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Title: The Flash Season 5
Post by: Dev7on on October 10, 2018, 02:35:08 PM
I don't know if you guys are interested in the show or not, but I'm going to create this thread just in case. So.... Nora Allen-West. I got nothing.
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: Vee on October 10, 2018, 11:48:13 PM
I'm not interested in it but I watched it anyway. Just as terrible as always.

Spoiler for Hidden:
Was that supposed to be a Qwardian weaponeer at the end with the lightning bolt knife that looked like a 6 year old made it?
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: Tenzhi on October 11, 2018, 04:34:12 AM
Dagnabbit.  Now I'll have to watch it just to find a reason to disagree with Vee.  ;)
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: Vee on October 11, 2018, 05:15:01 AM
Dagnabbit.  Now I'll have to watch it just to find a reason to disagree with Vee.  ;)

Nuh-uh


Oh and kudos to them for bringing back 'schway'. Cuz when middle aged nerds made up future teen speak in the late 90s they made it to last.
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: Tenzhi on October 11, 2018, 01:40:23 PM
Oh and kudos to them for bringing back 'schway'. Cuz when middle aged nerds made up future teen speak in the late 90s they made it to last.

I thought that callback was beyond groovy.

The new suit was pretty good.

Iris' face looked a bit weird to me.

It seemed like the writers didn't know what to do with Dibny but were obligated to do something.
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: Super Firebug on October 14, 2018, 08:49:38 PM
I loved it - much better than last season. I wish that we could have stuck around long enough to see Nora's face the first time that she heard her father say, "I'm proud of you." Also, while I know that Cisco can recite almost every line from almost any movie, I didn't expect him to have a not-very-well-known Shakespeare reference like, "I am Fortune's fool!" And finally, when Wally clocked Gridlock, I would have had him say, "Sir,..." [speedpunch] "...please remain seated."
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: Codewalker on October 15, 2018, 02:48:49 AM
Waaaaaay better than the first episode of last season ("Oh, Iris is in trouble, let me magically snap out of it and become weirdly over-the-top happy!"). Of course I actually enjoyed the rest of S4 overall more than I was led to expect from the awful reviews, so who knows.

Figures that the apple doesn't fall far from the tree as far as completely screwing up the timeline. Allen speedsters just can't help themselves. Nora seems like exactly what I expected from the teasers in S4.
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: doc7924 on October 15, 2018, 01:57:40 PM
Waaaaaay better than the first episode of last season ("Oh, Iris is in trouble, let me magically snap out of it and become weirdly over-the-top happy!"). Of course I actually enjoyed the rest of S4 overall more than I was led to expect from the awful reviews, so who knows.

Figures that the apple doesn't fall far from the tree as far as completely screwing up the timeline. Allen speedsters just can't help themselves. Nora seems like exactly what I expected from the teasers in S4.

Luckily Barry wasn't around when she was growing up or he could have taught her how to REALLY screw up the timeline.

Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: Super Firebug on October 15, 2018, 06:11:12 PM
I just realized that Barry wasn't simply making a lame excuse when he said that they should make sure that Nora's powers were "working correctly" before sending her back. He realized that they might not be able to stop his going missing, and so, if she does need to continue as the city's guardian, she needs to be a fully-capable speedster.
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: doc7924 on October 16, 2018, 01:48:19 AM
I just realized that Barry wasn't simply making a lame excuse when he said that they should make sure that Nora's powers were "working correctly" before sending her back. He realized that they might not be able to stop his going missing, and so, if she does need to continue as the city's guardian, she needs to be a fully-capable speedster.

So no faith in Wally I guess?

He just never learns though. Messing around with time and time travel is bad, M'kay.

Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: Tenzhi on October 18, 2018, 09:16:05 PM
I reserve the right to be extremely annoyed if the big bad turns out to be Caitlyn's father.  Or just merely annoyed if he's linked to her father.
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: Vee on October 19, 2018, 03:34:27 AM
I think Joe must be pregnant irl since they're only ever showing him sitting down this season.
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: Tenzhi on October 19, 2018, 04:21:39 AM
I think Joe must be pregnant irl since they're only ever showing him sitting down this season.

Wasn't he standing in the doorway in a checking-the-baby-plus-drama scene?
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: Vee on October 19, 2018, 04:58:48 AM
I try to come up with something silly to say that doesn't involve how awful the show is and Tenzhi has to go and call shenanigans >:O
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: Tenzhi on October 30, 2018, 08:45:31 PM
So the theme this season is fathers it seems.

Does Cavanagh have a clause in his contract where he has to play numerous characters?  Sheesh.  Sherloque is mildly irritating (and seems more like a Hercule). 
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: Vee on November 01, 2018, 12:58:02 AM
So an argument combining lying with who gets to go into danger! From the future! Oh cw writers you spoil us.
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: doc7924 on November 01, 2018, 01:52:29 PM
So the theme this season is fathers it seems.

Does Cavanagh have a clause in his contract where he has to play numerous characters?  Sheesh.  Sherloque is mildly irritating (and seems more like a Hercule).

That's rather the point. He gets to play different versions of the same guy. Annoying and French. Though could be argued almost the same thing.  8)
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: MyriVerse on November 01, 2018, 02:12:45 PM
Does Cavanagh have a clause in his contract where he has to play numerous characters?  Sheesh.  Sherloque is mildly irritating (and seems more like a Hercule).
Well, it's definitely a Flash thing that Cavanagh plays multiple roles. And the multiverse is a Flash thing. And pretty much ALL Wellses are mildly irritating.
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: Super Firebug on November 03, 2018, 04:13:31 AM
Ever since Nora said "Papa Joe" and "Mama Cecile" in the season premiere, my brain keeps trying to turn them into "Papa John" (the name of a pizza restaurant) and "Mama Celeste" (the name of a brand of frozen pizza). :/ Guess what I like.
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: Tenzhi on November 03, 2018, 04:42:37 AM
Guess what I like.

Chili dogs! :D
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: Mandu on November 03, 2018, 10:48:31 PM
I think Joe must be pregnant irl since they're only ever showing him sitting down this season.

The actual reason is bad. He got a severe back injury during the hiatus.  They are going to write him out of the show for the rest of the season. Don't know when that episode is happening but Joe will be gone for most of the season and they are "hoping" he will be recovered for season six.
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: Vee on November 03, 2018, 11:03:11 PM
I knew something seemed off about his appearances but wrote it off to my imagination after Tenzhi pointed out he had stood some.

And re Super Firebug's message - I'm sure Papa John's would be thrilled if he were Papa John. Would have saved them a PR nightmare.
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: Super Firebug on November 05, 2018, 02:30:26 AM
Chili dogs! :D
Them, too, of course.
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: doc7924 on November 06, 2018, 02:45:41 PM
The actual reason is bad. He got a severe back injury during the hiatus.  They are going to write him out of the show for the rest of the season. Don't know when that episode is happening but Joe will be gone for most of the season and they are "hoping" he will be recovered for season six.

Too bad. I was hoping he would be ok to film more active stuff by the end of the season.

He is great as Joe.
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: CG on November 09, 2018, 03:27:28 AM
I'm sorry to hear that he was so badly injured. Jesse Martin is one of the best things about the Flash. He brings so much heart to the show. He's probably the thing I miss most since I stopped watching.
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: Ulysses Dare on November 14, 2018, 07:21:01 PM
Man, I'm sorry to hear that.  :-\ I kept meaning to check and see if he was sick or injured. Like Vee said, normally when I see an actress portrayed like that my first thought would be "she must be pregnant". Unfortunately, the probable explanations for male actors are less worthy of celebration.
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: Mandu on November 15, 2018, 12:52:37 PM
Man, I'm sorry to hear that.  :-\ I kept meaning to check and see if he was sick or injured. Like Vee said, normally when I see an actress portrayed like that my first thought would be "she must be pregnant". Unfortunately, the probable explanations for male actors are less worthy of celebration.

No kidding.  For instance the final season of Hercules the Legendary Journeys. They almost completely eliminated the fighting and started doing shows where characters would spend 10 minutes explaining their philosophy. Or alternate universe stories where the characters wound up in a universe where they were actors playing the part (our universe).  And all because Kevin Sorbo had a stroke and couldn't stand, got exhausted after just a couple minutes, couldn't hear well, etc...
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: Tenzhi on November 15, 2018, 03:00:51 PM
No kidding.  For instance the final season of Hercules the Legendary Journeys. They almost completely eliminated the fighting and started doing shows where characters would spend 10 minutes explaining their philosophy. Or alternate universe stories where the characters wound up in a universe where they were actors playing the part (our universe).  And all because Kevin Sorbo had a stroke and couldn't stand, got exhausted after just a couple minutes, couldn't hear well, etc...

An answer to a question I didn't even know I wanted to ask!
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: doc7924 on November 15, 2018, 04:51:04 PM
Man, I'm sorry to hear that.  :-\ I kept meaning to check and see if he was sick or injured. Like Vee said, normally when I see an actress portrayed like that my first thought would be "she must be pregnant". Unfortunately, the probable explanations for male actors are less worthy of celebration.

Unless the male actor was placed behind strategically located plants or pillows on the lap or wear way to bulky clothes.

Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: Tenzhi on November 15, 2018, 09:51:44 PM
Grant Gustin had some oddly dark moustache stubble going on in that Rag Doll episode.
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: Vee on November 15, 2018, 11:30:11 PM
Grant Gustin had some oddly dark moustache stubble going on in that Rag Doll episode.

He's pregnant too.
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: doc7924 on November 16, 2018, 08:30:01 PM
He's pregnant too.


[Homer Simpson grumble voice]     "Stupid dark matter side effects.."
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: Tenzhi on November 29, 2018, 01:44:22 PM
Good gravy, they are really being heavy handed with this whole fathers theme...
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: MyriVerse on November 29, 2018, 06:33:45 PM
Generally, the father thing is cool for me, but I'm getting tired of Nora's lesson of the week.

Spoiler for Hidden:
Seriously? She's got a part of her that is mad at her dad?! This is something about which I have firsthand knowledge. My father was murdered while doing his job, and I never got to really know him. I'll be damned if I'd ever come close to blaming him for it. She lost a ton of respect from me this week, not that she had much.
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: doc7924 on December 02, 2018, 12:41:41 PM
Generally, the father thing is cool for me, but I'm getting tired of Nora's lesson of the week.

Spoiler for Hidden:
Seriously? She's got a part of her that is mad at her dad?! This is something about which I have firsthand knowledge. My father was murdered while doing his job, and I never got to really know him. I'll be damned if I'd ever come close to blaming him for it. She lost a ton of respect from me this week, not that she had much.

Don't know why she even bothered coming back to the past then.
Spoiler for Hidden:
She seems to have hate for both parents. And it seems to spring from nowhere - the first couple episodes she was so happy to be with mom and dad and then suddenly she gets mad at Iris that one episode. Where was this anger when they first met? Then she was all happy to work with Barry then suddenly now she is mad at him too? Plus she tells him he should give up being the Flash to change his future. I guess trying to f**k up the timeline runs in the family.

And the lesson of the week is getting tiresome. Honestly, she sucks at being a speedster for the most part. No wonder Iris took away her powers in the future.

Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: Mandu on December 02, 2018, 09:57:10 PM
Don't know why she even bothered coming back to the past then.
Spoiler for Hidden:
She seems to have hate for both parents. And it seems to spring from nowhere - the first couple episodes she was so happy to be with mom and dad and then suddenly she gets mad at Iris that one episode. Where was this anger when they first met? Then she was all happy to work with Barry then suddenly now she is mad at him too? Plus she tells him he should give up being the Flash to change his future. I guess trying to f**k up the timeline runs in the family.

And the lesson of the week is getting tiresome. Honestly, she sucks at being a speedster for the most part. No wonder Iris took away her powers in the future.

Spoiler for Hidden:
Of course she hates both her parents. In the Arrowverse lies are the ultimate evil.  If you killed your inlaws the response would be "You couldn't help it. Don't blame yourself."  but lie about not eating the last slice of pizza and it's divorce time because you are utterly untrustworthy.  Mom lied about the implant. Dad lied about staying safe.  In order to redeem yourself you have to do something absolutely suicidal and somehow survive. After which everything returns to normal until you lie about starting the dishwasher.
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: Dev7on on December 03, 2018, 03:46:57 AM
Spoiler for Hidden:
Of course she hates both her parents. In the Arrowverse lies are the ultimate evil.  If you killed your inlaws the response would be "You couldn't help it. Don't blame yourself."  but lie about not eating the last slice of pizza and it's divorce time because you are utterly untrustworthy.  Mom lied about the implant. Dad lied about staying safe.  In order to redeem yourself you have to do something absolutely suicidal and somehow survive. After which everything returns to normal until you lie about starting the dishwasher.

LOL
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: Dev7on on December 05, 2018, 04:41:28 AM
Spoiler for Hidden:
Barry: Hey guys, how do we stop Cicada?
Nora: I have an idea. Let's f--- up time to defeat him.
Barry: No.
Nora: Yes.
Barry: Ok.
STUPID!
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: Tenzhi on December 05, 2018, 02:14:48 PM
Well that was a convoluted mess of time travel.  Interesting bit at the end.  And after.
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: Super Firebug on December 06, 2018, 02:05:05 AM
Having the original 1990 "The Flash" series on DVD, I immediately recognized that the Flash costume, at the end, is the one from that series. It's probably a copy, since the original was made from some kind of latex, but it's the same design - right down to the too-small white circle and/or oversized lightning bolt on the chest emblem, and the corners on the mask's eyeholes.
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: doc7924 on December 06, 2018, 05:21:30 PM
Having the original 1990 "The Flash" series on DVD, I immediately recognized that the Flash costume, at the end, is the one from that series. It's probably a copy, since the original was made from some kind of latex, but it's the same design - right down to the too-small white circle and/or oversized lightning bolt on the chest emblem, and the corners on the mask's eyeholes.

Yep. Probably made with newer materials but looks the same. Wasn't the original some deeps sea suit or something?

Shipp is getting as many characters on this show as Cavanaugh lol.
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: Super Firebug on December 06, 2018, 06:33:30 PM
Spoiler for Hidden:
"At least you still have one."

I had originally thought that it was a reference to Barry's having had twins in the comic books (one of them being named Dawn), but only having one child in this timeline. But now, I know that it makes much more sense for it to be more like, "At least you still have one Nora, despite my having murdered the other." That would explain the hatred on Barry's face in reaction to the line.
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: saipaman on December 07, 2018, 12:35:51 AM
Wasn't the original some deeps sea suit or something?

That's how I remember it.
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: CG on December 07, 2018, 03:50:37 AM
About Nora's ability to time travel:

Spoiler for Hidden:
I thought she had done something to her timeline that she couldn't get home.  Was she faking that all along, or did they fix that? 

Presumably she's still in 2018 to keep her dad from dying.
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: eabrace on December 07, 2018, 05:58:48 AM
Spoiler for Hidden:
I thought she had done something to her timeline that she couldn't get home.  Was she faking that all along, or did they fix that? 

It was a lie.  She was using it as an excuse to hang out with and get to know her father.
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: doc7924 on December 07, 2018, 05:31:21 PM
Spoiler for Hidden:
It was a lie.  She was using it as an excuse to hang out with and get to know her father.

Spoiler for Hidden:
And yell at her mother. And then make up with her. And then get mad at her father. And then make up with him.
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: eabrace on December 07, 2018, 08:31:17 PM
Spoiler for Hidden:
And yell at her mother. And then make up with her. And then get mad at her father. And then make up with him.

Teenagers, man...
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: Vee on January 16, 2019, 12:31:57 PM
I know we were all on pins and needles worrying that after the crossover and the break they might decide that dark matter infused tech was too clown shoes even for this show. Instead they doubled down. I for one am relieved.
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: doc7924 on January 16, 2019, 04:02:41 PM
I know we were all on pins and needles worrying that after the crossover and the break they might decide that dark matter infused tech was too clown shoes even for this show. Instead they doubled down. I for one am relieved.

I'm still waiting for the old cliché of a dark matter video game system that brings its characters to life.
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: Tenzhi on January 16, 2019, 09:42:58 PM
I don't have time for these to come back now, dagnabbit.  There's Punisher season 2 and The Grand Tour season 3 coming up, and this anime to finish...  blargh.
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: doc7924 on January 17, 2019, 05:40:25 PM
I don't have time for these to come back now, dagnabbit.  There's Punisher season 2 and The Grand Tour season 3 coming up, and this anime to finish...  blargh.

If only there was some way to watch shows after they have aired..............
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: Tenzhi on January 17, 2019, 06:14:38 PM
If only there was some way to watch shows after they have aired..............

The unfortunate thing with the CW shows is that they're only up for a limited time, and if I miss that window I'll have to wait until they have the season on Netflix.  So even if there are other things I'd rather be watching in the immediate, I'll have to put those on hold to make room for the CW stuff. 
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: Tenzhi on January 17, 2019, 10:06:04 PM
That car was pretty silly.  The notion that someone specifically would have designed a cans and string icon for when someone mysteriously hijacks the radio struck me as the silliest thing.  I think it was a Chevelle, but had it been an Impala the silliest thing might've been that it was named SAM.
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: Super Firebug on January 19, 2019, 04:50:44 AM
That car was pretty silly.  The notion that someone specifically would have designed a cans and string icon for when someone mysteriously hijacks the radio struck me as the silliest thing.  I think it was a Chevelle, but had it been an Impala the silliest thing might've been that it was named SAM.

I'm wondering if it might end up being Batwoman's Batmobile when that show starts.
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: Mandu on January 19, 2019, 04:58:12 AM
That car was pretty silly.  The notion that someone specifically would have designed a cans and string icon for when someone mysteriously hijacks the radio struck me as the silliest thing.  I think it was a Chevelle, but had it been an Impala the silliest thing might've been that it was named SAM.

I bought that part completely. They made sure to point out that the car was Wayne Tech. When it comes to gadgets Batman plans ahead for everything. Automatically picking up general wide band broadcasts is a very very Batman thing to do. So the radio wasn't hijacked it just automatically tuned into what would probably be a distress call. The more lighthearted Batman often uses icon type symbols for his gadgets, and cans and string is a pretty good representation of somebody trying to communicate through primitive means. I'm assuming the Batman of this Earth is closer to Keaton than Bale. Since the vehicle was in Argus, Bruce probably intended it for his own use and made sure they would get it when he 'vanished' so that it didn't fall into the wrong hands.

The only part that bothered me was they stole the whole cure thing directly almost word for word from X-Men last stand.  One meta/mutant saying that it was a great idea for curing mutants who want to be normal. And the closest friend of that mutant ignoring every single thing they know about them and immediately bitching that the cure would be used on everybody.  And who is the person who bitches?  The one with cold powers.
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: Super Firebug on January 19, 2019, 05:24:30 AM
If Silver Ghost is former military, it isn't U.S. military. No branch of the U.S. armed forces salutes with the thumb folded across the palm. :/ When you watch the salute, you're seeing her hand edge-on. If her thumb were properly placed, you wouldn't be able to see it. (At least she didn't cup her palm, which REALLY makes me cringe.)
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: Tenzhi on January 19, 2019, 06:26:39 AM
The only part that bothered me was they stole the whole cure thing directly almost word for word from X-Men last stand.  One meta/mutant saying that it was a great idea for curing mutants who want to be normal. And the closest friend of that mutant ignoring every single thing they know about them and immediately bitching that the cure would be used on everybody.  And who is the person who bitches?  The one with cold powers.

I was going to complain about that, too, but I figured the counter-argument would be the inevitable weaponisation of the cure.
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: Vee on January 19, 2019, 06:47:00 AM
I like that it's the guy with the power to completely avoid traffic that's griping about how terrible it is to have powers. Oh my life where I could be at any beach, restaurant, etc. in the world and get into any event anywhere for free is so awful because of my powers and totally not because I'm too stupid to use them for anything other than showing up for villain fights that would already be over if my friend weren't also too stupid to use his powers correctly.
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: doc7924 on January 19, 2019, 08:09:25 PM
I like that it's the guy with the power to completely avoid traffic that's griping about how terrible it is to have powers. Oh my life where I could be at any beach, restaurant, etc. in the world and get into any event anywhere for free is so awful because of my powers and totally not because I'm too stupid to use them for anything other than showing up for villain fights that would already be over if my friend weren't also too stupid to use his powers correctly.

I don't recall Cisco every complaining about his powers before.

First off he has very useful powers, as you say. Plus, just don't use them if they bother you.

And if its an anti-dark matter cure, shouldn't work on Killer Frost anyway so shouldn't be her problem.

And I think we all know where this is headed. He makes the cure and then some villain gets his hands on it and depowers some of team Flash.
Then they have to figure how to make an anti-anti-dark matter cure.




Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: Vee on January 19, 2019, 08:27:20 PM
I don't recall Cisco every complaining about his powers before.


Well they were giving him nosebleeds for a while but yeah, just another instance of manufactured drama with no particular relation to previous characterization.
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: MyriVerse on January 20, 2019, 03:48:57 PM
I don't recall Cisco every complaining about his powers before.
For a while, in the beginning, he viewed them as a curse and thought he'd turn out like Eobard.
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: doc7924 on January 20, 2019, 10:15:39 PM
For a while, in the beginning, he viewed them as a curse and thought he'd turn out like Eobard.

Wasn't that because his E2 version was evil? There was no reason to conclude he would turn out the same way.



Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: MyriVerse on January 21, 2019, 12:25:56 PM
I thought it was just a general power corrupts thing.
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: doc7924 on January 21, 2019, 01:57:49 PM
I thought it was just a general power corrupts thing.

This is true - how many metas actually are good guys? Barry, Cisco, Ralph, Wally? Just about everyone else that gets powers turn evil.
Caitlyn almost fell to the dark side but came back.

Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: Mandu on January 25, 2019, 03:53:32 AM
I dunno. I might complain too if I were Cisco. Don't forget that his warp gates are under his control but not his visions. He just touches something and suddenly has a vision. 

Sit down in a public toilet ***VIBE***
Pick up a camera owned by Ralph  ***VIBE***
Take a cucumber out of Caitlin's refrigerator ***VIBE***

he probably already needs some serious therapy.
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: Vee on January 25, 2019, 10:58:41 PM
I thought the involuntary vibing was only for other dimensional stuff. But in any event he's been able to control that recently. Also I'm sure we don't know what you're suggesting with those last two examples :P

Yet another instance of 'Arrowverse personality disorder' with
Spoiler for Hidden:
Barry's murdery rage
. Should really be an entry in the next DSM - subjects exhibit intense, random, irrational reactions to their current situation, defend these reactions vehemently then completely reverse themselves within 20 minutes.

Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: doc7924 on January 27, 2019, 10:46:48 PM
I thought the involuntary vibing was only for other dimensional stuff. But in any event he's been able to control that recently. Also I'm sure we don't know what you're suggesting with those last two examples :P

Yet another instance of 'Arrowverse personality disorder' with
Spoiler for Hidden:
Barry's murdery rage
. Should really be an entry in the next DSM - subjects exhibit intense, random, irrational reactions to their current situation, defend these reactions vehemently then completely reverse themselves within 20 minutes.

Maybe the Elseworlds thing had something to do with it. he did become Oliver Queen for a while - even though he was still him, he did have Ollie's fighting skills so maybe some personality rubbed off on him.

or it just runs in the family - Nora goes back and forth too from being incredibly angry to mellow at the drop of a hat.
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: Vee on January 27, 2019, 11:36:17 PM
It's hardly limited to a few characters though. I stand by my theory that there's a lunatic of the week wheel in the writers' room.
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: doc7924 on January 28, 2019, 10:27:06 PM
It's hardly limited to a few characters though. I stand by my theory that there's a lunatic of the week wheel in the writers' room.

Well they did show Pyscho Pirate exists in the Arrowverse.......
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: Tenzhi on February 04, 2019, 10:06:09 AM
Well, then.  No more sympathy for that villain.
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: Vee on February 08, 2019, 06:02:10 AM
I missed Goldface's ridiculous helmet. Though I liked him and that plot line overall. Too bad the rest of the ep was par for the course.
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: doc7924 on February 08, 2019, 03:40:28 PM
I missed Goldface's ridiculous helmet. Though I liked him and that plot line overall. Too bad the rest of the ep was par for the course.

Isn't gold like one of the softest metals? I think I learned that reading Metal Men comics.

Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: Vee on February 08, 2019, 05:45:09 PM
Presumably goldalloyface isn't as catchy.
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: Tenzhi on February 08, 2019, 09:39:24 PM
Of course Sherloque always ends up with the same Woman...

What kind of electrical power is needed to melt gold, I wonder?

Didn't seem like a particularly bright move from Iris.
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: doc7924 on February 09, 2019, 12:44:01 PM

Didn't seem like a particularly bright move from Iris.

Because Team Flash are known for their smart decisions.....................
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: Dev7on on February 12, 2019, 01:07:05 AM
Didn't seem like a particularly bright move from Iris.

And this is the reason why I still hate Iris.
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: Tenzhi on February 12, 2019, 08:16:51 AM
And this is the reason why I still hate Iris.

Yeah, she's got all the anti-charisma of Smallville's Lana combined with the worst decision making skills of Arrow's Felicity.
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: doc7924 on February 13, 2019, 02:46:57 AM
Yeah, she's got all the anti-charisma of Smallville's Lana combined with the worst decision making skills of Arrow's Felicity.

Iris never bothered me before. But she has been getting rather annoying as the show goes on.

And once again they got <this close> to catching the bad guy and he gets away, again.

Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: Tenzhi on February 13, 2019, 06:05:58 AM
And once again they got <this close> to catching the bad guy and he gets away, again.

I think these season long story arcs can be problematic.  Especially when they're hammering at them nearly every episode.  They should stay more episodic, and if they're going to have a season arc only a handful of episodes should revolve around it, with a few epilogue scenes here and there to remind us it's going on.
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: saipaman on February 13, 2019, 12:36:45 PM
Going to 13 episodes per season would help too.
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: doc7924 on February 13, 2019, 10:32:24 PM
I think these season long story arcs can be problematic.  Especially when they're hammering at them nearly every episode.  They should stay more episodic, and if they're going to have a season arc only a handful of episodes should revolve around it, with a few epilogue scenes here and there to remind us it's going on.

I have mentioned this on posts in other boards. Barry is fast, really fast. He brought Goldberg half way around the world and back in like 3 seconds.

Once they have Cicada stunned or separated from his power taking away dagger - just super speed him into one of the cells in Star Labs - boom! -  no more powers.

Like a few episodes ago - Frost had the dagger held in her cold spell - Cicada was powerless - zoom him into a cell.

Or when he throws the dagger - breach that into a cell to dampen its powers or breach it to Earth 37 or something where Cicada cant get to it.
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: Super Firebug on February 14, 2019, 03:07:50 AM
Presumably goldalloyface isn't as catchy.

Well, 18-karat gold (commonly used in jewelry) is still referred to simply as gold. Goldface's gold doesn't have to be 24-karat, necessarily.
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: Super Firebug on February 14, 2019, 03:15:55 AM
It appears that there's a rumor going 'round that Carlos Valdes (Cisco/Vibe) may be leaving The Flash after this season - which would explain the new love interest, Cisco's interest in the meta cure, and his suddenly-revealed desire to marry and have kids.

If true, the part that I'll miss the most is his arguments/banter with Harry (although, with Harry's new personality resulting from the mental reconstruction, they're not guaranteed to continue, anyway). Those two were a tremendous lot of fun when they did that.
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: Vee on February 14, 2019, 05:21:40 AM
I have mentioned this on posts in other boards. Barry is fast, really fast. He brought Goldberg half way around the world and back in like 3 seconds.

Once they have Cicada stunned or separated from his power taking away dagger - just super speed him into one of the cells in Star Labs - boom! -  no more powers.

Like a few episodes ago - Frost had the dagger held in her cold spell - Cicada was powerless - zoom him into a cell.

Or when he throws the dagger - breach that into a cell to dampen its powers or breach it to Earth 37 or something where Cicada cant get to it.

If they started using their powers correctly the writers would have to come up with more dad jokes and spin the lunatic character wheel twice per episode to fill all the extra time.
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: ryuplaneswalker on February 14, 2019, 06:37:38 AM
It appears that there's a rumor going 'round that Carlos Valdes (Cisco/Vibe) may be leaving The Flash after this season - which would explain the new love interest, Cisco's interest in the meta cure, and his suddenly-revealed desire to marry and have kids.

If true, the part that I'll miss the most is his arguments/banter with Harry (although, with Harry's new personality resulting from the mental reconstruction, they're not guaranteed to continue, anyway). Those two were a tremendous lot of fun when they did that.

There goes the best part of the show.
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: doc7924 on February 14, 2019, 05:43:10 PM
It appears that there's a rumor going 'round that Carlos Valdes (Cisco/Vibe) may be leaving The Flash after this season - which would explain the new love interest, Cisco's interest in the meta cure, and his suddenly-revealed desire to marry and have kids.

If true, the part that I'll miss the most is his arguments/banter with Harry (although, with Harry's new personality resulting from the mental reconstruction, they're not guaranteed to continue, anyway). Those two were a tremendous lot of fun when they did that.

That would suck. I like Cisco a lot. Though it would be a good idea to keep your powers, just in case.

Now I wonder if its also possible to reverse the cure and give someone powers with a dark matter injection - like they had in Heroes.
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: Tenzhi on February 18, 2019, 12:42:16 PM
The best part of that episode was Stefan and Ian.
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: doc7924 on March 08, 2019, 02:43:10 PM
Joe West is back baby!

Good to see Jesse again.
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: Vee on March 08, 2019, 08:51:47 PM
So now two people get a miserable life thanks to neither of the speedsters just grabbing a hat.
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: Tenzhi on March 09, 2019, 11:01:51 PM
So now two people get a miserable life thanks to neither of the speedsters just grabbing a hat.

I don't think a hat would've accomplished anything.
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: Vee on March 09, 2019, 11:19:14 PM
I don't think a hat would've accomplished anything.

How dare you speak ill of hats on a forum offshoot of an mmo.
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: Tenzhi on March 10, 2019, 05:04:06 AM
How dare you speak ill of hats on a forum offshoot of an mmo.

Are you calling me a maligner of millinery?
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: Vee on March 10, 2019, 06:01:03 AM
If the chapeau fits...
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: CG on March 26, 2019, 07:26:28 PM
Are you calling me a maligner of millinery?

If the chapeau fits...

 ;D
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: Super Firebug on April 24, 2019, 09:24:07 PM
In the episode of Apr. 23rd, the opening argument between Barry and Iris is exactly why I never wanted to be married - being expected to check in with Mommy and get her approval on EVERYthing!
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: Tenzhi on April 25, 2019, 09:41:48 AM
Oh, man... I forgot this existed.  I wonder how much catching up I have to do...  so unmotivated.
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: MyriVerse on April 25, 2019, 11:57:57 AM
In the episode of Apr. 23rd, the opening argument between Barry and Iris is exactly why I never wanted to be married - being expected to check in with Mommy and get her approval on EVERYthing!
Not everything. Something extremely important like this? Absolutely. Barry was basically making decisions that affect everybody for everybody. He had no right to do that. Being married didn't have much to do with it. Not to mention, he basically committed kidnapping and sort of false imprisonment.
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: doc7924 on April 25, 2019, 12:27:20 PM
In the episode of Apr. 23rd, the opening argument between Barry and Iris is exactly why I never wanted to be married - being expected to check in with Mommy and get her approval on EVERYthing!

I know what you mean. I hate when I argue with my wife about taking our lying daughter back to the future and stranding her there. 
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: doc7924 on April 25, 2019, 12:30:37 PM
Not everything. Something extremely important like this? Absolutely. Barry was basically making decisions that affect everybody for everybody. He had no right to do that. Being married didn't have much to do with it. Not to mention, he basically committed kidnapping and sort of false imprisonment.

Barry is the LAST person to be making these kind of decisions. Didn't he keep secret things he changed during Flashpoint? He finally confessed but still didn't tell them about how things were before he screwed up for quite a while.

And I also believe Thawne is doing this on purpose. His last chance at revenge by turning Barry's only child against him.
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: Mandu on April 27, 2019, 03:09:05 AM
Something not really about Flash but tied into the Arrowverse and Flash.  Remember (of course you remember) in the crossover Shipp's version of Barry Allen/Flash seemed to recognize John Diggle as Green Lantern.  I just watched the last episode of Arrow which revealed John's step father as General Stewart.  So if John had taken his stepfathers last name then he would be John Stewart which as far as I'm concerned definitely verifies that he is GL in at least one universe.  Who knows, maybe since next season is the final season of Arrow the Crisis on Infinite Earths crossover will see John becoming Green Lantern.
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: eabrace on April 27, 2019, 05:07:15 AM
You know, I actually didn't make that connection.  Not often I miss that sort of thing.
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: ryuplaneswalker on April 27, 2019, 06:01:14 AM
Barry is the LAST person to be making these kind of decisions. Didn't he keep secret things he changed during Flashpoint? He finally confessed but still didn't tell them about how things were before he screwed up for quite a while.

And I also believe Thawne is doing this on purpose. His last chance at revenge by turning Barry's only child against him.

It would help their case if they didn't crap on Sherlok Wells for figuring it out. "Oh hey the Master Detective deduced that Nora has been receiving information on the most dangerous villain The Flash has, who could very well be manipulating her to change time for his benefit or you know..trying to Return of the Jedi her."

This entire plot is being strung along by Thawne for his benefit.

Edit : Since Diggle got brought up, do the writers just hate his family or something? Every family member of his that gets introduced ends up being evil or incompetent. Next season his mom will end up being an Agent of Darksied or something.
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: Tenzhi on April 30, 2019, 05:41:50 AM
So XS became SX.  Killer Frost gave up her range advantage.  Stupid arguments were had and decisions made.  But the main thing I was focused on was what were those three wheeled cars in the future.
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: MyriVerse on May 02, 2019, 03:10:26 PM
Barry is the LAST person to be making these kind of decisions. Didn't he keep secret things he changed during Flashpoint? He finally confessed but still didn't tell them about how things were before he screwed up for quite a while.

And I also believe Thawne is doing this on purpose. His last chance at revenge by turning Barry's only child against him.
Barry being the FIRST person to be making these kinds of decisions is pretty much his track record. He has yet to really learn from these mistakes.
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: doc7924 on May 03, 2019, 01:31:34 AM
Barry being the FIRST person to be making these kinds of decisions is pretty much his track record. He has yet to really learn from these mistakes.

I know.
Plus every second Nora is in the past the future she came from is being changed.
That alone should make Team Moro..er Team Flash realize she doesn't belong. They almost crucified Barry for how he messed up their lives with Flashtime.

Plus Nora is an anomaly - shouldn't the Legends be all over this as well?
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: ryuplaneswalker on May 04, 2019, 06:17:25 AM
So XS became SX.  Killer Frost gave up her range advantage.  Stupid arguments were had and decisions made.  But the main thing I was focused on was what were those three wheeled cars in the future.

That happened to me on Supergirl a few times.

Aliens vs Humans, whatever don't care. I want to know how Hat guy with no super strength lifted a Million Pound Key with just a pair of techy gloves on.
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: Mandu on May 05, 2019, 05:24:28 PM
That happened to me on Supergirl a few times.

Aliens vs Humans, whatever don't care. I want to know how Hat guy with no super strength lifted a Million Pound Key with just a pair of techy gloves on.

I was assuming those were like the anti-gravity clamp things used to move heavy objects in Star Trek.
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: Vee on May 06, 2019, 02:11:00 AM
I thought the hat guy had 5th dimensional tech, so limited Mxy powers.

But re Flash - "G.Simone & Associates" - they finally got a good writer on this show. too bad it was just as an easter egg.
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: ryuplaneswalker on May 06, 2019, 11:41:32 AM
I was assuming those were like the anti-gravity clamp things used to move heavy objects in Star Trek.

That is the obvious solution, but they still should have like a line talking about it because hat man deadlifted something that shouldn't have even sat on the crust of the earth given it's mass. Of course that still doesn't answer..why The Teleport 5th Mxy power hat guy..didn't just teleport into Superman's Ice Fort.
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: Super Firebug on May 08, 2019, 08:35:26 PM
I really have to remember to save the penultimate episode of the season to watch the day before the season finale, so I don't have to WAIT A FULL FRUSTRATING WEEK for the resolution of the cliffhanger!
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: doc7924 on May 08, 2019, 09:35:48 PM
I really have to remember to save the penultimate episode of the season to watch the day before the season finale, so I don't have to WAIT A FULL FRUSTRATING WEEK for the resolution of the cliffhanger!

Its a homage to the last episode of the 2nd season of Blakes 7 and TNG season 3 - both end the episode on people yelling "Fire!"

Here its "Don't Fire!"

Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: Mandu on May 09, 2019, 03:09:49 AM
Its a homage to the last episode of the 2nd season of Blakes 7 and TNG season 3 - both end the episode on people yelling "Fire!"

Here its "Don't Fire!"

Now that's a series I wish was available digitally.  I wouldn't even mind if they remade it and remained true to the original. Though it would be hard to find a match for either Michael Keating or Paul Darrow. Both were perfect in their role.
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: ryuplaneswalker on May 09, 2019, 09:31:27 AM
Oh hey look.

Spoiler for Hidden:
Thawne was manipulating the entire thing the whole time and everyone walked right into the trap.

WHO COULD HAVE THUNK IT.
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: Tenzhi on May 09, 2019, 10:56:57 AM
Man, ryu, that one's so obvious it probably didn't require a spoiler tag.
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: doc7924 on May 09, 2019, 12:06:05 PM
Oh hey look.

Spoiler for Hidden:
Thawne was manipulating the entire thing the whole time and everyone walked right into the trap.

WHO COULD HAVE THUNK IT.

Barry did. But no one listened.

And kudos to Ralph for figuring it out even before Shurlock.
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: ryuplaneswalker on May 10, 2019, 06:39:21 AM
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Barry did. But no one listened.

Not only that, they yelled at him for bringing up the idea that Thawne was bad.
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: Dev7on on May 10, 2019, 04:25:39 PM
Not only that, they yelled at him for bringing up the idea that Thawne was bad.

Not they. Iris yelled at him.
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: ryuplaneswalker on May 10, 2019, 11:39:49 PM
And everyone stood in the room and watched her and didn't point out "Hey you know..Thawne is a super evil genius maybe Barry is right on this one."
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: doc7924 on May 11, 2019, 12:52:36 AM
And everyone stood in the room and watched her and didn't point out "Hey you know..Thawne is a super evil genius maybe Barry is right on this one."

Well he was. Which may be a first -  Barry gets something right.
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: Super Firebug on May 15, 2019, 09:37:44 PM
We have to wait until next season to see Frost's new suit? (I'm not calling her "Killer Frost"; that's a villain name.)

Also, at the end, can anyone tell me what was written/typed on the tab of the file folder that Ralph was starting to read? (I had to watch it online, on a small computer screen, so I couldn't make it out.)
Title: Re: The Flash Season 5
Post by: Mandu on May 19, 2019, 07:26:34 PM
We have to wait until next season to see Frost's new suit? (I'm not calling her "Killer Frost"; that's a villain name.)

Also, at the end, can anyone tell me what was written/typed on the tab of the file folder that Ralph was starting to read? (I had to watch it online, on a small computer screen, so I couldn't make it out.)

Spoiler for Hidden:
Dearbon. The maiden name of Ralphs wife Sue. Future wife I suppose since he isn't married in the show yet.