So what I'm understanding here is that I should get my Mids build ready to import into the new game. ;)
Thank you, Tony, for your constant due diligence for the community.I agree with this whole heartily, and thank you Tony, I want to go home that I have to sometimes step back time to time and think of something else (thanks to college :) ).
I'm with you. Discretion is the better part of valor. If we mess with Hail Mary, or even worse, if we make NCSoft not want to play ball, then all of this hope is for nothing.
I'm keeping my hopes unrealistically high because I can't help it. CoH, Paragon, all of that means a lot to me, and the hope that this is another step towards going back Home is making a very stressful time feel welll... both more stressful, but also like I don't need to count on just one thing working out.
I know if I was on Hail Mary I'd keep abreast of this forum, if from a distance, but if you could pass on a heartfelt thanks from all of us here for ya know, puttin up with the stress of this sort of thing and doing their best to get our game back, I know we'd all appreciate it :)
Do you really want to hear this from me, who can only tell you that we don't know what the announcement will be... ?
Edit: I think herding cats is preferable than dealing with facebook bad apples.
So basically what TonyV is saying is that January 6, 2015 is the official relaunch date for CoH?
That's what I got from his post.
:)
(Putting in my vacation request right now)
I am pretty sure team Hail Mary has advised NCSoft they are going to announce themselves on Monday and NCSoft agreed to such a thing because they are impressed with what they have seen and are wanting to move forward.
To be fair, I don't think its bad apples so much as over eager apples. And we can all appreciate eagerness at this point :)
You're not alone, Robert kinda pissed me off too.
"Like, dude. Shut the hell up until things are finalized. You can only do harm."
Oh, and....what the heck do people mean by Mids? :P
that must be a joke..
Its just makes zero sense to me for the team to announce anything until they have a final position of yes we have a deal or no we dont.. what is the purpose for the revelation prior to a conclusion..
No offense to anyone on the team who might be reading.. I just dont see the point..
Tony you said: "I've also told some of the admins here on the Titan Network because some of them are in a unique position to be able to help out".Does this mean they will be beta testers?:)
People can't possibly be talking about character building and enhancement planning when the game isn't even bought or reverse engineered..... It could easily be a year if ever.... ?
I have a friend who was devastated by the shutdown, and I'm not saying one word about these efforts-- or any efforts-- until we get a positive answer, so I well understand Tony's caution.Agreed. To the extent that i've been posting in any other media for the last couple of months it's been to urge caution and emphasize that while a deal is being worked on it's not finalized and there is no set date for when it will succeed or fail; the deal will conclude one way or the other whenever the negotiations are done no matter how long that takes and only those actually involved in the negotiations know exactly how it's going.
I don't quite know why, but I feel a bit less hopeful now than I have in the past. Maybe it's because there have been so many leaks recently.
Still, even if this one doesn't work, at least we know NcSoft is willing to sell the game and we have a better idea of what the buyers might wind up with.
People can't possibly be talking about character building and enhancement planning
Earth sucks you know! It sucks!!!
TonyV, you are the voice of reason... which kinda sucks.
They should ignore the blabbing mouths, not feed them any further, and do what they're doing behind closed doors for as long as it takes.
Yup. Should have been this way from the get go.exactly, let the team or NcSoft announce it, that is why I am not hurt if Wolf does not share any info now. I would rather let the team do what they need to. To get our home back :)
I know that we all don't know everything that has been going on. I can tell you however Robert has been talking to the team for a long time. He was not 100% sure they were the people making the effort but he had a VERY strong guess.I respect what you have been doing and saying. Question did that include saying Monday we will get some kind of information? To me this is what is hanging me up.
Now he had the permisson from the team to make his Facebook post and he is in fact talking to the team as I type this.
This came out different from what I planned - but it wasn't my place to plan it. Once word is out all this will be water under the bridge and now Robert got to wear my shoes for a day and he understands how strongly our players love this game. The more fierce the attack - the more love for the game. I am asking that you not pillory Robert as he is doing his best as I was distracted these past few weeks and likely should have been more on top of things.
I just have to ask we not drive wedges into the very community we have fought to hold together.
I respect what you have been doing and saying. Question did that include saying Monday we will get some kind of information? To me this is what is hanging me up.
Yes, emphatically. Robert may have phrased something poorly - but he was asked to relate his information. I dropped the ball for a few days and I know you would like to have heard it from me - but again I was preoccupied.its cool, thank you for clearing this up for me. And I understand why you were preoccupied, rl takes precedence :)
Yes, emphatically. Robert may have phrased something poorly - but he was asked to relate his information. I dropped the ball for a few days and I know you would like to have heard it from me - but again I was preoccupied.
So was his Monday information accurate regarding some news coming ?? and I am NOT speculating on what that news would be.. just that it would be... news...
Yes, emphatically. Robert may have phrased something poorly - but he was asked to relate his information. I dropped the ball for a few days and I know you would like to have heard it from me - but again I was preoccupied.
Tony you said: "I've also told some of the admins here on the Titan Network because some of them are in a unique position to be able to help out." Does this mean they will be beta testers?:)
Didn't Tony confirm in his post that there WILL be major news on Monday?
Yes, emphatically. Robert may have phrased something poorly - but he was asked to relate his information.
Tony you said: "I've also told some of the admins here on the Titan Network because some of them are in a unique position to be able to help out".Does this mean they will be beta testers?:)
Maybe it's their server hardware knowledge that can help.
It depends on how you define "major news". The only thing that I'm relatively sure of is that they plan on letting everyone know who they are. To me, this isn't particularly earth-shattering, but you know, enh. It is possible, depending on which way the wind is blowing, that they may also post some information on the talks with NCsoft, but keep in mind that 1) this could be good or bad, so please don't go counting your chickens yet, and 2) I assure you that if anything major is released, unless you're deliberately making yourself unavailable to news, you will hear about it, as it will be nigh impossible to avoid seeing it either here, on Facebook, Twitter, or some gaming site.First I wondered ...
I wasn't part of this conversation directly, so anything I say was said would only be hearsay. However, I can assure you that the Hail Mary team is not actively soliciting people to release news on their behalf. I can pretty confidently say that the conversation did not go like this: "Hey Robert, we have this information we'd like to get out to everyone. Can you please disseminate it for us?" They are, however, being steadily solicited for information from several people. I don't necessarily mean to portray that in a bad light; people are excited and they want to know what's going on. I can easily imagine a scenario in which Robert asked, "Hey, can I post about this?" and was told sure.
I can also pretty confidently say that the Hail Mary team didn't ask anyone to post a "***MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENT***" (as Robert's post was titled), and they sure as hell didn't ask him to characterize the announcement as "jaw-dropping" or ask him to say that he is "100% confident in the chance of this deal happening".
That's what I was trying to point out in my reply, and what I've been telling people for months now. You should ALWAYS understand that when you're reading secondhand information, it has been filtered through a lens of personal subjectivity. Even with a complete lack of malice or ill will from a source you consider reliable, there is a chance that the actual truth is not being represented 100% accurately. In fact, it's happened (http://www.cohtitan.com/forum/index.php/topic,9675.msg145620.html#msg145620) before (http://www.cohtitan.com/forum/index.php/topic,9675.msg145640.html#msg145640) on this very topic. According to Robert, this means I'm calling him a liar, and it made him mad enough to delete my reply (quoted in the OP) pointing this out. If so, then I guess I'm calling myself a liar also, because I've said the same thing about my own posts (http://www.cohtitan.com/forum/index.php/topic,9675.msg152832.html#msg152832).
^^^^^ That. Because of their reverse engineering efforts, they have technical knowledge of the game client and back-end that likely no one else knows except the developers themselves. In fact, I'd dare say that they probably have a more comprehensive knowledge of how everything is put together than the developers, most of whom probably only had insight and experience with a particular facet of the game they were working on.
It depends on how you define "major news". The only thing that I'm relatively sure of is that they plan on letting everyone know who they are. To me, this isn't particularly earth-shattering, but you know, enh. It is possible, depending on which way the wind is blowing, that they may also post some information on the talks with NCsoft, but keep in mind that 1) this could be good or bad, so please don't go counting your chickens yet, and 2) I assure you that if anything major is released, unless you're deliberately making yourself unavailable to news, you will hear about it, as it will be nigh impossible to avoid seeing it either here, on Facebook, Twitter, or some gaming site.
Yes, emphatically. Robert may have phrased something poorly - but he was asked to relate his information. I dropped the ball for a few days and I know you would like to have heard it from me - but again I was preoccupied.
However, I can assure you that the Hail Mary team is not actively soliciting people to release news on their behalf.
Ok, now I'm confused. Ironwolf says;
But TonyV says;
So, which is it?
People can't possibly be talking about character building and enhancement planning when the game isn't even bought or reverse engineered..... It could easily be a year if ever.... ?
Well, you know, it takes time to build 1-2 versions of every single powerset combination I may ever play, then do DPS and EPS calculations for it. So I had to beat the rush and start already.
War Witch expressly stated in a post Black Friday Coffee Talk that, if they had some internal office confusion on continuity or some forgotten detail relevant to something they were working on, Paragon Wiki was where they went to resolve it. I don't think that anyone could dispute that, outside of Cryptic/Paragon, no one knows more about the game, be it the play of the game or its inner workings, than the good people of Titan. It's most likely less beta testing and more tech support. I would be shocked and disappointed if, by the time the game is back up, no member of Titan was involved in some aspect of the recovery.
Enthusiasm duly tempered. Thanks for the lucid and realistic update, Tony. If we happen to get knocked down again on Monday I may delay popping another Awaken for a little while, since I've probably let myself get a bit too optimistic about the possibilities despite knowing better.
To put it differently, I'll be bummed if Monday is a "Sorry, no go" message, but there are people that the past few days' discussion could have set up to kind of be crushed by anything other than the return of the game. There's still one of my CoH friends I haven't talked with about this at all, just because I didn't want to raise her hopes. And I'm a bit worried that she may be on the "Survivors" groups.
I know that we all don't know everything that has been going on. I can tell you however Robert has been talking to the team for a long time. He was not 100% sure they were the people making the effort but he had a VERY strong guess.
Now he had the permisson from the team to make his Facebook post and he is in fact talking to the team as I type this.
This came out different from what I planned - but it wasn't my place to plan it. Once word is out all this will be water under the bridge and now Robert got to wear my shoes for a day and he understands how strongly our players love this game. The more fierce the attack - the more love for the game. I am asking that you not pillory Robert as he is doing his best as I was distracted these past few weeks and likely should have been more on top of things.
I just have to ask we not drive wedges into the very community we have fought to hold together.
War Witch expressly stated in a post Black Friday Coffee Talk that, if they had some internal office confusion on continuity or some forgotten detail relevant to something they were working on, Paragon Wiki was where they went to resolve it. I don't think that anyone could dispute that, outside of Cryptic/Paragon, no one knows more about the game, be it the play of the game or its inner workings, than the good people of Titan. It's most likely less beta testing and more tech support. I would be shocked and disappointed if, by the time the game is back up, no member of Titan was involved in some aspect of the recovery.
I feel everyone is acting like TonyV and IronWolf are the bad guys for being level headed and telling it like it is.I know this isn't about what I said (else you wouldn't have +1'd me), but I want to make it very clear that the BEST thing about this community is that we have folks like Tony and Wolf who keep us hopeful but also keep us realistic. As long as we have hopeful realism working for us, I don't see a way our City won't eventually come back. It may not happen based on an announcement Monday, and it may not happen based on the work of the current Hail Mary team, but I have full faith that it will eventually happen.
Question: I've kept reading that the Sentinel backup files are apparently buggy or otherwise incomplete, what was the problem with them that they couldn't be used to restore characters if needed?
Let's not put the cart before the horse. NCSoft has not sold CoH. And even if they ever do, they may dredge up old character information or they may not. There are tons of maybes, but we are missing the One Yes to Rule Them All that we need first. :P
yeah, I understand that. I'm just asking what the problem with the files are.
For all we know, COH may simply be licensing the IP, and not turning over code/data, etc.
Let's all just breathe.
http://www.cohtitan.com/forum/index.php/topic,9675.msg146665/topicseen.html#msg146665
I know this isn't about what I said (else you wouldn't have +1'd me), but I want to make it very clear that the BEST thing about this community is that we have folks like Tony and Wolf who keep us hopeful but also keep us realistic. As long as we have hopeful realism working for us, I don't see a way our City won't eventually come back. It may not happen based on an announcement Monday, and it may not happen based on the work of the current Hail Mary team, but I have full faith that it will eventually happen.
For all we know, COH may simply be licensing the IP, and not turning over code/data, etc.
Let's all just breathe.
Ya it wasn't directed at you or anyone in general really. I quoted you because I thought what you said hit the nail on the head so perfectly. I have feeling a lot of people won't be popping another wakie if this doesn't go through. As you so elegantly put:)
And that worries me because if this doesn't go through the first thing we need to do is start over again. I am also worried a lot of people will turn to Ironwolf and say "You did this!" when it wasn't anyone but their own imagination and the impatience of a very small amount of people.
People were quick to turn on Rae in no time I feel like. Don't want to see the same happen to Ironwolf or anyone else in this community.
Costumes can be repaired in the tailor, especially if one has save files for their costumes on hand.
Badges and incarnate powers.....well either regain them the hard way or via ticket.
It's much more subtle and insidious than that.
The character would be broken, so if you had Incarnate stuff partially unlocked you'd be unable to do it the hard way. You'd have no record of running the unlock arc, so you'd have to run it again, but running it again would likely not fix the situation because you already have the badge, and nothing happens when you finish the arc.
Ouroboros portals are in a similar boat, because Sentinel didn't export temp powers I don't think. But the portal is granted once at the moment you earn the Entrusted with the Secret badge, and you can't earn it again if you already have the badge...
Unlockable contacts you have the badge for but not the requisite internal token are yet another issue.
None of that is something any old GM could fix; it would take senior developer-level surgery on the character data. I really doubt anyone is going to want to open the door to tickets like that coming from every single player.
Like I said before, Sentinel+ exports were "best effort" and never intended to be used with a commercial relaunch. We considered that the least likely scenario in which they would be needed. The best you can hope for with that is probably extracting the costume and maybe a mids build in order to know what to slot.
I dont want this question to be misunderstoof.. but why announce who they are if they havent reached a conclusion point (either yay or nay).. I mean how does that help the community and/or the negotiation?
Further interim-team-name suggestion: use the Team Hail Mary initials, and shorten it to THeM (with an "e" for pronunciation). :)
It could lead to bad grammar, of course: "THeM could make an announcement any day now." But that's a risk I'm willing to take.
It's much more subtle and insidious than that.
The character would be broken, so if you had Incarnate stuff partially unlocked you'd be unable to do it the hard way. You'd have no record of running the unlock arc, so you'd have to run it again, but running it again would likely not fix the situation because you already have the badge, and nothing happens when you finish the arc.
Ouroboros portals are in a similar boat, because Sentinel didn't export temp powers I don't think. But the portal is granted once at the moment you earn the Entrusted with the Secret badge, and you can't earn it again if you already have the badge...
Unlockable contacts you have the badge for but not the requisite internal token are yet another issue.
None of that is something any old GM could fix; it would take senior developer-level surgery on the character data. I really doubt anyone is going to want to open the door to tickets like that coming from every single player.
Like I said before, Sentinel+ exports were "best effort" and never intended to be used with a commercial relaunch. We considered that the least likely scenario in which they would be needed. The best you can hope for with that is probably extracting the costume and maybe a mids build in order to know what to slot.
Someone should tell Mercedes if CoH comes back, though; I know she'd play again if it ever went back up (although by that point there will likely be big press announcements by NCSoft she'd see eventually anyway).I worked with Misty for a few years and have her email addy. She was the one who turned me on COH in the first place. :) I think I'll wait until the deal is solid (saying WHEN instead of IF).
Question: I've kept reading that the Sentinel backup files are apparently buggy or otherwise incomplete, what was the problem with them that they couldn't be used to restore characters if needed?
It could lead to bad grammar, of course: "THeM could make an announcement any day now." But that's a risk I'm willing to take.
THeM are working really hard. THeM are my favorite people right now. THeM might release who THeM actually are.
I knew when I started this it would not be easy.
Nothing that is worth having is easy to achieve.
Not THeM!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2PLls02gOU
And if the whole thing fizzles, we're no worse off, and we do appreciate the incredible amount of time and effort they've already put in (even Rae, who is now in what, her second team and set of proposals at least, besides doing P.R. for CoT?).
None of that is something any old GM could fix; it would take senior developer-level surgery on the character data. I really doubt anyone is going to want to open the door to tickets like that coming from every single player.
Like I said before, Sentinel+ exports were "best effort" and never intended to be used with a commercial relaunch. We considered that the least likely scenario in which they would be needed. The best you can hope for with that is probably extracting the costume and maybe a mids build in order to know what to slot.
Wow, people are hitting the boiling point everywhere this weekend. The timing of any kind of "official" announcement on Monday, falling as it does right on the tale of the anniversary of the game-closure announcement, apparently has much of the devoted COX community increasingly at one another's throats, instead of coming together in support of one another. It feels like the X-Files episode "Syzygy ", where a rare cosmic alignment drives everyone temporarily crazy...
It really saddens me to see so much anger here and on FB directed at each other, when we should be hopeful. God willing, tomorrow people will calm down. As for me, I'm stepping away until the announcement, whatever it is, is actually finally made.
Am I the only one who'd be a bit disappointed if it turned out the current THeM team turned out to be Missing Worlds Media?
Not because I don't think they'd do a good job if they got COX, but because I really want to see City of Titans come out?
Wow, people are hitting the boiling point everywhere this weekend. The timing of any kind of "official" announcement on Monday, falling as it does right on the tale of the anniversary of the game-closure announcement, apparently has much of the devoted COX community increasingly at one another's throats, instead of coming together in support of one another. It feels like the X-Files episode "Syzygy ", where a rare cosmic alignment drives everyone temporarily crazy...
It really saddens me to see so much anger here and on FB directed at each other, when we should be hopeful. God willing, tomorrow people will calm down. As for me, I'm stepping away until the announcement, whatever it is, is actually finally made.
You're not alone, Robert kinda pissed me off too.
"Like, dude. Shut the hell up until things are finalized. You can only do harm."
Am I the only one who'd be a bit disappointed if it turned out the current THeM team turned out to be Missing Worlds Media?
Not because I don't think they'd do a good job if they got COX, but because I really want to see City of Titans come out?
Wow, people are hitting the boiling point everywhere this weekend.
Although highly improbable, I would LOVE to see MWM get this, they get CoH back up and running as is, and then slowly add in everything they promised in kickstarted piecemeal into the game.
My suggestion is to get off this forum and go do your chores, housework, or anything else you have been putting off as you are going to be thoroughly distracted this Monday ; )
MwM has always said that is CoH came back they would continue to develop CoT.. they also have other future non CoT projects planned..
You're not alone, Robert kinda pissed me off too.
Wow, people are hitting the boiling point everywhere this weekend.
...
It really saddens me to see so much anger here and on FB directed at each other, when we should be hopeful.
If you see one of these posts, please do not respond, as this only encourages him. Just report it to the moderator, and we'll delete the post(s) and ban the account and IP address he's posting from. He apparently doesn't realize that the more he posts, the more information he's giving us to cut off more avenues of his abuse. If you see his posts on other social media sites (they're easy to spot; you'll recognize them from their abusive language, attacks on people within the CoH community, and almost incomprehensible spelling and grammar), please report them for abuse on whichever respective service you find them on.Okay. Interesting. To me that smacks of some sort of mental disability/illness since even most trolls aren't that persistent and occasionally break character when trying to post as semi-literate ranters. i have to say you've done a damn fine job since i wasn't even aware of his existence until earlier today.
Such is the price we pay for you folks to keep the Titan Network up and running and actively moderated. ;D
+1
I don't care if he was technically correct or not.
The announcement was self serving only and wasn't helpful whatsoever.
Honestly, I feel like everyone who is NOT directly on the Hail Mary team - especially Robert, and unfortunately Ironwolf - should have kept their mouths completely shut. If they're not active members of the team, it is not their announcements to make.
I feel like Ironwolf was trying in good faith to let the community know what's up, but in the end all it did is divide and upset people when there's no whiff of a guarantee that any hype will pan out.
I feel like Robert was just trying to self-aggrandize and stir up admiration for work he has no hand in. He needs to sit down and zip it.
If Hail Mary DID ask folks to release this information in such a half-assed and uncontrolled manner, I've got very little faith in them running the game well, frankly.
This whole thing has been cruel and divisive, and should never have been brought up at all until the answer was yes.
Honestly, I feel like everyone who is NOT directly on the Hail Mary team - especially Robert, and unfortunately Ironwolf - should have kept their mouths completely shut. If they're not active members of the team, it is not their announcements to make.
I feel like Ironwolf was trying in good faith to let the community know what's up, but in the end all it did is divide and upset people when there's no whiff of a guarantee that any hype will pan out.
I feel like Robert was just trying to self-aggrandize and stir up admiration for work he has no hand in. He needs to sit down and zip it.
If Hail Mary DID ask folks to release this information in such a half-assed and uncontrolled manner, I've got very little faith in them running the game well, frankly.
This whole thing has been cruel and divisive, and should never have been brought up at all until the answer was yes.
Not too many people really care enough about CoH at this point to go through all that effort, not as seriously as it takes. If people stop to think about it, combined with the Unreal 4/CoH2 and "technical testing from NCSoft" clues, I don't think it's going to be a big shocker finding out who's behind these nonetheless awesome and admirable efforts.
It's much more subtle and insidious than that.That's a nice explanation.
The character would be broken, so if you had Incarnate stuff partially unlocked you'd be unable to do it the hard way. You'd have no record of running the unlock arc, so you'd have to run it again, but running it again would likely not fix the situation because you already have the badge, and nothing happens when you finish the arc.
Ouroboros portals are in a similar boat, because Sentinel didn't export temp powers I don't think. But the portal is granted once at the moment you earn the Entrusted with the Secret badge, and you can't earn it again if you already have the badge...
Unlockable contacts you have the badge for but not the requisite internal token are yet another issue.
None of that is something any old GM could fix; it would take senior developer-level surgery on the character data. I really doubt anyone is going to want to open the door to tickets like that coming from every single player.
Like I said before, Sentinel+ exports were "best effort" and never intended to be used with a commercial relaunch. We considered that the least likely scenario in which they would be needed. The best you can hope for with that is probably extracting the costume and maybe a mids build in order to know what to slot.
I knew when I started this it would not be easy.Ha! Explain my girlfriend!
Nothing that is worth having is easy to achieve.
I feel like Ironwolf was trying in good faith to let the community know what's up, but in the end all it did is divide and upset people when there's no whiff of a guarantee that any hype will pan out.
This whole thing has been cruel and divisive, and should never have been brought up at all until the answer was yes.
+1
If Ironwolf had NOT spoken up at the start, there wouldn't have been another buy attempt in the first place.
Honestly, I feel like everyone who is NOT directly on the Hail Mary team - especially Robert, and unfortunately Ironwolf - should have kept their mouths completely shut. If they're not active members of the team, it is not their announcements to make.
I feel like Ironwolf was trying in good faith to let the community know what's up, but in the end all it did is divide and upset people when there's no whiff of a guarantee that any hype will pan out.
I feel like Robert was just trying to self-aggrandize and stir up admiration for work he has no hand in. He needs to sit down and zip it.
If Hail Mary DID ask folks to release this information in such a half-assed and uncontrolled manner, I've got very little faith in them running the game well, frankly.
This whole thing has been cruel and divisive, and should never have been brought up at all until the answer was yes.
If Missing Worlds Media turns out to be THeM, then I suspect that it's an agreement for the IP, rather than actually "turning the servers back on", MWM has already invested time and money in their architecture, including a sweetheart deal for the Unreal Engine. It would be short-sighted of MWM to throw all of that away to take over a game whose code and server architecture are unknown and undocumented.
If Missing Worlds Media turns out to be THeM, then I suspect that it's an agreement for the IP, rather than actually "turning the servers back on", MWM has already invested time and money in their architecture, including a sweetheart deal for the Unreal Engine. It would be short-sighted of MWM to throw all of that away to take over a game whose code and server architecture are unknown and undocumented.
I just want to reiterate this. Although I can't point to a specific post right now, I know they're out there, in which MWM has confirmed that a potential CoH return would not alter their plans to proceed with development on City of Titans.
I don't know the workings of Kickstarter that well. But would they even be allowed to use the money from their Kickstarter for bidding on CoH?
If it is MWM I think they will certainly be turning the CoH servers back on. Why? 1. It will build loyalty with the CoH player base. 2. It will show competence and build expertise in running a MMO. This will be vital for them to raise funds and investment for CoH2/CoT.
That would be counterproductive. They would be spending a lot of money to get COH. Then get COH back and operational. And then keep it online and maintain it all while building another MMO that would directly compete with COH?
That's not a great approach.
That would be counterproductive. They would be spending a lot of money to get COH. Then get COH back and operational. And then keep it online and maintain it all while building another MMO that would directly compete with COH?
That's not a great approach.
Do you realize how much money companies pay to get and keep loyal customers? Let's take the Super Bowl for example... Why would a company spend millions and millions of dollars just so you remember their brand name?
If you have any training in marketing at all, you'd realize that the simple act of acquiring CoH and getting it operational would acquire legions of loyal fans willing to do anything to support said company--and that's all any company ever really wants....a loyal customer base that is willing to recommend them to all their friends.
That is what they call an "intangible." You might be able to quantify the worth of a customer base in number projections, but you can't quantify loyalty and brand recognition. Any marketing person will tell you that a loyal customer is worth FAR more than a one-time buyer who may or may not come back.
That would be counterproductive. They would be spending a lot of money to get COH. Then get COH back and operational. And then keep it online and maintain it all while building another MMO that would directly compete with COH?
That's not a great approach.
Sometimes I think that it would help everyone here if we all pretended that we were on a big TF/SF with everyone involved, and any posts we didnt 100% agree with was someone suggesting a very very bad build or some suicidal action, like, say, a solo hamidon raid on their kheld because if you can solo ITF you can solo hami.
We're all good people - even if we played bad people - and we all just want our game back. Let's give everyone else a little slack, relax, and remember we're all here for the same reasons.
Maybe the whys of the game back are different - RP, certain ATs, certain content, etc, but we're all only here, Robert included over on facebook, Tony keeping the Network alive, Ironwolf starting this effort and keeping us appraised, etc, because we want our game back. We're allies. Friends.
It makes me sad when we don't treat eachother like we would have in game. We're the CoH community. Let's be heroes to eachother, we can always do alignment mishes to change that later :3
Okay, I haven't even read the rest of this page but I feel instantly compelled to point out to you that SOE (Sony Entertainment Online) does this very thing and it is the cornerstone of their MMO business: It's the Everquest Franchise, with every one still running strong. EQ1 turned 15 this spring, EQ2 will be 10 this November, and not only is EQ3 (Everquest Next) in the works but also Everquest Landmark, which is in closed beta! ;D 1 & 2 have an insane amount of expansions for each one of them, too; no maintenance mode there! Oh, and did I mention Planetside and Planetside 2, their FPSs?
Sometimes I think that it would help everyone here if we all pretended that we were on a big TF/SF with everyone involved, and any posts we didnt 100% agree with was someone suggesting a very very bad build or some suicidal action, like, say, a solo hamidon raid on their kheld because if you can solo ITF you can solo hami.
We're all good people - even if we played bad people - and we all just want our game back. Let's give everyone else a little slack, relax, and remember we're all here for the same reasons.
Maybe the whys of the game back are different - RP, certain ATs, certain content, etc, but we're all only here, Robert included over on facebook, Tony keeping the Network alive, Ironwolf starting this effort and keeping us appraised, etc, because we want our game back. We're allies. Friends.
It makes me sad when we don't treat eachother like we would have in game. We're the CoH community. Let's be heroes to eachother, we can always do alignment mishes to change that later :3
Okay, I haven't even read the rest of this page but I feel instantly compelled to point out to you that SOE (Sony Entertainment Online) does this very thing
If you have any training in marketing at all, you'd realize that the simple act of acquiring CoH and getting it operational would acquire legions of loyal fans willing to do anything to support said company--and that's all any company ever really wants
I have long thought that FB literally makes people crazy. I really think it does.Ironically I just had this discussion over on a fanfiction board. Yes, Facebook really does make people insane, and that is by design. Long rant ahead
People cant wait literally one more day...????
This is not really comparable for several reasons.
1. Sony's MMOs are bundled into the "Station Pass" package, and therefore do not compete with one another for subscribers and revenue.
2. MWM would be simultaneously maintaining a game that people love while trying to build a game to replace it. MWM's resources are not comparable to Sony's.
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I hope it is an actual studio with some experience handling the return of CoH and not MWM. I know that's heresy to say on these forums, but MWM or the H&V group are the last two groups I would want handling the resurrection of CoH.
If it is MWM, they've clearly either got A.) a lot more of a professional outfit going than people realize (for NCSoft to have taken them seriously thus far) or B.) they're a heck of a lot further away from a CoH rez/CoH2 than people on Facebook and these boards would like to think. And I'd hope everyone wouldn't be totally going off the deep end here for months over next to nothing.
I don't feel like that's very realistic. I think cryptic or some other company is a more plausible.
On the MWM theory. Where would they get the money? From the kick starter? Would that even fly with the backers? They don't even pay the people that are making the game (from what I've read) you really think they'd have 500k+++ (I have no clue what it would cost) to buy the ip? I don't feel like that's very realistic. I think cryptic or some other company is a more plausible.
If Missing Worlds Media turns out to be THeM, then I suspect that it's an agreement for the IP, rather than actually "turning the servers back on", MWM has already invested time and money in their architecture, including a sweetheart deal for the Unreal Engine. It would be short-sighted of MWM to throw all of that away to take over a game whose code and server architecture are unknown and undocumented.Just so you know, many-many-many pages back in the New Efforts! thread, somewhere near the beginning, it was reported that the NewDev team had contacted NCsoft about acquiring the IP and NCsoft said "By the way, we also have an archive of the game's code at shutdown, would you be interested in buying that as well?" and the team basically said "Oh hell yes!" with the intention of getting the original game back up and running while transitioning the game to a new engine. They also found NCsoft's asking price to be thoroughly doable, which does make MWM seem fairly unlikely as it's a mostly volunteer effort being run on a shoestring budget. They've made some remarkable progress, but i can't imagine MWM would have the funds to also acquire CoH.
But then, if it is Cryptic, why would NCSoft require them to "prove" they can handle the game? ??? I don't know if this is a commonality in such transactions, but I think it is probably a smaller or lesser known group, which is not necessarily bad.
All we have about them having to prove technical competence is Ironwolf saying so. We don't know to what extent or if it was even really the case.
I many be proven wrong.. but I highly doubt its MWM.. seriously..I can think of lots of reasons why I would think it's unlikely to be MWM. I mean, how would all the players who flocked to them as a way to stay clear of NCSoft feel about even an *attempt* to enter into business with them? It seems like it would be even worse for MWM to try to make a deal with NC and fail. About the only thing that makes me go, "Well, I guess it could be them" is the fact that with all this speculation, none of them have said, "It's not us."
What companies want are customers who pay for their products and services. Period. LEGO Universe had massive customer loyalty, and it failed because it didn't make money. Loyalty is nice. Good word-of-mouth is nice. In the absence of paying customers, however, they are irrelevant.
MWM (assuming that's who THeM is) is, first and foremost, a business. Building MMOs is expensive. MWM may have the resources to build their superhero MMO. MWM may have the resources to resurrect COH and operate it. Considering that they only raised $678,000 with their KickStarter, I am skeptical that they can do both, and I don't think they should.
But that's just my opinion.
I can think of lots of reasons why I would think it's unlikely to be MWM. I mean, how would all the players who flocked to them as a way to stay clear of NCSoft feel about even an *attempt* to enter into business with them? It seems like it would be even worse for MWM to try to make a deal with NC and fail. About the only thing that makes me go, "Well, I guess it could be them" is the fact that with all this speculation, none of them have said, "It's not us."
If Missing Worlds Media turns out to be THeM, then I suspect that it's an agreement for the IP, rather than actually "turning the servers back on", MWM has already invested time and money in their architecture, including a sweetheart deal for the Unreal Engine. It would be short-sighted of MWM to throw all of that away to take over a game whose code and server architecture are unknown and undocumented.
(though MMO's are, themselves (http://www.cracked.com/article_18461_5-creepy-ways-video-games-are-trying-to-get-you-addicted.html), also such boxes with their own reward schemas).
I hope it is an actual studio with some experience handling the return of CoH and not MWM. I know that's heresy to say on these forums, but MWM or the H&V group are the last two groups I would want handling the resurrection of CoH.
You are missing everything that happened. The new folks aren't attempting to enter business with NCSoft - they may not have a choice to get the game. Ok, I will put it on you - NCSoft says you can't have the game if we can't have a profit share for 2 years. Then what?
To add my 2 cents to the MWM theory:And throw away all their work on their lore? Tshirts, artwork, etc. And face complications about their kickstarter terms and rewards.
There's nothing to stop them from getting the IP, bringing CoH online, and rebranding CoT to CoH2. With the incentives, all those CoH players would flock to CoT/CoH2.
The question on hand is if the expected playerbase would be worth the costs.
Sometimes I think that it would help everyone here if we all pretended that we were on a big TF/SF with everyone involved, and any posts we didnt 100% agree with was someone suggesting a very very bad build or some suicidal action, like, say, a solo hamidon raid on their kheld because if you can solo ITF you can solo hami.
We're all good people - even if we played bad people - and we all just want our game back. Let's give everyone else a little slack, relax, and remember we're all here for the same reasons.
Maybe the whys of the game back are different - RP, certain ATs, certain content, etc, but we're all only here, Robert included over on facebook, Tony keeping the Network alive, Ironwolf starting this effort and keeping us appraised, etc, because we want our game back. We're allies. Friends.
It makes me sad when we don't treat eachother like we would have in game. We're the CoH community. Let's be heroes to eachother, we can always do alignment mishes to change that later :3
Wouldn't it be funny if it was someone(s) totally out of left field? But as they say in the medical world, when you hear hoofbeats, think of horses, not zebras....
Wouldn't it be the funniest if MWM and Cryptic (and even SCoRE) were all banding together to do this? :P
You are missing everything that happened. The new folks aren't attempting to enter business with NCSoft - they may not have a choice to get the game. Ok, I will put it on you - NCSoft says you can't have the game if we can't have a profit share for 2 years. Then what?Sir, you have truly confused me. I can't see how someone who is negotiating with NCSoft would not be attempting to enter into business with NCSoft. [Edit: Did you think I meant some sort of on-going partnership or co-development deal? That wasn't what I meant, I promise. I'm really not trying to be dense here. I seem to have struck a nerve, which was about the furthest thing from my intent.]
Pretty much the only place it isn't monday yet in the US is here on the west coast, buuut I'm going to imagine they meant some time on monday and just relax waiting for it to happen between noon and five tomorrow.
Okay. Interesting. To me that smacks of some sort of mental disability/illness since even most trolls aren't that persistent and occasionally break character when trying to post as semi-literate ranters. i have to say you've done a damn fine job since i wasn't even aware of his existence until earlier today.I've had the dubious pleasure of encountering some of his posts from early on up to now. He's not illiterate, as much as employing a very crude, unfocused, stream-of-consciousness approach to communication. That and the overall personality (obsessive focus on single subject and paranoia among other things) indicate he may be autistic, and not a good case of it either.
I've had the dubious pleasure of encountering some of his posts from early on up to now. He's not illiterate, as much as employing a very crude, unfocused, stream-of-consciousness approach to communication. That and the overall personality (obsessive focus on single subject and paranoia among other things) indicate he may be autistic, and not a good case of it either.
On the MWM theory. Where would they get the money? From the kick starter? Would that even fly with the backers? They don't even pay the people that are making the game (from what I've read) you really think they'd have 500k+++ (I have no clue what it would cost) to buy the ip? I don't feel like that's very realistic. I think cryptic or some other company is a more plausible.
Poor example. LEGO's brand loyalty was most likely what kept it just above water long enough to get turned around. In fact, it's been well-documented that the reasons LEGO was going under was because they tried too hard to make money. Instead of taking care of their CORE fanbase (i.e. loyal customers), they had started trying to become some kind of "lifestyle" brand with clothes, watches, videogames, etc. They were delving into business structures they didn't even understand. The reason they were turned around was because they put someone else in charge that "got" the taking care of your loyal customer philosophy.
You misunderstand. I was not talking about the global LEGO brand; I was specifically talking about the Lego Universe MMO. Which failed because it did not make money.Lego Universe had a bad revenue model from day 1. Its F2P setup was broken beyond measure.
If COH is resurrected, and it does not make money, it will fail again. That's the bottom line.
Really? because at least MWM would probably be a little more merciful when it came to yanking the rug out from under us. AGAIN.
I would prefer for CoX and MWM to remain separate. But I ain't gonna fuss no matter what happens.... I trust MWM more than I do most gaming entities, that is for sure. They're inexperienced.... BUT AT LEAST THEY HAVE HEARTS TEN TIMES THE SIZE of certain gaming entities I could mention.
Wouldn't it be the funniest if MWM and Cryptic (and even SCoRE) were all banding together to do this? :P
Lego Universe had a bad revenue model from day 1. Its F2P setup was broken beyond measure.LU was industry-standard $14.99/month at launch and wasn't able to turn a profit at that price point. F2P was a hasty and poorly-implemented attempt to save the game. It only hastened its demise.
LU was industry-standard $14.99/month at launch and wasn't able to turn a profit at that price point. F2P was a hasty and poorly-implemented attempt to save the game. It only hastened its demise.
You are missing everything that happened. The new folks aren't attempting to enter business with NCSoft - they may not have a choice to get the game. Ok, I will put it on you - NCSoft says you can't have the game if we can't have a profit share for 2 years. Then what?
Wouldn't it be funny if it was someone(s) totally out of left field? But as they say in the medical world, when you hear hoofbeats, think of horses, not zebras....
At least you said "probably"...as there is no proof how they would handle canceling CoH since...they have never ran or sunset a game.
I have no way to trust MWM...they have no track record. It's easy to say "Bad bad gaming company" when they have ran and shut down numerous titles...but at least they have ran titles. I wished them well in their kickstarter, but did not donate...for the same reason...I will trust them when they have an actual product. Will/Would I sub to CoT...sure...once it's an actual thing and not a few story boards and what have you... It's all fine and dandy to be optimistic and cheerleader-like, but when it comes to CoH...I want an actual team who have ran an MMO before. I want a team who is in one central location that are working 8-10-12 hour days and not doing it as a hobby. I think what they are doing for CoT is great...and look forward to it, but when it comes to CoH...I want professionals who make the return of CoH their job....
In my opinion, COH was never "unprofitable". I just think it was a poor business decision on NCSoft's part. Who knows why? Perhaps they needed the hardware for the much hyped Guild Wars 2?
In any case, the "hardcore" fans of this game helped raise over half a million dollars to fund City of Titans. What does that say about "profitability"? We threw our money into a game that isn't even out yet. I would imagine that COH had no issues with "cash flow".
Just my opinion on it.
CoH was moderately profitable. However, Paragon Studios were losing money all over the place thanks to the 2 secret projects they were working on. With the merger with Exxon going ahead, you can guarantee that CoH was just a casualty of the new overlords wanting loss making studio's, gone.
It's been bandied about that, IF CoX is brought back, it would be in maintenance mode only. I'm fine with that, despite the outdated graphics and other "detriments." It's a game that, as it was when it was shut down, we all loved and many of us have had next to no success in finding another game that we could call home. Despite being only maintenance mode (if that turns out to be the case), I would still pony up the $15 monthly subscription fee to do my part in keeping the game alive. If we have to start from scratch, I would purchase all kinds of things: costume sets, power sets, character slots, etc.--even vet rewards if they were available. The important thing, the thing to hold dear above all others, is that we would have our game back.
If the game is brought back in maintenance mode, but the buyers announced they'd be working on new issues or even City of Heroes 2, I'd be willing to pay anywhere from $30 to $50 monthly subscription to support that. I know that many of us could not or would not do that, but I would still want to do everything I could to keep the game alive, even if my contributions amounted to nothing more than a drop in a very large bucket. This desire of mine doesn't make me somehow superior to those who don't match my efforts; I just wanted to express, perhaps in clumsy terms, how very much I want to go home and fly again.
I just want to say that I'm grateful that Ironwolf and TonyV and Codewalker have all posted what they have about getting the game back.Hope is a real and necessary thing imo. Losing hope would be as painful as losing the game if you ask me. That's probably why pessimistic posts create tension.
I was one of those who was devastated by the loss of the game and tried multiple others to replace it to no avail. New Efforts changed that. I realize that we might not get our game back today or ever but the last few months have given me something I desperately needed; hope and perspective.
The hope is obvious but the perspective needs a little explanation. Talking with all of you about the game and what was and might be gave me some closure with CoH. I still want it to come back, very badly, but I don't feel as bitter and as destroyed as I did before. Thinking about it doesn't depress me anymore.
I still miss it. I always will. But I feel like I can survive it now. So Thanks!
Hope is a real and necessary thing imo. Losing hope would be as painful as losing the game if you ask me. That's probably why pessimistic posts create tension.
A merger with Exxon would have been from left field, Nexon ?
If the game is brought back in maintenance mode, but the buyers announced they'd be working on new issues or even City of Heroes 2, I'd be willing to pay anywhere from $30 to $50 monthly subscription to support that. I know that many of us could not or would not do that, but I would still want to do everything I could to keep the game alive, even if my contributions amounted to nothing more than a drop in a very large bucket.
Then how can you have the least trust in these new hypothetical buyers of CoX? You don't even know who they are.
Don't worry, even if MWM is not the business entity attempting to buy CoX, we who are supporting MWM's efforts will do all we can to make certain that YOU have "an actual thing" to subscribe to.
It strikes me that beggars cannot be too choosy..... but you're pretty darn choosy, and cynical into the bargain. "I only sub to games where the developers are working 8-12 hours a day! And they better all share the same break room too or no sub for you!!" Excuuuuuse me. LOL. Wow.
A merger with Exxon would have been from left field, Nexon ?
Way to blow what i said WAY out of proportion.
...I want an actual team who have ran an MMO before. I want a team who is in one central location that are working 8-10-12 hour days and not doing it as a hobby.
I get it you like/support/are part of MWM... good for you. I'm not ANTI-MWM, but I am also not a fan...
My god! They really DO want to run everything! That's the big announcement!? Exxon is the backer for Team Hail Mary!
Do we even know where this supposedly big announcement is being made?
Way to blow what i said WAY out of proportion.
I stated I want an ACTUAL studio not volunteers to helm the return of CoH.
I stated I did not support the kickstarter because I will wait until CoT is actually a game before giving money (In the form of a sub or whatever monetary system they have in place).
I'm not BEGGING for anything thank you very much. If CoH returns.. awesome. If CoH doesn't return...well there is always the future hope it will.
Am I cynical about MWM.. absolutely..as I think people should be. I'm not going to get my hopes up that people from all over the world are going to produce a game any time soon especially considering those people are doing it in their spare time. Cynicism is a healthy thing...your reaction and word twisting is not.
How can I have faith in an actual studio who has been involved in the actual launch of a game over a "studio" that hasn't uhm.... That's like asking how can I not want to hire someone to build my house who never has over an experienced contracting company that has built at least one house... easy...their experience.
I get it you like/support/are part of MWM... good for you. I'm not ANTI-MWM, but I am also not a fan...because they have produced nothing for me to be a fan of...plain and simple. I just fail to see the hype...when they have something more akin to an Alpha release...maybe then I will start being more hopeful.
Next time you want to reply to me..lose the hyperbole or I will just place you on ignore.... I don't mind discussing things, but at least make an attempt to not belittle me personally when doing so..or putting words in my mouth. Thanks.
My god! They really DO want to run everything! That's the big announcement!? Exxon is the backer for Team Hail Mary!
(OK, fine. It's not, but I don't really expect to see anything until much later, if not tomorrow.)
You have any idea how many mmorpgs out there are all alike? Have you considered none of us would want to be forced to have to have a healer in everything we do due to the wrong developers getting the game(CoX) or making the game(VO/CoT)? I will be truthful here, I'm extremely skeptical of mmorpg developers now, even pecimistic, due to so many games being identical. The reason I AM confident in MWM is because they are CoH players, they've seen the light of designing a game not around the unholy trinity but around giving players real support options.
The unholy trinity is only used because the devs developing those games have never ever seen a true non trinity game in action. They act like it's the only way to play, so they make something incredibly bland for it. I trust MWM isn't going to do that because as I said, they saw other ways to play that were fun compared to that bloody trinity. These are people who actually play the kind of game they are developing, which says alot. Can you mention the last time you actually saw a developer actually play an mmorpg outside of CoH? I wouldn't be surprised if alot of them don't after a point.
City of titans is better described as a game made by gamers for gamers who have actually played games that actually had an identity. City of heroes had an identity, it was unique in so many ways, and it's a good thing they work on it. Just as much I am hopeful CoX returns, I am just as much wanting CoT and VO to make it. Because as I said, there are to many generic mmorpgs out there that make you require a healer.
Some people like the holy trinity you know. Some people like playing that way, it assigns everyone a role they need to follow. Ill go either way, I enjoy being just the tank as much as enjoy just being a team member who can play like they want. It's not fair to say every game that uses the trinity is bad just because you don't like it. Its the exact same as people saying any game that doesn't use the holy trinity sucks. It's all subjective. I personally would take a standard MMO with the holy trinity over Champions online anyday. CoH did it well, very few others have.
You have any idea how many mmorpgs out there are all alike? Have you considered none of us would want to be forced to have to have a healer in everything we do due to the wrong developers getting the game(CoX) or making the game(VO/CoT)? I will be truthful here, I'm extremely skeptical of mmorpg developers now, even pecimistic, due to so many games being identical. The reason I AM confident in MWM is because they are CoH players, they've seen the light of designing a game not around the unholy trinity but around giving players real support options.
The unholy trinity is only used because the devs developing those games have never ever seen a true non trinity game in action. They act like it's the only way to play, so they make something incredibly bland for it. I trust MWM isn't going to do that because as I said, they saw other ways to play that were fun compared to that bloody trinity. These are people who actually play the kind of game they are developing, which says alot. Can you mention the last time you actually saw a developer actually play an mmorpg outside of CoH? I wouldn't be surprised if alot of them don't after a point.
City of titans is better described as a game made by gamers for gamers who have actually played games that actually had an identity. City of heroes had an identity, it was unique in so many ways, and it's a good thing they work on it. Just as much I am hopeful CoX returns, I am just as much wanting CoT and VO to make it. Because as I said, there are to many generic mmorpgs out there that make you require a healer.
I don't enjoy a game when the very tactic used is especially repetitive though. MMORPGS are stagnant now for that and the grind, though. This is the year 2014, not 1999. It wouldn't be seen as a problem in 2004 but again, 2014 not then. People want newer things, why do you think GW2 changed it and why do you think EQ Next is abandoning it?
One: CC is AMAZING in CoH. You can tank with characters who can't take a hit. I teamed with a group of otherwise Controllers and Dominators when I was leveling my blaster, and I was never at risk from the sheer amount of lockdown keeping the enemies at bay. Two: you don't need the other classes to do what you do.Hell haveth no fury like a team of controllers
No clue why you bothered quoting me in your reply...
Whatever team takes over CoH will run it in maintenance mode... so your holy trinity rant has no validity.
You honestly think ANY team that gets CoH and works on CoH2 is going to stray from the model of CoH?? That's a HUE leap of negativity you took there.
Whatever team gets CoH...would be smart to keep the core mechanics etc that make CoH ...CoH. There is no guarantee that any team will mess with those mechanics...nor that they won't...because that is so far in the future it makes absolutely no sense to assume anything. Insinuating either way is simply grasping at straws to further an "argument" against one or the other.
I don't enjoy a game when the very tactic used is especially repetitive though and also the only one. MMORPGS are stagnant now for that and the grind, though. This is the year 2014, not 1999. It wouldn't be seen as a problem in 2004 but again, 2014 not then. People want newer things, why do you think GW2 changed it and why do you think EQ Next is abandoning it?
You don't have to like it, and I am not claiming its better in any way. I am just saying some people do like it, that is why WoW is so successful. And EQ Next may crash and burn the same way most MMO's that aren't WoW do these days. I hope it doesn't, because it sounds amazing. But EQ is one of the games that helped create the holy trinity.
And GW2 in my opinion, isn't very fun. I really don't prefer one method of play over the other, both are fun to me. But I was just saying there are in fact people out there that like the holy trinity. Millions apparently.
EDIT: Didn't want to make a new post for the following thing
Hell haveth no fury like a team of controllers
And I get a feeling you are being negative, considering your mentioning CoH going into maintenance mode. At least it'd have a lot of content and CoH 2 would be being worked on but, even then is that what the team really wants to do? I know they want to make CoH 2 from what iron wolf said, but keep CoH in maintenance, whos to say they want to do that?
I guess because they want you to play? It sounds like if a game uses this trinity thing you hate so much you won't even consider it. If there are enough people who feel the way you do, I guess they want to get your attention.
Personally, I think if a game is good and fun then it shouldn't matter. But I'm more interested in just playing the game and the story than in figuring out all the intricacies out of system. As long as I am enjoying myself, then I'm satisfied.
I know you hate it. Trinity bad, force multipliers good, got it! You hate it so much and the players who use it that you designed an AE arc specifically to punish players who play that way. Lighten up.
Uhh I want CoH in maintenance mode...so they can work on CoH2. I would GLADLY play CoH2 in maintenance mode for 2-3-4 years if it meant a CoH2.
I'm just not of the mindset that if a studio that has some experience gets CoH and works on CoH2 that they will make it a holy trinity grindfest.... to suppose that is to grab at imaginary straws. Just because Studio A has done this or that...does not mean they will do that with a CoH2. A Studio wants to make money...and appeal to their core audience... the playstyle of CoH being dramatically altered would do neither. How about stop assuming the absolute worst until 1. CoH is back 2. CoH2 creation has started and 3. Oh I dunno an Alpha release of CoH2 is on the table??
I don't care if Bugs Bunny is hosting the servers and Wile E. Coyote is his second in command.I do. Acme servers are the worst.
They're only good at Mobil apps :DUGH!!
I do. Acme servers are the worst.
tony one issue that been posted is a red flag to me. they posted that coh would be in maintenance mode till windows 9 comes out. right now windows 9 may be going to test build in a few months and may be out in the spring of next year. as the deal not closed or the game up and running will the team have time to get the game up and running before it has to be turned off. myself I like to see the game come back and stay up as long as it can.
They always find ways of getting old programs to run on new operating systems, I would not loose to much sleep over that one.
My suggestion would be to basically ignore the Windows 9 aspect of it. People seem to be focusing on it a little bit, and it's really a tiny part of the picture.
A better piece to look at is that there's not going to be any way to update the game, and CoH has never been known as a bug free piece of software...or anything close to bug free.
I hope those using the snapshot of I23 back it up a bunch of times and use a backup of the backup to get going with. If something gets permanently corrupted, they can use another backup. But character data would have to be perpetually saved somewhere else.
A better piece to look at is that there's not going to be any way to update the game, and CoH has never been known as a bug free piece of software...or anything close to bug free.
I for one don't care about Win9 and don't care if the software is bug free. I'll miss my toons if we don't have user data but I will survive. If a deal gets inked and this thing becomes a countdown until rather than a what if, a more pertinent discussion is what will be offered to us at launch. I say unlock everything...all AT's, all sets, all vet rewards, all booster packs, all costume parts, everydamnthing.
I for one don't care about Win9 and don't care if the software is bug free. I'll miss my toons if we don't have user data but I will survive. If a deal gets inked and this thing becomes a countdown until rather than a what if, a more pertinent discussion is what will be offered to us at launch. I say unlock everything...all AT's, all sets, all vet rewards, all booster packs, all costume parts, everydamnthing.
If I23 comes back with everything wiped and a functioning store, I think that will be a great opportunity for players.
1. They get to play CoH
2. They get to support the development of CoH 1.5 financially
3. They get immediate benefits from that financial support (costumer pieces, powers, etc.)
Everybody wins.
If I23 comes back with everything wiped and a functioning store, I think that will be a great opportunity for players.
1. They get to play CoH
2. They get to support the development of CoH 1.5 financially
3. They get immediate benefits from that financial support (costumer pieces, powers, etc.)
Everybody wins.
Wow, 7.5 hours since the last post. Did I kill this thread?
Nah, I think most discussion is going on in the "New Efforts!" and "And the mask comes off".
The Paragon Store, and it's unlocks are going to be a hotly debated topic. A lot of people feel they shouldn't have to pay again, a lot of people just don't want to have to pay at all...and other's are glad for the *reason* to pay.
I think, most likely, the Paragon Store will be mostly as it was. But that's up to the team handling Legacy CoH.
This whole thing has been cruel and divisive, and should never have been brought up at all until the answer was yes.
The Announcement has gone a long way to making me revisit my views on NCSoft. It has also shown me that, as people have said in this thread, there is a possibility that NCSoft will negotiate with THeM, taking this deal all the way. It has also showed me that, wow, cultural practices can really get in the way of a resolution. I had never thought that the tactics we employed when we tried to save the game were rude. Aggressive, assertive, yes. But not rude. We were just asking for our game back... from my perspective.
I saw quite a lot of what I certainly felt was rudeness, and plenty of things that went beyond "Rude". People let their anger, and pain get the better of them. They forgot that we're Heroes.
I think part of why some folks are upset is that they were hoping that The Announcement would be a definitive answer. Instead, they're stuck waiting even more, and the pain of waiting to see if their game is going to be back is hard to sit through. I know I've been watching these forums obsessively since Sunday. I also think that those who are upset feel that way because of the fact that they don't want to be hopeful. Announcements like these tend to make us hope again; they also make us fear that that hope will, once again, be dashed.
Hey with at least three different threads on this topic, I'm not sure if this is the place to ask this or not but let's say that the negotiations are successful and that we get i23 back until APRP gets up and running. For us badgers is there a point in badging the i23 version? (since we are starting from scratch at this point) Will it be a direct port into APRP or will we just have to start our characters over again in CoH 1.5? I apologize if this question has already been addressed but it's very difficult to keep up. And TY in advance for the reply.
I guess it doesn't really matter which of the three threads you post in. I at least keep tabs on all three.Understood. Perhaps one of the mods could make a handy dandy FAQ with the knows and Don't knows at some point. Just so people like me who pop in once every couple days can keep up? I realize I am probably asking a lot there. But there's just so much excitement and speculation it's a challenge if not impossible to keep fact separate from fiction what with social media at all. Anyhow... Cheers! ;D
At a much later date, I'd like to see about a system to move characters from Legacy CoH to Revival. However, I can't make any promises on that at this time.
Understood. Perhaps one of the mods could make a handy dandy FAQ with the knows and Don't knows at some point. Just so people like me who pop in once every couple days can keep up? I realize I am probably asking a lot there. But there's just so much excitement and speculation it's a challenge if not impossible to keep fact separate from fiction what with social media at all. Anyhow... Cheers! ;D