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Community => Other Games => Champions Online => Topic started by: Xev on April 02, 2017, 02:42:29 PM
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So what's up guys? I was hoping to hear some CO news after I stopped playing and then I gave up and now I'm back to pester you again.
Somebody pick up the torch!
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P.S.
I'm finally starting to miss playing. This is what having backup games is all about. Thing is, I have more than ever to keep me occupied in STO, and, IRL (you wanna talk about a game that needs patching..).
I never stopped thinking CO was a super awesome game - the people who were steering it the last time I played were just steering it into directions where I am ultra sensitive.
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Currently Foxbatcon is going on. It just started on Thursday. You can unlock the Inventor AT with Foxbat Credits if you don't already have it. There aren't many new costume pieces in the event this year. They haven't released it yet, but there's a new TK ultimate power (lockbox/FF only I'm guessing) that will be coming out.
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Currently Foxbatcon is going on. It just started on Thursday. You can unlock the Inventor AT with Foxbat Credits if you don't already have it. There aren't many new costume pieces in the event this year. They haven't released it yet, but there's a new TK ultimate power (lockbox/FF only I'm guessing) that will be coming out.
Man, powers in lockboxes are half the reason I quit CO, like, it was the line crossed far as I was concerned, although most ultimate powers are "Awesome but impractical and thus useless" pieces of junk with zero utility whatsoever. I mean vehicles were one thing, couldn't use vehicles in missions and they kind of suffered awesome but impractical syndrome to, but powers? It was a bit over the line for me.
Not to mention, unlocking another AT is the worst thing to get me to do something, I always hated AT's always will in CO, as they are the worst thing to contaminate the game(warping players views on how it was originally meant to be played, forcing holy trinity on us ect).
CO's kind of become the worst thing in existence in it's own way.
I mean I'll hang out on it occasionally these days but, I feel even then it's hard for me to log on even after spending a lot of time away from it.
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CO's kind of become the worst thing in existence in it's own way.
lol..
I mean I'll hang out on it occasionally these days but,
LOL!
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It's called cognitive dissonance, used to like the game and want to like what it used to be, but I seriously struggle or can't like what it's become.
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You can call it what you want. I call it LOL funny. I mean I seriously LOL every.. single.. time I re-read those quotes.
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You've been playing mmo's long enough I assume this knowledge.. but, juuuust in case it can be helpful, I will pass along this tip:
Find a backup game.
In gamers terms, the thing you have described above is called burnout. Burnout can be caused by a plethora of reasons and always stems from games that we consider or have considered to be our primary (home away from home) game.
This is why backup games were invented. They give you a place to escape burnout, and, maintain an online identity and keep your leet gamer skills sharp (be they erp'ing Or .. whatever...(being ubah, perhaps..)).
It is not unusual for a Backup game to become a Primary game.
CoH was my backup game for EQ.
Take a break, would be my advice. If you haaaave to log in, like to say hi to someone or something, limit your gametime to things that don't annoy you. If Zone or any other channel annoys you - turn it off. If something about combat annoys you - don't fight. For example, you could log in and check up on the AE (assuming *this* doesn't annoy you...) and chat up your friends and then log off and play the game you have fun playing.
If you aren't having fun, not only are you wasting your time you likely aren't a treat to be around for the people who are.
You may now leave the couch. Mine comes fully equipped with gamepads, THX surround, huge screens, and perfectly adjustable padding. And subs to all games.
I wasn't trying to be heartless, above! I get the gamer pain. I still want to reply to a message someone posted in General(?) about feeling physical pain at not being able to play CoH. I get it.. My wife used to get it, too, when I knew her. We had a period where we couldn't play EQ for... I forget how long, it was like an eternity. A grown, sophisticated, totally foxy, central European woman - and she carried around cutouts of her necro pet in her purse.. So she could pull them out and be close to them while we had that period where we couldn't play. I had it just as bad as her. I get it.
Ah, the gamer psyche..
Anyway, you're always posting about games you're playing so I ASSUUUUUUMED you'd have a backup game by now.. and therefore was not being heartless in my LOLs.. that I thank you for... lol..
"It's the crappiest place in the world!" "I mean.. I hang out there sometimes, but...."
omg haha...
ack I better go : )
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You can call it what you want. I call it LOL funny. I mean I seriously LOL every.. single.. time I re-read those quotes.
Eh, actually know what? Since some news came about I had decided to just not show up at CO indefinitely. Toxic community + to many bad feelings of what the game became + not enough time for roleplaying my own plots with those few I'd happily roleplay with, I just don't have a reason to go there.
It really isn't funny anymore. The jokes dead.
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awwww I was too slow in my apology...
Just get ya a backup, LA. When you finally miss CO, come back. If the experience still sucks, LEAVE.
Rinse, repeat.
Above all: have fun. fun fun fun. Mucho funno.
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awwww I was too slow in my apology...
Just get ya a backup, LA. When you finally miss CO, come back. If the experience still sucks, LEAVE.
Rinse, repeat.
Above all: have fun. fun fun fun. Mucho funno.
I have done this myself. And it does not help, sorry Xev. Whenever, I log on I cannot but think of this missed opportunity co had. And sorry to say but I do not miss co, I miss playing a superhero game.
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I have done this myself. And it does not help, sorry Xev. Whenever, I log on I cannot but think of this missed opportunity co had. And sorry to say but I do not miss co, I miss playing a superhero game.
Rinse. Repeat.
The game is what it is. Today, you don't like it. So don't play it. You liked it once (I assume - LA did, I know), so, come back once in awhile and see if the magic returns. When it doesn't, well, that sucks, but, boo hoo, such is life. Be happy for the magic you had. Take that experience and go find some new.
When I started playing online graphical MMO's to the tune of ~ $500 a month...there was 1 to choose from. There was no backup game, no shopping around.. Now you can play games 100x as awesome....for free.
You'll find your game. Just keep looking. When you do it will be like life, completely imperfect. But fun.
Come back to CO once in awhile. The people in charge of the game and the chat channels, change. The game, at its core, is awesome. Athletics is awesome. Ground combat in CO blows away ground combat in STO as far as fluidity and pace goes. The costume creator.... My Penthouse.. All those powers to mix and match and look cool using.. And on and on - the game's mechanics and fluidity of combat are beautiful. It's definitely a worthy game to check back on once in awhile to see if the magic returns (assuming it was there to begin with).
When it's gone, it's gone (the magic). Don't try and force yourself to like (any) the game. When you long to play it again, and it's fun again when you do, then, it's time to come back. Until then, find a backup(s) or a new primary.
I'm lucky because I really really like STO as my backup/new primary, and, I get to keep up on CO chat when I want and also can see my CO Friends list. I wish this kind of luck on you (I tried to ninja edit but was too slow..) and LA.
You may now leave the gamer's therapy couch. You can toss your gear anywhere I have lots.
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Rinse. Repeat.
The game is what it is. Today, you don't like it. So don't play it. You liked it once (I assume - LA did, I know), so, come back once in awhile and see if the magic returns. When it doesn't, well, that sucks, but, boo hoo, such is life. Be happy for the magic you had. Take that experience and go find some new.
When I started playing online graphical MMO's to the tune of ~ $500 a month...there was 1 to choose from. There was no backup game, no shopping around.. Now you can play games 100x as awesome....for free.
You'll find your game. Just keep looking. When you do it will be like life, completely imperfect. But fun.
Come back to CO once in awhile. The people in charge of the game and the chat channels, change. The game, at its core, is awesome. Athletics is awesome. Ground combat in CO blows away ground combat in STO as far as fluidity and pace goes. The costume creator.... My Penthouse.. All those powers to mix and match and look cool using.. And on and on - the game's mechanics and fluidity of combat are beautiful. It's definitely a worthy game to check back on once in awhile to see if the magic returns (assuming it was there to begin with).
When it's gone, it's gone (the magic). Don't try and force yourself to like (any) the game. When you long to play it again, and it's fun again when you do, then, it's time to come back. Until then, find a backup(s) or a new primary.
I'm lucky because I really really like STO as my backup/new primary, and, I get to keep up on CO chat when I want and also can see my CO Friends list. I wish this kind of luck on you (I tried to ninja edit but was too slow..) and LA.
You may now leave the gamer's therapy couch. You can toss your gear anywhere I have lots.
Xev, I will give ya a little history lesion, when co was first announced I was excited. More then enough to get into cb phase 2, I saw the potential in it to be better then City of. I was suffering from a combination of fatigue from playing City of and anger for Ncsoft that thought it was a hoot to put in a 5+vet in with the new players. So I bought a lifetime sub to co, I believed in it so much to do that.
Then launched happened, I quit playing City of. And for the first time I had fun again, I ran the content and even defended the devs on the boards. Then the first lead moved on as did some of the team, then updates became fewer and fewer as time went by. I still remember what the forum cartel echoed to this every day, "it is not the devs fault, it was the players." That alone angered people enough to quit and never come back. To this day they have not rebounded. Next most of the dev team moved to sto and neverwinter, and many did not rejoin. Then the single incident happened on the forums which caused me to never go back. I was lied about and when I asked for proof, I was called a troll. The forums became a cesspool at that point.
At that point I moved to TSW and sto, but I kept my eye on co development, and even tried to play again and again yet nothing kept me there. I just did not want to stay.
Finally, I thought what could have been a great game, fizzled to a point it cannot come back. It is a wasted opportunity.
Xev, you know I respect you and your opinion, however, unless they add years of content, put this game where it should bein its life, and stop listening to the forum cartel, I would come back. However, seeing as none of those are going to happen, I wont be coming back.
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Xev, I will give ya a little history lesion, when co was first announced I was excited. More then enough to get into cb phase 2, I saw the potential in it to be better then City of. I was suffering from a combination of fatigue from playing City of and anger for Ncsoft that thought it was a hoot to put in a 5+vet in with the new players. So I bought a lifetime sub to co, I believed in it so much to do that.
Then launched happened, I quit playing City of. And for the first time I had fun again, I ran the content and even defended the devs on the boards. Then the first lead moved on as did some of the team, then updates became fewer and fewer as time went by. I still remember what the forum cartel echoed to this every day, "it is not the devs fault, it was the players." That alone angered people enough to quit and never come back. To this day they have not rebounded. Next most of the dev team moved to sto and neverwinter, and many did not rejoin. Then the single incident happened on the forums which caused me to never go back. I was lied about and when I asked for proof, I was called a troll. The forums became a cesspool at that point.
At that point I moved to TSW and sto, but I kept my eye on co development, and even tried to play again and again yet nothing kept me there. I just did not want to stay.
Finally, I thought what could have been a great game, fizzled to a point it cannot come back. It is a wasted opportunity.
Xev, you know I respect you and your opinion, however, unless they add years of content, put this game where it should bein its life, and stop listening to the forum cartel, I would come back. However, seeing as none of those are going to happen, I wont be coming back.
I often myself blame CO's community(the current one) on CO's collapse. But I blame those who are still there, not those who've left or those who asked for content all the time in the earlier days. I blame those who pushed for the game to be changed exclusively for themselves for CO's collapse. Those same people I also feel, when I speak about people in CO's community wanting successors to fail, those are the same people who I speak of.
Many people left CO because of how it's more vocal minority have convinced the developers, whatever devs CO had, to make it exclusively for themselves. It feels like a dissappointment.
I didn't get a lifetime when I first came to CO, glad I never got one. When I first came, it was a month into the game and I was hopeful it'd turn into the future of free-form-build gaming, in an mmorpg no less. I had high hopes for it and was hopeful it's content would expand beyond just pop culture references. Heck, was hopeful to see all kinds of stuff beyond Vibora Bay. But over time as Angel said, the game saw fewer and smaller updates, players started leaving, and nerfs to popular things began building up while the melee pass made "Melee should be the only way to play!" scrubs more powerful.
After the pass you even saw those same scrubs shutting up, and people took note of that. They said things like "Anyone notice *vocal anti-ranged melee only scrub* has been quiet lately? And if you know who I speak of congrats but lets not bring the name up here, I know dang well who it is. But I began to see a serious problem in the game, even if I didn't quite realize it at the time. That some forum people were in enough influence of the developers that they would get what they wanted in balance passes and content, at the exclusion of others.
I ended up returning to CoX as CoX got the QoL improvements like inherent fitness, and found I was just having more fun with it. CO on the other hand was just not getting anything, and likewise nerfs were aimed near exclusively to those who enjoyed the good stuff and buffs given to players who spent all there time complaining about other players playstyles. CC would be nerfed to uselessness later, buffs/debuffs would be curtailed to uselessness ect.
Heck I could even say CO's balance passes were very "Bipolar", heck I even posted this: https://cityoftitans.com/forum/mistakes-co-what-avoid
Of course now? So many worst things had happened since I posted that. Extreme vehicle nerfs, holy trinity cosmic raids, onslaught was a gimmick letting players play a boss with no control on who they can target(anyone with agro powers could force you to target only them, why the heck would I play something if I had no control or autonomy?) ect. Many players quit over this crap. Thing is, the few left? Many of them are now with a game all to themselves, but there are so few players left that everyone knows the game is like to shut down if a good super hero game comes up(Leading to me believing they want the game to fail as for the reason of there extreme and excessive hostility in their forums towards everyone ever bringing up a successor).
CO is like depleted uranium, super heavy, poisonous(radioactive) and not good for my health. It's fuel/toxic waste thats been exhausted and has to be thrown away but won't disappear soon enough. I log in and I remember all the things I say here, and also what I said in the post I made all those years ago. As it fails to with Angel Phoenix, i log in but it fails to keep me around for so many reasons.
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I think all three of us have similar attitudes. We like the game, we just don't like playing it as it is now.
I'm not playing it right now either, ya know. So it would be pretty hypocritical of me to try and convince you two to play - and I'm not. I'm trying to convince you... to Not play. The longer you keep playing when you do not enjoy it - the worse you are making it for yourselves and the players around you.
I wouldn't feel bad at all about having a lifetime sub and not using it. If things were anywhere near normal, for me, I would have snapped one up by now and I would have already gotten my money's worth out of it. Plus, I could come and go anytime I please, as a subscriber, and never have to worry about sub fees or hassles. You probably rack up rewards every month even when you don't play, huh? I wouldn't feel bad about my LTS.
The thing LA says about a small group of people controlling the game's direction sounds completely preposterous! Paranoid... Conspiracy theories! And even though I don't play much and haven't for awhile now - I get the exact same vibe.
Unfortunately that small group doesn't seem to interest or entertain me a whole lot, either.
Ah well, such is life. Sometimes it sucks. Hard. Game worlds aren't immune from the flaws of RL, ya know. They're run by humans just like that IRL mess is.
Take a break. Find your fun again. The love of gaming is what keeps us going - not the love of a particular game.
I lost my games that I luv and that I poured myself into (CoH/CO) too, ya know! So I can say that. Without being heartless. Because I have lost at least 3 games now that were my second life. Every time... I re-find the magic. Sometimes in the same game. AFTER a break.
I was about to have burnout in CoH right before they announced the shutdown and when CoH was doing no wrong - I was just starting to get burnt out from playing a lot... a tiny bit. Then they announced the shutdown and I couldn't play enough!
At least CO is still here. It may not be the game we want to play atm, but, it still exists. Where there's life there's hope and all that good stuff.
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In fairness, have to add, there is a ton of good stuff that has gone on in the game in the past year that we are completely ignoring! Because the negative stuff doesn't allow us to enjoy it.
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I never actually thought CO was a great game. I wasn't as gung-ho about it when it came out as some were, but I've hopped in and out of it over the years since it was a few months old. I thought it was fun and at one time I thought the community was nice. At this point the only thing CO has going for it from my perspective is that it's a super hero game. There's more of those on the way and in the mean time I have people to game with in other places and other companies I can spend my money with that I feel are putting more effort into actually maintaining their product and providing me with entertainment. I don't steer people away from CO, but I also don't advocate for it any more. I certainly don't see a reason to return to it beyond super powers. the most I have done in months is play with the character creator and I don't expect that to change.
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I think CO is a great game. I have gotten way more than a LTS of joy out of it.
I'm just not presently playing. CO turned me off, STO turned me on (I'm about equal parts comic book fan/space fan so that helps a lot), and STO just doesn't quit.. I can't keep up with what I want to do in the game.
I'm starting to miss CO, again, but there's no time to play it.
Sooooo I figured hey, I bet Kaos and Brou, at the very least, are still playing. Why not get some news.
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I think CO is a great game. I have gotten way more than a LTS of joy out of it.
I'm just not presently playing. CO turned me off, STO turned me on (I'm about equal parts comic book fan/space fan so that helps a lot), and STO just doesn't quit.. I can't keep up with what I want to do in the game.
I'm starting to miss CO, again, but there's no time to play it.
Sooooo I figured hey, I bet Kaos and Brou, at the very least, are still playing. Why not get some news.
Yes, I'm still playing.
It's a mixed bag. I give the Devs credit for doing what they can with what I assume is a very limited budget. Over the last year we've gotten a few new powers, a couple new ATs, and a lot of balancing and adjustment. We got a high end mini-zone (which I think is probably not judged to be a success as almost no one I know ever actually goes there more than once) and they are now going through revamping open area events.
They are currently revamping the Gadroon event in Canada. I enjoyed what they did in Snake Gulch so I'll give it a try.
To be honest, the main thing that Cryptic has going for it right now is the COX Channel. I enjoy talking with the people on the Channel just as much-- and sometimes more-- than I do playing the actual game (be it CO or STO). STO gets a fair amount of new content-- certainly much more than CO-- but at heart I'm a super hero kind of guy. :D
Given that I like to alt more than end game grind, I am probably not the the typical MMO audience which means I am probably always going to be destined for disappointment in the long run. It doesn't seem like any game I've looked at since COX ever creates content for Non Max Levels after release.
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The eternal focus on (making me retcon/rethink) balance and adjustment is what I was hoping was over with the last time I played. It didn't seem to be, then.
The thing they did with Rampages annoyed me bigtime. Rampages went from being the Ultimate to being Worthless on their own. Too much.. Rampagers channel, my favorite, was destroyed in the process. Now I have to Cosmic + Rampage to get what I used to get for Rampaging. I didn't really care for Cosmicing. It wasn't the events themselves it was CosmicHQ (channel) and the mindless zerging, mostly. And, I was being forced to put up with both for the same rewards I used to get just by Rampaging...................
You know what would be a huge content boost to CO without having to add a huge amount of content? Tradeskilling. I burn so much time tradeskilling in STO.. Probably because I missed it so much. Man, give me something to reliably farm in CO and play the market with (like maxxing out AE mishes/selling Salvage in CoH *stares off dreamily...*), and I have a whole other thing to keep myself busy with in-game.
I like making newbs about as much as anyone probably but I don't mind endgame focusing. That's where all our newbs end up, after all. You're only a newb once but you're max level forever or until a level cap increase. Making your max level toon feel like a newb (that you want to play...) seems like the tricky part to me. Having said all that, yeah, thinking back..., there are some newb levels in CO that seem to be about exactly the same (Kevin Poe..) for every toon.
Something cool STO does for newb alts and they have a new one right now, is, their Featured err Story or whatever it's called. The last 'Featured' had that Braydon Engine. I got that Engine at like level 10... (MK IV?) and was able to upgrade it all the way to MK XII for free - saving plenty of shopping time and currency. New mish, new gear, made for newbs and I still use that engine at 60 alongside Fleet and Rep gear. Not bad.
What's the new high-end mini-zone?? Not purple Andrith?
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I'm still curious about that new zone.. Ya left me hangin'!
Well, I guess I know how to log in for myself, huh..
I start to miss playing. This, is what I wish on LA and Angel P. That you can leave the game long enough to forget the things that bother you and come back to the game fresh. Burnout just happens. I've seen it happen in every online game I've played and with just about every player I've gotten to know. Usually it fades. Sometimes it doesn't. I still can't play EQ, for example. I'm ready for some more CO though. Whenever I finally take an STO break, which, I have no immediate plans for, due to the number of irons I have in the fire, there, and, my gametime is about to poof again with the fading monsoons. Hence the urge to get CO infos.
It really is nice to still have my old friends list and chat channels around even if I treat them as read only (I'm not very active in STO channels either). I bet I could get lost for a year or so in Neverwinter, too. After all that's the title that got me started. A lot of golden agers and golden age games have their roots in D&D.
So far, my experience with Cryptic has been.... eerie familiarity. For example. If I had to pick 3 genres of games... Comic book, space, and d&d would be 3 likely picks. Star Trek would be a perfectly acceptable universe and Neverwinter, too. For my comic book game I'd like to have the best costume creator possible and the widest array of cool looking powers. Don't even get me started on the familiar references in-game. When I first played CO it felt like I was playing a game made by someone I grew up with due to the references just hit home.
There's plenty of bad things everyone says about Cryptic and I'm not trying to say they're awesome or perfect or whatever like this. But... I sure have enjoyed their.... existence! Ever since CoH.
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I'm still curious about that new zone.. Ya left me hangin'!
Well, I guess I know how to log in for myself, huh..
I start to miss playing. This, is what I wish on LA and Angel P. That you can leave the game long enough to forget the things that bother you and come back to the game fresh. Burnout just happens. I've seen it happen in every online game I've played and with just about every player I've gotten to know. Usually it fades. Sometimes it doesn't. I still can't play EQ, for example. I'm ready for some more CO though. Whenever I finally take an STO break, which, I have no immediate plans for, due to the number of irons I have in the fire, there, and, my gametime is about to poof again with the fading monsoons. Hence the urge to get CO infos.
It really is nice to still have my old friends list and chat channels around even if I treat them as read only (I'm not very active in STO channels either). I bet I could get lost for a year or so in Neverwinter, too. After all that's the title that got me started. A lot of golden agers and golden age games have their roots in D&D.
So far, my experience with Cryptic has been.... eerie familiarity. For example. If I had to pick 3 genres of games... Comic book, space, and d&d would be 3 likely picks. Star Trek would be a perfectly acceptable universe and Neverwinter, too. For my comic book game I'd like to have the best costume creator possible and the widest array of cool looking powers. Don't even get me started on the familiar references in-game. When I first played CO it felt like I was playing a game made by someone I grew up with due to the references just hit home.
There's plenty of bad things everyone says about Cryptic and I'm not trying to say they're awesome or perfect or whatever like this. But... I sure have enjoyed their.... existence! Ever since CoH.
Wish I could but I just don't, I made that one post years after CO's official decline, remembering a lot of things that'd happened. I also cannot color powers with a silver account, which also keeps me from using powersets I otherwise enjoy(such as telekinesis, why do the blades have to be bright pink?). All the same though over 90% of my characters are useless by this point thanks to nerfs, I just don't feel like retconning them all.
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So, in summation:
That's 2, for, 'we're really burnt out on CO".
And 1, for, 'log in and look (at the changes) for yourself'.
Umm thanks?
hehe!
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Well, I will be logging in soon again.. my sub-forum fans will be thrilled to know *delusionally hears Forum Malvanum-like cheering in the background*. Probably next month, sometime. Have to run a few dozen Grab!(the money? or is it Smash! into the bank.. Why, did they have to make one name change that appears to have left me confused forever) for practice, first thing. See if I can still maintain agro a decent amount of the time. For ego strokage and current gear worth checkage.. hotkey checkage, and, just practice. Ya know.
And then I'll probly slip back out as silently as I did last time.
Hang on to your hats! And then adjust them forward...now rock... *z-snaps all chairs of those reading this into rocking chairs* *sings lullaby*. OK that wasn't as exciting as I'd hoped for.
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Well I did just level a toon to 40 that I hope to use as a tank. :)
Honestly, I haven't found anything else out there that scratches my super hero itch better than CO does right now.
And to be honest, none of the successor games are promising the degree of customization we already have in CO in terms of Travel powers. I haven't heard any of them talking about whether or not we're going to have much variety in textures either such as metal, leather, cloth, ghost, ice, shadow ....
And the unique materials of ghost, ice, shadow can be purchased simply by playing the game and earning Q. There are a large number of travel powers that can be unlocked in the same way. And it's also possible to have certain pieces either drop from baddies or be purchasable with Silver Champs Recognition which can be earned-- you guessed it-- by playing the game.
That's really pretty generous if you ask me.
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Well I did just level a toon to 40 that I hope to use as a tank. :)
Honestly, I haven't found anything else out there that scratches my super hero itch better than CO does right now.
And to be honest, none of the successor games are promising the degree of customization we already have in CO in terms of Travel powers. I haven't heard any of them talking about whether or not we're going to have much variety in textures either such as metal, leather, cloth, ghost, ice, shadow ....
And the unique materials of ghost, ice, shadow can be purchased simply by playing the game and earning Q. There are a large number of travel powers that can be unlocked in the same way. And it's also possible to have certain pieces either drop from baddies or be purchasable with Silver Champs Recognition which can be earned-- you guessed it-- by playing the game.
That's really pretty generous if you ask me.
Q prices which I felt were a bit insane. I never actually enjoyed the unique travels much in CO, swinging had clunkiness issues over time and the whole silver/gold champ recognition of late is so extreme a grind I feel CO makes you not only play in ludicrous raids which are only for those with already perfect gear but also force the holy trinity on everyone. Just as well play WoW.
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So, in summation:
That's 2, for, 'we're really burnt out on CO".
And 1, for, 'log in and look (at the changes) for yourself'.
Umm thanks?
hehe!
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Well, I will be logging in soon again.. my sub-forum fans will be thrilled to know *delusionally hears Forum Malvanum-like cheering in the background*. Probably next month, sometime. Have to run a few dozen Grab!(the money? or is it Smash! into the bank.. Why, did they have to make one name change that appears to have left me confused forever) for practice, first thing. See if I can still maintain agro a decent amount of the time. For ego strokage and current gear worth checkage.. hotkey checkage, and, just practice. Ya know.
And then I'll probly slip back out as silently as I did last time.
Hang on to your hats! And then adjust them forward...now rock... *z-snaps all chairs of those reading this into rocking chairs* *sings lullaby*. OK that wasn't as exciting as I'd hoped for.
Xev, if you are adding me to being burnt out over co, you are wrong. I am beyond pancaked off, this game had all of the chances to get better, and all PWE, Cryptic, Atari, did was the bare minimum. Under PWE's ownership, they let the forum cartel, become the ONLY voice that the devs had/s.
I gave up City of. for co, because I saw the real potential in it to become so much better then City of. Now years later and all co is/has done is the bare minimum.
So for me to quit playing co, was not do to being burnt out, it came in a few factors, one the forum cartel, pretty much made sure I never speak up again, after being called a troll asking for proof of something I never said. Two, the near nonexistent development, and three moving on to other games.
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Q prices which I felt were a bit insane. I never actually enjoyed the unique travels much in CO, swinging had clunkiness issues over time and the whole silver/gold champ recognition of late is so extreme a grind I feel CO makes you not only play in ludicrous raids which are only for those with already perfect gear but also force the holy trinity on everyone. Just as well play WoW.
They did raise the Q prices to a higher level than I like, but the only thing you have to have Merc Gear or better on are Cosmics. (My ranged TK toon only has has Mercenary Gear and he was consistently placing in the top ten in the Snake Gulch Mechanon Event that recently ran.)
Not everyone is going to love everything about a game. In COX I did not care to run the Incarnate Raids, but there were dozens-- hundreds-- of people who loved that sort of thing.
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They did raise the Q prices to a higher level than I like, but the only thing you have to have Merc Gear or better on are Cosmics. (My ranged TK toon only has has Mercenary Gear and he was consistently placing in the top ten in the Snake Gulch Mechanon Event that recently ran.)
Not everyone is going to love everything about a game. In COX I did not care to run the Incarnate Raids, but there were dozens-- hundreds-- of people who loved that sort of thing.
It's not so much what is a minimum in theory but what becomes a minimum by unwritten rules in mmorpgs. For instance, guild wars 1 you had to have rank 3 in heroes ascent to play heroes ascent. In order to get that rank requires playing heroes ascent. Why? Because players forced it for a time. This created a cruel catch 22 for newcomers.
The same tends to happen in raid content, I wouldn't be surprised if butt-heads ask for people to have justice gear for the cosmic raids. A given most people wouldn't be that stupid, but I've seen communities shove catch-22's on others before like that. It's the second worst form of elitism(the forum cartel behavior Angel Phoenix77 speaks of tops that many times over).
But elitism in general goes hand-in-hand with forum cartel behavior to, even if it qualifies as scrub-like(that is, getting nerfs to anything they don't like and only buffing there own stuff). Heck i don't even count the raids as proper challenging gameplay design, because it's only there for munchkins who just wanna make themselves uber, rather than challenge(as in hard but also fair) in the rest of the game from 1-40 which CO has lacked for years.
It isn't just the game or a small bit of content that drives me away from it. It's also the behavior of those players who have the devs ear which drive sensible players away from it in combination. I even made a post recently about it. CO is a sum of it's parts, not just the game itself but it's community. Since it's forum cartel have made the game only for them and got everything else nerfed into uselessness, well there is a reason so few people actually care for CO anymore at all.
In short in my post: CO's content has always been dry and based exclusively on pop culture references. It played a lot like WoW in quest content. The game didn't even mask that it's a game. The game treated the player character like a mary sue, and the overall content was very, very easy for anyone using optimal powers(while difficult for others for the wrong reasons). The game got easier for all, except maybe archtypes but even then, power creep made it even easier. This complete lack of challenge caused many players to become more anti-social as there was no incentive to ask for help or help others.
Combined with the game treating you like a mary sue, I feel it created many of the forum cartels we see, although I heard some were deplorable even before CO and had to be ran out of the forums. Ultimately though, they began to become excessively arrogant wanting extreme hard content exclusively for themselves and balance changes made to effect the rest of the game to make everyone play only like them. A lot of them turned narcissistic and SHFGish/scrubish. In the end, CO became the game it is today, a money-hungry scam which is only run by a forum cartel everyone knows to be scrubs/shfg's.
And I don't mind hard and challenging(hard but fair and skill based) gameplay, but when it's made exclusively for a few shfg's, screw it. Thats more in the category of punishing(unfair, trial error based, that is hard but unfair). SHFG's/scrubs of mmorpgs love it when they are the only ones who succeed in things and out-right hate when others can with effort and learning. And that separates the CO raid content from CoX's incarnate trials; CoX's incarnate trials were made to be challenging and for everyone to be able to beat them if they were willing to learn. Only the underground trial failed at that. CO's raid content is more "There is only one strategy and we will make sure everyone only plays exactly one way and it's holy trinity like every other mmorpg hahaha!".
In contrast, CoX the opposite happened, it's community grew and evolved and became both stronger and it's individuals were better overall. I'll let people find the post though rather than share here, if you want I'll share only in private message. The reason is I figure some CO deplorables would come here as they sometimes do. I will say though, it's far to late for CO to do anything, because the community it has now? It's stuck with em, if it tries to turn itself around it'd have to get rid of them. They certainly won't let that happen.
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I will say though, it's far to late for CO to do anything, because the community it has now? It's stuck with em, if it tries to turn itself around it'd have to get rid of them. They certainly won't let that happen.
The people you have a problem with and I have had a problem with aren't what I would call The community. I don't think so anyway. I lost a good hour of prime tradeskilling time this morning (bonus XP weekends are good for business..) to a CO channel due to following chat from people that I would consider a big part of The community. Due to they've been around since way before me and after me and seem to always play regularly.
Just thought I'd toss that out there. Also, the death of CO has been predicted well before I started playing, and all throughout, and still is being predicted to happen. It surely will, die, eventually. All things do. Hopefully not before we've moved on to a gaming form that transcends today's traditional PC/Consoles.
So what's the name of the new uber mini-zone? Is there anything noteworthy about it?
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The people you have a problem with and I have had a problem with aren't what I would call The community. I don't think so anyway. I lost a good hour of prime tradeskilling time this morning (bonus XP weekends are good for business..) to a CO channel due to following chat from people that I would consider a big part of The community. Due to they've been around since way before me and after me and seem to always play regularly.
Just thought I'd toss that out there. Also, the death of CO has been predicted well before I started playing, and all throughout, and still is being predicted to happen. It surely will, die, eventually. All things do. Hopefully not before we've moved on to a gaming form that transcends today's traditional PC/Consoles.
So what's the name of the new uber mini-zone? Is there anything noteworthy about it?
It's the Qlipthoth (sp?) Zone. You can reach it through the Until Building. Just go downstairs and follow the corridor that's to the left of the teleporter that takes you to the Cislunar Satellite.
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It's the Qlipthoth (sp?) Zone. You can reach it through the Until Building. Just go downstairs and follow the corridor that's to the left of the teleporter that takes you to the Cislunar Satellite.
Isn't that purple Andrith? The zone with the Witchcraft and friends Dailies that give a trickle of GCR that I was soloing with several toons until the math got to me?
QWZ.... right?
That doesn't qualify for New even by CO standards... : )
Isn't there a new lair? And don't say TA! hehe
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Yeah I've pretty much come to the same conclusions laughingalex has. CO has decayed so much I've actually been enjoying DCUO, but unfortunately that game constantly locks up and crashes on my machine for some reason (I can run much more demanding games with no issues) so I feel forced to give CO another look, but I log in and I'm just overcome with dissapointment at the shitty design of what they call "endgame"
You know I used to do it anyway just because I was dying for SOMETHING to do but that's not enough anymore. I actually need some kind of quality from the content I play now and CO isn't the game which has it.
I love my characters, and I log in mostly to check on them and maybe occasionally RP. but that's about all I can bring myself to do.
Also, hi Alex, I apologize for ignoring you in game, it was a dumb thing someone convinced me to do, and I probably should not have believed a word said person said. I know you don't log on much anymore but you're basically right about almost everything you said about CO lol. I've come to the same conclusions after enough time seeing the direction the game is headed with the stingy PWE overlords starving the game to death.
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Yeah I've pretty much come to the same conclusions laughingalex has. CO has decayed so much I've actually been enjoying DCUO, but unfortunately that game constantly locks up and crashes on my machine for some reason (I can run much more demanding games with no issues) so I feel forced to give CO another look, but I log in and I'm just overcome with dissapointment at the shitty design of what they call "endgame"
You know I used to do it anyway just because I was dying for SOMETHING to do but that's not enough anymore. I actually need some kind of quality from the content I play now and CO isn't the game which has it.
I love my characters, and I log in mostly to check on them and maybe occasionally RP. but that's about all I can bring myself to do.
Also, hi Alex, I apologize for ignoring you in game, it was a dumb thing someone convinced me to do, and I probably should not have believed a word said person said. I know you don't log on much anymore but you're basically right about almost everything you said about CO lol. I've come to the same conclusions after enough time seeing the direction the game is headed with the stingy PWE overlords starving the game to death.
It's ok man. I felt some CO players were gaslighting, heck one i thought was friend turned out to do just that. At times I feel CO itself has been fairly prone to mislead us in some way. It even brought some of the worst out of me and if I took it out on you anywhere I apologize.
It really stings me that they spend all there time recycling old content and making extreme grinds which, even if someone has success all the time, it's still grindy. Not to mention since I hear people asking for healers all the time I'm left thinking "Ok so it's same as guild wars" or wow. I always couldn't help but feel that some players just don't understand that other players aren't going to all want the same thing. And they often tended to be the most vocal.
I admit the line was crossed for me with the vehicle nerfs after 2.0. I mean 2.0 I admit wasn't perfect, but I never meant for them to over-buff the vehicles and then nerf them to uselessness after people spent way to much on them. It really made me snap. I mean heck, even that one post....I never even asked to make the vehicles into tanks. Course I feel responsible somewhat, but just can't help but feel that I had no way of knowing they'd twist the whole idea.
Then course I saw the SHFG's twisting the game further to be fun only for themselves, it turned me away from caring anymore and left me just hostile feeling towards the game and it's players. I log in, see melee buffed heavily and ranged sets like PA(a set i loved when I started playing the game) and even munitions nerfed or given boring "single target blast" powers which no one smart uses, well....it's like why even bother with anything but melee? Kinda like when melee was the only way to play after melee forms were introduced and melee did far, far higher damage than range so much so that, combined with lunges, made ranged pointless.
Feels like a repeat of all the things that happened just before I returned to CoX. Only this time I'm almost never playing anymore.
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It's not even the nerfs which really get to me. it's the fact the content itself is so shallow and punishing rather than challenging, and the fact I know there's not much hope of it improving.
As long as PWE owns CO, they'll continue to starve it, and we'll be left with Kaiserin being the only dev who cares, and as much as she might care for the game, she does not have much experience in game design, and she's working almost alone, and it shows in the content.
I still would enjoy playing my (nerfed) power armor character if there was engaging and CHALLENGING content to play. She still can put out a very respectable 5-6k dps.
Honestly in a game like CO I think melee probably should do more damage given the fact ranged doesn't have to deal with the crappy cast times games like WoW impose on you, and they can do the damage from 50-100 feet away.
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Honestly in a game like CO I think melee probably should do more damage given the fact ranged doesn't have to deal with the crappy cast times games like WoW impose on you, and they can do the damage from 50-100 feet away.
If you got your way, I think that would suck. (I have Justice geared melee And ranged and like playing both fwiw). I could go into the reasons why but the point is, to make one person happy, many times you have to make at least one person unhappy.
When I first started playing CO and for ~ 4 years after I was in bliss. I could have ran the same content over and over and over. It was the "I think they should's" that finally got me.
CO is a great game at its core. It allows you to make a pretty great comic book hero and have fun and look cool while playing it. It has a fair amount of old-timers who are still active players.
I was having a really good time playing CO right up until the last couple of weeks or so I played. When I played for like 2 weeks straight and had nothing but bad feelings about it, I stopped playing - rather than torture everyone else who was still enjoying the game, and, myself.
I had a good 4 years and 1000+ positive posts of fun out of CO. That's pretty darn good.
It worked out good for me that CO turned me off when it did. STO has been fairly awesome to me and I was just in time to get in on the 50th anniversary of the (real) original Star Trek. My damn ISP data limits is the only thing that ruins STO for me... : / I'd play much more. Wayyy more PVE queues.
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Melee already has more damage potential than ranged. Not much but a little. A ranged dps with top gear can expect to do 4-6k dps now, a melee dps can hit 7k. This is necessary to balance melee and ranged becuase melee characters have to deal with so much more crap and attacks than ranged. they really do deserve to do a little bit more damage.
I'll have to disagree with you that CO is a great game. the content is shallow and not fun at all. it's not a great game. it's an amazing character creator though.
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while im extremely biased about champions (having sunk money into it and playing it regularly) it's not bad but it isn't terrible is one of my points. there are much worse MMO's out there i'd have to admit, CO doesn't also bring a lot to the table lately.
i dont know if it's just the devs not being able to juice something interesting (last main update was the content for the QWZ, but that was really only a -fraction- (and 6+ months ago?) and for people who are 40 and actually have nothing else better to do.) then again i have a fear its the whole korean marketing thing and if they do one thing wrong it's off the block with them.
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I'll have to disagree with you that CO is a great game. the content is shallow and not fun at all. it's not a great game. it's an amazing character creator though.
I totally agree to disagree.
Posted by: Katzen
Wann ich 'Katzen' sehen, denke ich auf meine kleiners, Mutzi und Kater und Mokka. Ich vermisse dich!
(sorry for any bleeding inflicted on the audio canals of any native German speakers)
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I totally agree to disagree.
Wann ich 'Katzen' sehen, denke ich auf meine kleiners, Mutzi und Kater und Mokka. Ich vermisse dich!
(sorry for any bleeding inflicted on the audio canals of any native German speakers)
What I think Zee is talking about is that CO isn't actually great, although it certainly could have been. It's an ok game with a pretty good costume editor(although it loses on faces imo). It is just that the content updates have been so few and small or minimal that it's flaws started to get the better of many of us. The game had a lot of scrubs/shfg's who generally wanted to see everything nerfed before new content was released as they felt "Oh the new content would suck cause the games imbalanced". I'm thinking "How? How could it suck? You could just make it more challenging and buff up the weaker stuff. I mean the game has things like blocking, and whatnot, how about making CC viable, make buffs/debuffs more viable instead of just nerfing the good damage attacks all the time".
And I even asked for buffs to the average enemies here and there to accomidate that and avoid actual power creep. CO needed an overhaul if you really, really wanted it to be balanced and challenging. They really didn't need to do that much either all they had to do was give small adjustments to the base-level stats and the difficulty settings. Skyrim redone was a mod for skyrim which saw a damage increase for everything and overall adjustment to armor, know how many people worked on it? 1. It probably got some help with other things but 1 person was behind the overall changes and the perk adjustments.
But then they decided to just nerf the good stuff like two gun(making it an "awesome but impractical and thus useless" power that requires a player to be level 40 with awesome gear supporting energy unlocks/forms, oh they claim thats good enough to be usable, yeah right). Or nerf already "awesome but impractical" powers like straffing run when it was already nerfed and not very useful dps. It's like they wanted to make the game like WoW or make powersets all identical to one another with no viable nuances. Everytime something is good thats ranged it'd get nerfed, if it was still good nerfed it'd be nerfed again(or will be given it's direction).
Instead of giving the game some general revamps for the enemies to deal with the initial power creep that came with on-alert, they just started nerfing everything back to pre-on-alert which honestly wasn't that interesting to me. I felt melee was the only way to play because back then ranged had no toggles and a player could instantly close distance with a lunge, rendering range a foo-strategy. A player who knows what he's doing can easily out-damage range far more than you'd think, I used to one-shot pvpers with telekinesis(the set, not the worthless power) in the day even pre-melee-pass. Yeah.
Course they'd also have to deal with the other big problem I felt CO had, most enemy groups were half-clones of each other in that the nuances weren't that distinct but thats another story. Challenging games have to obey rule consistency and CO actually doesn't in places, it's easy because many enemies don't actually hurt that much or debuff the player much in a fight, plus they die fast. The only difficult content is content people wanting real challenging difficulty don't actually want; holy trinity grindfest raids :/.
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Wann ich 'Katzen' sehen, denke ich auf meine kleiners, Mutzi und Kater und Mokka. Ich vermisse dich!
Germans. Even when they're being sweet and affectionate, they sound angry. :D
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Not only what alex said, but even holy trinity raids can be done a lot better than the crap we see in CO for endgame. I've played WoW, I've played FFXIV and I've seen the huge difference in content design. I'd honestly rather be playing those games if I want a game to play. poor content design has rendered CO into nothing more than an RP engine for me.
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Germans. Even when they're being sweet and affectionate, they sound angry. :D
I didn't think this guy ever sounded angry https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozg7gEchjuM :).
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Germans. Even when they're being sweet and affectionate, they sound angry. :D
Austrians have a nice soft version of German. For example, you won't hear them say 'Zee', it's a softer 'See' (trivia: that's the respectful form of 'You' - 'Zee/See' ('Sie') does not mean 'The', as in, ZEE GERMANS!). It's 'Zwo', not 'Zwei'. It's 'No, yo' not 'na ja'.
French was a language I was surprised I didn't like to hear. It was like, 'can you please remove whatever that is from your mouth before speaking?'. To be fair it has to be mentioned that the only French I heard was from a chain smoking (attractive female) telemarketer I sat across from, radio newscasters, and airport employees who seemed annoyed at anyone not speaking French (Speak 'Merican!).
Austrian German can be quite sexah.
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Less Educated: Dana Carvey (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6mndRtsS88).
More accurate: YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezrJHau7dzU) (although the dude is clearly yelling.)
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Ahh I barely remember the days when I would click streaming video links without a second thought. Or even a first. Often, there was no thought involved at all.
I'm on extreme rations already tyvm to ISP Data Limits and the STO season 13 megapatch. sorry!
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I'm new to this community, BTW good afternoon friend. I'm looking to be mentored a bit about the game (sorry if the terminology is weird) I looked at the game and it looks pretty cool, if no one is really able/wants to play the game and guide my confusion that's cool
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The character creator is amazing, I'll give it that but players tend to tire of the actual content rather quickly given the poor design. Any challenge often ends up punishing rather than legitimately challenging, and everything else is either too easy or too simple.
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Testeklys, for Praetor of the Universe!
Popped in the game for the first time in awhile, my favorite Custom tied with Warlord (I'll run Warlord way more times than FM but FM ... is FM) is up, and, I get in a dream team right off. Shredded it. No vehicles.
Cleared out the Dailies on my 2 best(?) dps and logged off with a smile. Are you kidding me? CO is great. Fast paced, the powers are cool, and the chicks are hot.
I'm 5 Gateway to Gre`thor runs away from a full Iconian not-weapons set (all 4 pieces...) on my main guy (that I'm still not sure I'm going to get for him...but...I want choices!). So... back to STO!
Yes, I *am* logging in and out, to and fro, willy nilly as I please! My usage just got reset with a week left in billing and my data limit says.......... UNLIMITED.
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Damn STO! It just won't stop being fun... : /
Been wanting to play some CO, but, there's just never any time leftover. Anyone done anything especially fun lately? What's MD?