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Title: Titans
Post by: CG on October 04, 2018, 06:25:16 PM
http://collider.com/titans-review/

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In DC Universe’s Titans, Dick Grayson (Brenton Thwaites) stabs a guy in the balls with a pair of garden shears. Unfortunately, the powers that be say I have to write more than that sentence about Titans, but I do truly think every aspect of this show—its tone, its aesthetic, its story, its themes—boil down to the image of Dick Grayson, the original Robin, Boy Wonder, charming vigilante do-gooder, plunging a gardening tool into another man’s crotch.
Title: Re: Titans
Post by: MyriVerse on October 04, 2018, 06:38:30 PM
I'm hoping this stuff will be blamed on Raven's darkness. But I suspect the plan is to dial him back. He's just starting in this really dark place, a place he doesn't want to be.
Title: Re: Titans
Post by: Vee on October 04, 2018, 07:00:08 PM
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All put together, Titans lands just about as gracefully as The Flying Graysons.

Too soon >:O
Title: Re: Titans
Post by: CG on October 04, 2018, 07:25:53 PM
I'm hoping this stuff will be blamed on Raven's darkness. But I suspect the plan is to dial him back. He's just starting in this really dark place, a place he doesn't want to be.
Without knowing more about the series and Batman's relationship with Robin, you have to wonder why Batman doesn't come and apprehend Robin for being a psychopath.

That said, I will never know because I'll be giving this series a hard pass.
Title: Re: Titans
Post by: MyriVerse on October 04, 2018, 08:13:50 PM
From what's been said, this Robin is trying not to be like Batman.
Title: Re: Titans
Post by: Tenzhi on October 05, 2018, 06:07:12 AM
Maybe the writers plan to have Dick Grayson become Nite-Wing.
Title: Re: Titans
Post by: Night-Hawk07 on October 05, 2018, 08:09:29 PM
At this point, I think DC just needs to quit trying the live action thing for awhile. They hit it pretty good with the Nolan Batman films, Arrow, The Flash and Wonder Woman, but since then its anywhere between meh (BvS, JL) to dumpster fire (Titans, Suicide Squad). Even Disney decided to back off on Star Wars a bit after one movie that fractured the fanbase and another that barely moved the needle (not that it was bad, just poor release planning).
Title: Re: Titans
Post by: Vee on October 12, 2018, 11:33:42 PM
If you are going to make the terrible decision to watch this be sure to have your tv cliche bingo card handy. I ran it at 2.5x speed and it still seemed to last hours. It's like they had the production team divided into team boring and team stupid and set up a competition. They both won.

Spoiler for Hidden:
Too bad they made Sherilyn Fenn not be Raven's real mother. Could have had a crossover with Twin Peaks where the White Lodge turns out to be in Azarath and Bob was Trigon. Could hardly be any worse than this was.
Title: Re: Titans
Post by: MyriVerse on October 13, 2018, 02:54:03 PM
Hmm... except for the excessive violence, I enjoyed it.
Title: Re: Titans
Post by: Vee on October 13, 2018, 03:03:09 PM
*No video games were harmed in the filming of this episode.
Title: Re: Titans
Post by: MyriVerse on October 13, 2018, 05:37:22 PM
Eesh... Batman better be dead or something for letting Dick walk around like that.
Title: Re: Titans
Post by: Vee on October 20, 2018, 07:50:55 AM
Ep 2 was way better. Still lots of cliche but at least not painful. Not dreading ep 3 at least.
Title: Re: Titans
Post by: MyriVerse on October 21, 2018, 08:27:22 PM
I still wish they weren't so violent and brutal, but I'm starting to like the characters. Had some tears with this one.
Title: Re: Titans
Post by: Vee on December 15, 2018, 01:45:07 AM
In case everyone stopped watching, this has gotten decidedly non-awful.
Title: Re: Titans
Post by: MyriVerse on December 15, 2018, 12:39:23 PM
Yeah, while I still think Dick is way too dark, I'm just about loving this show. I'm enjoying it more than any Arrowverse show. I hope Donna sticks around. She dropped the statement that she still has her Wonder Girl suit, and I'm hoping that was a Chekhov's gun (want to see her in it).

I heard a rumour there will be a complete cast change by the end of season, and I'm not happy about that. Maybe it ends on a cliffhanger with this main group trapped by Trigon and the second-stringers (Hawk, Dove, Jason) need to help them next season. I could maybe live with that.

And Doom Patrol was great.
Title: Re: Titans
Post by: CG on December 18, 2018, 06:15:56 PM
Is Robin still murdering people?
Title: Re: Titans
Post by: Vee on December 18, 2018, 06:54:54 PM
He's been taking a back seat and letting the others do most of the murdering lately.
Title: Re: Titans
Post by: MyriVerse on December 19, 2018, 12:15:21 PM
So... (spoilers from a couple eps ago)

Spoiler for Hidden:
That building full of cult scientists? Do we think they miraculously escaped or are they scores of roasted corpses?
Title: Re: Titans
Post by: Vee on December 19, 2018, 05:54:58 PM
So... (spoilers from a couple eps ago)

Spoiler for Hidden:
That building full of cult scientists? Do we think they miraculously escaped or are they scores of roasted corpses?

The latter
Spoiler for Hidden:
hence the brief pause before making the call :D
Title: Re: Titans
Post by: ryuplaneswalker on December 22, 2018, 09:49:58 AM
So the first episodes were terribly painful to get through.

It definitely suffers from the "GRIM DARK!" syndrome badly.

It has become okayish though, I don't hate myself when I watch it anymore like the first five episodes.
Title: Re: Titans
Post by: Vee on December 23, 2018, 02:43:07 AM
I thought it started getting good with the Jason episode. Has been hit or miss since but at least I was looking forward to the finale.
Spoiler for Hidden:
Though not necessarily looking forward to next season after that post-credits sequence.
Title: Re: Titans
Post by: ryuplaneswalker on December 23, 2018, 01:26:29 PM
I wanted to punch Jason in the face for that entire episode.
Title: Re: Titans
Post by: MyriVerse on December 23, 2018, 04:43:48 PM
I thought it started getting good with the Jason episode. Has been hit or miss since but at least I was looking forward to the finale.
Spoiler for Hidden:
Though not necessarily looking forward to next season after that post-credits sequence.
Spoiler for Hidden:
Awww... but Krypto's giving us puppy dog eyes!

The finale was pretty much what I thought it would be, except I thought the whole team was going to be captured and screwed by Trigon. I think there was way too much Dick in this episode and not enough everyone else.
Title: Re: Titans
Post by: Vee on December 23, 2018, 04:58:21 PM
I wanted to punch Jason in the face for that entire episode.

I know, they completely nailed him. But I'd suggest a crowbar so you don't hurt your hands.

Spoiler for Hidden:
BTW the Trigon eyes on Growly were a nice touch.
Title: Re: Titans
Post by: doc7924 on December 26, 2018, 06:03:58 PM
Any ties to the Arrowverse or just another Earth in the Manyverse?
Title: Re: Titans
Post by: Vee on December 26, 2018, 06:10:52 PM
No ties, thankfully. At least not yet.
Title: Re: Titans
Post by: doc7924 on December 29, 2018, 01:09:47 AM
No ties, thankfully. At least not yet.

I wonder if any of these other shows will feature in the upcoming Crisis in the Arrowverse. I would imagine even though they haven't had any crossovers or connections yet, shows like Titans and Black Lightning are probably part of the overall multiverse, just as the movies probably are.
Title: Re: Titans
Post by: ryuplaneswalker on December 30, 2018, 12:18:58 AM
I love how even in Dick Grayson's perfect world where he is married to Dawn..he is still a Dick to her and is almost divorced.
Title: Re: Titans
Post by: doc7924 on December 30, 2018, 01:12:44 PM
I love how even in Dick Grayson's perfect world where he is married to Dawn..he is still a Dick to her and is almost divorced.

Well Dick will always be a Dick - I always wondered how a name like Dick didn't have any problems in the 40's in a kid's comic book.

Though we did have Dick Tracy.
Title: Re: Titans
Post by: MyriVerse on December 31, 2018, 12:21:19 PM
Heck, the popular children's learning book series with Tom, Dick and Harry.

Back in the 40s, the name was pretty much at its all-time height in popularity (and not just as a nickname).
Title: Re: Titans
Post by: doc7924 on December 31, 2018, 09:59:31 PM
Heck, the popular children's learning book series with Tom, Dick and Harry.

Back in the 40s, the name was pretty much at its all-time height in popularity (and not just as a nickname).

I guess back then Dick wasn't associated immediately with you know what as it is now.

Just how back in the day 'gay' meant something different.
Title: Re: Titans
Post by: MyriVerse on January 09, 2019, 02:32:43 PM
Yeah, although the derogatory reference dates back to the late 19th century, it wasn't as pronounced as it today. Plus, there were lots of awesome Dicks to block the bad references.  I think all hope for the name died with Dick Clark... but at least we still have Dick Van Dyke.
Title: Re: Titans
Post by: doc7924 on January 09, 2019, 04:48:20 PM
Yeah, although the derogatory reference dates back to the late 19th century, it wasn't as pronounced as it today. Plus, there were lots of awesome Dicks to block the bad references.  I think all hope for the name died with Dick Clark... but at least we still have Dick Van Dyke.

Stuff like this reminds me of that classic Carson interview with Zsa Zsa Gabor which may or not actually have happened:

As the tale has it, she once came on carrying a cat, which she held in her lap. She is said to have asked Carson, “Would you like to pet my pussy?”
His fabled reply: “I’d love to, but you’ll have to remove that damn cat.”
Title: Re: Titans
Post by: MyriVerse on November 12, 2019, 02:17:51 PM
Season 3 is happening!

Except for the treatment of Dick, and just about everything about Jason and Hank, I've been enjoying this season a lot.
Title: Re: Titans
Post by: Xev on November 19, 2019, 11:06:02 PM
Comic book gorenography in the new shows deserves its own topic.

I really have no idea at all what audience they are playing to. It's not a comic book audience - not unless the comic book audience has *vastly* changed, since... ever. I mean grit is one thing. And comic books can destroy whole worlds...dimensions.. and do it across time. But it's never been about each bucket of blood and all the details that goes into filling it.

I mean, I'm no prude. I used to sneak into the goriest horror movies of the time when I was too young to get in 'legal' and I had my the gorier the better period, but, I never sought my gore from a comic book movie. I don't get it.

Title: Re: Titans
Post by: Vee on November 20, 2019, 01:56:18 AM
There's gore? My desensitization is hard-capped on every toon.
Title: Re: Titans
Post by: Xev on November 20, 2019, 03:39:43 PM
I'm no fan of irony but I imagine my superheroes being against the glorification of... gore. Once a person starts slowly getting dismembered in front of you, in detail, and similar, episode to episode, the subject no longer has anything to do with superheroes or mainstream comics. Which is why I have to ask who they are playing to.

I mean it's not just 'ewww' it's so bad that it ruins perfectly acceptable shows about the genre we all luv to the point I can't watch them and have to ask what the point of what they are doing is.

When the gore becomes more shocking than the heroes then it's no longer about the heroes its about the gore and that's not what most comics are about. They're about the wild and far out - the super. There's nothing super about gore. Just about anyone can produce it if they really want to. It's very non-super and doesn't require you to get bit by a radioactive spider or come from another planet.

A lot of kids read comics, too, ya know. As a very young kid I can't imagine wanting to watch what we are talking about here and I can't imagine why people would want to show it to me.
Title: Re: Titans
Post by: Vee on November 20, 2019, 06:53:31 PM
They're trying to appeal to a broad audience, maybe? People who want lighthearted comic stuff can watch flash and legends. But if you look at DC's history what are the best thought of books they've done? Watchmen and Dark Knight Returns. Those are both rather violent. I don't find Titans to be particularly good but it's not the violence that bothers me. I would say though that if you find the violence in Titans objectionable you should probably avoid The Boys, which is a much better show.
Title: Re: Titans
Post by: Xev on November 21, 2019, 02:52:14 PM
It's not about wanting flowers and sunshine in my comics it's about the gore being on a level that I can't watch. I realize it's partly me due to I don't like to watch horror anymore, but, it was never a requirement to have a strong stomach to watch comic book TV shows, ever, in my life, until now.

It's about not glorifying the very thing that comic books are against - extreme injustice and the dark side.

Grit is one thing. Shock and awe is another. Comics shock and awe for me has always come from the realm of the far out and creative imagination. Seeing someone's head getting slammed into a car door (on what I am assuming to be commercial TV that anyone can watch) repeatedly until it falls apart in a bloody mess is pointless to me and not a comic book experience I want to share with the newcomers to comics, the kids.

They're trying to appeal to a broad audience, maybe?

But what audience? I'm as avid of a comic book fan as anyone in my own way and I have to turn these shows off due to they insult the memory of my comics, well, and, I don't want to support what they are doing by watching, and, it completely turns me off. You can't slowly gorenagraphically dismemeber someone in front of me and then come back to flute music and butterflies and try and fill me with feelgood.

It feels weird being the one with his nose in the air on this. I mean, I was less.. pure than a lot of kids when I first read comics. I saw the Exorcist when I was like 10. I'm no saint or prude. But man, this stuff with the over the top gore in a comic book show just doesn't fit, to me. It's on commercial TV (Iron Fist, Daredevil.. whatever else I missed) that lil kids can watch, too, huh? I mean, I know all of us sophisticated adults are cleared to watch gorenography but I guess kids are now too.

I'm definitely not mainstream so what would I know. I'm truly confused that what we are talking about is seen as perfectly acceptable to the average actual comic book fan. It's a square peg in a round hole to me. It's not like I'm on a campaign to end gorenography I just don't get why it's in our comic book shows, in such excruciating detail, and why we're introducing some of today's kids to comics this way. It's like horror in tights. Kinda like watching porn in tights. I mean, where they're all dressed up like superheroes but the subject isn't superheroing, it's porn.



Title: Re: Titans
Post by: Vee on November 21, 2019, 03:04:35 PM
It's not commercial TV, it's streaming services which presumably if parents don't want their kids watching things they can not tell them the password.

But again, i'm just way more desensitized to violence evidently. I don't even notice gore in titans. Not even really sure what episodes you're talking about tbh, must've been s1 stuff that didn't even make enough of an impression for me to recall.
Title: Re: Titans
Post by: Xev on November 21, 2019, 03:34:23 PM
The car door thing was Daredevil (that I was starting to like). Like the 3rd episode.

I can't imagine myself not being able to access whatever I want in Netflix, at any age, **especially** if I was a child comic book fan with shows to watch.

Well, judging by the don't-careness, guess it's just me. I shall drop the torch. I'm glad I'm no longer desensitized but feel like I lost something when I see today's shows about the comics I grew up with.

Guess there is *one* feelgood moment here. I've never been happier to be non-mainstream. I've never felt better about what I missed on TV and in movies the last 10-20 years. I feel sorry for today's kids and what they lost.

Title: Re: Titans
Post by: MyriVerse on November 23, 2019, 06:27:41 PM
Nah, man. You didn't lose anything.

The kids these days have.

Anyway... Loved this penultimate episode. The scene with Rachel and Kory in the car had me rolling, as did the brief talk of fruitcake and how Dick likes it. It was difficult to watch the Hank scenes, but I think he's overcoming his demons.

"Princess Alien Pink Hair from planet Tam-O-Whatever!"
Title: Re: Titans
Post by: Xev on November 23, 2019, 08:36:47 PM
There's tons of good stuff, too. Since when did the Hulk start talking...? I know I shouldn't ask.. I liked him more when he was big and dumb as a post but I'll probably get used to it. I saw my first talking Hulk in … Iron Man and Captain America: Heroes United (Netflix). This, is a superb Saturday/Sunday morning cartoon btw. And that's how I watched it this morning : )

As a kid, I can nearly guarantee you that if it was on TV (Netflix is modern TV) and came from Marvel or DC I would watch it. I'm glad I didn't experience Daredevil, for the first time, like I did, the last time. And I dunno what else to say about that.

I mean, hey. I grew up when Schwarzenegger was making films and the more foul you could be and talk, the cooler you were, and he is/was a sort of hero. I get the mentality that to be taken 'seriously' you have to be the edgiest, but...

I dunno it just doesn't seem superheroey, what we're talking about - to glorify the gore. And apparently it's an it's just me thing sooo. Yeah. I'll let it go. I just don't think it's right to take any comic book material at all away from kids. I'm glad no one took any of it away from me!! We're not talking about comics like (I can't think of a good one because I didn't read them) Spawn or something like this.. we're talking about Batman, Iron Fist, Daredevil - guys I couldn't get enough of, when, I was, like... super small.

*shrug*

Again, torch is down. I guess it's just me. Not the first time for such an event and not the first time I didn't see it coming  : )