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Title: Character Optimization - All Psi Dominator
Post by: JanessaVR on September 23, 2014, 03:02:33 AM
UPDATED (1st Update) on 07/02/2015


Design Notes:

1)  I went with all Psi for Primary, Secondary and Epic both as unified thematic choice and because Psionics are about the hardest powers to resist in-game.  Of all the archetypes, this is is the best build I could come up with that most represented the concept of "I am a master of the mental arts, and will bend you to my will - just by thinking about it!"  :)
2)  Hasten was avoided on purpose, despite its usefulness, as I get really tired of the bright glow and it doesn't fit my concept of the character.
3)  I'll be starting in Praetoria, and Psi/Psi/Psi Dominator is Mother Mayhem's build, so it certainly fits in there.  :)
4)  My primary teaming role is locking down enemies, but I want to be able to solo as well.  However, there is no Psi secondary for Controllers, and my Secondary power being offensive let's me shoot as well as lock down.

Please let me know what you think.


Screenshot of Mids Build:

(https://i1347.photobucket.com/albums/p720/janessavr/Dominator_MC_PA_zps6ofabvse.png)


Export of Mids Build:

Villain Plan by Mids' Villain Designer 1.96
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Click this DataLink to open the build! (http://www.cohplanner.com/mids/download.php?uc=1572&c=715&a=1430&f=HEX&dc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

Dominator X: Level 50 Magic Dominator
Primary Power Set: Mind Control
Secondary Power Set: Psionic Assault
Power Pool: Flight
Power Pool: Concealment
Power Pool: Teleportation
Ancillary Pool: Psionic Mastery

Villain Profile:
Level 1: Levitate Level 1: Psionic Dart Level 2: Dominate Level 4: Fly Level 6: Confuse Level 8: Stealth Level 10: Mental Blast Level 12: Recall Friend Level 14: Teleport Level 16: Psychic Scream Level 18: Total Domination Level 20: Long Range Teleport Level 22: Mass Hypnosis Level 24: Grant Invisibility Level 26: Terrify Level 28: Subdue Level 30: Phase Shift Level 32: Mass Confusion Level 35: Psionic Lance Level 38: Indomitable Will Level 41: Mind Over Body Level 44: Psionic Tornado Level 47: Link Minds Level 49: Hover Level 1: Brawl Level 1: Domination
Level 1: Prestige Power Dash Level 1: Prestige Power Slide Level 1: Prestige Power Quick Level 1: Prestige Power Rush Level 1: Prestige Power Surge Level 1: Sprint Level 2: Rest Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift Level 2: Health Level 2: Hurdle Level 2: Stamina Level 50: Cardiac Core Paragon
Level 50: Cryonic Radial Final Judgement
Level 50: Cognitive Core Flawless Interface
Level 50: Warworks Core Superior Ally
Level 50: Clarion Core Epiphany
Level 50: Control Core Embodiment
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Title: Re: Character Optimization - All Psi Dominator
Post by: Arcana on September 23, 2014, 04:46:18 AM
Define "improvement."
Title: Re: Character Optimization - All Psi Dominator
Post by: JanessaVR on September 23, 2014, 05:07:17 AM
Quote from: Arcana on September 23, 2014, 04:46:18 AM
Define "improvement."
Well, I'd say my highest priorities were lockdown ability, recharge (especially since I eschewed Hasten), recovery/endurance, and damage.
Title: Re: Character Optimization - All Psi Dominator
Post by: Arcana on September 23, 2014, 08:50:35 AM
Quote from: JanessaVR on September 23, 2014, 05:07:17 AM
Well, I'd say my highest priorities were lockdown ability, recharge (especially since I eschewed Hasten), recovery/endurance, and damage.

Well, a small tweak would be to replace the slotting in Psionic Dart to 5 decimations (all but the BU proc) and one thunderstrike dmg/end/rech.  That would buy you 6.25% more recharge and +0.05eps recovery at the cost of -12% regen, which I think is a reasonable trade.

More dramatically, I think on a dominator focusing on control I would strongly consider reworking the build to include Drain Psyche.  It looks like you focused on range thematically, but at high recharge DP is so good for recovery and regeneration that it can make other regen/recovery buffs practically moot, and that might create more options for focusing on other things.  On a Dominator with a lot of control that can expect to hit a lot of targets, Drain Psyche is likely to have a better survival benefit than MoB.
Title: Re: Character Optimization - All Psi Dominator
Post by: ukaserex on September 23, 2014, 10:14:51 AM
I'd have to agree about Drain Psyche. Although on a Dom it's not a defining power, it's darned useful.

I'm no expert on Dominators, admittedly. But, I had a fire/mental blaster that used Drain Psyche almost as often as fireball. With Domination, it's use wouldn't be as critical, but without perma-dom, I would think Drain Psyche would be a nifty, useful power to have.
Title: Re: Character Optimization - All Psi Dominator
Post by: blacksly on September 23, 2014, 02:44:42 PM
Quote from: JanessaVR on September 23, 2014, 05:07:17 AM
Well, I'd say my highest priorities were lockdown ability, recharge (especially since I eschewed Hasten), recovery/endurance, and damage.

Take Drain Psyche.
Why would you 3-slot Celerity? And Flight is overslotted, I think. Especially if you take Drain Psyche for the Recovery boost.

You have 5 single-target ranged attacks other than the Snipe, plus Confuse. I think that's too many single target powers, and I'd drop the Snipe.

If you want more Defense, instead of 4-slotting Stealth, max the Recharge on Link Minds, and put in the last Contagious Confusion slot in Confuse.

Mass Hypnosis makes sense (a bit) for a Controller since it sets up Containment, but I don't think it has much use for a Dominator.

Title: Re: Character Optimization - All Psi Dominator
Post by: JanessaVR on September 23, 2014, 05:51:54 PM
Title: Re: Character Optimization - All Psi Dominator
Post by: Angel Phoenix77 on September 23, 2014, 06:47:12 PM
A few things, I would change hover into a different power at 49 it is not needed. Also I thought you were only allowed 1 global recharge in any power please correct me if I am wrong.
Title: Re: Character Optimization - All Psi Dominator
Post by: Fridgy Daiere on September 23, 2014, 06:50:44 PM
She may have taken Hover specifically as a mule for that LotG + recharge.  You are correct; one's the limit.
Title: Re: Character Optimization - All Psi Dominator
Post by: JanessaVR on September 23, 2014, 06:55:03 PM
Quote from: Fridgy Daiere on September 23, 2014, 06:50:44 PM
She may have taken Hover specifically as a mule for that LotG + recharge.  You are correct; one's the limit.
Correct, Hover's just there for my 5th (and therefore last), LotG: Recharge.  I would never actually use it.
Title: Re: Character Optimization - All Psi Dominator
Post by: primeknight on September 25, 2014, 11:57:06 PM
I have a similar concept for my main but I went controller with mind/kin.  It's a very offensive character and I also use both fly and teleport.  During my initial trek to 50 I was avoiding hasten as well until they implemented the controller changes with doubled area-hold cool down time and halved area-hold duration time.  I took hasten to offset a part of that nerf.  And I almost went with the epic pool with power boost, but I ended up staying with concept and took psi instead.

I probably play similar to you in that I like to play at range for safety, I like to use fly, teleport and stealth as well.   But I have a scrapper-y nature too so sometimes I get into melee to both fill that scrapper void and to fully utilize the kin in "Kintroller".  My tactics might help in your quest to be awesome:

Hover/Flight: My controller was played and designed to rarely touch the ground for concept reasons, but during playing I found that getting a bird's eye view of the battle allowed for easier ranged targeting and controller.  It also helped to have a suppression-less ability usable for quick escapes (when I forgot I had teleport) Hover was slotted up to maximum speed.  (Kin is nice because siphon speed made hover speed = fly speed)

Combat Jumping:  This power is wonderful: I first took it to be able to ignore immobilizes (which on a kin can be fatal).  A good teleporter can probably get around this (teleport was added a few respecs later so in the heat of battle I tended to forget I had it).  CJ has the added effect to make flight movement acceleration/deceleration instant.  And CJ acts as a mule for LotG +Global Recharge.  Also CJ + hurdle is a great combo if hovering and flying all the time isn't your thing.

Single Target Attacks:  As a mind/, levitate, dominate, and mesmerize are the bread and butter of the attack chain.  However one thing I wish I had was another attack since dominate is slotted for hold.  Dominators have lots of options so picking and slotting all the extra attacks is probably the hard part; so how many stat changing attacks is up to you, but 3 or four good single target attacks is usually all I ever need.  I always wanted to get the psi epic Psionic Dart (or whatever it was called), but was never able to figure out how to fit it in and slot it. 

Attack Focus:  My general focus when going offensive is using my two main area attacks: Terrify and Psionic Tornado.  As a controller my first attack was always an area "hold" of some sort to increase average damage output either via containment or confuse damage and then a melee ranged fulcrum shift.  But a dominator should have all the control plus more area attacks for a nice combination of safety and damage.  At least solo, fulcrum shift probably isn't as useful as having the multiple area attacks the Dominators have access to. 

Note:  All this is based on my specific play style and I was far from a min/max kind of a guy.  I also tried to have as many tools at my disposal which made a mind/kin a lot of fun (except when trying to solo an AV or GM)

Incarnate Powers:  Remember because this may be your Main, you're required to incarnate your dude/girl out to the most ridiculous extent possible.  My personal favorites for my play style were:
Alpha: Endurance
Judgment: Ion
Interface: Fire AoT
Destiny: Barrier
Lore: Lightning Elemental
Remember to keep those in mind while you're dominating the game. 
Title: Re: Character Optimization - All Psi Dominator
Post by: HEATSTROKE on September 26, 2014, 02:19:40 AM
 several things I dont understand... the over slotting of fly.. I dont understand why you took so many Teleport  powers... and Dominators arent as squishy as you think.. foes that are held. stunned feared... etc etc cant hurt  you... by not taking your melee and the big AoE attack you are not taking some of your better damage powers in the set..

 Maybe Its just me.. but i never take the snipes for Dominators.. animations are too long.. im better off spamming my mezzes and attacks....
Title: Re: Character Optimization - All Psi Dominator
Post by: JanessaVR on September 26, 2014, 02:52:14 AM
Quote from: HEATSTROKE on September 26, 2014, 02:19:40 AM
Several things I don't understand... the over-slotting of Fly...I don't understand why you took so many Teleport powers...and Dominators aren't as squishy as you think...foes that are held, stunned, feared...etc can't hurt you...by not taking your melee and the big AoE attack you are not taking some of your better damage powers in the set.

Maybe it's just me...but I never take the snipes for Dominators...animations are too long...I'm better off spamming my mezzes and attacks...
I'm not sure why you think Fly is overslotted - as I said, it's really my favorite power in the game and I tend to have it on nearly all the time.  Ergo, I want it to be fast and cost as little endurance as possible.

Recall Friend is used near constantly as I'm prone to stealthing missions to the end room and then grabbing the rest of the team to join me.  Teleport gives me further immediate mobility, and Long Range Teleport lets me jump zones without bothering to have to visit a train station (or my SG base).

As for melee, you might want to risk getting that close to your enemies, but I'm always leery of that.  There's also a stylistic choice - I prefer to zap enemies from afar rather than run up and punch them in the face.  You might say Doms aren't squishy but that certainly wasn't my experience - I learned to keep my distance from the scrapper-type opponents or they could ruin my day real quickly.  Especially in large groups, if I'm that up close and personal, I might not get every enemy locked down before they were onto me, pounding me into the pavement.  But if I'm hovering 50' up in the air, my odds were much, much higher, as not all enemies can fly or have ranged attacks.  This is another area where a well-slotted Fly came in handy - against purely melee-type enemies, as I long as I stayed hovering up out of reach, I was untouchable and even if it took a while, I could whittle them down with impunity.

As for the snipes, if you hang back from the action, one of the benefits is being able to ride out the interrupt period and slam down some serious damage from a nice, comfortable distance.
Title: Re: Character Optimization - All Psi Dominator
Post by: primeknight on September 26, 2014, 05:01:12 PM
Quote from: JanessaVR on September 26, 2014, 02:52:14 AM
I'm not sure why you think Fly is overslotted - as I said, it's really my favorite power in the game and I tend to have it on nearly all the time.  Ergo, I want it to be fast and cost as little endurance as possible.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong:  Fly speed is at max from the start without needing any enhancements.  This was due to making it on par with all the fly temporary powers that were added throughout the years.  And the Dev's decided that if someone actually takes a power it should be equal to or better than a temporary power. 

Hover is a much more useful power in battle do to suppression (also and again, siphon speed is wonderful for getting hover up to the speed cap so my perspectives are different, but enhanced hover is still very nice)
Title: Re: Character Optimization - All Psi Dominator
Post by: JanessaVR on September 26, 2014, 05:39:36 PM
Quote from: primeknight on September 26, 2014, 05:01:12 PM
Someone correct me if I'm wrong:  Fly speed is at max from the start without needing any enhancements.  This was due to making it on par with all the fly temporary powers that were added throughout the years.  And the Dev's decided that if someone actually takes a power it should be equal to or better than a temporary power. 
That certainly wasn't my experience.  I noticed a difference when I slotted IOs versus just empty slots.  And the raptor packs were definitely slower than Fly.


Quote from: primeknight on September 26, 2014, 05:01:12 PM
Hover is a much more useful power in battle do to suppression (also and again, siphon speed is wonderful for getting hover up to the speed cap so my perspectives are different, but enhanced hover is still very nice)
Hover's useful in battle, true, but it's a terrible travel power, which is what I also used Fly for.
Title: Re: Character Optimization - All Psi Dominator
Post by: Arcana on September 26, 2014, 07:18:55 PM
Quote from: primeknight on September 26, 2014, 05:01:12 PM
Someone correct me if I'm wrong:  Fly speed is at max from the start without needing any enhancements.

My recollection was that Fly was maxed with a single enhancement, although I forget of what strength.  I don't think it was capped out of the box, but practically any slotting at all got you there.
Title: Re: Character Optimization - All Psi Dominator
Post by: HEATSTROKE on September 27, 2014, 01:53:42 AM
 It is also my understanding that flight maxes out with a single IO enhancement.. I have never slotted fly with more than one level 35 IO.. I have however slotted Hover and Swift with flight enhancements.. and you will be surprised how maneuverable hover becomes... Very very effective in combat because there is no suppression..
 
Title: Re: Character Optimization - All Psi Dominator
Post by: JanessaVR on September 27, 2014, 05:39:26 AM
Quote from: HEATSTROKE on September 27, 2014, 01:53:42 AM
It is also my understanding that flight maxes out with a single IO enhancement.. I have never slotted fly with more than one level 35 IO.. I have however slotted Hover and Swift with flight enhancements.. and you will be surprised how maneuverable hover becomes... Very very effective in combat because there is no suppression..
Yes, Hover is good in combat, but even triple Flight slotted, it's a poor travel power (I've tried that).

As for Fly, I might be able to reduce it to one Flight IO, but I still need 2 Endurance Reductions, so it will still be 3 slots at least.
Title: Re: Character Optimization - All Psi Dominator
Post by: Arcana on September 27, 2014, 09:58:57 AM
Quote from: JanessaVR on September 27, 2014, 05:39:26 AM
Yes, Hover is good in combat, but even triple Flight slotted, it's a poor travel power (I've tried that).

As for Fly, I might be able to reduce it to one Flight IO, but I still need 2 Endurance Reductions, so it will still be 3 slots at least.

If you are only using it for travel, its endurance cost is not critical.  It used to be 1.0 eps, but that was reduced to just under 0.5 eps and at that burn rate a single endred would make it trivial to use for travel even with all your toggles on.  A lot of people remember its original endurance burn rate and never bothered to drop back on slotting when it was reduced.

In fact, I used to use Fly with just one Microfilament slotted (the HO with fly/end enhancement).  Those were usually cheap to get after inventions came out and slot 33% flight, jump, and end reduce, perfect for flight.
Title: Re: Character Optimization - All Psi Dominator
Post by: ukaserex on September 27, 2014, 12:47:35 PM
Title: Re: Character Optimization - All Psi Dominator
Post by: JanessaVR on September 27, 2014, 07:10:25 PM
Ok, some adjustments made.

After all the comments here, I decided to lookup Flight on ParagonWiki.  It says that, as of Issue 18, Fly is already at Flight Cap by character level.  If that's the case, then all I need to worry about is the Endurance cost.

Unslotted, it's 0.69s
With 1 Endurance Reduction IO, it's 0.53s
With 2 Endurance Reduction IOs, it's 0.44s - so I'll go with 2 of these here

I then moved the one of the newly freed-up slots to Rest (always irritating to have either regenerated either Health or Endurance but still be waiting on the other one to finish up), and then put the other one into Indomitable Will, upping its Defense.

Thanks for helping me free up 2 more slots - to all of my builds, as that was standard Fly slotting for me.  :)
Title: Re: Character Optimization - All Psi Dominator
Post by: JanessaVR on September 27, 2014, 07:15:58 PM
Quote from: ukaserex on September 27, 2014, 12:47:35 PM
I would - however- maybe a couple of years after the game is up - and if your characters have the resources (inf), suggest you try one of the builds as suggested - pretend you like being in melee as a "squishy". With the set bonuses from IO's, squishies are really not that squishy anymore.

A blaster is considered squishy, right? I'd have my celerity stealth, zip in to melee with SS, use drain psyche, zip back out and it was clobbering time.
Yeah, every now and then, a mob might get a lick in before I could get out. (darned suppression) But, that was just one lick, maybe two. Once I zipped out, they were too busy chasing me to hit me. And - I stumbled upon that style of play, just by trying one of the builds that didn't seem to fit my playstyle at all. I preferred SJ to SS and back then, flight was agonizingly slow for me, even though I enjoyed being afk enroute to mission doors that were a long ways away. (gotta eat sometimes)

Just my two cents.
I have considered this, but, if I go with that, an Arachnos Widow / Fortunata is a much better choice.  And that was, in fact, my alternate build for this concept.

Actually, here's that build:

Design Notes:

1)  This is another all-Psi build - I deliberately avoided any melee powers.
2)  Hasten was again avoided on purpose.

[build deleted from here - I'm moving it to its own thread under Arachnos Widows]
Title: Re: Character Optimization - All Psi Dominator
Post by: Arcana on September 27, 2014, 08:41:28 PM
Quote from: JanessaVR on September 27, 2014, 07:10:25 PM
Ok, some adjustments made.

After all the comments here, I decided to lookup Flight on ParagonWiki.  It says that, as of Issue 18, Fly is already at Flight Cap by character level.  If that's the case, then all I need to worry about is the Endurance cost.

Unslotted, it's 0.69s
With 1 Endurance Reduction IO, it's 0.53s
With 2 Endurance Reduction IOs, it's 0.44s - so I'll go with 2 of these here

I then moved the one of the newly freed-up slots to Rest (always irritating to have either regenerated either Health or Endurance but still be waiting on the other one to finish up), and then put the other one into Indomitable Will, upping its Defense.

Thanks for helping me free up 2 more slots - to all of my builds, as that was standard Fly slotting for me.  :)

In I23, flight burns 0.455 eps unslotted.  See: http://tomax.cohtitan.com/data/powers/power.php?id=Pool.Flight.Fly&at=Class_Dominator

0.2275 endurance with 0.5s activation time, which means eps is 0.2275 / 0.5 = 0.455 eps.

Unslotted it burns about as much as you wanted it to burn 2-slotted above.

Note: Mids shows your cost for flight.  I'm not sure why, as my records suggest Flight's cost was 0.455 from at least I22.  It was changed some time between I18 and I22 from 1.0 eps to that value.  Originally, Flight's cost was 2.0 eps but that was changed a few years after launch.
Title: Re: Character Optimization - All Psi Dominator
Post by: JanessaVR on September 27, 2014, 08:55:46 PM
Quote from: Arcana on September 27, 2014, 08:41:28 PM
In I23, flight burns 0.455 eps unslotted.  See: http://tomax.cohtitan.com/data/powers/power.php?id=Pool.Flight.Fly&at=Class_Dominator

0.2275 endurance with 0.5s activation time, which means eps is 0.2275 / 0.5 = 0.455 eps.

Unslotted it burns about as much as you wanted it to burn 2-slotted above.

Note: Mids shows your cost for flight.  I'm not sure why, as my records suggest Flight's cost was 0.455 from at least I22.  It was changed some time between I18 and I22 from 1.0 eps to that value.  Originally, Flight's cost was 2.0 eps but that was changed a few years after launch.
So, you're saying Mids isn't showing me accurate #'s for Fly?  In the absence of a working game, it's what I have to go by.  Those 0.69 / 0.53 / 0.44 figures were taken directly from Mids today.  I'm used to taking Mids #'s as gospel, but if that's not true - everything about my builds is called into question.
Title: Re: Character Optimization - All Psi Dominator
Post by: Arcana on September 27, 2014, 09:27:47 PM
Quote from: JanessaVR on September 27, 2014, 08:55:46 PM
So, you're saying Mids isn't showing me accurate #'s for Fly?  In the absence of a working game, it's what I have to go by.  Those 0.69 / 0.53 / 0.44 figures were taken directly from Mids today.  I'm used to taking Mids #'s as gospel, but if that's not true - everything about my builds is called into question.

I generally trust Mids myself, which is why the discrepancy is odd to me.  I spot check Mids numbers on all my builds constantly, and this is the first mistake I've seen in quite a while.  Whether its a Mids mistake or an Arcana mistake is something I'm still investigating.

For now, I would still trust Mids in general.  Nothing's perfect (neither Mids nor me) but such numerical glitches in Mids have always been very rare except where Mids notes the issue itself (particularly on very complex definition powers).

Why I think its a Mids mistake and not an Arcana mistake is that whenever I see someone or something claiming the devs set the endurance cost of something to "0.69" or something like that, I get suspicious.  I know the devs rarely did that.  Setting it to 0.2275 per tick (flight ticks 2 per second) is the kind of numbers they used to use, unless they came from a formula (in fact, I wouldn't be surprised to learn the devs wanted to set flight to "just under half eps" and tried to set it to 0.45, mentally divided by 2 incorrectly, and instead of setting flight to 0.225 per tick they set it to 0.2275 per tick).
Title: Re: Character Optimization - All Psi Dominator
Post by: JanessaVR on September 27, 2014, 09:58:32 PM
Well, actually, the 0.69s is the base cost with Cardiac Core Paragon slotted.  The actual base cost I'm seeing in Mids is 1.0s for Fly, if I remove the Incarnate ability from the equation.  I always take Cardiac Core Paragon, however, as with my playstyle, extra Endurance and extra Range are always good things.

Without it, the #'s are: 1.0s / 0.7s / 0.55s for Fly.
Title: Re: Character Optimization - All Psi Dominator
Post by: Arcana on September 27, 2014, 11:04:33 PM
Quote from: JanessaVR on September 27, 2014, 09:58:32 PM
Well, actually, the 0.69s is the base cost with Cardiac Core Paragon slotted.  The actual base cost I'm seeing in Mids is 1.0s for Fly, if I remove the Incarnate ability from the equation.  I always take Cardiac Core Paragon, however, as with my playstyle, extra Endurance and extra Range are always good things.

Without it, the #'s are: 1.0s / 0.7s / 0.55s for Fly.

Ah.  Then 1.0 is the old number, before it was updated.  Not sure how that slipped by, but it makes a lot more sense now.
Title: Re: Character Optimization - All Psi Dominator
Post by: JanessaVR on September 27, 2014, 11:37:57 PM
Quote from: Arcana on September 27, 2014, 11:04:33 PM
Ah.  Then 1.0 is the old number, before it was updated.  Not sure how that slipped by, but it makes a lot more sense now.
I've been trying to find this in ParagonWiki.  Do you have a reference, or does ParagonWiki need to be updated with figures from your notes?  And how can I update Mids with the new figures?
Title: Re: Character Optimization - All Psi Dominator
Post by: blacksly on September 27, 2014, 11:51:44 PM
Quote from: JanessaVR on September 27, 2014, 11:37:57 PM
I've been trying to find this in ParagonWiki.  Do you have a reference, or does ParagonWiki need to be updated with figures from your notes?  And how can I update Mids with the new figures?

Updating Mids is easy.
1: Run it (make sure you have Write access to its folder, or Run as Administrator)
2: Options -> Advanced -> Database Editor from the menu at the top of the Mids window
3: Main Database Editor button
4: set Left window (Group) -> Pool
4.1: set Middle window (Set) -> Flight
4.2: set Right window (Power) -> Fly
4.3: hit Edit button under Power (bottom right)
5: 2nd tab is Power Attributes, go into it and change the Endurance Cost from .5 to .2275
6: Hit OK on the power, then Save and Close

Restart Mid's and it should use the new numbers.
Title: Re: Character Optimization - All Psi Dominator
Post by: JanessaVR on September 28, 2014, 12:00:30 AM
Quote from: blacksly on September 27, 2014, 11:51:44 PM
Updating Mids is easy.
1: Run it (make sure you have Write access to its folder, or Run as Administrator)
2: Options -> Advanced -> Database Editor from the menu at the top of the Mids window
3: Main Database Editor button
4: set Left window (Group) -> Pool
4.1: set Middle window (Set) -> Flight
4.2: set Right window (Power) -> Fly
4.3: hit Edit button under Power (bottom right)
5: 2nd tab is Power Attributes, go into it and change the Endurance Cost from .5 to .2275
6: Hit OK on the power, then Save and Close

Restart Mid's and it should use the new numbers.
Awesome!  Thanks for the very precise directions there - only took a few seconds.
Title: Re: Character Optimization - All Psi Dominator
Post by: ukaserex on September 28, 2014, 12:18:26 AM
Quote from: blacksly on September 27, 2014, 11:51:44 PM
Updating Mids is easy.
1: Run it (make sure you have Write access to its folder, or Run as Administrator)
2: Options -> Advanced -> Database Editor from the menu at the top of the Mids window
3: Main Database Editor button
4: set Left window (Group) -> Pool
4.1: set Middle window (Set) -> Flight
4.2: set Right window (Power) -> Fly
4.3: hit Edit button under Power (bottom right)
5: 2nd tab is Power Attributes, go into it and change the Endurance Cost from .5 to .2275
6: Hit OK on the power, then Save and Close

Restart Mid's and it should use the new numbers.

Yowza! I had no idea we could do that! I'm going to have to save these directions in case I ever need them...
Title: Re: Character Optimization - All Psi Dominator
Post by: HEATSTROKE on September 28, 2014, 01:38:30 AM
 Here is my Issue 24 Fortunata Build which you might want to use as a comparison.. My build does include Hasten.. I do it on almost every character but the glow doesnt bother me.. also if Coh 1.5 comes out with Issue 24 we would be able to turn off the hasten glow effect..

 I dont have TP and for me there would be no reason why my character would have the ability to TP people. I dont connect Mental Prowess with ability to move people through Space Time instantaneously..

 This build is softcapped to everything except Psi but is softcapped to every other damage type and Melee, Ranged and AoE. It is also perma hasten and perma Mind Link which is huge..

Villain Plan by Mids' Villain Designer 1.96
http://www.cohplanner.com/

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Psicosis: Level 50 Natural Arachnos Widow
Primary Power Set: Fortunata Training
Secondary Power Set: Fortunata Teamwork
Power Pool: Flight
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fighting

Villain Profile:
Level 1: Mental Blast -- Decim-Acc/Dmg(A), Decim-Dmg/EndRdx(3), Decim-Dmg/Rchg(3), Decim-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(15), Decim-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(29), HO:Nucle(29)
Level 1: Combat Training: Defensive -- DefBuff-I(A), DefBuff-I(43), DefBuff-I(43)
Level 2: Telekinetic Blast -- Decim-Acc/Dmg(A), Decim-Dmg/EndRdx(7), Decim-Dmg/Rchg(7), Decim-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(11), Decim-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(19), HO:Nucle(19)
Level 4: Subdue -- SDoArach-Acc/Dmg(A), SDoArach-Dmg/Rchg(11), SDoArach-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(21), SDoArach-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(21), SDoArach-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(23)
Level 6: Hover -- Flight-I(A)
Level 8: Psychic Scream -- Posi-Acc/Dmg(A), Posi-Dmg/EndRdx(9), Posi-Dmg/Rchg(9), Posi-Dmg/Rng(13), Posi-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(13), SDoArach-Rchg/DmgFear%(23)
Level 10: Indomitable Will -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 12: Dominate -- Decim-Acc/Dmg(A), Decim-Dmg/EndRdx(37), Decim-Dmg/Rchg(37), Decim-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(37), Decim-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(39), HO:Perox(48)
Level 14: Fly -- Flight-I(A)
Level 16: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(17), RechRdx-I(17)
Level 18: Psionic Tornado -- Posi-Acc/Dmg(A), Posi-Dmg/EndRdx(39), Posi-Dmg/Rchg(39), Posi-Dmg/Rng(40), Posi-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(46), OvForce-Dam/KB(46)
Level 20: Mask Presence -- LkGmblr-Def(A), LkGmblr-Rchg+(40), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(40)
Level 22: Foresight -- LkGmblr-Def(A), LkGmblr-Rchg+(46)
Level 24: Mind Link -- LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(A), LkGmblr-Def/Rchg(25), LkGmblr-EndRdx/Rchg(25), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(27), LkGmblr-Def(36), LkGmblr-Rchg+(36)
Level 26: Total Domination -- BasGaze-Acc/Hold(A), BasGaze-Acc/Rchg(27), BasGaze-Rchg/Hold(31), BasGaze-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(31), RechRdx-I(31), HO:Endo(34)
Level 28: Tactical Training: Maneuvers -- LkGmblr-Def(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(43), LkGmblr-Rchg+(45)
Level 30: Boxing -- Acc-I(A)
Level 32: Psychic Wail -- Oblit-Dmg(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(33), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(33), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(33), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(34), HO:Nucle(34)
Level 35: Tough -- S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(A), S'fstPrt-ResKB(36)
Level 38: Weave -- LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(A), LkGmblr-Def(48), LkGmblr-Rchg+(50), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(50)
Level 41: Confuse -- CoPers-Conf(A), CoPers-Conf/Rchg(42), CoPers-Acc/Conf/Rchg(45), CoPers-Acc/Rchg(45), CoPers-Conf%(48)
Level 44: Aim -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 47: Tactical Training: Assault -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 49: Tactical Training: Leadership -- EndRdx-I(A), Rec'dRet-Pcptn(50)
Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Dash -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Slide -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Quick -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Rush -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Surge -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Run-I(A)
Level 1: Conditioning
Level 2: Rest -- Heal-I(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift -- Flight-I(A)
Level 2: Health -- Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(A), Numna-Heal(15), Mrcl-Rcvry+(42)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- EndMod-I(A), EndMod-I(5), P'Shift-EndMod(5), P'Shift-End%(42)
Level 50: Spectral Total Radial Conversion
Level 50: Seers Total Core Improved Ally
Level 50: Rebirth Partial Radial Invocation
Level 50: Assault Radial Embodiment
Level 50: Agility Core Paragon
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Set Bonus Totals:






Title: Re: Character Optimization - All Psi Dominator
Post by: JanessaVR on September 28, 2014, 02:29:50 AM
Quote from: HEATSTROKE on September 28, 2014, 01:38:30 AM
Here is my Issue 24 Fortunata Build which you might want to use as a comparison.. My build does include Hasten.. I do it on almost every character but the glow doesnt bother me.. also if Coh 1.5 comes out with Issue 24 we would be able to turn off the hasten glow effect..
Optimized this a bit for you, within the framework you've chosen.  :)

Click this DataLink to open this build in Mids! (http://www.cohplanner.com/mids/download.php?uc=1552&c=715&a=1430&f=HEX&dc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
Title: Re: Character Optimization - All Psi Dominator
Post by: HEATSTROKE on September 28, 2014, 03:42:01 AM
Quote from: JanessaVR on September 28, 2014, 02:29:50 AM
Optimized this a bit for you, within the framework you've chosen.  :)

Click this DataLink to open this build in Mids! (http://www.cohplanner.com/mids/download.php?uc=1552&c=715&a=1430&f=HEX&dc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

Nice Build...

but I rarely if ever slot with Purples (except on Dominators where I want all the recharge I can get). I would however slot Armageddon in Psychic Wail but I wouldnt Six Slot Stamina. Efficacy Adaptor is a good set.. but not worth the six slots for me..  And adding two Gift of the Ancients to get a 2% end bonus is not worth giving up 10% regen and another 9% accuracy across every power.. I wouldnt have any end issues with a Numina +regen/recovery a Miracle Recovery and the Perf Shift +End proc going off..

Your build did however show me some useless slotting I had.. so I moved a few slots around and gained a little more regen and accuracy.. 

Title: Re: Character Optimization - All Psi Dominator
Post by: JanessaVR on September 28, 2014, 04:37:04 AM
Quote from: HEATSTROKE on September 28, 2014, 03:42:01 AM
Nice Build...

but I rarely if ever slot with Purples (except on Dominators where I want all the recharge I can get). I would however slot Armageddon in Psychic Wail but I wouldnt Six Slot Stamina. Efficacy Adaptor is a good set.. but not worth the six slots for me..  And adding two Gift of the Ancients to get a 2% end bonus is not worth giving up 10% regen and another 9% accuracy across every power.. I wouldnt have any end issues with a Numina +regen/recovery a Miracle Recovery and the Perf Shift +End proc going off..

Your build did however show me some useless slotting I had.. so I moved a few slots around and gained a little more regen and accuracy..
Glad I could help a bit.  Just goes to show people have different design goals and playstyles.  I barely care about Regeneration, but go out of my way for Range, Recharge, and Recovery.  I 6-slot Stamina not just for every bit of Stamina I can get, but also for another 5% Recharge.  In short, I know that unless I'm playing a melee-type, then I'm essentially a glass cannon.  So I don't bother trying too hard to try to be a tough/regen type and figure the best defense is actually to be able to lock down enemies before they can hurt me - and keeping as much distance from them as I can.

About the useless slotting, sometimes that's a bit of trial and error.  A lot of times, I discover that in many powers the difference between 2x IOs and 3x IOs of the same type is so little that I might as well move that slot somewhere else where it can do more good.  I practically compare Mids design sessions to writing.  First you achieve a first draft, then polish it up several times in later sessions.
Title: Re: Character Optimization - All Psi Dominator
Post by: JanessaVR on June 30, 2015, 11:11:25 PM
Build has been updated as per forum feedback.
Title: Re: Character Optimization - All Psi Dominator
Post by: JanessaVR on July 02, 2015, 08:17:46 PM
Build updated again as per forum feedback.  The last few days have seen a plethora of good suggestions on my other builds posted here, and those changes are being reflected here as well.