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More Titan Projects => ParagonWiki => Topic started by: Aggelakis on March 08, 2012, 08:38:25 PM
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So I have a proposal that I have no idea how to create the foundation for. I would like to see a list of all the Invention Salvage that goes from most used to least used. I have a theory that there are a few really-overused pieces and several really-underused pieces that could easily be substituted for an overused piece. Granted, such a suggestion would require a lot of data changes, but I think if demand for pieces were spread out over a wider variety instead of seeming to concentrate on just a handful of salvage in each level bracket it'd be better for the game. It is kind of weird that the devs seemed to latch on to a few different pieces of salvage and used them in almost freakin' everything.
However, I have no idea how to massage DPL or complex templating into making a list of all salvage that sorts itself by usage numbers and also lists the number of uses after it. I've managed to make a list of all salvage sorted by usage numbers. It's the second part that is completely beyond me.
I'm off to work in a couple minutes so it'll be a few hours before I return to this thread. Just forewarning if there are questions/concerns.
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Not sure if this'll help at all, but I started something like this back in 2007. I hadn't yet updated anything with the changes to temp power recipies, and it's a lot of manual counting, but it could be useful for something.
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=119737
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Dunno about DPL, but I put together a program to do the heavy lifting.
Full list with recipes is here:
http://perfectkiosk.net/guyperfect/SalvageUsage.txt
Abridged list with just Salvage is as follows:
123 Com Mid Spell Ink
122 Com Mid Rune
120 Com Mid Demonic Blood Sample
119 Com Mid Circuit Board
118 Com Mid Alchemical Silver
117 Com Mid Stabilized Mutant Genome
117 Com Mid Scientific Theory
117 Com Mid Masterwork Weapon
117 Com Mid Improvised Cybernetic
117 Com Mid Ancient Bone
116 Com Mid Iron
112 Com Mid Inert Gas
106 Com Low Runebound Armor
106 Com Low Luck Charm
104 Com Low Simple Chemical
104 Com Low Computer Virus
104 Com Low Brass
103 Com Low Spiritual Essence
103 Com Low Boresight
102 Com Low Human Blood Sample
102 Com Low Clockwork Winder
101 Com Low Spell Scroll
100 Com Low Inanimate Carbon Rod
100 Com Low Ancient Artifact
81 Com High Ruby
79 Com High Silver
79 Com High Regenerating Flesh
79 Com High Fortune
78 Com High Spirit Thorn
77 Com High Ceramic Armor Plate
76 Com High Mathematic Proof
76 Com High Hydraulic Piston
75 Com High Nevermelting Ice
75 Com High Demonic Threat Report
73 Com High Kinetic Weapon
71 Com High Temporal Analyzer
61 Unc Mid Ensorcelled Weapon
60 Unc Mid Steel
60 Unc Mid Corrosive Gas
60 Unc Mid Carnival of Shadows Mask
60 Unc Mid Alchemical Gold
59 Unc Mid Commercial Cybernetic
58 Unc Mid Scientific Law
58 Unc Mid Data Drive
57 Unc Mid Living Tattoo
56 Unc Low Unearthed Relic
56 Unc Mid Symbol
54 Unc High Titanium Shard
54 Unc High Thorn Tree Vine
54 Unc Mid Mutant DNA Strand
54 Unc Mid Blood of the Incarnate
53 Unc Low Volume of the Obsidian Librum
53 Unc Low Heavy Water
53 Unc High Energy Weapon
53 Unc Low Daemon Program
51 Unc Low Psionic Ectoplasm
50 Unc Low Polycarbon
49 Unc Low Temporal Sands
49 Unc Low Scope
48 Unc High Unquenchable Flame
48 Unc Low Soulbound Armor
48 Unc High Psionic Threat Report
48 Unc Low Mutant Blood Sample
48 Unc High Destiny
47 Unc High Bleeding Stone
46 Unc High Gold
46 Unc Low Chemical Formula
46 Unc High Chaos Theorem
45 Unc High Pneumatic Piston
45 Unc Low Clockwork Gear
44 Unc High Temporal Tracer
44 Unc High Sapphire
43 Rare High Platinum
43 Rare High Chronal Skip
41 Rare High Hamidon Goo
39 Rare High Prophecy
39 Rare High Essence of the Furies
38 Rare Mid Military Cybernetic
38 Rare Mid Deific Weapon
37 Rare Mid Soul Trapped Gem
37 Rare High Positronic Matrix
37 Rare High Pangean Soil
36 Rare High Synthetic Intelligence Unit
36 Rare High Photonic Weapon
36 Rare Mid Mutating Genome
36 Rare High Magical Conspiracy
35 Rare Mid Reactive Gas
35 Rare Mid Holographic Memory
35 Rare Mid Empowered Sigil
34 Rare Mid Mu Vestment
34 Rare Mid Impervium
34 Rare Mid Conspiratorial Evidence
33 Rare Mid Enchanted Impervium
31 Rare Low Plasma Capacitor
31 Rare Low Enriched Plutonium
31 Rare High Diamond
31 Rare Mid Black Blood of the Earth
30 Rare Low Strand of Fate
30 Rare High Rikti Alloy
30 Rare Low Heads Up Display
29 Rare Low Alien Blood Sample
28 Rare Low Page from the Malleus Mundi
28 Rare Low Lament Box
27 Rare Low Complex Chemical Formula
26 Rare Low Symbiotic Armor
26 Rare Low Source Code
26 Rare Low Psionic Manifestation
26 Rare Low Psionicly Charged Brass
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Some recipes are more in demand than others, which may have an affect on Salvage prices on the market. In particular, keep an eye on Kinetic Combat and the Miracle / Numina's Convalescence / Regenerative Tissue / Performance Shifter procs.
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I can see the merit of this as some recipies for crafting seem to be scewed towards certain salvage, but I'm wondering how you will rank them? Do you rank based on ingame mechanics or real world usage? Just because salvage A is in half the recipies doesn't mean that lesser spread salvage B isn't used more because of recipie group X in real world trials. Good idea, just curious how it's going to work.
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<.< you can go to the auction house and just look at the salvage. a lot of the numbers are inflated, but generally looking at # sitting around vs # being bid on gives a good idea the ones that get used more.
>_> cept for the 30-50.. all of those are in insane amounts because the f2p and 2/3rds of the premium ppl can't use them so just dump but...
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I can see the merit of this as some recipies for crafting seem to be scewed towards certain salvage, but I'm wondering how you will rank them? Do you rank based on ingame mechanics or real world usage? Just because salvage A is in half the recipies doesn't mean that lesser spread salvage B isn't used more because of recipie group X in real world trials. Good idea, just curious how it's going to work.
I was just doing some brain dumping, really. I was looking to see if there was some sort of serious imbalance of salvage usage. Looking to see if there was somewhere that salvage could be evened out, which would spread out some of the demand. Was going to base a suggestion on the official forums off the info.
It looks like there occasionally is, for instance:
- Luck Charm is tied for most-used low level common salvage, *AND* it's in several very common recipes (Accuracy, Defense, and a large number of low level special IOs).
- the most-used high level rare salvage (Platinum) is used almost twice as much as the least used (Psionicly Charged Brass) - *and* Platinum is used in a large number of very rares and some of the more popular rares.
However, it's actually not as bad as I initially thought. They *do* occasionally overuse some salvage but they've done an OK job of spreading things out. Could use some tweaking but it's not as bad as I thought.
Thanks, Guy, for the quicklist.
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<.< you can go to the auction house and just look at the salvage. a lot of the numbers are inflated, but generally looking at # sitting around vs # being bid on gives a good idea the ones that get used more.
>_> cept for the 30-50.. all of those are in insane amounts because the f2p and 2/3rds of the premium ppl can't use them so just dump but...
This has absolutely nothing to do with what the thread is talking about.
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o.o;; sorry if I misread. seemed to be talking about highest used salvage, meaning either 1) most often assigned by the devs to be used in the invention system, or 2) actually most used by the player base. I started assuming #1, but some of the above bits I was skimming brought up #2. since there where several suggestions for the first, I mentioned a way to get an idea about which have the highest volume of use.
@.@ seriously, I'm not trying to upset you or anything, but you away seem mad when I suggest something.
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Some people mistake terseness with some kind of emotion. Unless I actually say that I'm mad, I'm not. I use few words, which more chatty people take to mean something completely different than their intent.
Thanks for explaining why you posted what you did, though.
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Holy cow, Platinum IS used in a lot of purples. I know also that there tends to be a very high demand for Alchemical Silver, though that might be due to the number of recipes they're used in.
I think we can put together some more reports to get a better idea of how the inventions tie in with market demand. Is there any information someone's curious about that I could generate?
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I have no idea what kind of structure such a project would have. I don't have a brain built for that kind of theorycrafting.
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o_o other than trying to get an idea how to game the markets more, I'm not sure what use this date has in the long run.
I kinda always expected the devs to have balanced the salvage used in things more by this point...