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Graveyard => Save Paragon Retirees => Save Paragon City! => Topic started by: Surelle on December 17, 2012, 11:34:33 PM
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Hey, I just saw this hands-on preview of a Marvel-based, Diablo-style online game on Massively.com. Eliot wrote it; he's the author of CoH's long-running "A Mild-Mannered Reporter" column there.
.joystiq.com/2012/12/17/first-impressions-marvel-heroes-isnt-a-heroic-marvel/
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It is. Someone posted another review, possibly on the Community board, with a similar level of disappointment.
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Hey, I just saw this hands-on preview of a Marvel-based, Diablo-style online game on Massively.com. Eliot wrote it; he's the author of CoH's long-running "A Mild-Mannered Reporter" column there.
.joystiq.com/2012/12/17/first-impressions-marvel-heroes-isnt-a-heroic-marvel/
Hmmm. This is not a favorable review - and it's a fairly long and detailed unfavorable review of their new superhero game. Hey, Disney, I have an idea on how to fix this situation for you... :)
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I don't know much about the Disney acquisition of Marvel, but Gazillion appears to be their own studio, though they are kind of a one trick pony. Their only other game is built around Marvel's Super Hero Squad. However they got the IP, it looks like it'll take a little digging to see just how much Disney is, or even wants to be, involved with Diablo: Spandex Edition.
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Yup. With every new bit of news that comes out about this upcoming Marvel "MMO", the less interest I have in it.
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Saw the preview at nyccomicon in October. They only want to promote Marvel properties (i.e. characters) and did a fair amount of trashing player created content. After the 15 minute presentation they opened for Q&A and at least have the audience left. The game is a point and shoot and "first to have flying characters that shoot powers". I am sure it will find its niche in the market, just not on my hard drive or the 5 coh players I was with.
I do not think disney will pan out. They are most likely directing marvel to push their names, their characters, their products and images above all else.
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Trashed player-created-content huh?
To heck with em, then.
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I never thought to dream that this new Marvel game from Disney had the potential to help us so much. The worse it fares in the MMO marketplace, the better we will look as an alternative.
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I wonder how it compares to Marvel Alliance or X-Men Legends 2 (both of which are Diablo-esque Marvel games I enjoyed playing on Xbox 360 and PSP respectively)?
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I never thought to dream that this new Marvel game from Disney had the potential to help us so much. The worse it fares in the MMO marketplace, the better we will look as an alternative.
Hypothetically, it could indeed.
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I would also like to say that I was willing to stand in a line and pee down my leg fugratively and literally to see this on the heals of COH's announcement. I LOVE Marvel (DC Too), but really had my stomach kicked and heart torn out at the presentation.
You cannot even make costumes. You can play Yellow Outfit Wolverine, Grey Outfit Wolverine or Brown Outfit Wolverine along side a Green Hulk, Red Hulk or a Grey Mr Fixit Hulk. You cannot change the powers as I could tell, but each character had a one-of-a-kind power unique to that character.
I SO wanted to love this game and have a rebound but... no. I fear the game will be a team of 4-6 players all with shades of grey/green hulks doing the same kicks and punches. Again, this may be someone else's fun time, but it just does not sound like COH fun to me or what I think about with other COH like minded people.
In a balanced obersvation I should share what I did like: they said there would be dynamic maps for every time a missions was launched (how?? and awesome!!) and there were recognizeable terrains/landmarks from Marvel lore.
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Off-topic, please tell me your screen name is a Strongbad reference! ;D
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It does sound a lot like an mmo version of Ultimate Alliance...a good game, but by no means immersive.
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That game is really meant to attract another type of gamer. The guys that like making all the spiderman and wolverine clones you see in Champions Online and CoX and fans of the marvel franchise. But it won't hold them as long as a game like CoX would. They'll play it a couple times a week before eventually returning to ps3 and xbox360.
I don't know how to they expect to make money on it if its going to be free to play.
No reason to buy costume slots, respecs, character names, character slots.
The only thing they could really sell is additional marvel character unlocks, inventory space or charge you a 30 - 50$ fee for game expansions like wow does. But that would have to be a pretty nice update and would have to be more than once every 1 - 3 years to make profit. Guess we'll see in the beta.
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I'm... conflicted. On one hand, I hate seeing someone's honest effort sink below their expectations and investment. On the other hand, I feel like i should feel happy because it makes CoH look better in comparison. So I don't know how to feel about this.
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I wouldn't expect Disney ever to market something that isn't pretty much infantilized.
The corporation may have made their bones on "imagineering" but when it comes to marketing they are single-minded. Where there's no hope of appealing to the mothers of toddlers and pre-teens they won't bother. That's their market-segment and they're damn good at milking it.
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That's not completely accurate, but it does account for the majority of their marketing and market share.
I'm not usually one to pile on the hate, but I'm not at all interested in the success of this. Nothing that I have seen in electronic gaming with Marvel's name attached to it has impressed me. I'm also a little bitter with how they instigated their lawsuit against Cryptic, if the reports of it being as a result of Marvel employees going in and deliberately creating toons to look like copyrighted characters is accurate.
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Granted, their are a couple other ways that corporation knows how to open wallets, but I don't want to go that negative against them atm. I prefer to let the long-shot effort run its course for good or ill.
As to the Marvel lawsuit, yeah that was a company headed for bankruptcy desperately looking for someone to rob to save themselves. Nothing in that is worthy of respect. It has never ceased to amuse me that my first ever character in CoH was a straight up marvel rip-off and yet no one noticed or cared because it was an old enough character with a generic enough name that it would have been hard to claim any rights.
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I'm also a little bitter with how they instigated their lawsuit against Cryptic, if the reports of it being as a result of Marvel employees going in and deliberately creating toons to look like copyrighted characters is accurate.
I had never heard that, but nor does it shock me. Still, if that's what happened, that makes the whole exercise a fishing-expedition, and rather reprehensible.
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I can't say I'm surprised it's getting poor reviews. Historically, video games based on existing franchises have never been very high quality. Good ones happen too of course, but more often than not games based on movies or comics or other forms of media are just a bald-faced grab at merchandising money. It used to be lunchboxes and board games, and these days it's ringtones and video games, but the principle's the same.
The core of the problem is, people with no clue how to make a good game get to have major input on making a game. Plus, to get the returns they're after, it has to be created on an unrealistic timeline so it coincides with the release of the original product. Quality-wise this is a recipe for disaster; and they're probably well aware of that fact, but they do it anyway because they expect people to act like people and buy things just because it has a likeable name on the cover.
I do feel bad for those developers whose talent and effort won't get recognized. On the bright side though, even crappy games provide paychecks for a while.
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I wouldn't expect Disney ever to market something that isn't pretty much infantilized.
The corporation may have made their bones on "imagineering" but when it comes to marketing they are single-minded. Where there's no hope of appealing to the mothers of toddlers and pre-teens they won't bother. That's their market-segment and they're damn good at milking it.
I wouldn't bet on that - Disney has a lot of fingers in a lot of pies, and they don't always slap the mouse logo on everything. For example, Kill Bill was made while Disney owned Miramax. I doubt they'd market CoH as rated E, given the skimpiness of some of the costumes {not that Pocahontas' design didn't skirt the line {no pun regretted}}, but they're diversified enough to market it as something.
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I'm also a little bitter with how they instigated their lawsuit against Cryptic, if the reports of it being as a result of Marvel employees going in and deliberately creating toons to look like copyrighted characters is accurate.
This is less reprehensible than you might think. They didn't do it deceptively; they were making the case that it could be done, so they proceeded to demonstrate it.
If your argument is, "You've provided all the tools necessary for the average grade-schooler to build an atomic bomb in your new toy," it's not disingenuous to grab a few average grade-schoolers and have them build atomic bombs with the tool kit to demonstrate the point. (I'm not doing moral equivalence, here; just making a grossly exaggerated case-in-point. To Marvel, the threat that "xxxWolverineXXX" would threaten their trademark was sufficiently bad to sue over, so they had to demonstrate that it was possible to make xxxWolverineXXX in CoH to make their case that the danger was real.
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This is less reprehensible than you might think. They didn't do it deceptively; they were making the case that it could be done, so they proceeded to demonstrate it.
I know that. In order to make a successful case, you have to have evidence.
I still don't like it.
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I happened to catch a live demo on twitchtv yesterday. I watched for a few seconds. The dev said 'all stats are random but you can control which costume they are wearing and that's very important to me.' HUH??? WHA??? THAT"S what's important to you?? Game is failing before it even goes live!.
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All stats are random...what??
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Oooo it's GS3 all over again.
You'll have to spend a few hours rolling characters until you get the stat combo you want.
I have ~25 year old games requiring a dos emulator to run that sound like more fun.
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I'm not looking to pile on any hate, as I don't have an axe to grind about anything from the past, but...
This game has 0.001 appeal to me (I like seeing well rendered characters, but I can just browse the images and be done with that, so...).
Honestly, this is just my personal preference and bias, I never seem to be able to enjoy the Diablo style of games. I can't think of a one that I have.
Even Baldurs Gate and Neverwinter Nights and such just never worked for me. I never felt connected to it or alive within it. Not sure if it is as simple as the camera angle or if it is the controls or a combination or what.
Hm, I'm not sure how much this fits, but I did enjoy playing Guantlet: Dark Legacy (with my wife and my brother, together in the same room, yapping, laughing and having fun). I played Marvel Ultimate Alliance a handful of times, but didn't really enjoy that one anywhere near as much.
I'm not sure that such a style of game works for me for the super hero genre. I want to feel that beat'em up action (plus use stranger powers to handle situations a bit differently) and I can't imagine getting that feeling through that style of game. I could certainly be wrong, so take all of that with a grain of salt (and some cherries and licorice and I think I have a few cashews here too)...
I also have to agree with the sentiment that a Marvel "mmo" just begs for that deeper level of immersion - that virtual reality of living within the world and all of the realities that go along with being a super hero (and/or a freak) there.
While I don't begrudge anyone for wanting to make a more simple game and provide a team-up game of this sort - I do see it as a cop-out compared to tackling a much more grand endeavor.
Then again, in their defense, the perfect game for all of that was already in existence... and who thought that'd end any time soon?
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Then again, in their defense, the perfect game for all of that was already in existence... and who thought that'd end any time soon?
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Realistically, though, I don't think it's that they avoided copying CoH because it was around; I think they instead focused on copying Diablo III because it's the best-selling PC game ever.
Even Diablo III looks to have a lot more to it than this thing, though. Ick. I'm kind of glad this whole Disney thing didn't pan out. Their games aren't knocking me dead. I think CoH has way too much to it to fit in there.
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I think they instead focused on copying Diablo III because it's the best-selling PC game ever.
When will people learn that copying the best selling game will at best make you a third rate game?
Ugh.
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Hmmm. This is not a favorable review - and it's a fairly long and detailed unfavorable review of their new superhero game. Hey, Disney, I have an idea on how to fix this situation for you... :)
This forum really needs the typical facebook like button :D.
Well, I read about it, I saw pics about it, I forgot the so called mmorpg of marvel ;).
Anything else to say?
Guess not :)
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With all the talk of the Marvel litigation, is anyone else suspicious about the timing of the CoH closure?
[/conspiracy mode]
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This game is aimed more at the DCUO crowd than the MMO crowd.
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This game is aimed more at the DCUO crowd than the MMO crowd.
And that's not saying much. :P
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Hmmm. This is not a favorable review - and it's a fairly long and detailed unfavorable review of their new superhero game. Hey, Disney, I have an idea on how to fix this situation for you... :)
THIS! ;D
When I first got wind of this game I was intrigued by it. I had no problem with it being Diablo III style; that would be an interesting change for an MMO.
But then they mentioned that you choose from a list of the known Marvel characters, and they explicitly stated that you do not create your own character.
Yeah.... /ignore.
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Realistically, though, I don't think it's that they avoided copying CoH because it was around; I think they instead focused on copying Diablo III because it's the best-selling PC game ever.
Even Diablo III looks to have a lot more to it than this thing, though. Ick. I'm kind of glad this whole Disney thing didn't pan out. Their games aren't knocking me dead. I think CoH has way too much to it to fit in there.
You do realize the guy doing this was THE lead on Diablo one and two? He and blizzard could no long come eye to eye so he left when they used HIS engine for 3
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I'm kind of glad this whole Disney thing didn't pan out. Their games aren't knocking me dead. I think CoH has way too much to it to fit in there.
Realistically, the Disney thing is just barely off the starting blocks. I have said MANY times we don't expect to hear ANYTHING out of them until, at MINIMUM, the first week in January.
I realize people want instant answers and instant gratification, but this is like looking at a fertile chicken egg for a week, saying, "naw, not gonna hatch," and pulling it out of the incubator.
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So... this whole expansion of the sun thing... it's never gonna happen, is it... ;D
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i definitely dont see that game flying with the mmo crowd, purely random stats regardless of what character your using is an awful thing, because you could theoretically just keep rolling characters until you get uber lucky and get one with all max stats starting
no way i would try this, and if the game flops because its unpopular due to the mechanics thats when you blame the devs for poor design
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no way i would try this, and if the game flops because its unpopular due to the mechanics thats when you blame the devs for poor design
You say that like it's a bad thing. :)
The worse it is, the better for us. Seriously, the more I read about this game, the better we look by comparison.
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You say that like it's a bad thing. :)
The worse it is, the better for us. Seriously, the more I read about this game, the better we look by comparison.
oh i totally agree, the villain in me is rubbing hands menacingly plotting lol
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Realistically, the Disney thing is just barely off the starting blocks. I have said MANY times we don't expect to hear ANYTHING out of them until, at MINIMUM, the first week in January.
I realize people want instant answers and instant gratification, but this is like looking at a fertile chicken egg for a week, saying, "naw, not gonna hatch," and pulling it out of the incubator.
I think part of the impatience is because of Disney's recent purchases - even though the Marvel and Star Wars deals would have taken months of planning and negotiation, they were very much under the radar until the announcements were made, which created an impression of Disney making "instant" purchases.
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I think part of the impatience is because of Disney's recent purchases - even though the Marvel and Star Wars deals would have taken months of planning and negotiation, they were very much under the radar until the announcements were made, which created an impression of Disney making "instant" purchases.
That is very possibly true, heh.
Also, I wouldn't mind seeing this in our future:
(https://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k248/ygmypay/GGMM_zpsed197058.jpg)
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I think it's also the thought that the sooner the better, and throwing all of our eggs at the same wall may not be effective if that all lacks sufficient texture to stop them from sliding down.
I think I got the metaphor there wrong again.
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I still say the best Golden Girl avatar was one that GG didn't even use. bAss_ackwards and his vandalized GG icon always gave me a chuckle.
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I think it's also the thought that the sooner the better, and throwing all of our eggs at the same wall may not be effective if that all lacks sufficient texture to stop them from sliding down.
I think I got the metaphor there wrong again.
That wasn't a mixed metaphor, that was scrambled.
/em rimshot
We need to NOT "disrespect" the biggest players in the game by scattershotting the pitch. We need to respect their gravitas by giving them right of first refusal, and the time to ponder. We also need to NOT start a bidding war. That would be bad, as it could lead to "buyer's remorse," or to seeing CoH as nothing but a cash cow to monetize the heck out of.