Titan Network
Graveyard => Save Paragon Retirees => Save Paragon City! => Topic started by: Rae on November 16, 2012, 10:03:56 PM
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Spotted this in L4G channel on Virtue just now and wondered if anyone else had seen it, or cared particularly?
[Looking For Group] New City of heroes: Sad that city of heroes will be gone forever soon? Have no fear, us at new city of heroes are creating a new server just like the server you are on now!. For more info please message me or send an email at (Email address deleted).
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I saw it last night on Protector. It was badly misspelled and the grammar just screamed 'robo-translation'.
If it's legit, I wouldn't give them my money because they cant spell. If it's not legit, I wouldn't give them my money and I'd slap them if I could.
As you can see, either way. Whoever it is will probably not be getting a shot at my money.
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If that's those Gagora sleezeballs, I may need to break out the flamethrower.
...what? They're legal to own in the US.
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If that's those Gagora sleezeballs, I may need to break out the flamethrower.
...what? They're legal to own in the US.
They're legal to own in the UK, we used one for extreme gardening.
And if it's gagora, I HATE them from RIFT gold spam, please send the report in to NCSoft.
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I dread to ask; who is "gragora?"
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They're legal to own in the UK, we used one for extreme gardening.
The images this invokes produces great hilarity for me. Weed like you mean it!
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I dread to ask; who is "gragora?"
I thought the Voltron killed that thing?
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I dread to ask; who is "gragora?"
It was a website that sold influence for real currency. Chances are they'd just take your real money and give you nothing in return. They may have also sold power leveling. But they were very very annoying because they would sign up for trial accounts and spam you with emails, tells, global tells, all in game. My block list is still full of all of them. But they are the main reason why trial accounts, then eventually the F2P accounts, got to be so limited with chat options. Every time I logged into the game I would have 10+ emails advertising their website. It sucked, I hated them.
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It was a website that sold influence for real currency. Chances are they'd just take your real money and give you nothing in return. They may have also sold power leveling. But they were very very annoying because they would sign up for trial accounts and spam you with emails, tells, global tells, all in game. My block list is still full of all of them. But they are the main reason why trial accounts, then eventually the F2P accounts, got to be so limited with chat options. Every time I logged into the game I would have 10+ emails advertising their website. It sucked, I hated them.
It's a little late now, but you can limit your email to global friend/sg only. Worked wonders for that. Had no reason to be emailed by random players anyways.
I never had a problem with RLM transfers for influence or power leveling on principle: that was effectively what the PP market was anyways after a bit when you could buy enhancements and bonus XP off of them.
I know NCSoft or Paragon Studios made the argument that if people could blow through the game too fast or get too good of equipment too early with real life money it'd make people leave the game... but then they started to sell their own effective power leveling and enhancements right from the store, so I'm not sure I buy the excuse of 'power leveling causes people to quit the game'.
But what I did hate, was Gold Spam. The thing was that, Gold Spam bots almost always advertised for scams sites anyways just compounding the failure.
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Everything about it screams scam to me. Its sad that it's so tempting, and I;m sure people will sign away to them.
I said something about not trusting them on the LFG channel & they pst'd me " New City of heroes: why not trust us? we luanch when COH goes down and if u wanna play u pay via paypal =D"
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honestly i think that sounds really shady to me, i would only trust the guys at titan for coming up with a solution
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For the record, we have absolutely nothing to do with this. If we ever release anything as a result of reverse engineering, it will not have any NCsoft IP in it unless (or until) we acquire it legally.
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It was badly misspelled...
Worse than the real CoH?!? The mind boggles!
Ha ha, I kid... I kid...
But seriously folks, all this talk of flamethrowers keeps reminding me of George Carlin's comment that their existence means that at some point someone thought, "You know, I'd really like to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done."
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I talked to the person, trying to find out who was behind it. There appeared to be a language barrier that made it difficult for me to communicate with them, however, and so I couldn't get much out of them. All I can say is that they seemed more concerned with the 'pitch' than with the explanation, but that could be a trait of a rabid fan as much as it could be a trait of a scammer.
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Since I am usually silly person, I decided to talk with them, and ask for newsettler. Over the course of chatting spelling got a tad better (on the other hand, english isn't my native language, as my spelling might have betrayed earlier.), making them a bit more legitimate. They required only email adress so far (no wild spam spike noted so far, and well, no payment needed) Mail I received today says that first two months on that server will be free of charge.
So, if I will be able to check out how it is really working before jumping onto that cart, they are currently looking for more people for server stability test.
I certainly do not encourage anyone to pay them, as I myself am still tad worried, but I think since they offer testing period... maybe they are (like me) from the parts of the world where english is really foreign language, and two months of free playing time seems like a good period of time to make a choice.
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Also some parts of the world (China) is notorious for not following any IP laws.
I would not be surprised if they were Chinese CoH farmers now! Join our game and you get 100,000,000 free influence and Pl to 50 on one character!
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Also some parts of the world (China) is notorious for not following any IP laws.
I would not be surprised if they were Chinese CoH farmers now! Join our game and you get 100,000,000 free influence and Pl to 50 on one character!
lol that just made me think of a gamers web comic called 'The noob', there was an episode with gold farmers working tirelessly in the basement.
But yeah, sounds 100% like a scam to me. I saw it on Virtue last night as well, however I was about to go out so I didn't try to converse with them. I for one will not download or transfer any money to anyone without thorough research. I wouldn't even give them my email address in fear that they would try to hack it.
I'm only slightly paranoid and protective of my computer and my measly bank account.
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I'd be worried about downloading anything from them or giving their program any access to you're computer. Not all scams are monetary.
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I'd be worried about downloading anything from them or giving their program any access to you're computer. Not all scams are monetary.
If I get ahold of a client or anything, I have a clean virtual machine I can try it out on, but yeah. No matter how honest and trustworthy they seem, I wouldn't install anything on your computer from a source you don't consider trustworthy. (And yes, I realize that we ourselves have put out third party utilities over the years. Hopefully you trust us, but every once in a while, I still see messages boiling down to, "We don't really know who these Titan Network yahoos are..." My response is always, "Fair enough, I understand. If you're not comfortable installing Titan Network software, I urge you to not, it's a responsible decision.")
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I agree with the installing, as i believe, minor modifications within the registers are usually all that is required. I will keep my research, and gladly provide files for analysis here. I think, that is best bet so far. I have suspicions they maybe a members of brasilian team that tried to tackle making of private server some time ago, and language barrier was a bit of problem to them.
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I still see messages boiling down to, we don't really know who these Titan Network yahoos are...'"
I'm sure if say, (heaven forfend!) MIDS had a virus attached, we'd all hear about it within hours and it would be patched.
One of the best things about the Internet, one can very easily google-search any organization that's been around for any time and find out about their reputation. Sure they control their own site, but they can't delete bad word-of-mouth on other people's sites.
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I've seen them advertising on Virtue as well and today logged in when someone was in the midst of talking with them. They have a website with a phone number. I don't have any great search skills but the phone seems to come from Succasunna, NJ. Anyway, someone said if they got Titan's ok, that might give it some legitimate-ness (?). So, brace yourself if you are contacted by them, Tony.
Personally, I don't know what to think. Other than, if it sounds too good to be true....
Cheers!
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...what? They're legal to own in the US.
Technically a weapon version such as the military uses is not legal to own in the US without proper licenses, just like rocket launchers, full auto weapons, etc.
However, there are garden versions for burning weeds..
Not to mention it's really easy to build one.
/derail.
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I've seen them advertising on Virtue as well and today logged in when someone was in the midst of talking with them. They have a website with a phone number. I don't have any great search skills but the phone seems to come from Succasunna, NJ. Anyway, someone said if they got Titan's ok, that might give it some legitimate-ness (?). So, brace yourself if you are contacted by them, Tony.
Personally, I don't know what to think. Other than, if it sounds too good to be true....
Cheers!
Saw this as well. Good thing is a few people said they wouldn't trust them without Titan's approval.
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If I understood correctly, Titan Network is not supporting any such project, therefore, Tony merely said he could test if the files they suggest to dowload are clear. I believe no endrosement of such actions will ever happen here, as priority of the reverse engineering is removing IP licensed names, while getting the game mechanics recreated, while, they seem to focus onn getting alternative working server.
Still, this requires more insight and careful approach.
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Yeah. Sounds very illegal. It would be interesting to have a working copy of a server around after november, but not something to get any close to.
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Sounds like online hackers trying to prey upon the hopes of CoH players to me. You give them your email. You get a key logger on your machine. They scour your hard drive for any different accounts, logins and personal info they can get. It's probably the same people as would hack you via illegal online gold selling if you would only buy from them.
Don't look so surprised: Gold farmers/hackers do the same type of thing. Peeps buy gold. They get a key logger either directly from the gold seller's site they visited, or in the confirmation email for their purchase, and the credit card account they used to buy gold soon gets hacked besides.
I would just block anyone with similar messages.
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If this was legit, the obvious question is why there is no prior mention or record of their existence? An actual server emulator would take significant effort and time to develop, and I doubt they had much of the latter.
Poor English skills from their alleged PR people, despite a US IP? I'd check if that IP doesn't belong to a proxy.
Quacks like a scam, walks like a scam. Probably is a scam.
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Sounds like online hackers trying to prey upon the hopes of CoH players to me. You give them your email. You get a key logger on your machine. They scour your hard drive for any different accounts, logins and personal info they can get. It's probably the same people as would hack you via illegal online gold selling if you would only buy from them.
Don't look so surprised: Gold farmers/hackers do the same type of thing. Peeps buy gold. They get a key logger either directly from the gold seller's site they visited, or in the confirmation email for their purchase, and the credit card account they used to buy gold soon gets hacked besides.
I would just block anyone with similar messages.
Mildly unrelated, but it always amuses me when people claim they got hacked after buying gold or powerlevelling or whatever from one of these shady sites. They GAVE them their info, only rarely is actual hacking involved at all.
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Probably just NCsoft trying to salvage something from the situation. (shrug)
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If I understood correctly, Titan Network is not supporting any such project, therefore, Tony merely said he could test if the files they suggest to dowload are clear.
Yeah, I'm not going to endorse something I have zero control over or insight into. But I admit, my curiosity is piqued. I have the technical capabilities to prevent my machine from being hacked, which is why I might scratch that itch at some point and see if this is anywhere close to being on the level. Other than the SEGS people (who, to be fair, I'm not familiar with either), I don't know anyone else who has even tried to create a private server. I dunno, maybe someone pulled it off. But I have to admit that right now, it sounds pretty scammy to me that out of the blue someone all of a sudden has a fully working server. If I'm proven wrong, I'll be intrigued.
Yeah. Sounds very illegal. It would be interesting to have a working copy of a server around after november, but not something to get any close to.
If they're running CoH servers with NCsoft's IP, it's definitely illegal... Well, okay, maybe not definitely. If they're running them somewhere where IP laws are lax and/or not enforced, it's possible they might be doing it without breaking the law, but if you're somewhere where IP laws are enforced, you'd be breaking it by logging in.
Probably just NCsoft trying to salvage something from the situation. (shrug)
This prospect made me literally laugh out loud. Heh, some rogue operators from Paragon Studios and/or NCsoft got the code base into the hands of foreign operators where NCsoft couldn't reach them? That would be glorious.
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Other than the SEGS people (who, to be fair, I'm not familiar with either), I don't know anyone else who has even tried to create a private server. I dunno, maybe someone pulled it off.
I've read something about another one, which was supposedly compatible with the game up to I3.
This prospect made me literally laugh out loud. Heh, some rogue operators from Paragon Studios and/or NCsoft got the code base into the hands of foreign operators where NCsoft couldn't reach them? That would be glorious.
That would be ridiculous, wouldn't it? But it might just as well be disinformation meant to pacify us - if we're waiting with baited breath for the new awesome CoH private server, we're less likely to do anything that damages NCsoft's reputation further or progress much on Plan Z.
... unofrtunately for them, if that is it, it won't work that way.
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This prospect made me literally laugh out loud. Heh, some rogue operators from Paragon Studios and/or NCsoft got the code base into the hands of foreign operators where NCsoft couldn't reach them? That would be glorious.
Okay all you Rogues out there no high fives yet! That would be cool thought! Perhaps a Mission arc in Plan Z where a Rogue saves a Dimension/Program by stealing it from Ensay Programming.
I've read something about another one, which was supposedly compatible with the game up to I3. That would be ridiculous, wouldn't it? But it might just as well be disinformation meant to pacify us - if we're waiting with baited breath for the new awesome CoH private server, we're less likely to do anything that damages NCsoft's reputation further or progress much on Plan Z.
... unofrtunately for them, if that is it, it won't work that way.
Would fit in with NCsoft misunderstanding of western mind set. It just be a reminder of what we lost and spur us even harder.
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Sounds like online hackers trying to prey upon the hopes of CoH players to me. You give them your email. You get a key logger on your machine. They scour your hard drive for any different accounts, logins and personal info they can get. It's probably the same people as would hack you via illegal online gold selling if you would only buy from them.
Don't look so surprised: Gold farmers/hackers do the same type of thing. Peeps buy gold. They get a key logger either directly from the gold seller's site they visited, or in the confirmation email for their purchase, and the credit card account they used to buy gold soon gets hacked besides.
I would just block anyone with similar messages.
Not all of them, I've known people that routinely bought gold without ever getting hacked - some of the RMT's actually consider themselves as service providers and I guess they welcome the return business? :P
Of course for every "legit" one there's probably several who ARE actually after your information so that they can rob you blind.
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And there are some who just don't care about customer privacy / security.
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This link popped up this evening on Freedom:
http://www.newcityofheroes.net/
Thoughts?
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A WhoIs search shows that website is owned by Tucows. A canadian company that used to put out a lot of shareware.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tucows
I admit that I know next to nothing about canadian laws, but would running a private server really be legal there?
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Not all of them, I've known people that routinely bought gold without ever getting hacked - some of the RMT's actually consider themselves as service providers and I guess they welcome the return business? :P
Of course for every "legit" one there's probably several who ARE actually after your information so that they can rob you blind.
I know a few legit ones. You can usually tell when they accept payments by paypal and don't require the use of your account to make the trade. They'll also ask for sanitized proof of the fact your the CC holder.
With that said, it's a grey business area, and with RMT in general it's mostly in the black.
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A WhoIs search shows that website is owned by Tucows. A canadian company that used to put out a lot of shareware.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tucows
I admit that I know next to nothing about canadian laws, but would running a private server really be legal there?
The website is not owned by Tucows. Tucows is a service provider of various e-services, including being a domain registrar. That is where the domain name itself was registered. WHOIS information often reveals squat these days with the popular WHOIS privacy service most providers offer. It's against certain regulations by ICANN to provide false information during registration, so to help with that, domain providers are sort of the middle men between people who contact the domain owner and the domain owner themselves, like a forwarding service.
What it does reveal is whether or not the entity in question has something to hide, which you should be weary of with businesses or service providers. It's not uncommon or surprising however, to find personal pages or individual entities who use it, which is fine. The reason it's being used here should be obvious; they know what they're doing is illegal and they even claim on the site they aren't affiliated with NCSoft to try and fluff it up as much as they can when they end up getting into legal waters.
What most people who use it fail to realize is that they give up the legal ownership of the domain, since technically whoever is listed on the WHOIS record is the legal owner. Of course, most providers wouldn't try to cheat anyone or abuse this power otherwise nobody would ever pay for it and they probably make more off this feature (a few extra dollars a year you have to pay) than they would make trying to claim ownership of someone elses domain who used the service where the domain was worth millions.
With that out of the way, to answer the poster above you...
That is the most unprofessional looking website I've seen in a long time. The person writing should take a writing course if they want to be taken seriously by anyone with enough education to spot a scam. I'm not claiming to be an English professor or anything but if you're going to be providing (and have the technical knowledge to do so) something as noteworthy as a 3rd party alternative to CoH, at least make a decent presentation.
I'm not saying it is, but there are alarm bells going off everywhere with that site (who contacts you by phone when they could just use a newsletter for folks who want to be notified or have questions?) Anyone seriously considering paying for a 3rd party server like that should think twice.
Besides, if they can't even design a halfway decent coming soon page, what makes you think they are going to be capable of providing the support for it?
I want an official CoH or alternative product supported by professionals or nothing at all. For some people I realize the need outweighs the risks, but for me, I'll pass. I just hope if it's a big scam that not many people are going to be taken advantage of or abused in the future.
It's like the people that set up donation websites during a headline crisis or disaster and steal from people.
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There were a few more bits of information in chat:
1) No character transfer -- you have to start over.
2) No future development.
3) All features of the current client supported.
Which is a bit interesting, if someone walked off with the code, why wouldn't they have taken the beta code? The new issue was essentially complete and definitely playable.
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Here's the thing:
A) Domain registrars and hosts generally have a "document" that you "sign" when acquiring their services that prohibits you using their services to do illegal things (at least, the reputable ones do). I have requested that from Tucows, without any reference to specific websites.
B) You don't @#$% with an already disgruntled community, particularly one with some computer/internet savvy.
So, my question is this: is "policing" this person/organization/scammer in the best interest of the community, as a whole, even if it incidentally helps NCSoftcore?
(The IP address attached to that website appears to be owned by Tucows, as well, and they have ping response turned off. A trace route stops returning addresses after it passes a router at allstream.net. If fact, it passes through a total of 18 devices without returning a response before it "completes.")
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I had an interesting "Discussion" on their facebook page last night. I asked them bluntly if they were operating legally, and was told to stop posting messages of that type on their site. ?!?
I followed up with I have a lot of friends that would *cheerfully* endorse their site, as would I, if it was a *legal* site.
I asked them point blank, "Are you licensed to use the CoH IP from NCSoft, and if so, can you put something up to prove it?
Four hours later when I went to bed, no response. Haven't checked today yet, about to.
Unfortunately, my gut reaction is this is a pile of players who have figured out how to run a server, and are doing so. They argued with me that what they are doing is legal, then state that they are charging subscriptions for the game. Not without NCSoft's permission it isn't.
It sounds like they have no real clue on IP laws and what they can or can't get away with, and are doing it anyway, which is *going* to get them a C&D at least, or outright sued if they're not careful.
It's sad too, I was really hoping this was legit.
2cp. ;]
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There were a few more bits of information in chat:
1) No character transfer -- you have to start over.
Wouldn't have *too* much of a problem with this, as long as *everyone* was starting over.
Annoying, but about what we expected if they had sold off CoH to someone else.
2) No future development.
That's bad. It means the game *will* stagnate after a while, as people get bored and go play something that's new.
3) All features of the current client supported.
Okay, we'll see if that's true.
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Which is a bit interesting, if someone walked off with the code, why wouldn't they have taken the beta code? The new issue was essentially complete and definitely playable.
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Actually, several people who know more than I do, have said that i24 was *not* ready to go live, it was a couple weeks work from it. It still needed tweaking before it was released, as some elements would break the game. IIRC it was mentioned on one of the coffee talks.
New City of Heroes might have actually *gotten* the i24 Beta code, but it sounds like they have no development staff that could make it playable, so even if they *do* have it, they can't *do* anything with it.
This is *all* speculation, as I have no real idea if they have it or if they have people that could work on it.
2cp. ;]
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More information on their website. They apparently are planning two servers, one requiring a monthly sub, the other free to play.
http://www.newcityofheroes.net/Server-Descriptions-.html (http://www.newcityofheroes.net/Server-Descriptions-.html)
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That's assuming there's anything in the bag, I suspect. My best guess is that they're just hoping to round up as many minutes as they can and get as much money off them, if not their credit card information, while they can.
419 scam, MMO edition?
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Which is a bit interesting, if someone walked off with the code, why wouldn't they have taken the beta code? The new issue was essentially complete and definitely playable.
Playing the devil's advocate, I've heard that while the Paragon Studios staff were in the meeting on the morning of Friday, August 31, NCsoft personnel were actually at the site disabling everyone's account. It's feasible that someone might have had a copy of the codebase they were working on at home (that, incidentally, they most likely most certainly should NOT have had off-site, but when you have to put in such long hours...) but didn't have the time or access to get the latest and greatest copy of the code before they were cut off.
I have to emphasize that that is purely hypothetical, though. To my knowledge, no one has leaked the source code, but when you have a studio of 80+ people, it's not entirely unfathomable that somebody had a copy lying around somewhere and sold it to someone else who is looking to capitalize on it.
But having said all that, it still screams scam to me. I have to believe that if someone did take a copy of the codebase and wanted to distribute it, I honestly think they would have gone about it totally different than this. I've said this before--out of pure intellectual curiosity, I might look into it after December 1, but I also feel I have the technical skill to prevent my machine from being hacked or my identity stolen, so that is most emphatically NOT an endorsement for other people to do so. Also, just in case anyone thinks this is our attempt to do something clever, we at the Titan Network have absolutely zilch to do with this, and we are as surprised and curious as everyone else. The first I heard of it was around a week or so ago, and to be honest, my first thought was, "Oh crap, I hope that no one thinks that this is a result of our reverse engineering efforts." It most certainly is not; this is a third party that I neither know or, to my knowledge, have ever interacted with before.
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After all, if Titan Network had anything to do with this, I would be in there with a fine-toothed comb, weeding out all those atrocious spelling and grammar errors!
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Ok if you want too know the truth here it is! My Brother (17) My uncle (who runs the security on the white house) and me (19) all we wanted to do was make a private server were the 3 of us could play on while still playing with other people but half the people we try and have come play all hate us. Were not scammers and the only reason were asking for money is because it cost a lot to keep 2 servers running. We have not launched our servers to everyone yet but right now we have spent over $1,400 to get a good server that will not lag to get the fastest internet we could get around here and to get the best software we could find to run our server on. Now go ahead keep calling us scammers. We have a good amount of people to get our server running. When all you haters realize that were not scammers and all we want is to have a decent server I hope to see you there!
It's full of red flags.
Make that BLINKING NEON RED FLAGS:
1. Reverse engineering a complete functional server in 12 days, by three people? Ya, R'LYEH.
2. Going by their alleged ages, two of the three are unlikely to have any serious programming skills, much less capacity to reverse engineer their way out of a wet paper bag. I might be unfair on that assessment, but I have some hands-on experience actually doing these things (both as a computer science student and as a hobbyist) - it's by far out of reach for a typical gamer.
3. The implication is some of those are screenshots from "their" server (https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.377018355714572.90383.376748015741606&type=1). They aren't - each of those images has been stolen from elsewhere on the net.
4. "To get the best software we could find to run our server on."... yeah, because there is no free OS such as Linux, there is no free database software such as MySQL, there are no free webservers such as Apache... </sarcasm> Anyhow. Getting commercial software for that purpose would be far more expensive than that $1400 they allege. That sum is unlikely to be paying for anything approaching a sufficient setup just hardware-wise in this regard. Two units running in parallel? And the marmot, it wraps them in alu foil.
5. They seem to have a complete lack of understanding as to how trademark and intellectual property laws function. That, or belief in their own immunity - either suggests that they are indeed kids, possibly quite younger than they allege. "We don't need a license were not stealing anything"? Cool story, bro.
Of course, the other possibility is that they don't need a license because there is no server.
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Hahaha, "My uncle (who runs the security on the white house)" - classic.
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Pretty safe bet these guys are about as legitimate as that guy behind the 7-11 who opens his coat and says "wanna buy a watch?"
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Even if they did get a real server running by whatever means, it wouldn't affect what is going on here with Titan. A sketchy pirate server with no development and little support is NOT a replacement for CoH. The best it would do is stretch out the death of the game by a bit. Titan still needs to both work on getting the real IP sold to a real game company that can operate it on a long-term basis, and/or keep working on PlanZ and intermediate projects as a true successor if that doesn't work (i.e., keep doing what we've been doing).
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Hmmm Tucows sounds familiar and I'm almost certain I've seen that attached to RMT spam. Not trusting this at all and neither should anyone else. Had my friend, who actually does work internet security, take a look and before he even went to their site he said it looked fishy. Once their he stated some of what has been addressed here, the images are pulled off various spots on the web, their credentials are spotty, at the rerouting smacks of keylog scammers. Please, don't be taken in by this spam, it is, in fact, someone praying on on community hoping for personal gain, of what, no one is sure.
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There is a tiny possibility these guys are working off the CoHemu/CoXemu/SEGS source. It turns out all of it is public, which I wasn't aware of before.
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I played through all the beta content except the unique rogue and vigilante missions. I never saw anything that would have kept it from going live. I was a bit disappointed with 'the Center' and now we'll never really know where that was going.
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i can't wait to see this lawsuit...
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i can't wait to see this lawsuit...
Better keep your eyes locked on the site then, cos when that lawsuit does descend, it'll be so fast and heavy that if you blink you'll miss it!
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i can't wait to see this lawsuit...
It would be more interesting if someone could figure out where they are located.
Imagining them on SeaLand.
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If that's those Gagora sleezeballs, I may need to break out the flamethrower.
...what? They're legal to own in the US.
Just don't try to install them as a personal security system for your vehicle, so far that's not legal in the US, but it's totally legal in South Africa (Johannesburg). :(
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They're answering my questions on Facebook at the moment in response to their post:
Here my question to all you people who think were scammers. Our server is free. You don't have to pay us. In 6 days when our servers goes live you can come see what were really doing, and that would be trying to make a community where we could play the game we love because the real one is shutting down.
Alty Mo: You have not provided any information beyond "trust us" that would convince anyone to do the exact thing you're asking people to do. Even if it is free, that means I would connect my computer to your server, so how do I know your server is safe. What assurances do you provide beyond "trust me" would make me want log into your system? You don't have a name, or a location so if things go sideways, what happens then?
New City of Heroes: well honestly this is my first time doing this. If you need more info to trust us please tell me what you would like
Alty Mo: Explain to me how this works...How did you create a static server of COH? Where did the code come from? Why is this the first anyone has heard about you and your service? Also, show me what it looks like on your server, I'd like a video preview please. Also, I do not know who you are, if I'm going to spend money then I would want to know what entity I'm giving it to, even if you're not asking for it now, you do have the option to pay at some point.
New City of Heroes: I did not creat the code so I can't tell you much about it all I can say is that he recoded the server program to connect to our private server. We didn't really become very public with our server until we knew for a fact that we could launch it. Seeing now that my have been a mistake. If you would like a video I will do that right as I get home (updateing from my phone because i have faimly over) the way you connent to our server is you download a launcher we created its not much but it will have to work. It's simple all it has is a welcome sign and a connect botton to launch the game. As for me i play on virtue I have a supergroup named star of the night I have a 50+3 fire/kin trolley named hottie flames I have a few others but that's my main as for payment. You can play for free if you pay we will give you x2 xp, x5 purple enhance drops and x4 inf. if you need more info then that tell me and il post more. Oh and i forgot all payments are done in PayPal so your credit card info will be saf
Alty Mo: Well I'd need to know who created the code to at least have that person explain it. You have to understand that you're asking me to download a program to my computer from a still unknown source, so while my credit card information might be safe, my computer could still be in danger since I still don't really know much about the people providing this service. I don't mean gamer information, either. Where is the server located...What part of the world? When you do post a video, please show your launcher and your version of the COH environment.
New City of Heroes: The server is one i put together from my parents office. The server it's own Internet in my house. House is located in Randolph New Jersey
Alty Mo: Your parents? How old are you?
New City of Heroes: I'll talk to the person who wrote the code and ill have him explain how it works anymore you need to know?
Alty Mo: I'll have more questions once the person who wrote the code explains how it works and I see the video of the server and environment. Thank you for taking time to answer my questions
Link: http://www.facebook.com/pages/New-City-of-Heroes/376748015741606
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Trust rating: dropping into negatives.
Server software does not connect to itself.
Moreover, he seems to imply his compatriots having server-side code and "recoding" it... not unless it was written in an interpreted language to begin with, and that makes no sense from a performance standpoint.
MMO server on home internet, using a regular desktop machine... Epic lulz. Just epic.
Nobody link them to a copy of the NCSoft Cease & Desist sent to CoHEmu a few years ago. Please don't. This is hilarious.
If they are genuine, they have no bloody idea what they're trying to do.
This is going to crash and burn either way - I'll watch from the sidelines with a bag of popcorn.
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Wasn't there something in Runescape where you could set up a "server?" My wife's cousin kept asking for my help, but he really couldn't answer any of my questions and had lost interest in the game by the time I'd acquired a worthwhile machine.
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How did that page get 21 likes? :P
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My guess is hopefuls.
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How did that page get 21 likes? :P
sock puppets
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I "liked" the page to keep an eye on it.
I do that a lot.
Come the 27th I'll break out the popcorn.
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Unfortunately, 2 of the likes come from Facebook friends of mine :P
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True I "liked" NCsoft just so I can get to their Facebook page faster and check it out. even thought I DESPISE them.
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I'm one, as well, for the same reason downix listed. I will be there with beer and popcorn to see what happens.
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There are a lot of people out there who really love CoH but aren't really plugged into any community that can give decent advice/information - i would guess that they could be tempted into this. I will be doing what i can in the remaining time we have to say that the site should be avoided.
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More than a few things bug me about this...
1) Listed the general vicinity for the server, but on the FB page admitted to having a Canadia website. The really odd thing about this, as was already pointed out there, they would have to request the Canadian website from the get go.
2) Server was put together in this individual's parents' office and is used as the home internet? I don't think they have a good grasp of the technology. This lends me to believe this person is being supplied Q&A material which should definitely be considdered a warning sign.
3) If it was constructed in his parents' office who wrote the code? What code? How? The fact that they have to get back with the answers lends more toward the being fed information portion. In other words, they are getting close to the closure and ready to make a quick grab at whoever they can once the true CoH goes dark.
Here's what will happen if they are a key logger snatcher. They will wait for enough people to log into the subscription server or, the more severe case, they will wait for someone with a deep bank account or steep credit and run. Anyone trusting them better watch anything they have with passwords and their bank accounts/credit card statements. The more I learn about this the more of a red flag raises in my mind.
Someone should serious que Matt and Jesse into this to review it all, but stress they should do it with extreme caution.
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Matt no longer works for NCSoft, and Jessie is just the community manager. Though Jessie might be able to report it to them, which I think needs to be done. If NCSoft had not disabled posts on their Facebook page, I would have done so already.
The information in this thread leads me to believe that a scammer has taken advantage of a kid who wants his game to live on. The kid running it probably believes everyone will be able to play CoH from his parents' machine, and the scammer just wants a keylogger on as many machines as possible before people figure it out. Gamers tend to type in their credit card information, no?
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Ah, yes, gamers. Like old people watching QVC...
Seriously, Matt would still have contacts, and Jessie can get the info to the right place. Since we're talking about jurisdictional issues, though, it's possible that no actual crime has been committed. In some places, just throwing up the website and making false promises is actionable. In most states, if not all (not sure about Canada), money has to be exchanged and no service delivered before any "authority" will do anything. The US FCC might have a hand, here, but they would not do anything before the End of Days, even if we file the complaint tomorrow (Monday).
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For the record, we have absolutely nothing to do with this. If we ever release anything as a result of reverse engineering, it will not have any NCsoft IP in it unless (or until) we acquire it legally.
In the process of rebuilding the world, could you lean on the graphics artists to cut back on the Brutalism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brutalist_architecture) of the buildings? Seriously, someone made a killing with the concrete contract for building Paragon City, and it gave the city far too monotonous of an appearance. The kind of 'grew up over time' variation in styles that the devs did with Imperial City works much better.
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TONY V...on the facebook page, they refer people to the Titan Network website, to obtain the sentinel extractor instructions. ( https://www.facebook.com/pages/New-City-of-Heroes/376748015741606).
Though they don't say they are affiliated with Titan, some people may make that assumption. I posted a comment, stating they should be asking permission if they are going to reference Titan.
Also, no one in their right mind would be doing something so obviously illegal, while boldly announcing that their uncle runs security at the White House. Very disturbing.
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In the process of rebuilding the world, could you lean on the graphics artists to cut back on the Brutalism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brutalist_architecture) of the buildings? Seriously, someone made a killing with the concrete contract for building Paragon City, and it gave the city far too monotonous of an appearance. The kind of 'grew up over time' variation in styles that the devs did with Imperial City works much better.
Titan City will be more elegant and sophisticated ;)
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An elegant game from a more civilized age?
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An elegant game from a more civilized age?
Not as clumsy and random as Le Corbusier?
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While I was playing tonight, people were chatting about the 'New City of Heroes'. Apparently, they have a custom launcher to access their site. Who knows what it really does if you download and run it. I'm guessing nothing good.
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Seems his website's contact page inadverently gives out his real name. Same name, same city: http://www.mylife.com/c-150431356424
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If you click any of the links on the main page, other than the Facebook one, the name comes up at the top of the window, which means it's in the metadata. The website is very amateurish, made from a pretty crappy template. I'm not artistic in any way, but my brother-in-law and wife are both graphic designers, so I know what good looks like. I don't have to tell you that this isn't it.
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Amateurish to say the least. I've done better and I'm a programmer rather than a web designer.
You don't need anything more than a text editor (syntax highlighting optional) and a few easily available tutorials to knock together a simple website within about an hour assuming you don't go for anything fancy. A bit more time-consuming if you use CSS to get better visual appearance, but there are many websites out there providing tutorials or entire stylesheets to use.
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There is also this (http://cityofheroesveterans.com/), which appears to be a link repository.
ION, it's possible someone has contacted the server host for newcityofheroes.net to report possible illegal activity. Not saying who it was, but it's possible that it was me.
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Everyone who wanted to know how we got there server files well heres what we did. The last 3 weeks that COH was online we slowly copied each map file from the game we now have all the server files for the game. The only thing we need too do now would be reprogram the launcher so everyone can play on the server (Dave the programmer)
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Those would be the same map files in mapsCities1.pigg, mapsCities2.pigg, mapsHazards.pigg, mapsMisc.pigg, mapsMissions.pigg, mapsTrials.pigg, stage2.pigg and stage3.pigg, all of which are stored client-side?
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first time i saw this mentioned, it sounded like a complete fallacy, and now after reading more of the details it definitely sounds like a massive scam
wont touch it with a 100 ft pole
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first time i saw this mentioned, it sounded like a complete fallacy, and now after reading more of the details it definitely sounds like a massive scam
wont touch it with a 100 ft pole
It sounds to me like an idiot kid getting taken advantage of by a scammer. Especially with the mention of his parent's office and what not. I feel kinda bad for him. He probably posted something publicly about being sad about the game going down, and someone took advantage. Wonder what his parent's computer is actually being used for now.
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Those would be the same map files in mapsCities1.pigg, mapsCities2.pigg, mapsHazards.pigg, mapsMisc.pigg, mapsMissions.pigg, mapsTrials.pigg, stage2.pigg and stage3.pigg, all of which are stored client-side?
The mind, it boggles. That "explanation" he gives is so clueless that... that... i'm at a loss for words. Just wow.
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And that it's from "his programmer..."
I don't want to say anything on the actual FB page, because it's all so fun to watch.
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Exactly like watching a terrible trainwreck. Someone really ought to make the effort to tell his parents.
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Exactly like watching a terrible trainwreck. Someone really ought to make the effort to tell his parents.
Aren't they too busy protecting the White House?
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That's his uncle.
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This thread is so full of lol. I feel wrong laughing, but laugh I do.
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(https://images.weserv.nl/?url=imgcandy.com%2Fdi-L8YP.jpg)
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Color me very skeptical about this whole thing, but I'll be interested to see what the guy puts out. I have a hard time that it's just a straight-up scam, trying to get people to download a trojan without any kind of back-end setup to sell it as real. But I also have a hard time that they are capable of making a working version of a server. Not that I don't think it's not possible; I'm sure it is. It's just that we've had some of our best folks working on just this thing for months, and they still have a ways to go before they get anywhere near what these folks are hyping. So... like I said, I'm genuinely interested to see exactly what it is they're going to put out and try to sell as "New City of Heroes".
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I have a hard time that it's just a straight-up scam, trying to get people to download a trojan without any kind of back-end setup to sell it as real.
Tony, as part of a job I used to have, I had to deal with guys like this day-in and day-out. If you look at the "topsites lists" (sites that 'rank' other sites of a given category, often offering cash prizes for those who are in the #1 position) for private servers of any game, you will find them loaded, loaded with sites that promise a private server, and yet don't deliver. Some of them don't even have a site - their goal is just to get "in" clicks that immediately 404 or redirect you straight to a "VOTE FOR ME ON X TOPLIST" page.
This smells like an unscrupulous attempt to cash-in on a grieving fanbase desperate for a new home. Until they demonstrate that they have a server up that's verified possible to log in on and play by someone I trust, then I'm calling B.S. on their claims.
If it looks like scam, walks like a scam, and quacks like a scam, it sure ain't a duck.
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I agree something smells rotten with New City of heroes.
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I'm more than half tempted to set my old desktop back up when he finally gets it online. I'd do a clean install of Windows, first, but it still has the CoH folder on it.
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The alleged programmer has no bloody idea what he's talking about.
Alice, the map files are to big to be put in the program! If they were in your Coh file it would be huge (id say about 20 gigs) the only thing kept on your computer is the connection files. You connect to NCsoft who has all the files and they send you them in small amounts.
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Just saw that too, Fifth. That comment right there tells me that have absolutely no idea what they're talking about. 20 gigs, hah!
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I never saw this in the game on Justice server, but then again when I get to playing I don't always pay a lot of attention to chat. Something about chewing bubble gum, and walking at the same time.
Anyway I did not see this in the game, but I have had sveral discussions about this on facebook. Several of us have even reported it to facebook staff that it should not be on facebook.
One individual I know reported them to NCSoft, and told them on the facebook page that they had done so, and got called every name in the book by some individuals who seem to support the effort. These sad individuals are obviously either part of the scam, or are obviously not seeing the obvious signs that this is a scam, even though many of us have warned all over the sight that this is a scam please don't fall for it.
It seriously enrages me that these people would try to take advantage of this community that I love so much.
I think as a whole most of us are way to smart to fall for this. I hope that there are none out there who allow there grief for losing COH to allow them self to throw caution to the wind, and fall for such an obvious scam.
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I reported them to Tucows. It's not their server host, but it is their web host.
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I just did the same. This kind of thing is inexcusable. I heard about this first I think in mid-November, and knew point blank it was a scam. I've had VirtueVerses intentionally made to be crappy reproductions of the internet circa 1998 that looked better and were more convincing than that website. And just one sentence from them makes it clear that this is not a thing that will happen, now or ever.
At least, not from them.
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This is going to crash and burn either way - I'll watch from the sidelines with a bag of popcorn.
Here's your gif for that:
(https://images.weserv.nl/?url=www.corvusonline.net%2Fforum_images%2FJokerPopcorn.gif)
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(https://i.imgur.com/YXnr5.gif)
I was always partial to this one.
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That one is also superb. I didn't have it uploaded though :D
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It's actually better than the first one, because of the semi-troll face expression :P
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Hah! Good point! The King of Pop = The King of Unicorn-Face :D
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There's another sockpuppet throwing itself in support of him.
Took all of five minutes to confirm the suspicion that account is one, can't they do anything right?
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(https://i.imgur.com/e3IFy.jpg)
The only programming I have really done work be making small programs. Computer programming is a skill I picked up after the hours a day I spend on the computer. I've gone to a couple classes about it and know a lot but I don't have any degree or jobs that I've programmed for. This is the biggest job I've ever done for it! (Dave the programmer)
*sound of one hand clapping*
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...too bad we can't plant someone on the inside of this, and bring it down from within...couldn't be that hard, given their obvious ignorance.... :D
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To be honest, I have mixed feelings about it. If it's a scam (which I'm almost 100% certain it is), then yeah, they're scum and they deserve whatever's coming to them. If someone actually managed to get hold of the code base, though (because I don't for a second believe they've managed to reverse engineer and write a server in this short a time frame), then I actually don't care what they do. I'm certainly not going to help NCsoft fight whatever battles they want to fight.
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That was the crux of my dilemma. I don't want to fight NCSoft's battles, but it takes very little effort to call the appropriate authorities on someone trying to take advantage of us.
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That was actually my next idea...link the NCoH fb page to a post on NCSoft's page, then sit back and watch the fireworks! ;)
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...too bad we can't plant someone on the inside of this, and bring it down from within...couldn't be that hard, given their obvious ignorance.... :D
I don't think we need to do anything to bring it down - they seem quite capable of doing it all by themselves :P
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Indeed. I suspect that their own foot is firmly in their gun-sights.
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Another FB user just dug this up. Seems that's "Dave the programmer"'s FB profile.
https://www.facebook.com/david.eschelbacher.7
And now let's take another quote from a while back:
My Brother (17) My uncle (who runs the security on the white house) and me (19)
The FB profile's creator = not a programmer.
The FB profile's creator = 19 years old.
David Eschelbacher = 19 years old.
"Dave the programmer" = David Eschelbacher
"Dave the programmer" = The FB profile's creator and only user. No other person used that FB profile.
"Dave the programmer" = not a programmer.
Time to release the unicorns of war?
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That page disappeared fast. What did we miss?
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??? Everything's still there.
Here's a shot of his profile: http://i.imgur.com/SintK.jpg
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Probably because I don't have a facebook account? Most pages show up there even if I can't comment or anything, but maybe that one is set not to.
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Anyone think Dave the Programmer would be able to get this further down the pipeline if Joe the Plumber cleaned it for him?
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They were spamming CO's COX channel last night... :roll:
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So, do we wait until NCSoft finds this on their own, or do we ring dinner bell for the juggernaut?
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They've already been reported to NCsoft at least half a dozen times.
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So, do we wait until NCSoft finds this on their own, or do we ring dinner bell for the juggernaut?
I seriously wouldn't bother unless and until they actually start taking people's money, at which time it becomes fraud. Until then, as far as I can tell, this isn't some scheme to try to scam people out of money, but most likely someone trolling the CoH community. At this point, I really do think that this is likely one of the old official forum trolls who is trying to prove some misguided point--and failing miserably. If they do start taking people's money, though, I'll be all over this.
Oh, and I highly advise people not to "Like" their page. I know that some people are doing so not because they actually like the page, but because they want to keep tabs on what's going on over there. The problem is that when you "Like" their page, I think it gives them access to some of your personal information, which is a huge no-no. Just manually type it in the search field at the top, it's not that hard to find.
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My impression is that we don't have to tell NCSoftcore anything to cause trouble for this guy. There are plenty of other avenues available, if we do a little research.
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Oh, and I highly advise people not to "Like" their page. I know that some people are doing so not because they actually like the page, but because they want to keep tabs on what's going on over there. The problem is that when you "Like" their page, I think it gives them access to some of your personal information, which is a huge no-no. Just manually type it in the search field at the top, it's not that hard to find.
I run a few Facebook Pages and you don't get any personal information by Liking a page than you would just seeing someone's comments with a link in their name. You get a list of who recently LIKED the page and you get some general overall page stats. Nothing particularly personal unless the person has left their profile open to view everything. But there's no specific information given on individuals who press the LIKE button on pages. You just become a stat with general information not specifically linked to individuals, things like Gender, Age, Country, City State. Things you supply already in your profile.
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I keep my FB locked down as much as possible while still being able to be social. It annoys the pancake out of my wife, because even she can't share things that I post without me going back and loosening the restrictions on a case-by-case basis. I also never use Facebook to log into third party sites, because I have no idea how that will be used by the other site.
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Anyone else notice that they have the best time to reach them as 3-9pm? After school and before bedtime. ;D
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In the process of rebuilding the world, could you lean on the graphics artists to cut back on the Brutalism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brutalist_architecture) of the buildings? Seriously, someone made a killing with the concrete contract for building Paragon City, and it gave the city far too monotonous of an appearance. The kind of 'grew up over time' variation in styles that the devs did with Imperial City works much better.
I always found it oddly homey, but, I grew up amid that style, and have been gone from it for a long time now, so... Ya know, nostalgia and 'good old days' mentality are quite likely very much at play in my case.
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I seriously wouldn't bother unless and until they actually start taking people's money, at which time it becomes fraud. Until then, as far as I can tell, this isn't some scheme to try to scam people out of money, but most likely someone unicorning the CoH community. At this point, I really do think that this is likely one of the old official forum unicorns who is trying to prove some misguided point--and failing miserably. If they do start taking people's money, though, I'll be all over this.
On the other hand, simply existing is use of their IP, and is competition that's making customers busy elsewhere instead of playing their games.
But... I also say don't report them. Is NCSoft is blind enough to not see them, then it'll constitute a proof of not willing to defend their IP, then everything becomes doable for us. Or is it trademarks ?
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Given that they haven't posted any updates on their Facebook page since December 5th, and haven't updated their website either, I'd say it's a problem that's pretty much solved itself already.
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But... I also say don't report them. Is NCSoft is blind enough to not see them, then it'll constitute a proof of not willing to defend their IP, then everything becomes doable for us. Or is it trademarks ?
Trademarks.
Given that they haven't posted any updates on their Facebook page since December 5th, and haven't updated their website either, I'd say it's a problem that's pretty much solved itself already.
Maybe, maybe not. They did move the website to another host sometime after their last posts on FB.
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I seriously wouldn't bother unless and until they actually start taking people's money, at which time it becomes fraud. Until then, as far as I can tell, this isn't some scheme to try to scam people out of money, but most likely someone unicorning the CoH community. At this point, I really do think that this is likely one of the old official forum unicorns who is trying to prove some misguided point--and failing miserably. If they do start taking people's money, though, I'll be all over this.
I would suggest alerting NCSoft anyway. It could be good PR for us to go ahead an alert NCSoft. Such as showing we want to work with them to get the IP released and put back into circulation legally etc.
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It would not be good PR on the account of it not actually changing our position in their eyes. From an IP owner's point of view they're entitled to receive such information, period.
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I would suggest alerting NCSoft anyway. It could be good PR for us to go ahead an alert NCSoft. Such as showing we want to work with them to get the IP released and put back into circulation legally etc.
Someone already tried to alert NCSoft. Whether they paid attention is another matter. I think this was just some kids that thought demo records were real gameplay, then eventually figured out it wasn't what they thought and abandoned the idea. That or they were just trolling. Regardless, they disappeared about a week after shutdown. No further comments from them on the Facebook page.
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To be clear, I wasn't suggesting alerting NCSoft for the sake of them knowing. I could care less what they know or don't know. However, the media should know that "Hey, they had their game taken away, they are still trying to protect by alerting the vile people who took it away, and they aren't going away because they are a good strong community."
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On the other hand, simply existing is use of their IP, and is competition that's making customers busy elsewhere instead of playing their games.
But... I also say don't report them. Is NCSoft is blind enough to not see them, then it'll constitute a proof of not willing to defend their IP, then everything becomes doable for us. Or is it trademarks ?
Mister Bison brings up an interesting scenario....
It's stretching things a bit, but...what if NCoH is all part of some clever(if not poorly executed) plot to bait NCSoft into such a situation...if they take no action, they show they're un-willing/unable to defend the IP...at which point, things hit the fan for them....
*ponders*
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There's always the possibility that the reason they haven't done anything further is because they've gotten a cease and desist from NCSOFT, or otherwise got caught with their hand in someone's till.
Sometimes it's simple best to leave such things alone and move on.
IF they raise their heads again, well, then... that's another matter.
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I think it's more likely that NCsoft either doesn't know, or doesn't care.
They're pretty stretched thin nowadays. Actively going after IP violators for a game they just killed is probably pretty low on their priorities.
Now, if folks who get scammed by these guys then started complaining to NCsoft, then they would probably start to care.
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I don't think there was a cease and desist. Simply, both their website and Facebook page are infringing on NCsoft's trademarks starting with the page and domain names and extending to use of copyrighted logo designs and other associated imagery.
Any cease and desist would have to include termination or turning over the domain and the FB page - since the latter would be requiring more effort from NCsoft, termination is a given.
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There's always the possibility that the reason they haven't done anything further is because they've gotten a cease and desist from NCSOFT, or otherwise got caught with their hand in someone's till.
Sometimes it's simple best to leave such things alone and move on.
IF they raise their heads again, well, then... that's another matter.
The only reason that I doubt this to be the case is because the website is still up. With all of the trademarked material presented there, it seems like it would be part of any C&D. But, IANAL.
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I Am Not A Lawyer or not, that would be a fact. It's not even a tribute, but a blatant attempt to get money for a product they do not own.
That website is just a mess too. I wouldn't play it if THEY paid ME.
/Well... unless maybe others said it rocked so hard... but I kinda doubt that.
//The acronym is just... wrong, people. I can't look at it and not see something else. :p
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New city of heroes servers were redone.
Everything you read from our old server description disregard. We will have one server.
This server will be free to play to anyone who wants to join but for anyone who wants a little extra when you donate to us we will give you:re redone. Everything you read from our old server description disregard. We will have one server.
This server will be free to play to anyone who wants to join but for anyone who wants a little extra when you donate to us we will give you:
Double Experience
Extra chance of getting rare or extra rare enhancement recipes
Double Influence and prestige for you and your Super Group
Extra chance of getting better inspirations.
Website crap, description crap and those bonuses are sort of pay2win O.o.
This makes NO SENSE AT ALL!
CoH is 85% story, 14% leveling and 1% grind O.o. Well at least in my eyes.
But still....who needs double experience? It's useful to raise some toons, but not for a main.
Who needs double inf/prestige? If you have a Vet-Char there shouldn't be any problem O.o.
Who needs an extra chance of getting better inspis? The most common drop in the whole game XD.
Yeah...donate to them....like 20 bucks....sorry I ment bugs.
And no further development?
Lemme guess: a server rip and the people behind it might have actual no clue what they are doing there.
Don't get me wrong! I am actually the first one who screams YEAH! for such a project if some conditions are met:
The whole project is about learning - understand systems, code, extend code and so on.
The whole project is open source - everyone can profit from it (in a not financial way of course)!
The whole project is free - no donation crap. If you want to do something you can do it without asking the people for money!
I know that a server costs money, BUT overall they should do it for their own sake, and not ripping off the community.
In my whole life, even if worked on bigger projects likes l2j, coad, dawn of light, swgemu, AOCell and so on, I have never took any form of value more than a thank you. I did that just on the purpose of learning, so no need to ripping people off.
Yeah, I could really begin to puke when I see such crap :(.
Not because it is BS what they are doing, because someone who comes across might think the whole scene is this way.
Less community = less people to work with :/. And that's what it's all about in the end :(
In terms of legal:
It really depends on where you live. The IP belongs to it's owner, that's something wich is the same, not matter where you live.
But here in germany such development is a greyzone in law.
You are allowed to create such a server by yourself.
You are allowed to have a client wich can communicate with the server (CoH in this case).
You are NOT allowed to modify the third party client, cause IP, code and so on belong to their respective owner.
How can you run it then? Simple: You are allowed to modify your local system. In Windows it would mean your Host file, or just redirect the connection by a third party tool.
But you are NOT allowed to run such a server for the public, except for testing purposes. On your local system you are allowed to run nearly everything you want ;).
127.0.0.1 is you friend in this case :)
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I still haven't ruled out the possibility that this was just a glorified forum troll. There's still a part of me that believes that someone set this site and Facebook page under the misguided intention of suckering in a bunch of those poor saps who have such high false hopes in the Save CoH and/or Plan Z people to save or create a successor to City of Heroes. After they'd strung everyone along for a while with promises of undying loyalty and dedication, they'd wrap things up with a post that boils down to, "HA HA! I NEW UR SO DUM!!!"
But that what happened in actuality is that no one fell for it. There were no oaths of undying loyalty; in fact, there was open hostility to what was at best an extraordinarily highly unlikely claim, causing the attempted troll to fall flat on its face. It turns out that those poor saps with high false hopes aren't as gullible as the troll would believe them to be. (Of course, such a troll would never make the leap from there to those poor saps actually being perfectly rational people who understand that there's a real possibility of the legacy of City of Heroes being preserved...)
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Well, from the look of that FB page at least a few genuine people did believe it was real but didn't stick around. :p
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Well, from the look of that FB page at least a few genuine people did believe it was real but didn't stick around. :p
Well....
David Eschelbacher
Lives in Randolph, New Jersey
Born on 29. July 1993
Male
He has to be a very dedicated dev when he is the actual developer XD
Also:
He was collecting data for about 3 weeks.
Well dunno what he was gathering, but it wasn't the actual data he wanted. That's for sure.
First of all: packetsniffing takes ALOT of time. Nothing you do in just three weeks ;).
Enough said! Case closed!
As the mythbuster woulds say "HOAX DESTROYED!" (or whatleast they say in a non translated version ;))
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Really? They say "Hoax Destroyed?" Is it dubbed or subtitled? (No bearing on anything; I'm just always curious how things play in other countries.)
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Really? They say "Hoax Destroyed?" Is it dubbed or subtitled? (No bearing on anything; I'm just always curious how things play in other countries.)
Well, here in germany it is dubbed. When the dudes talk, say mostly translate it with "hoax destroyed" or "myth busted".
Also the sign says "Busted". So I guess "myth busted" would be correct :).