming GW2 is garbage just because it's done by a studio that belongs to NCSoft... now that may be out of line (unless you played it and you really think it IS garbage.)

You also may even notice the OP did not ask for you to give it a bad rating, but to up-vote the specific "NCSoft Story" reviews.

You can rate something 5 stars yourself and still agree and up-vote a negative review. It's not like people that are going to buy the game will stop buying it because of that warning. The real point is to call attention to the parent company's business practices.
For the sake of the community: please stop the cultural "research" in your attempt to put blame on the game's cancelation.

It's sickening to see the community sink that low. It's worse to see the community does not get it.

I'm signing off and taking a break, blindly hope things change.

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Re: Amazon reviews for GW2.... bear with me here
« Reply #13 on: December 19, 2012, 07:13:51 pm »
And that was only in a couple of reviews that I saw. The vast majority of the one star reviews were grind-fest complaints. There were even a few that were three stars which said that they would have been higher had the game not switch to the grind-fest format.
I wouldn't use the word "replace," but there's no word for "take over for you and make everything better almost immediately," so we just say "replace."

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Re: Amazon reviews for GW2.... bear with me here
« Reply #14 on: December 19, 2012, 07:22:01 pm »
When you subscribe to an MMO, you buy the rope with the goat. It helps to know the quality of the rope; if it is rotten you may lose your goat.

Writing a review there that clearly talks about the company with the power to kill the game at a whim, thatís very valid. Claiming GW2 is garbage just because it's done by a studio that belongs to NCSoft... now that may be out of line (unless you played it and you really think it IS garbage.)

You also may even notice the OP did not ask for you to give it a bad rating, but to up-vote the specific "NCSoft Story" reviews.

You can rate something 5 stars yourself and still agree and up-vote a negative review. It's not like people that are going to buy the game will stop buying it because of that warning. The real point is to call attention to the parent company's business practices.

yep and wasnt refering to the OP and that method. That what drew me to Amazon in the first place. But while I was there I did notice some reviews that were just as i described, one staring of the product and no mentio nof the product but based off of NCSoft. Like I said, I dont feel it's wrong or right, it's personal choice to get the message across. But I'm just stating that I couldnt do it. I dont get it, but that doesnt automatically mean I frown upon it. If I dont get something, how can I pass judgement on it without understanding it fro mtheir point of view? I cant. I know myself though and it would be against what I believe is right for me, which may be pure evil in the eyes of another person and not right for them. 

And yeah it was only a few and more than likely those type of reviews that one star the game because of affiliation with NCSoft probably wont have much of an effect, as most of them are about the actual gameplay. It seems the common complaint is about the grind.

Or better yet, it's like posting pictures of yourself on the internet. I see nothing wrong with that if people choose to do so, but you wont catch my picture on the internet willingly because it's not right for me. In fact only about 11 pictures now exist of me in the past 28 years, most were before taken before I was 10. Between 10-16, no pictures. After 18, only 3 including driver's license, military ID, and one that I allowed someone to take of me. Besides that no more. But no ill will towards people with 1,000s of pictures floating around of them from this year alone. It's somethingthey choose to do and that I cant do.

Wait, make that four since 18. I had take a new one for the DoD civ. pic. and dont know if they destroyed the old pic or have it in a file somewhere.
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Re: Amazon reviews for GW2.... bear with me here
« Reply #15 on: December 19, 2012, 08:24:09 pm »
LOL! *thumbs-up*

Now, I have no issues with bringing up NCSoft and their crappy track-record, but honestly, Amazon reviews are intended to be reviews of the product itself. A lot of people violate that by sometimes posting a bad review and then talking about their bad 3rd party seller experience, and that's not what that's for.

As such, I don't think I can participate in the "voting-up" of reviews that focus on NCSoft and not the product itself.

Especially when talking about an online game which will require you to have a continuing relationship with the publisher, I think that the publisher and their business practices are part and parcel of the product.  You can't have one without the other, so including legitimate information about one in a review of the other should be perfectly valid.

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Re: Amazon reviews for GW2.... bear with me here
« Reply #16 on: December 19, 2012, 08:32:46 pm »
Especially when talking about an online game which will require you to have a continuing relationship with the publisher, I think that the publisher and their business practices are part and parcel of the product.  You can't have one without the other, so including legitimate information about one in a review of the other should be perfectly valid.

It makes sense when I thought of it like cable and a cable provider.

It's like reviewing cable service it and saying, "yeah the channel selection was excellent and excellent picture, immediate service when upgrading but the company ripped me off three months in a row and hour long hold times regardless of time of day to get the problem fixed so I give them 2 stars out of ten." Even thought the product provided was good, still it get bad review because of the actions of the billing section the provider even though the sells department did good job. But as a whole experience, the billing section shoddy work killed the joy of the rest of the good things.

It makes more sense to me in that light.

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Re: Amazon reviews for GW2.... bear with me here
« Reply #17 on: December 19, 2012, 08:39:25 pm »
Especially when talking about an online game which will require you to have a continuing relationship with the publisher, I think that the publisher and their business practices are part and parcel of the product.  You can't have one without the other, so including legitimate information about one in a review of the other should be perfectly valid.

Spreading the information about the way NCsoft treats its games in reviews is fine. It's the call to artificially position reviews mentioning the topic that is crossing the line. Also the accusation of downvoters to be "diehard GW2 fans" - a claim that is most likely unfounded. And the fact that some of those "reviews" don't even mention reviewed game. To be blunt: it's borderline unicorning people that are looking for honest opinions.

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Re: Amazon reviews for GW2.... bear with me here
« Reply #18 on: December 19, 2012, 09:01:40 pm »
Well, I reviewed it based on the game itself and not on CoH.
3 stars overall.  The game doesnt impress me and i quit playing after maxing one character.
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Re: Amazon reviews for GW2.... bear with me here
« Reply #19 on: December 19, 2012, 11:10:24 pm »
Personally, I am of the opinion that you can't serve two masters.
Can you be pro-GW2 and anti-NCSoft? It's possible, I guess. You may have already bought the game when the announcement came out about the CoH closure. However, if I were one of those folks, I'd be far less inclined to spend time developing my characters knowing there's nothing to stop NCSoft from pulling the plug on that game as well. "Those who ignore history are destined to repeat it." (I think Marcus Aurelius gets credit for that quote.) The up-vote of product opinions that reveal to a potential buyer the truth about NCSoft is not a morally questionable action. It's a moral imperative to those who feel that they would have wanted to know this information before they bought GW2.
 Myself, I would want to know this information before I bought GW2, so I have no qualms whatsoever about finding the review "helpful". Quite the contrary. To use the aforementioned goat/rope analogy, I'm very concerned about any rope that holds my goat.

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