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Title: Arrow Season 5
Post by: CG on July 25, 2016, 01:54:59 PM
Edit: old link wasn't working

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAdPIlkE_Cg

Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: CG on September 23, 2016, 01:37:07 PM
Premiere: Wednesday, October 5th, 2016 at 8 pm
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: saipaman on September 23, 2016, 05:59:06 PM
If that's Wild Dog in the trailer, then any obscure DC character has a chance to make it to television.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: CG on September 23, 2016, 07:11:10 PM
I'm hoping for some pithy comments about Oliver in a goalie mask as a vigilante (as per Casey Jones)
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Mandu on September 25, 2016, 02:18:57 AM
If that's Wild Dog in the trailer, then any obscure DC character has a chance to make it to television.

Well they need somebody who is a Punisher type and they can't user Deadshot any more.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: saipaman on September 25, 2016, 04:40:46 AM
Wild Dog also has the virtue of being easy on the special effects budget.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Vee on October 06, 2016, 06:50:21 AM
To honor the Black Canary we've commissioned Mrs. Johnson's 4th grade art class to produce this delicious chocolate statue!
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Tenzhi on October 06, 2016, 12:26:43 PM
Parachute arrow...  seriously...
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Vee on October 06, 2016, 01:19:28 PM
Spoiler for Hidden:
My favorite part was how Oliver was so insistent that the complete stranger already operating as a vigilante who clearly has combat training and evidently can disarm bombs not be allowed to keep being a vigilante. But the guy he actually knows who gets jacked by common street thugs when sent out on recon and has a kid is in without argument.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: eabrace on October 20, 2016, 12:37:00 AM
I laugh every time they say "stardust."
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Tenzhi on October 20, 2016, 12:36:52 PM
Liked the Terrific mask and jacket (and the Sloane reference for good measure).

A fun little nod to Amell's role as Casey Jones.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Mandu on October 21, 2016, 01:44:04 AM
I like the look of the Terrific outfit but I really wish Curtis were more competent.  Laurel or Roy can train for a couple weeks and be kicking ass.  But an Olympic athlete and scientific genius turns into Gilligan when he is in action.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Vee on October 23, 2016, 12:23:53 AM
I laugh every time they say "stardust."

Seems like he could have avoided all that fighting and just licked them by smiling.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: CG on October 24, 2016, 02:59:11 PM
I'm not sure where Arrow's obsession with "no secrets" came from.  Fundamentally, Oliver is a murderous vigilante whose identity needs to be kept secret.  Being a vigilante, and therefore keeping secrets, is the font from which everything else on the show flows.  Frankly secrets and trust should be an ongoing issue in the show, but more shades of grey than the ridiculous Felicity standard from last season.

While Oliver might have been a sociopath when training the new recruits and he needs to trust them to operate within their capacities in the field, that should build over time before revealing his identity to them.  I'm assuming this is a TV genre convention we should overlook somehow?  What if one of the recruits (who don't have any attachment to Oliver and whom Oliver was just beating the snot out of) decided to go to the news for a fat cheque and an interview?

The fight/action scenes in the first couple of episodes have been visceral and dramatic.  I really like it.  One that springs to mind is when Oliver fired an explosive arrow at the pillar and Church flies across the room.  That's a pretty good stunt.

Also, the Green Arrow has started killing?  Is nobody in the city going to make the connection to the current GA's tactics and the old Hood's tactics from a couple years ago, Roy Harper's death not withstanding.  I suppose superb archers in hoods are a dime a dozen in Star city...

Finally - when does Oliver sleep?
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Excidia on October 27, 2016, 01:43:50 PM
Speaking of Vigilante, was that a flash of DA Chase in costume during the next episode preview last night?

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Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Vee on October 28, 2016, 06:29:20 AM
I want to see an infomercial for that 'anti-molecular compound'. Several squirts dissolves concrete in seconds! One spray instantly dissolves steel! And it won't eat through its handy container! Call now!
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: eabrace on October 29, 2016, 12:10:53 AM
And it won't eat through its handy container!
Actually, that part wouldn't be hard to explain.  It's probably stored as two halves of a compound (like epoxy) that spray at the same time and react when they combine.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Super Firebug on November 03, 2016, 08:44:05 PM
Some reaction videos have theorized that Prometheus is Tommy Merlyn, back from the dead. But, now that they've announced Talia's presence this season, I was thinking that maybe she was Prometheus, looking for revenge for Oliver's having killed her father and turned the League over to Malcolm Merlyn. However, she'll be played by Lexa Doig, and, as petite as she is, and as beefy as Church is, I don't know that she'd be able to slam him to the ground like Prometheus did at the end of "The Recruits".

Also, Lexa Doig as Talia! Blastr's article mentioned Continuum and Stargate: SG-1 as projects of hers, but they left out her five seasons on Andromeda. For shame.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Vee on November 05, 2016, 09:36:43 AM
So evidently the assassin was supposed to be 'another big DCU character named Scimitar' (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF5HH77mtjE&feature=youtu.be). So big that no one other than the Arrow producers have ever heard of him. And you'd think if you're going to call a guy that you might want to, y'know, give him a scimitar? But then the 'big' character they just made up might've infringed on the actual Marvel character.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: CG on November 07, 2016, 02:20:40 PM
In reference to the
Spoiler for Hidden:
picture of Oliver in Russia when he was supposed to be on the island

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2g5Hz17C4is

Also this: https://www.google.ca/search?q=people+who+look+like+twins+but+aren%27t+related&biw=1342&bih=929&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiYov2f6ZbQAhWK14MKHezgDw0Q_AUIBigB

Spoiler for Hidden:
"Here are the facts: I was on the Queens Gambit when it sank in the ocean and I was found on a deserted island 5 years later.  So let me get this straight, you are saying that somehow I ended up in Russia with gangsters prior to being discovered on the island?  They dropped me off there for some reason? Also - did you catch the news last week when I was impersonated?"
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: CG on November 11, 2016, 02:41:47 PM
Babylon 5! \m/
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Super Firebug on November 14, 2016, 02:12:36 AM
It's occurred to me that Talia may not be Prometheus, but she could be behind Prometheus.

Spoiler for Hidden:
Remember the drug that Malcolm used to control Thea into killing Sara? Right now, my main suspicion is that Talia's using that on Quentin. But the big hole in that possibility is, where does Quentin get the physical prowess that Prometheus has shown?
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Excidia on November 14, 2016, 01:37:29 PM
Spoiler for Hidden:
But the big hole in that possibility is, where does Quentin get the physical prowess that Prometheus has shown?

It's magic.  Forzare!

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Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: saipaman on November 14, 2016, 07:13:36 PM
I suspect Felicity's boyfriend.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: CG on November 17, 2016, 02:21:02 PM
Spoiler for Hidden:
Wow.  Telling total strangers your secret identity right out of the gate bit you in the ass?  I never saw that coming...

That said, I am interested in what Artemis' beef is.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: eabrace on November 17, 2016, 08:44:58 PM
Spoiler for Hidden:
Wow.  Telling total strangers your secret identity right out of the gate bit you in the ass?  I never saw that coming...

That said, I am interested in what Artemis' beef is.
Spoiler for Hidden:
Maybe she's secretly Slade Wilson's daughter.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Mandu on November 19, 2016, 02:44:34 AM
Spoiler for Hidden:
Wow.  Telling total strangers your secret identity right out of the gate bit you in the ass?  I never saw that coming...

That said, I am interested in what Artemis' beef is.

Spoiler for Hidden:
Not a beef.  In the comics and in Young Justice Artemis is the daughter of Sportsmaster who is a extremely skilled fighter whose gimmick is using sports equipment. So either she is the daughter of Prometheus or something similar.  She's doing a Terra/Teen Titans type infiltration.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Super Firebug on December 08, 2016, 02:15:40 AM
Wow. Between The Flash and Arrow, I never thought that it'd be this show that'd leave me impatient for the mid-season hiatus to end. It took me a while to figure out Diggle's deal:

Spoiler for Hidden:
I finally remembered that he's still a fugitive. So, Prometheus must have turned him in.
I'm really glad that I'm recording these mid-season finales; I had to re-watch the end to remember that. Plus, before the shows return, I can refresh my memory by watching them again.

It's going to be a LONG seven weeks.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Vee on December 08, 2016, 08:56:00 AM
You mean to say you can sit through these things twice?

But yeah, that was a pretty good ep by Arrow standards.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Tenzhi on December 08, 2016, 01:29:37 PM
That was eye-rollingly melodramatic. And what an asinine cliffhanger.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Vee on December 08, 2016, 06:58:56 PM
Eye-rollingly melodramatic is SOP for arrow, though flash has been beating it lately since Cisco has upped his melodrama game  to metahuman levels.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: CG on December 09, 2016, 04:04:41 PM
Spoiler for Hidden:
Is Laurel a Time Remnant from Sara telling Darkhe about his future back in the 1980's on LoT?

Is "Laurel" one of those instances where someone completely unrelated happens to look exactly like someone else?  Someone Prometheus trained to act like Laurel? I feel this is far-fetched.  Evil twins (without alternate dimensions) are too soap-opera.

Is Laurel from another Earth?  I feel like this should be outside Prometheus' capabilities.  Unless E2 Black Siren made her own way back for some reason?  Seems like a stretch.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: saipaman on December 09, 2016, 05:55:59 PM
Spoiler for Hidden:
Is Laurel a Time Remnant from Sara telling Darkhe about his future back in the 1980's on LoT?

Is "Laurel" one of those instances where someone completely unrelated happens to look exactly like someone else?  Someone Prometheus trained to act like Laurel? I feel this is far-fetched.  Evil twins (without alternate dimensions) are too soap-opera.

Is Laurel from another Earth?  I feel like this should be outside Prometheus' capabilities.  Unless E2 Black Siren made her own way back for some reason?  Seems like a stretch.

Spoiler for Hidden:
How about a Dominator creation?  Why can't a crossover have lasting repercussions?
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: CG on December 09, 2016, 06:21:15 PM
Spoiler for Hidden:
Read another theory that Talia al'Ghul might have used another Lazarus pit.  Supposedly she's the woman in Russia where Prometheus learned his Arsenal Flips.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Night-Hawk07 on December 09, 2016, 07:06:21 PM
Spoiler for Hidden:
My guess would have been a result of Flashpoint, but in that case she likely wouldn't have died at all and the team (specifically Oliver) wouldn't have mourned her death all season.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Super Firebug on December 10, 2016, 11:45:34 PM
Spoiler for Hidden:
Black Siren's a possibility. If Flashpoint didn't delete her, are we supposed to believe that she's just been sitting in that pipeline cell since mid-May, screaming herself hoarse? Maybe someone with Team Flash briefed her on Earth-1's Oliver being alive and a hero, and having lost his Laurel, and maybe Siren wanted to meet him, and even join Team Arrow. Since the Arrowverse suits don't ignore the hiatus time, Team Arrow would have seven weeks to vet her, and integrate her into the team.

But... it wouldn't make sense for Team Flash to just release her, and let her go to Star City, without saying something to Team Arrow, or sending someone with her to make introductions and explain what's going on.
Just a thought.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Vee on December 11, 2016, 02:04:15 AM
Spoiler for Hidden:
I'm going to go with some explanation involving the delicious chocolate statue of her in the park and a magical top hat.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Super Firebug on December 11, 2016, 11:51:17 PM
For the benefit of anyone else who was also plagued by the familiarity of Prometheus' voice... Michael Dorn!
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: CG on January 27, 2017, 02:42:47 PM
I'm happy with the Digg + Adrian subplot.  Clearly he's supposed to be Vigilante, so he needs some positive character development to counteract his vigilante work. /rimshot

Spoiler for Hidden:
So we finally get to see Talia. Cool!  Why was she looking for Oliver?

I'm surprised that the Laurel plot didn't go longer than a single episode.  It seemed like Prometheus was too! ;)

This season seems like it has more going on.  More threads where characters get to break off from the pack for a little bit before weaving back in.  I like it.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Tenzhi on January 28, 2017, 01:41:34 PM
The only good things about this episode were the subplots with Digg and Curtis.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Mandu on January 28, 2017, 04:14:28 PM
Nice to see somebody finally telling Curtis to use his brain instead of his brawn.  I still don't like the fact that an Olympic athlete is clumsier than people with two weeks training but at least now we should start to see his iconic gadgets.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Tenzhi on February 03, 2017, 02:35:21 PM
Verification via Flash memo... nice.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Vee on February 03, 2017, 10:49:01 PM
Verification via Flash memo... nice.

The neater trick was how he telepathically contacted Barry to do it.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Tenzhi on February 03, 2017, 10:50:53 PM
The neater trick was how he telepathically contacted Barry to do it.

I didn't know texting was telepathy.  I feel cheated by Professor X now.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Vee on February 03, 2017, 11:24:29 PM
Did it show him texting? I must've missed that.

Also do we suppose Felicity's putting the flash drive in the arrow cave computer that she got from the stranger on the dark web is going to cause no problems?
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: eabrace on February 04, 2017, 12:50:57 AM
Did it show him texting? I must've missed that.

Also do we suppose Felicity's putting the flash drive in the arrow cave computer that she got from the stranger on the dark web is going to cause no problems?
I was assuming Felicity's smart enough to be using an air-gapped system.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Tenzhi on February 04, 2017, 03:09:48 AM
For some reason, I found myself thinking that the visuals of opening Pandora were going to hypnotize her into becoming her old hacktivist self.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: CG on February 05, 2017, 03:23:21 PM
Did it show him texting? I must've missed that.
Yes. After Singh doubts him, Oliver takes the phone away from his ear and begins tapping. They don't show the contents of the text, but cut back to Flash putting a post it note on Sings monitor.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Tenzhi on February 09, 2017, 01:45:32 PM
"Go... in case this doesn't work."

Yeah, because she was totally going to get 50+ miles away in 5 minutes.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Super Firebug on February 14, 2017, 06:31:36 PM
When Felicity, Rory and Curtis were playing bratva, I got a real Mod Squad vibe - the little white guy, the tall black guy, and the blonde. With the hair and sunglasses, Curtis even seemed like he was trying to look like Clarence Williams III.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Tenzhi on February 16, 2017, 01:54:32 PM
Odd ratings warning... maybe they crossed some arbitrary squib threshold for the Violence, but what garnered the Language?
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: eabrace on February 17, 2017, 01:56:17 AM
They went out on a limb and debated gun control/ownership.  Touchy subject.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Super Firebug on February 17, 2017, 03:18:58 AM
Disappointing non-episode. Contributed nothing to any of the storylines, outside of maybe the fact that we got Rene's backstory. But the characters were not being themselves. They felt like students in a school play, presenting the stock arguments on the gun-control debate. You could lose the whole episode without compromising one solitary aspect of the season, aside from Thea's suddenly popping up again after her prolonged absence.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Vee on February 17, 2017, 09:16:32 AM
Oh yay, the Arrowverse joins the grand dc tradition of hamfisted PSA oneshots.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Tenzhi on February 17, 2017, 10:29:51 AM
But hamfists do make the best knuckle sandwiches...
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Vee on February 17, 2017, 10:51:18 AM
And even after several handwashes you can still smell the delicious ham goodness.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Night-Hawk07 on February 19, 2017, 03:58:47 AM
Disappointing non-episode. Contributed nothing to any of the storylines, outside of maybe the fact that we got Rene's backstory. But the characters were not being themselves. They felt like students in a school play, presenting the stock arguments on the gun-control debate. You could lose the whole episode without compromising one solitary aspect of the season, aside from Thea's suddenly popping up again after her prolonged absence.

This. At least they tried to come at it from both perspectives, and ultimately came up with a magical solution that pleases both camps.

But I agree, the episode felt off, the characters were plastic, and the overacting was 10x worse than usual. The only redeeming factor was Renee's character development.

They need to stop with trying to "tackle the hard issues" because they aren't very good at it. Star Trek is about the only show that immediately comes to mind that could successfully pull that off.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: CG on February 21, 2017, 04:53:02 PM
I thought their city ordinances that make everyone happy (but we're not going to tell you what they are) was sloppy writing.  If it was that simple that Ollie and Rene could hash it out in an afternoon, it wouldn't be an ongoing discussion for decades on end.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Mandu on March 04, 2017, 04:17:14 PM
This last episode both thrilled me and made me very angry. 

First the good
Spoiler for Hidden:
T-Spheres
.  It's about time.

Now the bad. 
Spoiler for Hidden:
Adrian Chase is Prometheus?  Minor changes to the universe are no big deal but this reminds me of the Hawk/Monarch crap DC pulled once upon a time. The fans know something that is supposed to be a shocking reveal so DC completely changes a major character's motivations, methods, and powers. This is more infuriating than Felicity getting angry about any lie when she herself is a pathological liar.  What is next?  Grodd turns out to be Damien Darhk in a gorilla costume?  J'onn J'onzz is actually Chameleon Boy sent back in time to protect Supergirl from Monel who is secretly Guy Gardner in disguise?
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Vee on March 04, 2017, 05:49:50 PM
They keep this up and in a few weeks we'll find out supergirl is really from Atlantis.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: CG on March 06, 2017, 04:56:02 PM
Spoiler for Hidden:
Sometimes I don't think the show plays fair with us.  They have Adrian get shot and then show Vigilante out and about in the same episode. Clearly a normal human would not be able to be out shooting Oliver when he's got a bullet wound, but then again the show has a hazy relationship with real consequences of injury, so it's possible that Adrian is crazy enough to go out there when he's shot.  Oliver's done similar things. 

So, having Adrian be Prometheus while there's a character called Vigilante is dirty pool. 
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: CG on March 21, 2017, 02:14:25 PM
From the previews for this week, apparently it's Oliver being tortured by Adrian in a room fro 42 minutes.

Hard pass.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Super Firebug on March 21, 2017, 06:04:35 PM
Wild speculation, based on the fact that we haven't seen her in a long time: I wonder if there's any connection between Evelyn and Vigilante. Her desire for vengeance against Oliver would suggest that she wouldn't stay quiet on the sidelines for this long. Has there been any scene, so far, that would exonerate her from actually BEING Vigilante? (Such as, she was with the team while they fought Vig, or something similar.) Although, as I recall, she's pretty short, compared to the rest of Team Arrow, which would suggest that she isn't.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Vee on March 21, 2017, 06:12:54 PM
Pretty sure she was with them at least once when they were going after him. I'd check but that'd involve watching parts of these again which is too horrible to even contemplate.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Tenzhi on March 23, 2017, 09:09:55 PM
Well, that was the worst episode in recent memory.  Maybe even the worst of the season.  So many steps backward through tedious exposition and flashback.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Vee on March 23, 2017, 09:46:49 PM
Well, that was the worst episode in recent memory.  Maybe even the worst of the season.  So many steps backward through tedious exposition and flashback.

Did you already forget the gun PSA?
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Tenzhi on March 23, 2017, 09:58:33 PM
Nope.  That episode was just pointless, and it didn't really affect anything.  The awfulness of the more recent episode of which I spoke far exceeds it. 
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: CG on March 24, 2017, 01:33:42 PM
So, I didn't actually watch this week's episode. From the trailer and blurbs, it didn't look like my thing.  I've since read/watched some reviews and I understand that the following happened:

Spoiler for Hidden:
Oliver revealed that he likes killing and putting on the costume was a way to justify or enable that.

That's not a hero motivation.  That's a psychopath motivation.  That's a villain.  That's not what I signed up for with this show.  I think I'm done with watching Arrow at this point.  Season 1 was fantastic, S2 was good, S3 was meh and S4 was abysmal.  Now, in S5, Oliver is revealed as a serial killer. 

I give up.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Tenzhi on March 24, 2017, 08:53:46 PM
Like I said, it was a colossal step backwards.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: eabrace on March 24, 2017, 11:28:16 PM
Well, really, subjected to torture long enough, people will tell you anything you want to hear even if it isn't true, so who knows.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Tenzhi on March 25, 2017, 02:11:05 AM
A few days of petty torture versus the infinite amount of time and hardships he endured all over the world (and possibly on the moon and in alternate dimensions) during the five years he was missing?  A hero should be made of sterner stuff.  There are four lights.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Vee on March 25, 2017, 02:28:50 AM
Well, really, subjected to torture long enough, people will tell you anything you want to hear even if it isn't true, so who knows.

I'm well past being ready to tell the writers of these shows anything they want to hear :D
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: eabrace on March 25, 2017, 09:14:18 AM
I'm well past being ready to tell the writers of these shows anything they want to hear :D
To be fair, they brought that up themselves in the flashbacks.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Mandu on March 26, 2017, 04:53:28 PM
It's been pretty obvious from the beginning that Oliver preferred killing and torture.  And by pretty obvious I mean blatantly obvious with a flashing neon sign over his head saying "I love killing!" I honestly don't see how anybody who has watched the series could have missed that.

Arrow has never been Flash or even Batman.  He has always been the Dexter of the CW verse.  The only difference is the writers have now said it out loud instead of just in actions.

I don't think this episode was so much about making Oliver admit he prefers killing but making fans admit it.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: CG on March 27, 2017, 02:27:01 PM
I fundamentally disagree with this characterization.

Oliver thought killing/torture were necessary or even appropriate, but he never wallowed in it.  He never did it for fun.  He didn't keep torturing people he had strung up once they gave him what they wanted.  He didn't torture people to make an example of them and strike fear into people.  He didn't go out of his way to kill more people than required.  He didn't use long, drawn out painful ways to kill.  He just put an arrow through the people he thought were bad and moved on.  We never saw him doing anything after he had killed someone to show that he enjoyed it.  He was generally satisfied that he had done (in his opinion) the right thing, but he wasn't back at the arrow cave smoking a cigarette.

This is a significant change to the character that has been presented so far.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Golden Girl on March 27, 2017, 03:55:03 PM
Maybe it's just another knock on effect from Barry messing with the timeline and Ollie now thinks that he's in a comic from the 90s? :P
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Vee on March 27, 2017, 04:29:48 PM
He's at least 75 pockets short on his costume for that.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Golden Girl on March 27, 2017, 04:38:39 PM
He should also probably carry an assault rifle in his quiver, and to be more XTREME! his bow should fire katanas instead of arrows.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: eabrace on March 27, 2017, 11:23:21 PM
He should also probably carry an assault rifle in his quiver, and to be more XTREME! his bow should fire katanas instead of arrows.
(https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s480x480/17523232_1395760193820810_7430370460360078941_n.jpg?oh=d1481e1bf6ad87993774e212dabc3e73&oe=595FF1CF)
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Tenzhi on March 27, 2017, 11:44:29 PM
If I were the DM, I would've said "I can dig it..."
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Super Firebug on March 28, 2017, 07:31:55 AM
I'm anticipating that Diggle, from his time in the military, eventually recognizes that Chase brainwashed Oliver and helps him out of it in some way, pointing out that, after Tommy died, Oliver made a conscious decision to stop killing. Dig does tend to serve as Ollie's anchor.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Tenzhi on March 30, 2017, 12:50:42 PM
In my head, that message the U.S. Marshal received which caused Adrian to go ballistic without seeing it, was actually just a funny cat picture that had nothing to do with Prometheus.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Super Firebug on March 30, 2017, 07:04:10 PM
In my head, that message the U.S. Marshal received which caused Adrian to go ballistic without seeing it, was actually just a funny cat picture that had nothing to do with Prometheus.

Of course. And when the marshal started to approach him, it was just to say, "Hey, Chase, you have to see this!"

Playing The Rascals' "A Beautiful Morning" over the last scene was a twisted choice, that fit Chase perfectly.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Super Firebug on April 02, 2017, 05:16:29 AM
I wonder if Chase will, somehow, implicate Green Arrow in his escape, and the murdering of the two U.S. marshals, trying to get the feds after G.A.

It reeks that we have three and a half weeks before it returns. This season's vastly improved over last.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: saipaman on April 28, 2017, 05:25:28 PM
The warehouse set in this week's episode gave me game flashbacks.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Tenzhi on April 30, 2017, 10:38:40 AM
I was really expecting Rene to get killed or seriously injured in the Helix raid.  What with the heartfelt reunion and promise to his daughter, everyone giving Felicity heck about working with Helix, and then Felicity's insistence/concern that no one was to be hurt in the raid.  So there was no real payoff to all that preaching to Felicity.  Or to Diggle's wife, for that matter.  It's like the whole episode only existed to hastily get rid of Helix, like they were sorry they made it into such a prominent part of the show and just wanted to sweep it under a rug.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: saipaman on May 01, 2017, 01:43:47 AM
I was really expecting Rene to get killed or seriously injured in the Helix raid.  What with the heartfelt reunion and promise to his daughter, everyone giving Felicity heck about working with Helix, and then Felicity's insistence/concern that no one was to be hurt in the raid.  So there was no real payoff to all that preaching to Felicity.  Or to Diggle's wife, for that matter.  It's like the whole episode only existed to hastily get rid of Helix, like they were sorry they made it into such a prominent part of the show and just wanted to sweep it under a rug.

Wasn't the raid going on at the same time Rene was meeting his daughter?
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Tahquitz on May 01, 2017, 02:03:12 AM
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Shovel Archery.  We have a new contender to replace Bazooka Melee.  (Yes, slow response time.  I had an anniversary to work on.)
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Vee on May 01, 2017, 03:36:43 AM
For this show you're going to need a bigger shovel arrow. Several quivers in fact.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Tenzhi on May 01, 2017, 04:42:54 AM
Wasn't the raid going on at the same time Rene was meeting his daughter?

Seemed more like a daytime meeting than deep into the dead of night.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Vee on May 05, 2017, 06:42:33 AM
In the words of the noted sage - "If I didn't have such a vague memory of the rest of the season, I'd call last night's episode the most pointless of this season."
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Tenzhi on May 05, 2017, 07:02:02 AM
In the words of the noted sage - "If I didn't have such a vague memory of the rest of the season, I'd call last night's episode the most pointless of this season."

And worst of all, in amongst the pointless relationship drama not really getting worked out, they managed to put in a bunch of stupid flashback sequences to something that apparently happened earlier in this very season.  Pretty soon they're going to cause some sort of Arrowpoint Paradox by flashing back to something that will actually happen in the future.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Vee on May 05, 2017, 08:08:33 AM
Sometimes there's just not enough nothing in the present to fill 42 minutes so you have to flashback to some earlier nothing.

Spoiler for Hidden:
The whole 'logic' of Chase's plan and them figuring it out was hilarious btw.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Mandu on May 07, 2017, 03:40:37 AM
One important thing did happen in this episode.  Felicity finally realized that she was an idiot and a hypocrite.  I'm sure it won't stick and before season end she will once again be yelling at Oliver about keeping secrets.  But you know... baby steps and all that.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Tenzhi on May 11, 2017, 08:52:43 PM
Oh, cripes...  Oliver is breaking time and space with his infinitely expanding past.  Barry isn't the temporal menace... it's Ollie and this Flashbackpoint he's created.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Vee on May 11, 2017, 09:06:04 PM
I know we've all been eagerly anticipating the return to the island in the same way one might eagerly anticipate a visit to the proctologist.

So all 4 cw shows are now officially renewed. I was stunned by that until I remembered that Charmed ran like 8 or 9 seasons and Supernatural is still somehow still on. I'm thinking we'll get our 4x weekly doses of contrived honesty arguments until the casts have finally had enough.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Tenzhi on May 12, 2017, 02:07:50 AM
I *like* Supernatural, but still think it should have ended a couple of times over...
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Vee on May 12, 2017, 02:26:53 AM
I watched the first couple seasons but it never really drew me in and was already starting to wear thin. Not nearly as thin as these shows but I had no particular compulsion to watch it.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Mandu on May 13, 2017, 07:18:10 PM
Supernatural got better when it started having a heaven/hell story arc and stopped being a monster of the week show.  But then that story line petered out and started dragging.  But I think the best thing they did was add Misha Collins as a series regular.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Mandu on May 15, 2017, 02:25:47 AM
OK, so the show really frustrates me a lot of the time with characters behaving completely irrationally.  But at least the fight choreography is good most the time.

And I really hope they are never going to bring Thea back again if they are make her limited appearances as pointless and annoying as the last couple.  She's back to being season 1 Thea.  Horrible, whiny, and useless.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Super Firebug on May 18, 2017, 03:06:12 AM
(The instant that I saw the map, I couldn't resist doing this. I've waited five seasons for something like this!)

Okay, having paused the episode on the map displayed during the final segment, the sharply-pointed part of the coastline, northwest of Star City, would correspond to that pointy bit of coastline southwest of Eureka, on your map of California. The concave area of the coastline, southeast of Star City, would be San Francisco Bay, and the jutty bit, farther south along the coast, would be between San Luis Obispo and Santa Barbara. So, that puts Star City at abooout... Fort Bragg, California! Congratulations, Fort Bragg; you're the home of the Green Arrow!
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Tenzhi on May 18, 2017, 12:41:21 PM
A bit of a spectacular crash and explosion to just get out and walk away like nothing happened...
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Vee on May 18, 2017, 05:32:45 PM
The league of assassins used to make good money in the 70s making roadside stunt setups for Evel kenevil wannabees.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: eabrace on May 18, 2017, 07:32:18 PM
In related news:  Amell finally got his chance at the American Ninja Warrior course.  That'll air next week during NBCs Red Nose event.  Can't wait to see that.  I really want to see how he does on the salmon ladder.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baHfmHeySkE

Edit:  I missed it the first time around, but I notice now that he's pimping Nocking Point Wines during his run.  That's amusing.  :D
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Mandu on May 21, 2017, 03:29:36 PM
Two things I really liked about this episode.

 First was when Dolph in his Russian accent said that Oliver was like a piece of iron but he would break.  Once again those little culture references are funny.  Except when they stop and explain them immediately afterwords.

Second was Deathstroke.  I like Manu Benett  The first season of Spartacus he was a bad actor.  Seriously Jai Courtney was better and that is close to impossible.  But he got a lot better.  Like most character actors he tends to have almost zero range but I really like the character he does play.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Vee on May 25, 2017, 05:38:57 AM
Spoiler for Hidden:
I suppose we're not supposed to be rooting for the bombs?
Also combined IQ over 500? Granted there's often no correlation but you'd think if they average well over the highest recorded IQ at least one of them would have demonstrated a touch of common sense at some point.

Possibility of Joseph is intriguing though. This show could definitely use some mute characters.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Tenzhi on May 25, 2017, 12:27:57 PM
If that was the season finale, someone responsible needs to be punched repeatedly.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: CG on May 25, 2017, 03:10:00 PM
First, I have to admit that I stopped watching after Adrian Chase was revealed.  I've been keeping up via Emergency Awesome reviews.

I finally managed to figure out why I don't like Adrian Chase.  It's not that he's planning ahead of Oliver and the team, but he's unbelievably ahead of them.  He's almost like a Mary Sue character in this regard. 

Spoiler for Hidden:
He booby trapped an entire island with hundreds of explosives?  He knows what happened to Oliver on the island?  He found out Oliver's dad killed someone accidentally(?) and dug him out of concrete?  Found out about William, and then located him?  Recruited Talia and the remaining League to kidnap the entire team?  Found and booby trapped the Arrow cave?  Knew how and with what gun Oliver's dad killed himself with?!

This is beyond credible.  A character capable of these things could not possibly lose.

The simple logistics of accomplishing some of these things is mind boggling, let alone knowing about them all.  The character blew my suspension of disbelief out of the water.

As for the finale:
Spoiler for Hidden:
That said, it was great to see Slade and Moira in the finale.  Deathstroke is a buzzsaw with or without Mirakuru and had the perfect insight into Oliver's character. He has suvivor's guilt over his father's suicide, which makes perfect sense.  The scene with Moira back in the mansion was very touching.  I miss her on the show.

Nice to see Quentin rejecting Black Siren and accepting Dinah as his daughter's successor.

Capt. Boomerang was pointless.  He didn't even make any cool trick shots.

I thought the fight between the alGhul sisters would last longer.

Do they seriously expect us to believe they killed off the entire main cast?  Not much suspense for next season.  Most of them will be back.  Would have been better with a fewer number of characters in serious jeopardy instead of them all in comical jeopardy.

All in all, better than the last two seasons, but not as good as the first.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Dev7on on May 25, 2017, 08:40:55 PM
That was the most worse finales I've ever seen in TV history! I'm DONE with Arrow!!!!!!!  >:(
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Super Firebug on May 25, 2017, 08:54:25 PM
And, from our Unfinished Business department: Did I miss something, or did they completely forget about Vigilante?
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Vee on May 25, 2017, 10:40:49 PM
And, from our Unfinished Business department: Did I miss something, or did they completely forget about Vigilante?

I'm convinced they changed plans in mid-season and made Chase into Prometheus instead of Vigilante. That'd explain why they used the name of one of the Vigilantes for him. They probably hope we forget all the Vigilante stuff.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Super Firebug on May 27, 2017, 12:41:28 AM
I'm thinking that season 6 opens with the survivors having taken shelter in either a cave or the prison, and having to be found and dug out.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Night-Hawk07 on May 27, 2017, 02:08:23 PM
I'm convinced they changed plans in mid-season and made Chase into Prometheus instead of Vigilante. That'd explain why they used the name of one of the Vigilantes for him. They probably hope we forget all the Vigilante stuff.

Maybe Chase was Vigilante and used that identity to throw the team off until he was ready to reveal himself as Prometheus....?

The good news is the flashbacks should be over now...unless they flashback to Season 1.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Super Firebug on May 28, 2017, 02:37:21 AM
Maybe Chase was Vigilante and used that identity to throw the team off until he was ready to reveal himself as Prometheus....?

I don't see how, unless the rooftop fight, between Prometheus and Vigilante, was all in Chase's mind.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Tenzhi on May 28, 2017, 05:15:20 AM
Maybe it's Chase's twin brother who happens to be named Dorian.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Mandu on May 28, 2017, 05:19:02 AM
I'm convinced they changed plans in mid-season and made Chase into Prometheus instead of Vigilante. That'd explain why they used the name of one of the Vigilantes for him. They probably hope we forget all the Vigilante stuff.

That makes sense.  It's like when in the Armageddon 2001 story arc (in the comics way back when) Monarch was supposed to be revealed as Captain Atom.  Then the information leaked out ahead of the reveal so they changed him into Hank Hall.  In my not so humble opinion that was the most idiotic decision DC ever made.  It would not surprise me to find out that they planned Chase would be Vigilante and then were shocked that the comic book fans actually knew the secret identity and history of a 30 year old third string hero.  Since their surprise was revealed they frantically changed it.

And now my predictions

Merlyn didn't die.  He grabbed digger and threw him on top of the mine.  He was badly wounded but will of course show up again from time to time.  With most characters this would annoy me but I love Barrowman so I'm willing to let it slide.

Was that plane a pontoon plane?  I'm not going back to watch that part again but if it was they pushed it into the water and got far enough away from the island somehow.  Heh.  Maybe they pulled a bit straight out of a cartoon and Canary used her sonic scream to propel them.  Again that would be something I would forgive just for the sheer awesome stupidity of it being right out of a Superfriends cartoon.

Slade needs to get his own spinoff.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Vee on May 28, 2017, 06:13:31 AM
That makes sense.  It's like when in the Armageddon 2001 story arc (in the comics way back when) Monarch was supposed to be revealed as Captain Atom.  Then the information leaked out ahead of the reveal so they changed him into Hank Hall.  In my not so humble opinion that was the most idiotic decision DC ever made.

That's a long list and I think it would depend on the day of the week :D But yeah replacing the guy who has almost unlimited power with a guy who, well i'm still not sure I'm clear how he got to be so powerful (and they decided to do it again in zero hour with him) was definitely up there. My current pick would be letting Grant Morrison loose on the Bat books, but that's more a reflection of what i just finished than an all-time pick.

My prediction is they'll all be saved by yet another mystic artifact on the island that we'll learn about through next year's flashbacks :P
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: CG on May 29, 2017, 02:20:48 PM
Something to strike fear into the hearts of a few:

Are we sure they're done with the Flashbacks? 

They flashed back to unseen events from Season 1.  Why can't they continue to do that in Season 6?
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Vee on May 29, 2017, 03:27:29 PM
I'm almost positive they're not done with flashbacks. Though as painful as they are they're probably not as bad as the extra 6 minutes of pseudodrama they'd replace them with.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Dev7on on May 29, 2017, 04:48:22 PM
Something to strike fear into the hearts of a few:

Are we sure they're done with the Flashbacks? 

They flashed back to unseen events from Season 1.  Why can't they continue to do that in Season 6?

I hated the flashbacks. I never understood the flashbacks and it annoyed me.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Night-Hawk07 on June 12, 2017, 06:34:10 PM
I don't see how, unless the rooftop fight, between Prometheus and Vigilante, was all in Chase's mind.

Or a time remnant. Or...something....
Title: Re: Arrow Season 5
Post by: Vee on November 26, 2017, 02:37:44 AM
Ok given the last arrow ep and the out of nowhere comments about billy joel in legends i have to conclude someone from long island is high up in the arrowverse hierarchy. would explain a lot actually.

and yeah i know this is last season's thread but not starting a new one just for this :P