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Re: City of Heroes Sunset FAQ
« Reply #20 on: September 27, 2012, 12:55:07 AM »
Paranoid much?
Gonna respond to this one too.  Even if it is paranoia, it can't hurt to think about it.  Take each overwhelmingly negative or troll-worthy post with an extra grain of salt.  It won't kill you.

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Re: City of Heroes Sunset FAQ
« Reply #21 on: September 27, 2012, 12:59:29 AM »
Remember, everyone:  Win, lose, or draw, NCsoft is parting ways with the game.  That means zeroing out the balance sheets, shutting off servers, and closing everyone's CoH account by the time this all said and done.  Even in the perfect scenario of someone else coming along and picking the game back up, buying up the existing server equipment and turning it back, and no loss of data, we'll still have to go through the entertainment of at least a brief down time where they set up their own billing and accounting and tie everything into the login servers before the game is up and running again.

Nothing NCsoft does to our accounts regarding refunds or shutting us out on Nov. 30 is unexpected.  We're fighting to bring the game back up after NCsoft leaves the room.
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Re: City of Heroes Sunset FAQ
« Reply #22 on: September 27, 2012, 01:01:29 AM »
Pretty much "immediate."  Zwill was fired immediately after posting the "Buy Devs a Dinner" stuff on the Facebook page, for instance.

I think we are at the least making the lives of the people in their PR firm living hell. 

Also: PEOPLE, WATCH OUT FOR MOLES.  Now will be the time for NCSoft or the PR firm to register someone(s) here and start demoralizing and divisive tactics.  We're clearly having an effect.  They are clearly going to want us to go away.  A fast way to do that is to dis-unite us, it's a tactic that goes all the way back to the first union organizers.  If you suspect a mole, report it to the mods.  If you get someone starting fights or negativity in a thread you started, nuke the posts.

I keep getting spam mail telling me I can get moles removed painlessly and invisibly (does that mean you can still... oh never mind)

Good point. It's not paranoid to be on your guard against any skulduggery that the management may wish to inflict.

of course if they are trying to flog the IP to somebody new, then thy want a vibrant community! "look how good those guys at Titan are - they're gonna turn that game to gold for you Mr Potential Purchaster"

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Re: City of Heroes Sunset FAQ
« Reply #23 on: September 27, 2012, 01:19:42 AM »
Definitely not a paranoid suggestion. Whether or not they will be engaging in this tactic, we don't know, but it is absolutely a common tactic (and one very easily done).
Hey, maybe Angry_Citizen has been contracted to help pay for his schooling.

Speaking of which (and I kid about A-C, hehe, totally not focusing on an individual right now), we really do need to be mindful of the trolls and dissenters.
It only takes one of them (and we have one or two main ones on the official forums... hey, it is true) that really are dragging down threads left and right.

We need to respond to each other on the main forums and ignore and/or casually dismiss the trolling.
I just saw one post that was simply a positive rah rah and... unfortunately, it was replied to by dissenters first and the OP felt left on his own against them and gave up. We need to try and chime in and support each other and really do our best to simply not even acknowledge the trollish posts that continue to drag things down over there.
It's always been true... the negative posts get the most attention, but I think we should possibly focus on stopping that trend for now and give our attention to the positive.

I think, most often, we want to prove the negative comments wrong, so that they don't influence other people who may not know better and/or are on the fence about how they feel.
However, by ignoring them and rebounding and replying off of each other, we bury the negativity instead of polarizing it.

Just my opinions on something I've been seeing regarding morale.



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Re: City of Heroes Sunset FAQ
« Reply #24 on: September 27, 2012, 01:32:24 AM »
No. We're not done until we're told negotiations are over, a Kickstarter (or equivalent) fails, and the emulator folks give up. Keep fighting.

Also, has anyone looked at the frequency of gaming media coverage just prior to one of their demoralizing "Sunset" announcements?

Are there still negotiations going on? I figured since they are going through with the sunset, that the negotiations went sour.

Is there a specific thread on the site that'll have the most uptodate info on selling negotiations? Trying to get the most up to date info is a pain and it really doesn't look like much was happening but maybe that's my lack of forum browsing skill.

It would be awesome if someone could do a weekly report or update. A newsletter or something to make sure everyone knows the fight is still going. Or a weekly thread/post with whatever updates on how things are going on each front... at least as much info as is allowed to be shared.

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Re: City of Heroes Sunset FAQ
« Reply #25 on: September 27, 2012, 01:32:54 AM »
Paranoid much?

Harry Dresden said it best. "Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean an invisible demon isn't about to claw your face off."
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Re: City of Heroes Sunset FAQ
« Reply #26 on: September 27, 2012, 01:45:07 AM »
It is known that NCSoft will not be continuing to publish the game. As a result, they need to continue through the sunset (Have I mentioned I really despise calling it that? Call it what it is... a shutdown.) process. They have to clear things off their books, even if they sell the IP.

Nothing is set yet.  We're still fighting.  It's not over.

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Re: City of Heroes Sunset FAQ
« Reply #27 on: September 27, 2012, 01:47:40 AM »
Remember folks. WILD DOGS AND PRY BARS couldn't rip us out of this City. STAND FIRM. STAND TALL.


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Re: City of Heroes Sunset FAQ
« Reply #28 on: September 27, 2012, 01:52:57 AM »
They'll quickly learn that we'll be sticking around now and after November 30th. You know they're lurking around here too.

Also Drake... *pokes and points to "My Messages"*  :P
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Re: City of Heroes Sunset FAQ
« Reply #29 on: September 27, 2012, 02:20:47 AM »
(Have I mentioned I really despise calling it that? Call it what it is... a shutdown.)

"Sunset" does smack of being a focus-group selected euphemism. Maybe we should call it a "shutdown," even if it saddens us to do so.
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Re: City of Heroes Sunset FAQ
« Reply #30 on: September 27, 2012, 02:22:27 AM »
"Sunset" does smack of being a focus-group selected euphemism. Maybe we should call it a "shutdown," even if it saddens us to do so.

I'm calling it a vacation. Because she'll be back. If I have to dig her up from the grave by hand. >.>
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Re: City of Heroes Sunset FAQ
« Reply #31 on: September 27, 2012, 03:21:11 AM »
It is known that NCSoft will not be continuing to publish the game. As a result, they need to continue through the sunset (Have I mentioned I really despise calling it that? Call it what it is... a shutdown.) process. They have to clear things off their books, even if they sell the IP.

Nothing is set yet.  We're still fighting.  It's not over.

So for sure all our characters, our progress, our bases, all of it, gone? No matter what? And we will be without CoH for some unknown amount of time, after the shutdown and waiting and fighting to see if someone buys it and then however long it takes them to set it up, just to start all over again?

I'm hoping that if the IP is sold, all the server and account info is saved. If not, I'm probably personally gonna root for them releasing the game info and putting private servers together where we could technically "hack" it so everyone's characters are recreated. But who knows I guess, I'll continue to wait and see. Or do we have some answers on what happens if this and if that?

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Re: City of Heroes Sunset FAQ
« Reply #32 on: September 27, 2012, 03:58:20 AM »
So for sure all our characters, our progress, our bases, all of it, gone? No matter what? And we will be without CoH for some unknown amount of time, after the shutdown and waiting and fighting to see if someone buys it and then however long it takes them to set it up, just to start all over again?

I'm hoping that if the IP is sold, all the server and account info is saved. If not, I'm probably personally gonna root for them releasing the game info and putting private servers together where we could technically "hack" it so everyone's characters are recreated. But who knows I guess, I'll continue to wait and see. Or do we have some answers on what happens if this and if that?
No, no. Zero answers for any of that as of this point in time.
Nothing that has happened means that the character/server database would not be transferred. I'd imagine that'd be a pretty big point of contention for any potential buyers. Losing that would lower the value, I'm sure. Would you want to buy an old title that lost all of its customer's stuff?
I'm not saying that won't happen, but it is certainly not indicated that this would be the case at this point.
Anyway... I'm babbling... No, none of that has been determined at all.

All that we know is that there are still talks/negotiations. There is absolutely still hope that the whole shebang can be bought and sold and freed from NCSoft and all that jazz.

The only known thing is that NCSoft will not continue to carry CoH and is ending their hosting of it on November 30th. Everything and anything else beyond that is still unknown and up in the air.
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Re: City of Heroes Sunset FAQ
« Reply #33 on: September 27, 2012, 04:08:09 AM »
Pretty much "immediate."  Zwill was fired immediately after posting the "Buy Devs a Dinner" stuff on the Facebook page, for instance.

I think we are at the least making the lives of the people in their PR firm living hell. 

Also: PEOPLE, WATCH OUT FOR MOLES.  Now will be the time for NCSoft or the PR firm to register someone(s) here and start demoralizing and divisive tactics.  We're clearly having an effect.  They are clearly going to want us to go away.  A fast way to do that is to dis-unite us, it's a tactic that goes all the way back to the first union organizers.  If you suspect a mole, report it to the mods.  If you get someone starting fights or negativity in a thread you started, nuke the posts.

Moles? Really?

Well... that could certainly explain the troller on Virtue that kept talking up how great GW2 is.

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Re: City of Heroes Sunset FAQ
« Reply #34 on: September 27, 2012, 07:34:43 AM »
Just an update. I got a refund today through paypal. I blinked. As I had subscribed before the dates they gave for the cut-off. Admittedly it's less than I paid since they decided that I needed to pay the dollar to pound conversion rate (cheapskates) but still.

Ah well. Money can go to something else at the moment.

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Re: City of Heroes Sunset FAQ
« Reply #35 on: September 27, 2012, 08:58:24 AM »
"Sunset" does smack of being a focus-group selected euphemism. Maybe we should call it a "shutdown," even if it saddens us to do so.

I'm going with "death throes". Still hoping the paramedics are on their way, though.

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Re: City of Heroes Sunset FAQ
« Reply #36 on: September 27, 2012, 11:15:31 AM »
Sunset for NCSoft.

Potential for Sunrise for Paragon Studios or possibly more likely a hitherto undisclosed third party.

I don't think this really tells us anything we didn't already know.