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Title: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: TonyV on September 04, 2012, 05:28:29 AM
So I was talking to one of our heroes and said, "Crap, there's no way I'm going to be able to keep that 'Thank the media' thread updated with all of these links." :(

... [A few seconds pass as I pondered what I had just said.]

WOOT!!!   There's no way I'm going to be able to keep that 'Thank the media' thread updated with all of these links!   8) 8) 8)

I mean, seriously, of all the problems that could be plaguing us, that's an AWESOME one to have!  So, long story short, I'm going to stop posting links to every article about our efforts here.  But fear not, because we STILL need to get the word out, we STILL need to show our undying gratitude to these media outlets that are giving us the attention we need, and the NCsoft Public Relations department is STILL going to know how much traction we've got!

Media Coverage Spreadsheet (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjrAo1HdYNiddGFha0dnTzF3OEE2Nm4wUlRwSWlMRmc)

Bookmark that site.  It's a list of media organizations large and small that have been covering us.  Everything from tech bloggers to massive media organizations, over 50 articles so far and counting.  So keep posting those comments, keep sharing this stuff on Twitter and Facebook, keep spreading the word far and wide to your friends, supergroups, coalitions, and anyone else you can and we WILL pull through this!

If you see something we've missed, post it in the replies here and we'll try our best to catch it.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: NecrotechMaster on September 04, 2012, 06:06:54 AM
the article was making me teary eyed again, but not of sadness but happier tears with the feeling of optimism

i have been spreading it to everyone i know on skype and posted it in the 2 steam groups i am in
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: emu265 on September 04, 2012, 06:31:17 AM
We got this -we got this- WE GOT THIS. 

Comment submitted.  Shared on Facebook.

Boom.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Golden Girl on September 04, 2012, 06:31:37 AM
the article was making me teary eyed again, but not of sadness but happier tears with the feeling of optimism

i have been spreading it to everyone i know on skype and posted it in the 2 steam groups i am in

That's going to be the key to our media campaign - we've got to spread the story beyond the player base, and even beyond the geekosphere in general - we've got to generate the kind of attention that will make NCSoft go from "whatever" to "oops".
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: beveri8469 on September 04, 2012, 08:42:49 AM
i personally dont like facebook, but for this special occasion to help save coh,
i made me a facebook page and put this article and the 3 petitions on it to help get the message out.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Golden Girl on September 04, 2012, 08:48:03 AM
This report's gone out too:

http://www.gamerzines.com/mmo/heroes-online-petition-nearing.html

We're actually past 10k now, but it's still good to get more coverage.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Koopak on September 04, 2012, 09:19:15 AM
This report's gone out too:

http://www.gamerzines.com/mmo/heroes-online-petition-nearing.html

We're actually past 10k now, but it's still good to get more coverage.

If you read that page it shows IGN is already on the news
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Golden Girl on September 04, 2012, 09:23:07 AM
Yeah - IGN ran a story on Friday pretty soon after the announcement.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: beveri8469 on September 04, 2012, 10:05:16 AM
it is going to be an interesting 3 months.
i hope we can get alot of media coverage on this.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Gilliam on September 04, 2012, 11:08:24 AM
Must keep the story's alive go to them and just post agreements with the person above , if you cant think of anything else to write.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Gilliam on September 04, 2012, 11:10:56 AM
All so we need a post with all the links in one place so we can go, Like + it  # it and post comments
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: cfeakes on September 04, 2012, 12:11:04 PM
Tony,
I have a message into a contact I have with Seattle news station king 5 news, he is a investigative reporter I have dealt with for another story before that made it on 5 o'clock news I should here something back I hope some time today via email or phone call. I have also sent off a email to the publisher of Game Informer should here back in the next two days. They might be able to give us some much needed media attention on there web site.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Defcon Kid on September 04, 2012, 01:35:26 PM
Our petition is somehow being covered by MMORPG.COM:

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/363785/page/1 (http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/363785/page/1)

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/3/view/forums/post/5265878#5265878 (http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/3/view/forums/post/5265878#5265878)

Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Sugoi on September 04, 2012, 01:49:30 PM
Tony,

The folks at:

http://www.mmomeltingpot.com/2012/09/city-of-heroes-is-shutting-down-blogger-reactions/

They were just asking whether anyone was looking into the possibility of creating a community server in the worse case scenario.
I posted your forums page address and let them know about the great work your team has done in the past. 
It's the least I could do in re-payment for being able to keep all my alts straight over the years with the help of your website.

@Sugoi-chan in CoH
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: dwturducken on September 04, 2012, 02:30:21 PM
http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/09/04/the-daily-grind-do-you-view-mmos-as-disposable-entertainment/

One thing that might hurt us would be to "spam" the comments sections of these.  Someone could be our designated spokesperson, or something (Golden Girl comes to mind, or Tony might have a loyal minion at the ready) to comment a kind thanks on our behalf.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: beveri8469 on September 04, 2012, 02:56:57 PM
i posted the 3 petitions and the 2 articles bout Coh on the comicvine forums.
i thought that might help get the word out too.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Altoholic Monkey on September 04, 2012, 03:17:34 PM
Has anyone drafted a press release, so those in the media would have easy access to the information?  Or any type of media kit for the Save City of Heroes effort?  Make it easier for the press to obtain information on the rescue efforts. 

I also notice on Twitter, many are using  #COH or #CityOfHeroes hashtags, perhaps start trending with #SaveCOH or #SaveCityofHeroes  If you get it trending high enough on twitter, more folks will get interested.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Maiden_of_Death on September 04, 2012, 04:09:43 PM
Just wanted to add I am another loyal customer, about 5 1/2 years playing, and I support the effort. Would also donate if something is set up.  :)
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Golden Girl on September 04, 2012, 04:19:11 PM
Has anyone drafted a press release, so those in the media would have easy access to the information?  Or any type of media kit for the Save City of Heroes effort?  Make it easier for the press to obtain information on the rescue efforts. 

I also notice on Twitter, many are using  #COH or #CityOfHeroes hashtags, perhaps start trending with #SaveCOH or #SaveCityofHeroes  If you get it trending high enough on twitter, more folks will get interested.

Yes, it's important to have one single hashtag to give it the best chance of trending - and it should be positive, not negative, so no #NCSoftSucks type stuff.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: TomFury on September 04, 2012, 04:26:16 PM
http://www.gamenguide.com/articles/3164/20120904/city-heroes-shutting-down-ordinary-gamers-make.htm

More coverage!
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Altoholic Monkey on September 04, 2012, 04:55:01 PM
Also it might be a good idea to start leveraging YouTube, if people can record themselves speaking on exactly what COH means to them, then focus on the human interest angle as well.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Soundtrack on September 04, 2012, 05:02:45 PM
Also it might be a good idea to start leveraging YouTube, if people can record themselves speaking on exactly what COH means to them, then focus on the human interest angle as well.

I mentioned this in another thread with a podcast idea. I'm not great on video editing, but if somebody has expertise... I would bet that those of us with webcams/camcorders/etc. would be able to email a small bit to somebody who could then make a very cool compilation/plea. :)
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Patribot on September 04, 2012, 05:23:22 PM
I've commented on all 3 the stories to this point and reposted them on Facebook. Not much, I know, but doing what I can.

Really need to level-up so I can have more powers.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: gribb85 on September 04, 2012, 05:30:22 PM
Hey guys,

I'm the author who posted that story on GamerZines.com. I think the best thing you can do is send emails to websites like Eurogamer, VG247, Massively, Gamespot.com, GiantBomb and others letting them know about your cause. A lot of them have links for news tips, so just send them an email talking about group numbers, the petition, what you want to achieve and the sort of options you guys are exploring regarding making your voices known to NCsoft.

As a fan of City of Heroes, it was actually the first MMORPG that properly got its hooks into me, it would be great to see you guys get a response from NCsoft.

Cheers!

Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: emu265 on September 04, 2012, 05:55:05 PM
Hey guys,

I'm the author who posted that story on GamerZines.com. I think the best thing you can do is send emails to websites like Eurogamer, VG247, Massively, Gamespot.com, GiantBomb and others letting them know about your cause. A lot of them have links for news tips, so just send them an email talking about group numbers, the petition, what you want to achieve and the sort of options you guys are exploring regarding making your voices known to NCsoft.

As a fan of City of Heroes, it was actually the first MMORPG that properly got its hooks into me, it would be great to see you guys get a response from NCsoft.

Cheers!

Thanks for posting the article and thanks for taking the time to come over here and chime in.
You probably know this by now, but it means a lot to all of us.

And, thanks for the tips :)
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: downix on September 04, 2012, 06:03:41 PM
Yes, it's important to have one single hashtag to give it the best chance of trending - and it should be positive, not negative, so no #NCSoftSucks type stuff.
Be simple and direct:
#savecoh
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: eabrace on September 04, 2012, 06:14:56 PM
Yes.  We're trying to forming a consensus today on one hastag.  Let's go with #SaveCOH and get ourselves trending.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Terlin on September 04, 2012, 06:19:12 PM
Hello, everyone!

Just wanted to let you know there is new article at http://www.gamenguide.com/articles/3164/20120904/city-heroes-shutting-down-ordinary-gamers-make.htm

They have links to the Facebook pages, and the Petition built into the article. Absolutely first rate.




Stormistress
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Dead Calm on September 04, 2012, 06:30:07 PM
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: CursedSorcerer on September 04, 2012, 06:42:52 PM
Must keep the story's alive go to them and just post agreements with the person above , if you cant think of anything else to write.

Errm. What if the person above were to post something along the lines of "Why are these idiots trying to revive a terrible game that deserves to die?" I should disagree with that. Yeah.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Jonfan on September 04, 2012, 07:47:41 PM
Not sure if anyone else has mentioned this one, but Massively has got a big discussion going on CoH. I added my 2 cents and I encourage every here to do the same. Be pro-active.


http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/08/31/paragon-studios-closing-city-of-heroes-to-sunset-before-the-end/ (http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/08/31/paragon-studios-closing-city-of-heroes-to-sunset-before-the-end/)
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: NecrotechMaster on September 04, 2012, 08:17:02 PM
few more articles which might be of interest to look at:

http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/09/04/we-want-your-most-creative-city-of-heroes-character/ (http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/09/04/we-want-your-most-creative-city-of-heroes-character/)
http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/09/04/the-soapbox-social-gaming-wont-destroy-mmos/ (http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/09/04/the-soapbox-social-gaming-wont-destroy-mmos/)

found these while perusing everywhere i can for potential media spotlights
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: NecrotechMaster on September 04, 2012, 09:18:50 PM
heres another article

http://www.gamepolitics.com/2012/09/04/fans-fight-save-city-heroes (http://www.gamepolitics.com/2012/09/04/fans-fight-save-city-heroes)
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: MissKyo on September 04, 2012, 09:39:44 PM
And another one:

http://www.gamenguide.com/articles/3164/20120904/city-heroes-shutting-down-ordinary-gamers-make.htm

I'm so glad to see the news picking up the fight. The word needs to spread to anyone who has ever been a hero!
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Zombie Hustler on September 04, 2012, 10:12:27 PM
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Cannonfodder on September 04, 2012, 11:04:53 PM
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Lock-On on September 05, 2012, 12:11:05 AM
Two more articles that I've noticed over the weekend not in the list yet.  Here are links.

The escapist magazine had a post on it:

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/119398-NCsoft-Shuts-Down-City-of-Heroes

And also Comics Alliance as well:

http://www.comicsalliance.com/2012/09/04/city-of-heroes-shutting-down/

Comment threads on both articles are very sympathetic.  It would be nice if we could tap into that somehow.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: AlaikaBalta on September 05, 2012, 02:32:33 AM
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: TonyV on September 05, 2012, 02:39:56 AM
Hey all, added several more articles in the OP that have been pointed out to me.  Great job, and keep an eye out.  We've had our coordinators scanning all of these forums and the Internet at large to collect media organizations, and tomorrow we plan on firing off our first official press release.  I've made contact with several good media folks, and we're hoping that within a few days, this will be plastered over most gaming, comic, and tech news sites, and after that, possibly even hitting some mainstream news outlets, too.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: NecrotechMaster on September 05, 2012, 02:59:59 AM
gonna link this thread from the official forums here

http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=296759 (http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=296759)

it looks like most of the paragon management are potentially looking to see if ncsoft will release the IP, with our media crusade its very possible that they will be able to use it in their arguments
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Golden Girl on September 05, 2012, 04:44:01 AM
We've hit CNN:

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-837330?ref=feeds%2Flatest
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: dwturducken on September 05, 2012, 05:05:53 AM
Not exactly, but it could get on air with a little community support.  It really only mentions the petition, not all of the directions being coordinated here, so that needs a tweak.  It's certainly worth creating an account to log in and comment, but it does need a little more of the info.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Golden Girl on September 05, 2012, 05:09:16 AM
I know - the fact that we're on the first step of the CNN news ladder is important, and everyone should register there to recommend the story for further attention.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: emu265 on September 05, 2012, 05:18:38 AM
Not exactly, but it could get on air with a little community support.  It really only mentions the petition, not all of the directions being coordinated here, so that needs a tweak.  It's certainly worth creating an account to log in and comment, but it does need a little more of the info.
GG is right, this is incredible.  These efforts have already exceeded my expectations.

This is an amazing first step to mainstream media.  It's not perfect, of course.  Making an account now.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: pogoman on September 05, 2012, 05:42:11 AM
Hi all! I just posted this on the Virtue forums in City of Heroes:

Aside from playing City of Heroes..our beloved game, I play a facebook game- Wrestler:Unstoppable. My character is Hollywood Rick Brutal and a friend runs a blogtalk radio station. On Tuesday nights 10pm to midnight est (sorry Shecky) I do a talk show called The Unstoppable Super Show!
I was discussing our situation with my friend and she said if I wanted to, I can do a special show Thursday evening as long as we're done by 10:30pm.
I thought this might be an excellent opportunity to use the power of my/our voice(s). I was thinking, we could explain the situation, how the listeners can help, etc. I would, once the show is set up, spam my facebook feed with the link to get it out there.
Any takers, suggestions, etc?

I hope this is the right place to post this.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Zombie Hustler on September 05, 2012, 05:48:41 AM
I just posted this on the CNN article:

"Over the last 8 years, City of Heroes has grown well beyond its roots as another MMO- albeit one of the few superheroic themed ones. It has become a community; a network of people engaging in friendships that extend well beyond the computer screen, and into the real world. It is as viable a community as any neighborhood or family or social group that might exist outside our own door. Indeed, in this increasingly technology driven world, often personified by faceless, non-personal interaction, City of Heroes might be among the first of a more sustainable hybrid community- a strange admixture of the virtual and the tangible. As Shakespeare said, "All the world's a stage, and all the men and women merely players." In City of Heroes, all the players are also men and women like everyone else."
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Taki on September 05, 2012, 09:55:04 AM
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: dior on September 05, 2012, 12:17:48 PM
Excellent work Tony V et al.

Please bear in mind, anything we do MUST continue until the last day. 3 months is a long time in the world of media, and, with elections/natural disasters/sports fixtures etc, it will be really important to keep any media contacts you make informed, updated and above all, interested.

One thing I have noticed being in Europe, is that my sorces of information are either Sals Badgehunters on Facebook or the CoH European forums - are our fellow players from the US also doing anything, and could somebody perhaps compile a list of links to the various forums etc?

Once again, thanks to anyone and everyone who is championing our cause.

Makes me proud to be a CoX'er! 
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Soundtrack on September 05, 2012, 12:21:54 PM
I know - the fact that we're on the first step of the CNN news ladder is important, and everyone should register there to recommend the story for further attention.

I rarely create accounts JUST to comment or add support, but I did this time.

It's easy to do and it's worth it.

Imagine if we got CNN to cover this? That would be mind-blowing.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Mister Bison on September 05, 2012, 01:07:23 PM
We got personnaly covered by gamerzines as well as official coverage of Alpha Wolf's annoucement in game.

http://www.gamerzines.com/mmo/rumour-paragon-discussions-heroes.html (http://www.gamerzines.com/mmo/rumour-paragon-discussions-heroes.html)
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Vulpy on September 05, 2012, 01:10:45 PM
I found the guy who plays in the background on the show Big Bang Theory in the comic shop wearing the Statesman Shirt...

If he agrees to this, why be subtle? If the Big Bang producers would be okay with it, why not have him wearing a shirt that says something like "Save Our Game!" with the Statesman star on it. That's hopefully vague enough to avoid lawyer attention, but blunt enough to make a statement to fans of the show that don't know much about the game.

Of course, this assumes that they'd be filming episodes that would air before November 30, or the gesture could be moot. Still..."if you don't ask, you never find out."
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Taki on September 05, 2012, 01:19:50 PM
A valid point.

Well lets see how he deals with the internet creeper tracking him down and sending him an email & we'll go from there  ;D

There's a lot of "if's" but it's a start!
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on September 05, 2012, 02:10:12 PM
http://www.examiner.com/article/efforts-underway-to-save-city-of-heroes just featured us :D
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Thirty-Seven on September 05, 2012, 02:12:00 PM
http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/09/05/a-mild-mannered-reporter-requiescat-in-pace-city-of-heroes/

Massively just ran a story on the closing!  I made sure to add a comment about the effort to save the game, I am the first, so its sure to get read!!
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Vulpy on September 05, 2012, 02:21:50 PM
http://www.examiner.com/article/efforts-underway-to-save-city-of-heroes just featured us :D

Thank you! I've been looking for a link legitimate enough to try to post to a certain snarky news aggregation website. If I get greenlit, I'll post the link here.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: eabrace on September 05, 2012, 02:53:20 PM
(https://images.weserv.nl/?url=nerdfitti.com%2Fimages%2Fcoh%2Fripcoh.png)
That's some excellent work, Taki.  I, for one, would be proud to wear one of those on TV.  Sadly, I'm not on TV.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Vulpy on September 05, 2012, 03:36:23 PM
Thank you! I've been looking for a link legitimate enough to try to post to a certain snarky news aggregation website. If I get greenlit, I'll post the link here.

Redlit. I'm undeterred, though; I'll look for other ways to tell our story.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: TomFury on September 05, 2012, 03:55:00 PM
Some blogs have mentioned us:

http://www.scifiwright.com/2012/09/save-city-of-heroes/

http://joederouen.com/?p=314

Also, a couple more articles;

http://iqu.com/blog/paragon-studios-to-be-disbanded

http://www.gamingcentrum.com/2012/paragon-studios-in-discussions-to-save-city-of-heroes/
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: eabrace on September 05, 2012, 04:36:18 PM
http://www.gamingcentrum.com/2012/paragon-studios-in-discussions-to-save-city-of-heroes/
Could someone copy/paste the headline for this one so that I can add that to the twitter feed?  (The site is blocked at work because it's categorized as a "gaming" site." Boo!)
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: TomFury on September 05, 2012, 04:39:36 PM
Paragon Studios in Discussions to Save City of Heroes (Gaming-Centrum)
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Mister Bison on September 05, 2012, 04:39:49 PM
Could someone copy/paste the headline for this one so that I can add that to the twitter feed?  (The site is blocked at work because it's categorized as a "gaming" site." Boo!)
Quote
Paragon Studios in Discussions to Save City of Heroes
Though it just links to http://n4g.com/news/1074625/paragon-studios-in-discussions-to-save-city-of-heroes (http://n4g.com/news/1074625/paragon-studios-in-discussions-to-save-city-of-heroes) that links to http://www.gamerzines.com/mmo/rumour-paragon-discussions-heroes.html (http://www.gamerzines.com/mmo/rumour-paragon-discussions-heroes.html)

Not to discourage, just to mention it's not fresh new coverage, just passing.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: eabrace on September 05, 2012, 04:47:32 PM
Ah, that's good to know.  Thanks.  :)
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Tanglefoe on September 05, 2012, 05:19:17 PM
Just read this on the CoH forums.

http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=296806
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: NecrotechMaster on September 05, 2012, 05:35:14 PM
on this thread of the forums someone has contact with some san jose news stations

http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=296806 (http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=296806)

feel free to add what you can
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: AnettaP21 on September 05, 2012, 05:56:55 PM
I haven't played CoH in in a while, it's been one of those instances where real life must take a priority even though I still pay my subscription to maintain my status as an active player.  To hear CoH being shut down is at once maddening, disheartening and totally incomprehensible.  It is like finding out you are about to lose your best friend, for it is more than just a game, it is a chance to spend time with friends who have become like family.  I sincerely hope that NIC has a change of heart and realizes that there are millions of us who have become not just family within this game, but a part of THEIR family through Paragon Studios.  Should they not, I for one doubt sincerely that I will ever take a chance by investing my time, money, energy and self in an NIC game for fear of seeing history repeat itself and I will gladly boycott any NIC games regardless of how many recommendations, positive reviews or whatever they might receive.  Loyalty is a two way street and to the millions of us who have remained loyal to a game and the people we've come to know and love, this is a slap in the face.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: MistressNoire on September 05, 2012, 07:26:47 PM
Not sure if this was posted but.......

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-837330?ref=feeds%2Flatest

CNN!

go to the bottom and vote to keep this on the website that it deserves to be there!

go go go !! =)
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: emu265 on September 05, 2012, 07:33:33 PM
Anyone seen this?

http://www.examiner.com/article/efforts-underway-to-save-city-of-heroes

My apologies if it's been posted.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: TigerKnight on September 05, 2012, 08:15:38 PM
Another link to another article:

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Paragon-Studios-City-of-Heroes-MMORPG-Andy-Belford-NCsoft,17315.html
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Mister Bison on September 05, 2012, 09:13:37 PM
Another link to another article:

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Paragon-Studios-City-of-Heroes-MMORPG-Andy-Belford-NCsoft,17315.html
This article is actually misleading, their "update" is the press release of the official CoH site News ...
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Sophronisba on September 06, 2012, 01:13:38 AM
New article at Massively: http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/09/05/city-of-heroes-fans-rally-to-try-to-save-the-game/#comments
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: emu265 on September 06, 2012, 02:26:13 AM
New article at Massively: http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/09/05/city-of-heroes-fans-rally-to-try-to-save-the-game/#comments

Ooh, we got Massively.  Very nice.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: NecrotechMaster on September 06, 2012, 02:43:25 AM
i think that also makes the 8th place which has written a very nice article for us so far
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Moonfyire101 on September 06, 2012, 02:57:11 AM
I have someone contacting Linkara for us. Hoping he'll cover it too. Also, Is there a donation pool or are we waiting on that?
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: NecrotechMaster on September 06, 2012, 03:41:27 AM
i think we are still holding off on donations for now until we determine if we need it and how much we will need


also i found another very quotable line from someone on the forums:

"Together we entered a city of strangers, we made it a city of friends, and we leave it a City of Heroes."

(originally posted here: http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=296738 (http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=296738))
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Lock-On on September 06, 2012, 03:57:48 AM
Okay, so I thought I'd give Tony a hand and compile all the links for press info about articles that we've seen in this thread.  Sorry for the weird formatting, but I couldn't get my hyperlinks as nice as Tony's.  I've double checked all the links and verified that I didn't duplicate anything, but if someone sees an error, please correct me.  Thanks. 

    Can Social Media Make A Real Difference? City Of Heroes Players Hope So (Addicting Info)
    http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/09/03/city-of-heroes-being-shut-down
    Keep City of Heroes Online Petition Nears 10,000 Signatures (GamerZines.com)
    http://www.gamerzines.com/mmo/heroes-online-petition-nearing.html
    City of Heroes Shutting Down: Ordinary Gamers Make Effort to Save the MMORPG (Game & Guide)
    http://www.gamenguide.com/articles/3164/20120904/city-heroes-shutting-down-ordinary-gamers-make.htm
    City of Heroes Gamers Fight to Save Their World (CNN iReporter)
    http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-837330
    Fans Fight to Save City of Heroes (Game Politics)
    http://www.gamepolitics.com/2012/09/04/fans-fight-save-city-heroes
    Efforts Underway to Save City of Heroes (Examiner.com)
    http://www.examiner.com/article/efforts-underway-to-save-city-of-heroes
    City of Heroes Players Fight to Save Their Home (OnRPG)
    http://www.onrpg.com/MMO/City-of-Heroes/news/City-of-Heroes-Players-Fight-to-Save-their-Home
    City of Heroes Fans Rally to Try to Save the Game (Massively)
    http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/09/05/city-of-heroes-fans-rally-to-try-to-save-the-game
    The Daily Grind: Do you view MMO's as disposable entertainment? (Massively)
    http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/09/04/the-daily-grind-do-you-view-mmos-as-disposable-entertainment/
    Paragon Studios closing, City of Heroes to sunset before the end of the year (Massively)
    http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/08/31/paragon-studios-closing-city-of-heroes-to-sunset-before-the-end/
    We want your most creative City of Heroes character (Massively)
    http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/09/04/we-want-your-most-creative-city-of-heroes-character/
    A Mild-Mannered Reporter: Requiescat in Pace, City of Heroes (Massively)
    http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/09/05/a-mild-mannered-reporter-requiescat-in-pace-city-of-heroes/
    City of Heroes is Shutting Down - Blogger Reactions (MMO Melting Pot)
    http://www.mmomeltingpot.com/2012/09/city-of-heroes-is-shutting-down-blogger-reactions/
    NCSoft Shuts Down City of Heroes (The Escapist)
    http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/119398-NCsoft-Shuts-Down-City-of-Heroes
    'City of Heroes' MMO Shutting Down by the End of the Year (Comics Alliance - a NON gaming site!)
    http://www.comicsalliance.com/2012/09/04/city-of-heroes-shutting-down/
    Rumour: Paragon in "Discussions" to Save City of Heroes (Gamerzines)
    http://www.gamerzines.com/mmo/rumour-paragon-discussions-heroes.html
    Save City of Heroes! (John C. Wright's Journal)
    http://www.scifiwright.com/2012/09/save-city-of-heroes/
    City of Heroes - Will We Let the Villains Win? (Joe DeRouen)
    http://joederouen.com/?p=314
    Paragon Studios To Be Disbanded (IQU)
    http://iqu.com/blog/paragon-studios-to-be-disbanded
    Paragon Studios in Discussions to Save City of Heroes (Gaming-Centrum)
    http://www.gamingcentrum.com/2012/paragon-studios-in-discussions-to-save-city-of-heroes/
    Bummer: City of Heroes Closing By Year's End (Tom's Hardware)
    http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Paragon-Studios-City-of-Heroes-MMORPG-Andy-Belford-NCsoft,17315.html
   

A few quick thoughts.  An impressive list of articles so far, including a mention on CNN.com and Comic's Alliance a non-gaming website (though still in the genre).  Not sure how much of this can be leveraged in discussions but is worth keeping in mind.

I'll try to pop in as time permits and if I see any more links add them to the list.  I'll also PM Tony and let him know that a bigger list then what's on the first page exists.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: eabrace on September 06, 2012, 04:42:31 AM
A new one from onRPG:

Gamers Rally to Save City of Heroes
http://www.onrpg.com/MMO/City-of-Heroes/news/Gamers-Rally-to-Save-City-of-Heroes
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: NecrotechMaster on September 06, 2012, 05:06:19 AM
theres a really good player testimonial type thing here in this thread

http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?p=4383552 (http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?p=4383552)

im sure it could help in any media story
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: NecrotechMaster on September 06, 2012, 05:29:32 AM
You know what also is conveniently appearing on sunday night? the robot chicken DC comics special

if someone were to get a hold of adult swim it could be possible they could mention save coh in one of their little "bumps" during commercials

i found some resources which might be useful:
adultswim [bump] builder: http://www.adultswim.com/bumps/ (http://www.adultswim.com/bumps/)
adultswim contact info: http://www.adultswim.com/footer/contact/index.html (http://www.adultswim.com/footer/contact/index.html)

its a longshot to be featured but hey it will theme well with the robot chicken special which i know i will definitely be watching anyway


edit: i have submitted an email to adult swim asking for them to feature our movement in a bump when they air the robot chicken DC comic special, here is what i wrote:

Last Friday City of Heroes was declared to be shut down by NCSoft out of nowhere even though City of Heroes was a doing fine and still has a very loyal fanbase.  City of Heroes is the first and best superhero themed MMO on the market and with a risk being shut down is gonna dishearten superhero fans everywhere. 

Since the DC Comics Special of Robot Chicken was going to be airing this Sunday, August 9th.  I would deeply request that a message be put out in the form of bumps about the plight of the fans of City of Heroes.

There has been a petition circulating to help keep the game alive (source: http://bit.ly/savecoh) as well as a massive spearheading effort by TonyV and the Titan Network who have been running the ParagonWiki as well as numerous other resources (source: http://www.cohtitan.com/forum/index.php/topic,4882.0.html).

You can be a hero and help support our cause by featuring a bump on this subject!
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: emu265 on September 06, 2012, 06:38:09 AM
GENIUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I will support this!
What they said.  If this works it'd be beyond helpful.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Taceus Jiwede on September 06, 2012, 07:14:05 AM
Wow!  I came here a day or two ago and there was two sites now there is many more!  I have left a unique and thankful comment on every site (Well did the best I could to lol)  Keep up the good work everyone we are making some real progress!
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: NecrotechMaster on September 06, 2012, 07:31:47 AM
in regards to my post about an adult swim bump, elvnsword has designed a bump which is short sweet and to the point

link here to rate up: http://www.adultswim.com/bumps/elvnsword/savecoh.html (http://www.adultswim.com/bumps/elvnsword/savecoh.html)
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: emu265 on September 06, 2012, 07:53:03 AM
in regards to my post about an adult swim bump, elvnsword has designed a bump which is short sweet and to the point

link here to rate up: http://www.adultswim.com/bumps/elvnsword/savecoh.html (http://www.adultswim.com/bumps/elvnsword/savecoh.html)
Well done.
Rated. 
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: TonyV on September 06, 2012, 08:09:25 AM
Hey all, we scored another article on OnRPG, this time with a link to our Unity Rally this weekend!  We've got a friend there!  :)

Edit:   :o  I've been scooped by Eabrace on my own press release?  Dude, that's awesome.  ;)
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Vulpy on September 06, 2012, 10:56:51 AM
Well done.
Rated.

Rated and shared. My RL friends that play the game are going to get sick of my spam.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Technerdoc on September 06, 2012, 11:40:46 AM
I found something from the german press. Even when City of Heroes wasn't much popular here there are still news about it, I'm surprised.  :o

http://www.gamezone.de/City-of-Heroes-PC-16703/News/City-of-Heroes-Fans-versuchen-das-Superhelden-MMO-zu-retten-1022777/

Oh... of course you can't understand a single word there but... Nothing new so far we didn't already know. Fans want to save the game and the Paragon Studios are talking with investors, but Community Manager Andy Belford also said that there is no rescue in sight so far.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Soundtrack on September 06, 2012, 12:09:37 PM
in regards to my post about an adult swim bump, elvnsword has designed a bump which is short sweet and to the point

link here to rate up: http://www.adultswim.com/bumps/elvnsword/savecoh.html (http://www.adultswim.com/bumps/elvnsword/savecoh.html)

Ok, I rated it, but saw no confirmation it was received. Is that normal?
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: NecrotechMaster on September 06, 2012, 02:02:31 PM
Ok, I rated it, but saw no confirmation it was received. Is that normal?

i think so, adding comments would prolly also help get it noticed
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on September 06, 2012, 02:32:08 PM
The guy who wrote the Gamerzine article posted in the comments to say their website would do all they could to support us, which is awesome. I'm not sure if anyone noticed that.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: frostcoh on September 06, 2012, 02:34:11 PM
is NcSoft seeing any of this? How do we make sure they see it?
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on September 06, 2012, 03:25:12 PM
We hit Starburst!

http://www.starburstmagazine.com/gaming-news/3368-gaming-news-city-of-heroes-to-be-evicted

ETA: And these guys:

http://www.tentonhammer.com/coh/news/fans-rally-to-save-city-of-heroes
http://gamesareevil.com/2012/09/news-community-rallies-save-city-heroes
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Vulpy on September 06, 2012, 04:27:24 PM
We hit Starburst!

http://www.starburstmagazine.com/gaming-news/3368-gaming-news-city-of-heroes-to-be-evicted

ETA: And these guys:

http://www.tentonhammer.com/coh/news/fans-rally-to-save-city-of-heroes
http://gamesareevil.com/2012/09/news-community-rallies-save-city-heroes

Read and commented. Thank you, rae!
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: eabrace on September 06, 2012, 04:43:26 PM
http://ofcourseillplayit.blogspot.com/2012/09/we-will-not-go-quietly.html
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: TonyV on September 06, 2012, 05:37:05 PM
I added the Ten Ton Hammer link, but one of our project coordinators helped compile a MUCH bigger list.  Seriously, my mind is blown.  44 blogs and news sites so far (and counting!) specifically on our efforts to save City of Heroes.  I've got two high priority fish to fry right now, but this is third on my list.  When Paragon Studios talked to NCsoft, I want them to have this list as reference to go in and say, "Look!  You need to turn this publicity in your favor!"  I've also e-mailed some contacts within NCsoft that I think will be useful and helpful to our cause with this information, I really hope that they see and understand the traction we're getting here.

In the meantime, like always, Go!  Hunt!  Spred wordz!  :)
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Streakbreaker on September 06, 2012, 05:49:31 PM
MMORPG.com has run the story about our efforts now!
http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/loadNews/25450/Gamers-Rally-to-Save-City-of-Heroes
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Aggelakis on September 06, 2012, 06:05:05 PM
It's "sort of" a personal blog for a bunch of folks, but they talk about everything that a standard game site talks about, just in smaller scale. Here's one of the blogger's personal story and plea:
http://www.threatormenace.com/2012/09/06/city-of-heroes-please-dont-leave/
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: emu265 on September 06, 2012, 06:07:17 PM
I added the Ten Ton Hammer link, but one of our project coordinators helped compile a MUCH bigger list.  Seriously, my mind is blown.  44 blogs and news sites so far (and counting!) specifically on our efforts to save City of Heroes.  I've got two high priority fish to fry right now, but this is third on my list.  When Paragon Studios talked to NCsoft, I want them to have this list as reference to go in and say, "Look!  You need to turn this publicity in your favor!"  I've also e-mailed some contacts within NCsoft that I think will be useful and helpful to our cause with this information, I really hope that they see and understand the traction we're getting here.

In the meantime, like always, Go!  Hunt!  Spred wordz!  :)

I'm honestly not sure how they can ignore it at this point.  It seems to me that the entire MMO gaming blogosphere is aware of what's going on and what's being done about it.  Which is awesome.  We keep it up and we'll be in mainstream media soon.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: TomFury on September 06, 2012, 07:15:56 PM
And we're on GameSpy:

Occupy Paragon City to Protest City of Heroes' Closure
http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/city-of-heroes/1225984p1.html
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: eabrace on September 06, 2012, 07:18:43 PM
And we're on GameSpy:

Occupy Paragon City to Protest City of Heroes' Closure
http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/city-of-heroes/1225984p1.html
The really amusing part about this one?  All of a sudden this is being re-tweeted by the Occupy Movement.  (Yeah, the same ones who were camped out on Wall Street.)
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: emu265 on September 06, 2012, 07:19:45 PM
And we're on GameSpy:

Occupy Paragon City to Protest City of Heroes' Closure
http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/city-of-heroes/1225984p1.html

I can't even keep up with how fast we're getting coverage.  I think we'll be hitting the mainstream soon enough.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: emu265 on September 06, 2012, 07:20:52 PM
The really amusing part about this one?  All of a sudden this is being re-tweeted by the Occupy Movement.  (Yeah, the same ones who were camped out on Wall Street.)
Seriously?  Do they think Paragon City is a real place or something?
Still, more words in the faces of the general everyone can't really hurt.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: eabrace on September 06, 2012, 07:23:28 PM
Seriously?  Do they think Paragon City is a real place or something?
Still, more words in the faces of the general everyone can't really hurt.
I know.  I'm certainly not complaining.  They have pretty big followings.  :)
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: castorcorvus on September 06, 2012, 07:27:30 PM
Not a fan of the Occupy movement, personal reasons, but I guess help is help. So I thank any involved for that. ;D
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: emu265 on September 06, 2012, 07:28:58 PM
I know.  I'm certainly not complaining.  They have pretty big followings.  :)
Indeed they do.  National headlines status.  If they get involved for real this it's a promise we will move beyond just the MMO sphere of influence!

Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: dwturducken on September 06, 2012, 08:22:32 PM
The really amusing part about this one?  All of a sudden this is being re-tweeted by the Occupy Movement.  (Yeah, the same ones who were camped out on Wall Street.)
<facepalm>
I used to like them, but they do get exposure, though not as instantly as they used to.

Wow... Just. Wow.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Catmand00 on September 06, 2012, 08:34:23 PM
I've sent an email to Rock, Paper, Shotgun, although I haven't heard back (nor am I personally expecting a response). In a couple different articles they mention their sorrow at the ending of City of Heroes. We could get some traction there, so one of the leaders should definitely hit them up if that's not already in the works.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Codewalker on September 06, 2012, 09:09:56 PM
And we're on GameSpy:

Occupy Paragon City to Protest City of Heroes' Closure
http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/city-of-heroes/1225984p1.html

I couldn't find the link, but eventually managed to locate it. For the curious, here it is:
http://twitter.com/OccupyTimesDay/status/243788103318388738
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: emu265 on September 06, 2012, 09:31:53 PM
I couldn't find the link, but eventually managed to locate it. For the curious, here it is:
http://twitter.com/OccupyTimesDay/status/243788103318388738
I wonder why they would want to get involved.  Unless whoever runs their Twitter is seriously confused.  It's a bit of a polarizing ally but I can't really see it hurting us in any meaningful way.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Sister Leortha on September 06, 2012, 09:44:34 PM
I wonder why they would want to get involved.  Unless whoever runs their Twitter is seriously confused.  It's a bit of a polarizing ally but I can't really see it hurting us in any meaningful way.

Semi-random guess?  Someone over there plays the game and used their position in one group to boost visibility on something close to their heart for another group (us).
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: emu265 on September 06, 2012, 09:47:05 PM
Semi-random guess?  Someone over there plays the game and used their position in one group to boost visibility on something close to their heart for another group (us).

Hah.  I hadn't even thought about that.  People playing City of Heroes?  What?  >.>

Anyway, does someone want to make a move and contact them?  Tweet at them or whatever?  Is that even a good idea?
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Vulpy on September 06, 2012, 09:54:26 PM
Anyway, does someone want to make a move and contact them?  Tweet at them or whatever?  Is that even a good idea?

I could definitely see them being willing to take up the cause--there's a definite "little guys standing up to big corporations" angle that could be played--and they are motivated. But, yes, they're also a bit polarizing.

If nothing else, we probably need to make sure they realize that #OccupyParagonCity isn't actually going to involve occupying a physical location--if, after hearing that, they're receptive to our message, then we can decide if we want to explore an alliance.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: emu265 on September 06, 2012, 09:59:58 PM
I could definitely see them being willing to take up the cause--there's a definite "little guys standing up to big corporations" angle that could be played--and they are motivated. But, yes, they're also a bit polarizing.

If nothing else, we probably need to make sure they realize that #OccupyParagonCity isn't actually going to involve occupying a physical location--if, after hearing that, they're receptive to our message, then we can decide if we want to explore an alliance.

They have a link to the GamerZine article in their tweet.  Unless their Twitter people are automatically tweet anything with "occupy" in the headline, I would assume they know. 

You're right on the angle though.  As much as people may not like Occupy (I'm not the biggest fan myself) we do have certain philosophical connections. 
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: emu265 on September 06, 2012, 10:03:20 PM
Research moment.

"The Occupy Time Daily is a daily eNewspaper that has a mix of the occupy movements news from around the world."

They have less than 1,000 followers, so they're not exactly huge.  It is, however, a very handy bridge into a group of people who don't necessarily play the game, or even MMOs in general.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: TomFury on September 06, 2012, 10:22:55 PM
PC Gamer has an article, too!  Awesome!

Players Rally in Protest Against City of Heroes Closure
http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/09/06/players-protest-city-of-heroes/
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: emu265 on September 06, 2012, 10:33:06 PM
PC Gamer has a blurb, too!  Awesome!

Players Rally in Protest Against City of Heroes Closure
http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/09/06/players-protest-city-of-heroes/
Sweet.  It's a shame the article points them towards the official forums instead of here.  Probably doesn't matter much though; if someone cares enough to click the link they'll probably end up here anyway.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: TonyV on September 06, 2012, 10:43:02 PM
Hey all, we have BLOWN THE DOORS off the media.  It started out as a couple of sites, then a few here and there, and now, more than 50 and counting covering our Save Paragon City! campaign and the efforts of our heroes in making sure that the lights stay on in Paragon City for a long time to come!

I've updated the top post in this thread.  I can't keep up with putting links to every article, some of our coordinators updating a Google Docs spreadsheet (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjrAo1HdYNiddGFha0dnTzF3OEE2Nm4wUlRwSWlMRmc) instead.  Bookmark and click the link to see the tangible fruits of our hard labor.  (But please be prepared and hold on to your socks before clicking the link.  You don't want those hurting someone when they fly off uncontrollably.)  I'm telling you, the tide is truly turning in our favor, and with some of the activities we have planned, such as the upcoming Unity Rally / Paragon Appreciation Costume Contest (http://www.cohtitan.com/forum/index.php/topic,4935.0.html) this Saturday (5:00pm Eastern on Virtue, don't forget!), attention is only going to grow.

THANK YOU ALL YET AGAIN for all of your hard work and effort.  We really are capable of making the impossible possible.  Now let's push onward to downright likely!   8)
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: emu265 on September 06, 2012, 10:51:20 PM
Hey all, we have BLOWN THE DOORS off the media.  It started out as a couple of sites, then a few here and there, and now, more than 50 and counting covering our Save Paragon City! campaign and the efforts of our heroes in making sure that the lights stay on in Paragon City for a long time to come!

I've updated the top post in this thread.  I can't keep up with putting links to every article, some of our coordinators updating a Google Docs spreadsheet (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjrAo1HdYNiddGFha0dnTzF3OEE2Nm4wUlRwSWlMRmc) instead.  Bookmark and click the link to see the tangible fruits of our hard labor.  (But please be prepared and hold on to your socks before clicking the link.  You don't want those hurting someone when they fly off uncontrollably.)  I'm telling you, the tide is truly turning in our favor, and with some of the activities we have planned, such as the upcoming Unity Rally / Paragon Appreciation Costume Contest (http://www.cohtitan.com/forum/index.php/topic,4935.0.html) this Saturday (5:00pm Eastern on Virtue, don't forget!), attention is only going to grow.

THANK YOU ALL YET AGAIN for all of your hard work and effort.  We really are capable of making the impossible possible.  Now let's push onward to downright likely!   8)

Wow!  Just last night I was under the impression we had like a dozen.  But over 50!?!?  We really can do this!  I am echoing Tony's thanks to everyone.  Seriously, great job!
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Vulpy on September 06, 2012, 10:51:43 PM
I've updated the top post in this thread.  I can't keep up with putting links to every article, some of our coordinators updating a Google Docs spreadsheet (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjrAo1HdYNiddGFha0dnTzF3OEE2Nm4wUlRwSWlMRmc) instead.  Bookmark and click the link to see the tangible fruits of our hard labor.

Well, paint me green and call me a grasshopper. A masterlink! Any chance we could have it kept visibly somewhere and have new links highlighted for the first 24-48 hours after they're added?
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: emu265 on September 06, 2012, 10:53:25 PM
Well, paint me green and call me a grasshopper. A masterlink! Any chance we could have it kept visibly somewhere and have new links highlighted for the first 24-48 hours after they're added?
Maybe Tony can stick it into the first post?
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: NecrotechMaster on September 07, 2012, 03:16:41 AM
i just noticed one of the articles was updated

http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/09/06/city-of-heroes-fans-will-hold-a-protest-rally-at-atlas-park/ (http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/09/06/city-of-heroes-fans-will-hold-a-protest-rally-at-atlas-park/)

says in the update "[Update: Massively plans to be on hand to stream the event on our Twitch channel. Join us then!]"

so we might be having live coverage of this event
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Lock-On on September 07, 2012, 03:29:55 AM
Also it looks like we're picking up steam in the twitter verse.  @Samuriko has gotten Neil Gaiman to Retween a link to the cnn article about our efforts to save the city.

https://twitter.com/Samuraiko/status/243758323642548224

There are a few other links to some celebrities as well, but not sure if they are retweeting the way Mr. Gaiman did.  If so, this could be another tool in the toolbox with celebrity endorsements for our campaign.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: dwturducken on September 07, 2012, 04:12:23 AM
i just noticed one of the articles was updated

http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/09/06/city-of-heroes-fans-will-hold-a-protest-rally-at-atlas-park/ (http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/09/06/city-of-heroes-fans-will-hold-a-protest-rally-at-atlas-park/)

says in the update "[Update: Massively plans to be on hand to stream the event on our Twitch channel. Join us then!]"

so we might be having live coverage of this event

They've also adopted the hashtag! <squeee!>

Gunna go look for more!

(We are up against the DNC, tonight, tho.)
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: beveri8469 on September 07, 2012, 06:56:22 AM
also Casey Schreiner who is the host of the MMO Report on G4TV.com mentions up in this weeks MMO Report also. it is up now if u want to check it out.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: NecrotechMaster on September 07, 2012, 06:58:50 AM
also Casey Schreiner who is the host of the MMO Report on G4TV.com mentions up in this weeks MMO Report also. it is up now if u want to check it out.

i was wondering when it would pop up there, too bad G4s audience has been in the toilet lol

edit: btw do you have a link? its still coverage that we could add to our list
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: beveri8469 on September 07, 2012, 07:02:25 AM
sorry my bad. forgot link.

http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/727704/the-mmo-report-under-construction-edition/

here ya go
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: NecrotechMaster on September 07, 2012, 07:05:36 AM
the mmo report does mention it very breifly but it is technically still on TV so its a little coverage, even though many tv providers dont even have G4 anymore because all they do is play 12 hour cops marathons lol
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Knightslayer on September 07, 2012, 09:16:08 AM
So, should we only add English sites to the list, or are all languages fair game?

Either way, these would be several Dutch ones.

http://www.insidegamer.nl/nieuws/100324/city-of-heroes-blijft-misschien-online (http://www.insidegamer.nl/nieuws/100324/city-of-heroes-blijft-misschien-online)

http://tweakers.net/nieuws/84113/ncsoft-sluit-deuren-city-of-heroes-ontwikkelaar.html (http://tweakers.net/nieuws/84113/ncsoft-sluit-deuren-city-of-heroes-ontwikkelaar.html)

http://www.9lives.be/games/city-of-heroes/nieuws/ncsoft-haalt-servers-city-of-heroes-offline (http://www.9lives.be/games/city-of-heroes/nieuws/ncsoft-haalt-servers-city-of-heroes-offline)

http://www.telegraaf.nl/digitaal/games/12883167/__Superhelden_verliezen_hun_thuis_in_City_of_Heroes__.html (http://www.telegraaf.nl/digitaal/games/12883167/__Superhelden_verliezen_hun_thuis_in_City_of_Heroes__.html)

http://games.fok.nl/nieuws/560725/1/1/100/city-of-heroes-en-paragon-studios-stoppen.html (http://games.fok.nl/nieuws/560725/1/1/100/city-of-heroes-en-paragon-studios-stoppen.html)


If nothing else at least it's several more sites getting the word out, right?
I could also try to contact them and point out the petition/rescue efforts in the hope that they'll cover them in another article. :D
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Riff on September 07, 2012, 10:31:40 AM
I couldn't update the spreadsheet - not sure if I could but here's a post I left in the Unofficial EU Player Meet thread:

Quote
I've been in touch with both the http://www.expressandstar.com/ and http://www.birminghammail.net/ to let them know the meet is happening and why.

I'm not sure what response we'll get but figured better to let them know ASAP.

here's a copy of the email I sent ot Birmingham Mail:

Quote
I've just been speaking wit your colleague Ben who asked me to send in an email:

This weekend players of the online MMO City of Heroes will be meeting in Birmingham at Global Gaming, http://www.globalgaming.co.uk/html/contact_us.html


City of Heroes has been around since 2004 and is one of the oldest, most respected MMORPGs out there but last week, the game's owners NCSoft announced it is to close at the end of November 2012.

We have organized a player meet for all the EU community and it's taking place this weekend at Global Gaming. This is the third such meet but this is especially important given the news about City of Heroes. The newsworthy aspect stretches beyond simple human interest however, since the global player community are mobilizing in an attempt to save the game and this is one of the first of the major events planned. In the wider global gaming community the closure of this title is big news - it's a shock to the industry and it would be a worthwhile story.

The meet's details are: Saturday 8th September - Sunday 9th September 2012 at the following address:

NetAdventure Cybercafe
68 - 70 Dalton St
Dale End
City Center
Birmingham,
B4 7LX

0121 693 6655
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Knightslayer on September 07, 2012, 11:46:19 AM
I didn't find it in the Doc, but these folks also posted about CoH's demise http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=40798 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=40798)
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: The-Hunter-JLJ on September 07, 2012, 12:41:36 PM
Holy rusty metal, Batman. They're coming in faster than I can thank them for. (grin) A problem I think we can live with...
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: The-Hunter-JLJ on September 07, 2012, 03:09:54 PM
This site could use a response, but comments seem broken for me - the captcha doesn't come up so you can submit. TonyV, it is already on your list, I am trying to work my way through and put a response on each and every one... but you're adding them fast than I can. (grin)

http://mmohuts.com/news/city-of-heroes-players-fight-to-save-their-home
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Sophronisba on September 07, 2012, 03:24:18 PM
I just responded. The "captcha" isn't really a captcha; it's the little math problem that appears just above the comment box. At least that's what showed up for me.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on September 07, 2012, 03:50:40 PM
I couldn't respond to that one (ttp://mmohuts.com/news/city-of-heroes-players-fight-to-save-their-home) but I'm not entirely sure it wasn't a glitch at my end. My browsers been a bit drunk all day.

I almost feel bad for that blogger:  http://justonemoreunlock.blogspot.ie/2012/09/the-reason-not-to-save-city-of-heroes.html

But not THAT bad.

Oh. Am I being dumb? I get what the highlighted entries on the media spreadsheet are for, but a couple have coloured boxes around them. Is that just because someone's clicked on them, or am I supposed to be paying them special attention?

Churz.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Mr. Wentworth on September 07, 2012, 03:58:42 PM
Here's another writeup that I saw posted in one of the Facebook groups. Add it to the Google doc when time permits.

http://www.mmobomb.com/memberzone/city-of-heroes-letter
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Zombie Hustler on September 07, 2012, 04:05:15 PM
So, should we only add English sites to the list, or are all languages fair game?

I'd say all languages are fair game. The more we can make it apparent that we are a global community, and not just a niche, the better.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: NecrotechMaster on September 07, 2012, 04:09:56 PM
Here's another writeup that I saw posted in one of the Facebook groups. Add it to the Google doc when time permits.

http://www.mmobomb.com/memberzone/city-of-heroes-letter

its a good article, however one would think they would have spell/grammar checked some, noticed numerous typos in the article

still, its a great read and it tries to touch base with poeple who havent actually played the game
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: eabrace on September 07, 2012, 04:16:26 PM
I almost feel bad for that blogger:  http://justonemoreunlock.blogspot.ie/2012/09/the-reason-not-to-save-city-of-heroes.html

While I do like to present both sides to an argument and allow people to reach their own conclusions, I think I'll forgo posting that link on the Twitter feed.  I fear that the deluge of firebombing that would result would quite simply be inhumane.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Dr Asinine on September 07, 2012, 04:26:38 PM
I couldn't respond to that one (ttp://mmohuts.com/news/city-of-heroes-players-fight-to-save-their-home) but I'm not entirely sure it wasn't a glitch at my end. My browsers been a bit drunk all day.

I almost feel bad for that blogger:  http://justonemoreunlock.blogspot.ie/2012/09/the-reason-not-to-save-city-of-heroes.html

But not THAT bad.

Oh. Am I being dumb? I get what the highlighted entries on the media spreadsheet are for, but a couple have coloured boxes around them. Is that just because someone's clicked on them, or am I supposed to be paying them special attention?

Churz.

Holy.  Crap.

I just...wow.  I read that and was completely disgusted.  His premise that it's old is absolutely absurd, and the 'let it die so that the sidekick can become the hero' is sickening.  There's a reason that Champions and DCOnline have been failures...because they aren't nearly as good as CoX.  Not even close.  It really seems that he just doesn't like the game.

As I said in my reply to that article...if it was losing money, had ghost town servers etc I'd understand.  But...it's profitable.  Not only profitable but REALLY profitable.  Not WoW profitable (that's a fluke) but unlike most mainstream MMOs it's MAKING MONEY.  This decision makes zero sense.  I swear NCSoft meant to can Aion and it got mistranslated into English from Korean...

-Doctor Asinine
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: NecrotechMaster on September 07, 2012, 04:28:54 PM
While I do like to present both sides to an argument and allow people to reach their own conclusions, I think I'll forgo posting that link on the Twitter feed.  I fear that the deluge of firebombing that would result would quite simply be inhumane.

the comments in that are already kind of reputing them lol, but it is a good idea to try to keep that article hushed for now

i do agree that there is always an opposing argument, but so far 1 bad article out of 50+ good articles is still in our favor
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: eabrace on September 07, 2012, 04:30:30 PM
I swear NCSoft meant to can Aion and it got mistranslated into English from Korean... -Doctor Asinine
That might be the best quote I read all day.  ;D
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: NecrotechMaster on September 07, 2012, 05:01:13 PM
the petition is like 250 signatures away from 15,000

keep spreading the word!
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Ammon on September 07, 2012, 05:35:53 PM
I know this is a little late now, but I think it is worth mentioning.  If you are commenting on a post and not using the link or something to yourself, please think for a second to donate it to the Save COH efforts, by linking to one of the many hubs URLs we are trying to promote and rally people around.  The links help search engines see what relates to what, and will help massively in promoting our cause and our fight.

Now, please, that doesn't mean spam links throughout every comment.  I just mean that where a comment gives you the opportunity to give a name and url, and you aren't using it for anything else, please do think to use the URL of the Titan Forums, or any of the other hubs for saving City of Heroes.  Thanks
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: anthrax2525 on September 07, 2012, 10:40:50 PM
Has anyone considered The Gameological Society at The A.V. Club?

http://gameological.com/

Maybe it's opening up to more snark, but it's worth a try. Every outlet is worth that shot.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: emu265 on September 09, 2012, 07:36:15 AM
Cities' official twitter tweeted this, but in case no one's seen it:

http://www.dealspwn.com/neil-gaiman-john-wright-john-kovalic-mercedes-lackey-support-save-city-heroes-campaign-113562?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Dealspwn+%28Dealspwn%29

This article is very nice.  They even say they reached out to NCsoft for a comment.   Get over there and thank them!
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: eabrace on September 09, 2012, 05:07:02 PM
New article and blog post (I don't think I've seen them linked here yet, but saw the links go up on Twitter):

http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/09/09/fans-continue-to-show-spectacular-support-for-city-of-heroes/
http://vinailt.tumblr.com/post/31201272205/why-savecoh-should-matter-to-you

Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: dwturducken on September 09, 2012, 05:18:21 PM
To whomever has edit permission on the media mentions list, if you could keep adding the dates of publish as you add articles, it would be extremely helpful.  That list, being publicly readable, is a perfect informational tool to point prospective new writers to.  "Hey, look how much press this has already gotten! You really want to share this with your viewers/readers/listeners based one x, y, and z."  The dates are often pickable from the URLs, but, as has been mentioned, we're trying to get the attention of very busy people.  It won't matter how long the list is if the newest date on it is three days old.  In the world of 24 hour cable news, Twitter, Reddit, etc, that's ancient history.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: TomFury on September 10, 2012, 04:32:29 AM
Not sure if these have already been posted.  Sorry, if so:

Save City Of Heroes Campaign Gets Support From Celebrities
http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Save-City-Heroes-Campaign-Gets-Support-From-Celebrities-46695.html
9/9/2012 1443

Screenshot contest from our friends over at Massively, with a shout out (see last paragraph):

One Shots: Still got it
http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/09/09/one-shots-still-got-it/
9/9/2012 1600
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: dwturducken on September 10, 2012, 04:51:01 AM
Not sure if these have already been posted.  Sorry, if so:

Save City Of Heroes Campaign Gets Support From Celebrities
http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Save-City-Heroes-Campaign-Gets-Support-From-Celebrities-46695.html
9/9/2012 1443

I cringed at the "A" word (addicts). Hopefully, we can comment on that enough that they'll correct it.

The article is correct. This is only getting started. It is interesting to note that they list NCSoft as being in talks with investors, not the studio.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: emu265 on September 10, 2012, 05:36:14 AM
I cringed at the "A" word (addicts). Hopefully, we can comment on that enough that they'll correct it.

The article is correct. This is only getting started. It is interesting to note that they list NCSoft as being in talks with investors, not the studio.
I thought it was confirmed that they were talking with investors AND Paragon? 
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: dwturducken on September 10, 2012, 05:43:30 AM
I thought it was confirmed that they were talking with investors AND Paragon?

Damn!  I was thinking it was only Paragon, so moving on to investors was a move forward. It's still a curious wording, then.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: emu265 on September 10, 2012, 06:11:14 AM
Damn!  I was thinking it was only Paragon, so moving on to investors was a move forward. It's still a curious wording, then.
I remember Tony making a good point about this (do NOT ask me to find it, haha).  The fact that they're involving investors somewhat confirms Miss Lackey's theory that the decision came largely from Nexon.  NCSoft may or may not agree with it, so they're all talking and trying to work something out.  If we're lucky, NC and Paragon may even be on the same team here!

It's all speculation of course.  Shouldn't detract from doing all the good stuff we've been doing.  Back to commenting on articles :)
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: NecrotechMaster on September 10, 2012, 06:27:00 AM
i think that the article that you are looking for is on the official forums, with thread titled "ncsoft is NOT our enemy"

but yes if ncsoft is looking for potential investors then they may be trying to sell the game

paragon studios employees may have lost their jobs but if ncsoft is working with them and willing to sell (which is what i think its starting to sound like) then its only a matter of finding investors who are willing to support the game to get rebooted essentially

if all this works out it could be huge publicity for coh especially considering i24 was named resurgence that would be almost perfect
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: dwturducken on September 10, 2012, 06:31:54 AM
Careful. We might get our hopes up. ;)
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: NecrotechMaster on September 10, 2012, 06:37:53 AM
i think we still have a chance, all depends on how fast ncsoft manages to find investors and transfering the rights of the game to the new owner(s)

i know its still up in the air and is kind of  longshot but its also the best possible outcome that could prolly happen given our current situation
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: emu265 on September 10, 2012, 06:47:00 AM
Careful. We might get our hopes up. ;)
Wait what?  No!  I didn't mean that!  Go wallow in your sorrow!  ...Or something.

Nah, I'll be an optimist until the day I die.  So take everything I say with a grain of salt :P
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Superratz on September 10, 2012, 09:15:58 AM
Excellent work Tony V et al.

Please bear in mind, anything we do MUST continue until the last day. 3 months is a long time in the world of media, and, with elections/natural disasters/sports fixtures etc, it will be really important to keep any media contacts you make informed, updated and above all, interested.

One thing I have noticed being in Europe, is that my sorces of information are either Sals Badgehunters on Facebook or the CoH European forums - are our fellow players from the US also doing anything, and could somebody perhaps compile a list of links to the various forums etc?

Once again, thanks to anyone and everyone who is championing our cause.

Makes me proud to be a CoX'er!
I think on the Show, they call him Captain Sweat Pants.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: RogerWilco on September 10, 2012, 01:01:00 PM
I've commented on the Dutch/Belgian links in the spreadsheet.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on September 10, 2012, 02:33:03 PM
http://my.mmosite.com/801718/blog/ritem/city_of_heroes_shutting_down_but_are_recent_demands_from_gamers_going_too_far.html <- negative.
http://tobolds.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/kickstopper.html <- negative /and/ annoying.

http://www.mmomeltingpot.com/2012/09/the-battle-begins-can-the-community-save-city-of-heroes/
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/pressreleases/177229/Gamers_Rally_to_Save_City_of_Heroes.php
http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/09/06/players-protest-city-of-heroes/
http://games.on.net/2012/09/brave-citizens-rally-to-save-city-of-heroes/

Sorry if any of these are duplicates. I did check this forum, but there's so many I've lost track now :)
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: The-Hunter-JLJ on September 10, 2012, 02:36:42 PM
Yeah, they are coming in so fast now it's hard to keep up with commenting on all of them. Glad I saw someone say they'd commented on some of the foreign language sites. I was about to work through with Google Translate and put up a thank you. Would probably have caused an interstellar incident... (grin)
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on September 10, 2012, 02:38:03 PM
Yeah, they are coming in so fast now it's hard to keep up with commenting on all of them.

It's a nice problem to have, though. I'm finding it hard not to repeat myself over and over again. Especially to the naysayers. Thesaurus.com has never seen so much action from me ;)
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: NecrotechMaster on September 10, 2012, 02:51:24 PM
i think we are still doing good that ~5% of the total articles on the subject have a negative tone

out of the ~110 total articles we are still getting a lot of good media coverage
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Dr Shadow on September 10, 2012, 03:06:26 PM
I guess the question would be how to get mainstream media to pick up the story?
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: TonyV on September 10, 2012, 03:14:03 PM
It's a nice problem to have, though. I'm finding it hard not to repeat myself over and over again. Especially to the naysayers. Thesaurus.com has never seen so much action from me ;)

You and me both, my friend, you and me both.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Khamya9 on September 10, 2012, 05:27:51 PM
Aaron Williams (Nodwick, PS 283, Full Frontal Nerdity) has done a second post on City, specifically covering the rally.
http://www.nodwick.com/?p=3084

I got in a thank you.

-------
@gavin runeblade
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: OCTAGON on September 10, 2012, 07:56:04 PM
It's a nice problem to have, though. I'm finding it hard not to repeat myself over and over again. Especially to the naysayers. Thesaurus.com has never seen so much action from me ;)

Seems wherever I try to talk about it people starts spamming about how "if it was losing money it should die" even though I have clearly stated it wasn't one of the games losing NCSoft money.
Or they'll say stuff like "why kick a dead horse" I know I shouldn't let it get to me but really hate when people are being nasty just for the sake of it. x (
They should just admit that they admire our passion and drive to atleast try and do something instead of just bending over and taking it.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: sterlingwolf on September 10, 2012, 08:22:03 PM
I wouldn't presume to call us media titans or anything more than fans sharing their passions, however, I did share my love for this title and what it meant to my current gaming lifestyle at http://psotter.com. That said, I am trying to do my small part in reaching out to friends that I played with then and current community members to show their support. Best wishes all to keeping something special to us alive!

-Brandon

EDIT- We may be up and down since we are hosted by Go Daddy who is trying to recover from the attack from Anonymous.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Recluse1990 on September 10, 2012, 09:08:29 PM
I've gone to CNN's coverage and thanked them. As I get time to do so, I work down the list as my current activity for the effort. I haven't all the time nor money for the requested mailing method, but I will Wednesday ( yay payday!) I hope to have a mask made by then.

For mainstream efforts, I believe a focus on Twitter, Facebook, and Google + are most efficient way to reach celebrity levels. Once the hash tag is posted by any well known person, our message will spread. Maybe even pick up a few big supporters.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Sophronisba on September 10, 2012, 09:19:32 PM
I'm not sure if this has already been posted, but everyone should vote in Massively's new poll: http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/09/10/leaderboard-fight-for-city-of-heroes-or-let-it-go/#continued
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Recluse1990 on September 10, 2012, 09:25:43 PM
I'm not sure if this has already been posted, but everyone should vote in Massively's new poll: http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/09/10/leaderboard-fight-for-city-of-heroes-or-let-it-go/#continued
Voted.

To the a-hole that dressed up as the hulk in that picture; Remember the issue Marvel and DC had with the game soon after release involving players infringing upon IP rights?
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: emu265 on September 10, 2012, 09:32:33 PM
Voted.

To the a-hole that dressed up as the hulk in that picture; Remember the issue Marvel and DC had with the game soon after release involving players infringing upon IP rights?
Indeed.  I suppose we can't do much about it now though.

Voted as well.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: eabrace on September 10, 2012, 10:04:55 PM
Now on Fark.

http://www.fark.com/comments/7318937

Using the "p" word again, though...
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Blitzwing on September 10, 2012, 10:16:21 PM
Indeed.  I suppose we can't do much about it now though.

Voted as well.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I seem to recall DC doing nothing more than watching the proceedings closely while Marvel was the one who brought out the big guns...from what I remember, DC was simply content to let it go.... 

Man, my search-fu is weak....  :)
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: dwturducken on September 10, 2012, 10:21:05 PM
I know that I have a few characters with toons that a copyright lawyer would want a close look at.  I'm not trottin' 'em out for the media, tho.  I can appreciate people wanting to be out in their "Sunday best" for this, but we should maybe caution anyone we see that they could be hurting the cause.

Unless it gets more publicity, in which case we rotate copyright-infringing costume contests!  ;)
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: dwturducken on September 10, 2012, 10:33:40 PM
Another (http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/09/10/the-daily-grind-would-you-still-play-if-you-had-to-start-over/) one that I didn't see on the spreadsheet.

http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/09/10/the-daily-grind-would-you-still-play-if-you-had-to-start-over/
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: caine6900 on September 10, 2012, 10:45:19 PM
Thanks again TonyV for the great help.  :)
I am trying to get another massive get together of Players again this Saturday on all servers in pocket D (so players from Gold side and attend as well) and as an alt site RWZ. The time and place as as follows All servers for COH not beta we would not have a way to talk with them. At 1 P.M. Eastern Standard Time to 2 P.M. I made this a bit earlier for the folks over seas to be able to get on better with out having to stay up so late.
8)
I have made several posts on FaceBook on the city of heros site and Victory badges.
I hope we can make this as good as last week and I hope that somebody will tweet it as well. I do not have twitter.
Also lets get everybody to join the save COH channel instead of everybody talking in help or LFG and Broadcast all the time.
Thanks!
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Vulpy on September 11, 2012, 02:02:27 AM
Now on Fark.

http://www.fark.com/comments/7318937

Using the "p" word again, though...

I didn't know Ascendant was a farker...

Anyway, fark has a pretty breezy, glib tone. They wouldn't split too many hairs on the "protest"/"rally" distinction. Unless you're on the politics tab and it's the other team--then, it's a gibbering monstrosity of a protest whose very existence threatens to bring about nothing less than the complete destruction of all that we, as good citizens and decent human beings, hold dear. Thankfully, we're not near the politics tab...yet.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: eabrace on September 11, 2012, 02:59:45 PM
http://www.sbwire.com/press-releases/online-mmorpg-city-of-heroes-looks-to-be-closing-its-doors-come-december-reports-gameslikerunescapeme-162966.htm
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: eabrace on September 11, 2012, 04:14:41 PM
http://www.blisteredthumbs.net/2012/09/thumb-wars-episode-8-city-of-heroes-what-was-is-might-be/
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Seregmegilmor on September 11, 2012, 05:04:43 PM
There's been some coverage from a french videogame website, quick translation.

http://www.journaldugamer.com/2012/09/11/city-of-heroes-resiste/comment-page-1/

"At the beginning of the month, NCSOFT announced the end of City of Heroes. After eight years of good and loyal services, these thousands of super heroes will soon disappear. In a great silence, the community rises, hoping to change the course of history.

3000 avatars met up on the plaza to manifest their displeasure. The scene is rare and has been filmed and posted on Youtube. These thousands of players hope that by doing this, they can buy more time for ther servers. Quite unusual, this video is impressive. We wish them for their voices to be heard."
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: emu265 on September 11, 2012, 05:19:19 PM
There's been some coverage from a french videogame website, quick translation.

http://www.journaldugamer.com/2012/09/11/city-of-heroes-resiste/comment-page-1/

"At the beginning of the month, NCSOFT announced the end of City of Heroes. After eight years of good and loyal services, these thousands of super heroes will soon disappear. In a great silence, the community rises, hoping to change the course of history.

3000 avatars met up on the plaza to manifest their displeasure. The scene is rare and has been filmed and posted on Youtube. These thousands of players hope that by doing this, they can buy more time for ther servers. Quite unusual, this video is impressive. We wish them for their voices to be heard."

Very nice.  Thank you for the translation.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on September 11, 2012, 06:12:57 PM
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/09/10/five-thousand-strong-crowd-rallies-to-save-city-of-heroes-kind-of/

Sorry if this is a dupe.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Thistletoe on September 11, 2012, 06:51:52 PM
Feel a little weird posting this as it's sort of self-serving as much as it's useful to the spreadsheet, but I figure the person running the spreadsheet can decide whether these are worthy.

http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/09/11/massively-speaking-episode-215-red-sunset/ (the first 20 minutes are devoted to discussing the sunset and fight to save the game)

http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/09/05/a-mild-mannered-reporter-requiescat-in-pace-city-of-heroes/

http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/09/04/we-want-your-most-creative-city-of-heroes-character/ (collecting stories for an article later)

http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/09/02/the-daily-grind-whats-your-favorite-city-of-heroes-memory/

http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/08/31/paragon-studios-closing-city-of-heroes-to-sunset-before-the-end/ (this was our original news article)

http://skycandy.org/2012/08/ncsoft-slayer-of-games/  (this is my personal blog)


I think you guys already have the rest of our coverage. For what it's worth, Massively has several die-hard CoH fans and active players on staff, including me, so we're covering this from our hearts. In particular, look to Eliot's regular CoH column, which has been running for several years every Wednesday and will continue to do so until the end.

-Bree
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: eabrace on September 11, 2012, 06:54:50 PM
That's awesome.  Thanks for the support and all of the coverage.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: emu265 on September 11, 2012, 07:32:34 PM
Thank you thank you THANK YOU! Massively, you guys are awesome! :)
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: The-Hunter-JLJ on September 11, 2012, 08:23:55 PM
Hi, I'm Bladesnow, and whenever I am in Paragon City I get my news from Massively.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Vulpy on September 11, 2012, 08:40:07 PM
I think you guys already have the rest of our coverage. For what it's worth, Massively has several die-hard CoH fans and active players on staff, including me, so we're covering this from our hearts. In particular, look to Eliot's regular CoH column, which has been running for several years every Wednesday and will continue to do so until the end.

-Bree

Thank you again, Bree. I hope that posting here--an admittedly biased site--doesn't harm your reputation in the gaming journalism community. Please, look out for yourself first. :)
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Mister Bison on September 11, 2012, 09:01:35 PM
More french coverage (not found by myself, I can't be everywhere) here: http://www.gamekult.com/actu/il-faut-sauver-city-of-heroes-A104341.html

Which translates to "City of Heroes must be saved". Content is on the same level (links to two handfuls of articles they wrote to cover the game updates over the years).
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: eabrace on September 12, 2012, 12:19:08 AM
I don't think we've seen this one mentioned yet.

http://tetoros-lair.blogspot.fr/2012/09/le-rassemblement-de-la-communaute.html
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Maressa on September 12, 2012, 12:24:34 AM
I'll get these links posted in the morning when I get up. Right now its 1:30 so I'm goin' to bed!
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Baronesa on September 12, 2012, 12:33:14 AM

I think you guys already have the rest of our coverage. For what it's worth, Massively has several die-hard CoH fans and active players on staff, including me, so we're covering this from our hearts. In particular, look to Eliot's regular CoH column, which has been running for several years every Wednesday and will continue to do so until the end.

-Bree

Those are great articles, Bree.


THANK YOU!

And one of the co leaders here is an OnRPG Journalist (Maressa... hope she don't kick me...)
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Grower on September 12, 2012, 04:57:33 AM
Sorry if this has been mentioned already, but the iReport CNN article has been picked up.

I think hhanks needs some kind words of thanks!

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-840174 (http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-840174)

EDIT: Now I finally see the post down in the forums, so yeah... double post.  But still, needs to be in this thread anyway.

Also.... WOHOOO!!!!!  I literally did a little dance when I saw this.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: eabrace on September 12, 2012, 05:53:49 AM
http://markovia.wgp.org/?p=75
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: emu265 on September 12, 2012, 05:57:53 AM
http://markovia.wgp.org/?p=75
That was good.  Really good.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Maressa on September 12, 2012, 11:02:39 AM
Everything as of this post should be on the spreadsheet. If I'm missing something please send me a private message. Thank you guys for helping me keep the sheet up to date. There is just so much now that I couldn't do it without you.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: jacknomind on September 12, 2012, 12:41:34 PM
Yeah, that (markovia) blog entry was spot-on.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Vulpy on September 12, 2012, 12:50:50 PM
Yeah, that (markovia) blog entry was spot-on.

That'd be a good one to try to push into the Facebook/Twitter-sphere. It's a good explanation of why the game might matter, even to people who don't even play games.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rain Maker on September 12, 2012, 01:53:59 PM
I think that's the best peice on our story that I've read so far. We should publicize it as much as possible (as long as the author is willing).
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on September 12, 2012, 09:03:49 PM
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/09/12/save-city-of-heroes/

This popped up as a 'trending topic' on my RSS feed today. It's more of a mention than a new article, but you may feel it's worth adding to the list.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Cannonfodder on September 12, 2012, 09:26:52 PM
Please add this to the spreadsheet

09/11/2012
HeroMachine.Com
http://www.heromachine.com/2012/09/11/superheroes-battle-to-save-city-of-heroes-once-again/
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Maressa on September 12, 2012, 09:52:44 PM
Please add this to the spreadsheet

09/11/2012
HeroMachine.Com
http://www.heromachine.com/2012/09/11/superheroes-battle-to-save-city-of-heroes-once-again/

Done :)
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on September 13, 2012, 11:12:02 AM
http://justonemoreunlock.blogspot.sg/2012/09/coh-youve-got-fan-mail.html  -> Negative blog guy got a little less negative in response to our comments. Some of you may wish to revisit :)

http://www.evil-comic.com/index.html#blog -> We also get a mention here.

http://everydaygamers.com/2012/09/13/help-save-our-city/
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: The-Hunter-JLJ on September 13, 2012, 12:49:04 PM
Gang, I know most of you have read this, because I see you in the comments. But this Markovia blog is perhaps the most important commentary on the situation I've seen yet.


http://markovia.wgp.org/?p=75#comment-70
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: eabrace on September 14, 2012, 12:09:23 AM
http://www.mmorpg.com/newsroom.cfm/read/25506/City-of-Heroes-Dinners-On-Us.html
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: dwturducken on September 14, 2012, 03:35:31 AM
So, I don't see this one on the spreadsheet. It dropped this afternoon and is way less upbeat than we want to see.  There is a huge WTF in the third paragraph, though.

"The silver lining of all of this is that according to the news Paragon Studios is looking to develop a whole new Superhero MMORPG and it is supposed to be awesome. We shall see."

Is this hope, or are they completely misreading something?


http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/nerdgumbo/news/?a=67173
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: eabrace on September 14, 2012, 05:13:07 AM
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you Scott Kurtz.

http://pvponline.com/archive/news/2012/09/13
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Aggelakis on September 14, 2012, 08:09:48 AM
So, I don't see this one on the spreadsheet. It dropped this afternoon and is way less upbeat than we want to see.  There is a huge WTF in the third paragraph, though.

"The silver lining of all of this is that according to the news Paragon Studios is looking to develop a whole new Superhero MMORPG and it is supposed to be awesome. We shall see."

Is this hope, or are they completely misreading something?
This is the second time someone's said PS is looking to go for a new superhero MMORPG. I am almost 100% certain that they're misreading/misunderstanding the "Super Hero MMORPG before the end of the year" part. It's like they don't even see the first half of the sentence.

For one thing, PS doesn't exist anymore so they CAN'T be looking to develop a new superhero MMORPG. For another thing, LOL NOPE.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: dwturducken on September 14, 2012, 02:19:12 PM
This is the second time someone's said PS is looking to go for a new superhero MMORPG. I am almost 100% certain that they're misreading/misunderstanding the "Super Hero MMORPG before the end of the year" part. It's like they don't even see the first half of the sentence.

For one thing, PS doesn't exist anymore so they CAN'T be looking to develop a new superhero MMORPG. For another thing, LOL NOPE.

They don't exist as an entity, but the people are a talented, passionate bunch who have our support and know it.  Seeing this gave me hope that the people had thought of a way to stay together, at least unofficially.

Then, yeah, I saw that it was submitted by Smacky McNobody who got his/her Bloggery degree from South Holland Institute of Technology.  8)
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Golden Girl on September 14, 2012, 10:57:18 PM
Here's another one:

http://www.gucomics.com/comic/?cdate=20120914
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: marquandDance on September 15, 2012, 12:51:51 PM
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you Scott Kurtz.

http://pvponline.com/archive/news/2012/09/13

It's also on reddit, I suggest liking it for greater exposure.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: CapaDevans on September 15, 2012, 06:58:17 PM
Is it possible to re-Sticky this, please?
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on September 15, 2012, 09:08:56 PM
http://kotaku.com/5943545/dinners-on-us-grateful-fans-say-to-city-of-heroes-developers
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Chaos Ex Machina on September 15, 2012, 11:02:23 PM
That is the second of the emails I sent kotaku quickly acted on!  Wow.

I wonder if the message about 'rally not protest' was worded incorrectly though, because now he has the impression the rally was ONLY to thank them.  Did I lay the point too thick?  What say you?
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: emu265 on September 15, 2012, 11:13:44 PM
That is the second of the emails I sent kotaku quickly acted on!  Wow.

I wonder if the message about 'rally not protest' was worded incorrectly though, because now he has the impression the rally was ONLY to thank them.  Did I lay the point too thick?  What say you?
I think it's okay.  I does a good job of offsetting the rabble-rabble-hate-NCsoft-rabble chatter that's been going on. 
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on September 16, 2012, 03:32:09 PM
http://www.gamerzines.com/mmo/heroes-community-striving-survive.html
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: AlaikaBalta on September 16, 2012, 08:06:41 PM
http://mecha-eng.com/308/
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on September 18, 2012, 08:13:18 AM
http://mobile.theverge.com/gaming/2012/9/16/3342458/city-of-heroes-players-buy-farewell-dinner-for-developers
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Maressa on September 18, 2012, 09:48:24 AM
Hi guys,

Sorry for disappearing on you all, I'm working on our next project. I've created a new list on the same spreadsheet for more current media coverage because that last one was getting a bit out of control. It is up to date with everything from this forum up to this post. Keep those links coming in though!


Thanks
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: CapaDevans on September 18, 2012, 02:44:29 PM
Thank you for keeping that updated; it must be time consuming. It's really great to see how wide the coverage is. :)
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: eabrace on September 18, 2012, 04:00:38 PM
There is a rumor currently floating around via Twitter that CNN mentioned City of Heroes on the air somewhere around 12:30 am Pacific this morning.  I haven't been able to dig up anything concrete, however.  Anyone know anything about this?
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Vulpy on September 18, 2012, 04:09:30 PM
There is a rumor currently floating around via Twitter that CNN mentioned City of Heroes on the air somewhere around 12:30 am Pacific this morning.  I haven't been able to dig up anything concrete, however.  Anyone know anything about this?

A Google search for "site:cnn.com City of Heroes" only turns up the iReports (and a buyer's guide that goes back to 2004). If it was on the air last night, they haven't apparently indexed it on their website yet.

Also, CNN's internal search engine is one hot mess.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: eabrace on September 18, 2012, 04:11:06 PM
Also, CNN's internal search engine is one hot mess.
Amen.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Woodnimph on September 18, 2012, 06:35:59 PM
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on September 18, 2012, 07:02:49 PM
http://waywardsons.keenspot.com/d/20120916.html

Wayward sons love us!
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Vulpy on September 18, 2012, 08:55:00 PM
I'm not sure if anyone has contacted Mashable yet. However, they just posted a piece regardings Gamers raising money to help a fellow gamer. I thought that since this is along similar lines that they may consider picking up this story. I haven't reached out to them personally since I know you guys are trying to coordinate efforts and that there are people here more experienced than I am with regards to the media. So I thought that I would leave their Submit News webpage here if anyone wants to put it to use.

http://mashable.com/submit/

From the little bit you've posted here, you sound like someone who knows where your towel is. As for others being more experienced...

[ihavenoideawhatimdoing.jpg]

If you know the Mashable community, your pitch is, by default, 100 times more effective than mine: you'll know what their style and tone is, and what you have to say to try to win them over. You've also taken the time to include context in your post here, so I know you can handle that, too.

Give it a shot. :) Worst case scenario, they file-13 your submission.

http://waywardsons.keenspot.com/d/20120916.html

Wayward sons love us!

Comment'd. And now I have that song stuck in my head.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: eabrace on September 18, 2012, 08:56:54 PM
Comment'd. And now I have that song stuck in my head.
Don't you cry no more.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Vulpy on September 18, 2012, 08:59:39 PM
Don't you cry no more.

...I just got that out of my head, too.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Knightslayer on September 18, 2012, 09:02:04 PM
...I just got that out of my head, too.
Carry on? =P
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Mr. Wentworth on September 18, 2012, 09:05:47 PM
Don't you cry no more.
!!!guitar solo!!!
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: DrakeGrimm on September 18, 2012, 09:29:13 PM
There'll be peace when you are done...
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: dwturducken on September 18, 2012, 09:43:51 PM
Oddly, I have Queen's "I'm Going Slightly Mad" stuck in my head. Not sure what sort of musical free-association my brain is playing, but there it is.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: srmalloy on September 18, 2012, 10:46:43 PM
Add another one to the spreadsheet; the webcomic Wayward Sons (http://waywardsons.keenspot.com/) on Keenspot has done a PvP Online-inspired comic supporting City of Heroes and asking people to contact NCSoft to ask for its continuance.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Distrupto on September 18, 2012, 11:37:08 PM
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Vulpy on September 19, 2012, 12:46:15 AM
I apologize in advance if this has been posted already, but a Redditor is requesting help.

http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/103il9/save_city_of_heroes/
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Sol Eternal on September 19, 2012, 02:25:23 AM
Triumph had a great vigil tonight. It still lingers.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: P51mus on September 19, 2012, 02:42:45 AM
Brief reference in the latest Erfworld update.

http://www.erfworld.com/2012/09/inner-peace-through-superior-firepower-%e2%80%93-episode-043/

I hate to rain on your parade, but City of Heroes in Erfworld is their version of Heaven.

Granted, the wiki says it might be a reference to the game, and Erfworld references so many things it wouldn't be surprising.  But it's shown up in the comic before.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Thistletoe on September 19, 2012, 02:59:40 PM
Moar posts from the last week:

http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/09/19/a-mild-mannered-reporter-a-personal-tribute-to-paragon-studios/

http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/09/18/massively-speaking-episode-216-the-economy-show/ (podcast, we talk about CoH and NCsoft for about 20 minutes from around 36:00 to 56:00)

http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/09/13/city-of-heroes-fans-buy-paragon-studios-a-meal-and-proclaim-alle/

http://skycandy.org/2012/09/camping-out-in-atlas-33/ (personal blog post discussing comparisons to tabula rasa sunset etc.)

-Bree
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on September 19, 2012, 06:23:01 PM
http://www.theverge.com/gaming/2012/9/19/3357254/city-of-heroes-issuing-refunds-starting-next-week-for-players-with

http://www.coastreportonline.com/views/article_4999bc8a-01f5-11e2-84ea-0019bb2963f4.html <- this one is really, really nice and she deserves lots of lovely comments.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on September 19, 2012, 06:47:45 PM
Also, Adam Warren (Dirty Pair/Gen13/Empowered) tweeted about us!

https://twitter.com/EmpoweredComic/status/248486425849376768
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Icy Pop on September 19, 2012, 11:30:53 PM
Has anyone contacted Wil Wheaton? He has a very active blog and he is a gamer, mostly a board gamer though. I am also not sure if her would have legal problems because he is the voice of Robin in DC Online, I believe.

I am not sure how to contact him, his blog gives info on how to contact but you have to code it and I am not sure how to do that. Also, it makes it sound like he does not check it all the time. I would hate to spam his blog with a comment, that seems disrespectful. Any ideas? Maybe he already knows because of Felicia Day, as they are friends.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Burnt Toast on September 20, 2012, 12:00:54 AM
He is also on twitter :)

Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: dwturducken on September 20, 2012, 01:03:12 PM
This (http://www.coastreportonline.com/views/article_4999bc8a-01f5-11e2-84ea-0019bb2963f4.html) posted yesterday.  It's a college paper, but that's one branch of media I actually hoped we'd see sooner. I'm not getting any traction with my college paper to do a piece, and the "social gaming" club is more interested in Magic the Gathering.

http://www.coastreportonline.com/views/article_4999bc8a-01f5-11e2-84ea-0019bb2963f4.html
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Coolio_Wolfus on September 20, 2012, 03:43:40 PM
http://www.mmorpg.com/blogs/Beatnik59/092012/23911_How-Free-to-Play-Dies-The-Case-of-City-of-Heroes
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on September 20, 2012, 06:33:20 PM
http://www.gameindustry.com/editorial/item.asp?id=632

Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: The-Hunter-JLJ on September 20, 2012, 06:43:42 PM
http://mmofallout.com/2012/09/18/city-of-heroes-details-reimbursement/


Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on September 20, 2012, 07:02:48 PM
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Mr. Wentworth on September 20, 2012, 10:18:45 PM
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: EbonHawk on September 21, 2012, 07:01:58 AM
I threw an e-mail to blogger Bill Harris (Dubious Quality) and he's written a wee piece.
Hopefully that'll get what's going on in front of some new eyes.

http://dubiousquality.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/i-have-fond-memories-of-playing-city-of.html

btw, I thoroughly recommend his blog ;)
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: The-Hunter-JLJ on September 21, 2012, 02:22:47 PM
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Blackgrue on September 21, 2012, 04:15:36 PM
Has anyone tried contacting the people who do Extra Credits? That's not gabe+tycho but it's close, and reaches their audience.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Vulpy on September 21, 2012, 07:42:39 PM
Has anyone tried contacting the people who do Extra Credits? That's not gabe+tycho but it's close, and reaches their audience.

I had a post typed for their forum, but it was eaten by the internet. I was thinking of trying to recreate it tomorrow, once I see what "the next big thing" is: the CoH community deserves a reputation for interfacing with real-world issues, which I think would resonate well with the EC crowd.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Blackgrue on September 22, 2012, 12:43:25 PM
Boo-yah. John "Munchkin" Kovalic (https://twitter.com/muskrat_john/statuses/243753981732585473) is on our side.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: ineffablebob on September 23, 2012, 10:05:08 AM
Has anyone tried contacting the people who do Extra Credits? That's not gabe+tycho but it's close, and reaches their audience.
I sent 'em a PM on their forums a week or so ago, never heard back.

Also, RPS has finally put something up (http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/09/23/the-fight-to-save-city-of-heroes/).
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on September 24, 2012, 09:13:41 AM
http://leperinastrangland.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/tensions-in-city-of-heroes-building.html

This blog made me sad. Although I'm poorly, so I'm a bit sad in general and it might not be a sad as it is in my head :-p
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: The-Hunter-JLJ on September 24, 2012, 01:10:35 PM
You answered it as well as it could possibly be answered. Let it just be noted that whoever got snarky with Mr Phillips in the first place should be ashamed of themselves.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on September 24, 2012, 03:59:53 PM
http://mmofallout.com/2012/09/16/night-cap-save-city-of-heroes-save-ncsoft/

http://nemo0001.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/save-city-of-heroes.html

http://n4g.com/news/1075808/gamers-rally-to-save-city-of-heroes

http://www.gamefront.com/city-of-heroes-players-trying-to-save-the-game/

http://centralnexus.squarespace.com/journal/2012/9/9/save-city-of-heroes-news-savecoh.html

http://www.egmnow.com/digitalnoob/save-city-of-heroes/

http://www.webcomics.com/public-journal/2012/9/11/why-im-trying-to-save-city-of-heroes.html

Handy fact for Titans/lurking NC Soft people: When I type 'Save City of Heroes' into Google, it says there are currently 'About 32,400,000 results'.

..I don't feel so bad for not commenting on ALL of them, now.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: The-Hunter-JLJ on September 24, 2012, 04:25:19 PM
Put quotes around "Save City of Heroes", Rae, that 32 million figure is for individual words. There's only 93,000 mentions of the phrase "Save City of Heroes". You can get to only 93,000... (wink)
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on September 24, 2012, 07:13:25 PM
Well, that's slightly less intimidating. But still a really big number :D
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: The-Hunter-JLJ on September 24, 2012, 07:31:26 PM
Well, that's slightly less intimidating. But still a really big number :D

(laugh) Think of it as a pat on the back. Hmmmn. Lets see... one comment a minute if you write fast... weekends off... would only take about 9 months to hit them all. But, all joking aside, a measurable fraction of those hits are probably on Titan forums and the official forums, where we use the phrase pretty regularly. A lot of them are probably comments that one or another of us have posted. Still quite an achievement to get enough mentions to generate that kind of number in 3 weeks.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Mr. Wentworth on September 24, 2012, 11:11:41 PM
Put quotes around "Save City of Heroes", Rae, that 32 million figure is for individual words. There's only 93,000 mentions of the phrase "Save City of Heroes". You can get to only 93,000... (wink)
...and climbing...97,400 in my browser. We can all feel proud that we have made ourselves heard.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Viridian Surge on September 25, 2012, 10:20:10 AM
Doesn't look like the guys from Penny Arcade have officially commented on the closure of Paragon Studios and City of Heroes, but in one of their forums there has been a steady discussion since 8/31/12.

http://forums.penny-arcade.com/discussion/166278/cox-breaking-city-of-heroes-is-shutting-down-paragon-studios-closed (http://forums.penny-arcade.com/discussion/166278/cox-breaking-city-of-heroes-is-shutting-down-paragon-studios-closed)
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Khelben on September 25, 2012, 10:44:28 AM
My interview with a local reporter went very well i thought. I don't know how far the story will go, but it was a start.  Interestingly enough, they allowed my father, who is a reporter at the local newspaper ( which is how the idea even got through to them!) to do the story.  So it should be a very positive one.  I wrote this to my father as a follow up e-mail, it is sickengly optimistic, so i thought i would share it:


 Our conversation the other night, and your desire to put a faith and values spin on our city of heroes issue, has had me thinking.  What are the ethics of a super hero? What is it that a super hero would value.  For our shared amusement, and if the ideas help at all, I thought i might share these thoughts. 
  Justice, it is a word used mostly as a synonym for punishment in today's rhetoric.  But to a super hero, justice is a live and active thing.  Justice not only brings punishment to the wicked, but it also brings reward to those who would uphold it.  In my mind, justice is the karma of the super hero world.   Those who actively seek the right and the good can and should expect the right and the good be done to them.  Those who actively seek the wrong or the bad can expect the wrong and the bad to return back to them.  The super hero becomes then not an avenging angel exacting punishment, but rather a civil servant.  Fulfilling a role in actively bringing justice to bear.
  Right and wrong become very real issues to a super hero.  We all know that the world is shades of gray, Questions in morality abound, but the super hero must maintain unto themselves a moral code that allows them to pierce the veil of indesicion or uncertainty.  Not that they don't question their ethics, just the opposite.  A super hero must be able to quickly measure an action against morality, determine its standing, whether right or wrong. 
  Fairness is equally important.  A super hero is one who will not fall prey to pettiness or underhandedness.  If for know other reason than it becomes a slippery slope which could undermine there ethical base upon which they must measure their own deeds.  It is very hard to be a morally questionable super hero.
  The belief in goodness is central to being a super hero.  One must believe there is good in people, good in their world, and that it is something worth supporting if one wishes to be a super hero.  This belief i feel is central to what we players are now doing for our game.  I believe there is good here, in the people who play this game, and that protecting that good is worthwhile.  Our game has become a haven for a super hero ethic that many feel is probably outmoded for the real world.  But it can still flourish, and when you find good, you should strive to protect that good.
  Following the belief in goodness is optimism.  The belief in goodness lends itself to the belief that people can always change, and for the better.  The world can always be a better place, if for the hard work of those who believe in that goodness.  We can and should continue to grow and improve, learn and help others.  This is what helps the good flourish and the bad whither. 
 
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: TimtheEnchanter on September 26, 2012, 05:10:00 AM
Massively put us on the radar again... http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/09/25/fan-made-video-promotes-the-movement-to-save-city-of-heroes/#
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: The-Hunter-JLJ on September 26, 2012, 11:26:04 AM
Dude, you're being modest. YOU put us on the radar, Massively is just reporting on your creation. Take a well deserved bow, and thanks for attracting Massively's attention.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Master of Ceremony on September 26, 2012, 12:56:56 PM
News about the player made vid (http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?p=4403457&posted=1#post4403457) on a german web site, which rarley reports about CoX, since the news of doom they have it on there radar again^^

http://www.buffed.de/City-of-Heroes-PC-16703/News/City-of-Heroes-Fan-Video-unterstuetzt-den-Kampf-gegen-das-Ende-des-Superhelden-MMOs-1026746/
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on September 26, 2012, 01:24:38 PM
http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/09/26/a-mild-mannered-reporter-to-save-city-of-heroes-we-must-be-jer/

Another one from massively. Suggesting we should be jerks?  :o
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: eabrace on September 26, 2012, 03:23:59 PM
http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/09/26/a-mild-mannered-reporter-to-save-city-of-heroes-we-must-be-jer/

Another one from massively. Suggesting we should be jerks?  :o
Blocked here at work, so I can't open it to confirm, but I read it before I left home this morning, and the general vibe I got from it was that he's asking if we should be jerks, not telling us we should.  And, still going from memory here, I believe he answers his own question with "it's not time for that yet."
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Profit on September 26, 2012, 03:24:42 PM
Newish EGM article -- http://www.egmnow.com/articles/pc/amazing-fan-made-city-of-heroes-video-rallies-fans-against-closure/

(I didn't see it in the last few pages if it is there, apologies)
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Thistletoe on September 26, 2012, 03:25:30 PM
http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/09/26/a-mild-mannered-reporter-to-save-city-of-heroes-we-must-be-jer/

Another one from massively. Suggesting we should be jerks?  :o

That's just Eliot and his fondness for dramatic titles. He's saying that NCsoft's new email address for campaign letters is taking advantage of our politeness, that we're being ignored now, and that we might be more effective by being more annoying. But ultimately, he concludes that he'd "rather lose our game than taint our legacy."

You guys got that one; over the last week we also had:

http://www.twitch.tv/massivelytv/b/332891570 (Our stream of Positron's Ally event from last Thursday)

http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/09/18/city-of-heroes-reveals-pre-sunset-billing-and-refund-plans/

http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/09/25/fan-made-video-promotes-the-movement-to-save-city-of-heroes/

http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/09/25/massively-speaking-episode-217-shawn-into-the-sunset/ (podcast, we talk about CoH/NCsoft from about 21:30 to 27:00 and 44:00 to 51:00)

Added: http://biobreak.wordpress.com/2012/09/26/save-city-of-heroes-campaign-labors-on/ (from the blog of Justin, who also works for Massively)

-Bree
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Vulpy on September 26, 2012, 03:39:25 PM
That's just Eliot and his fondness for dramatic titles.

Being a mild-mannered reporter leaves so little room to punch things up a bit.

Thanks again for all your support, Bree. And thank Eliot for me, too.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on September 26, 2012, 04:42:55 PM
That's just Eliot and his fondness for dramatic titles. He's saying that NCsoft's new email address for campaign letters is taking advantage of our politeness, that we're being ignored now, and that we might be more effective by being more annoying. But ultimately, he concludes that he'd "rather lose our game than taint our legacy."


I'd actually agree with that (the email address being ignored), that is.  Thanks again for all the support, Bree and Massively.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Dr Shadow on September 26, 2012, 04:52:38 PM
I'd actually agree with that (the email address being ignored), that is.  Thanks again for all the support, Bree and Massively.


Easy to ignore something when it's not causing discomfort.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on September 26, 2012, 05:53:16 PM
http://www.zam.com/story.html?story=30667

Just saw this on ZAM. That video is getting a lot of attention :)
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: GoreckiMike on September 26, 2012, 06:46:33 PM
OK, I have signed the various Petitions and Blogged. Now, where can I Send Money to help the Cause?

I will not let COX go down without a Fight!!!
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: DrakeGrimm on September 26, 2012, 06:47:35 PM
OK, I have signed the various Petitions and Blogged. Now, where can I Send Money to help the Cause?

I will not let COX go down without a Fight!!!

Not sure we have any fundraising going on right now, but you'd want to check in with TonyV on that. Welcome to the fight, brother. Together, we will triumph!
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Daimyoshi on September 26, 2012, 06:54:53 PM
http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/09/26/a-mild-mannered-reporter-to-save-city-of-heroes-we-must-be-jer/

Another one from massively. Suggesting we should be jerks?  :o

I think he say we might being too nice, that we shouldn't so really comply when NCSoft ask us to do stuff.

I think we should war chest for a Print ad in a Seoul newspaper of the MMO Meme for November.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: TimtheEnchanter on September 26, 2012, 08:50:27 PM
Dude, you're being modest. YOU put us on the radar, Massively is just reporting on your creation. Take a well deserved bow, and thanks for attracting Massively's attention.

I surely didn't do that on my own though. I forged a torch of a different color and handed it to the troops, with the simple message of, "Share it wherever you can." Heaven knows where they delivered it.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: DrakeGrimm on September 26, 2012, 08:55:15 PM
I surely didn't do that on my own though. I forged a torch of a different color and handed it to the troops, with the simple message of, "Share it wherever you can." Heaven knows where they delivered it.

While I agree Tim is being modest....this really was a community collaboration. Tim just organized it and put the call out. So once again, mad props to everybody who was involved in the making of the video.


We are heroes. This is what we do.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on September 26, 2012, 09:46:50 PM
http://www.onrpg.com/MMO/City-of-Heroes/review/Metas-Verse-CoH-Community-Sites

Onrpg show us more love.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: ukaserex on September 27, 2012, 01:05:39 AM
http://www.zam.com/story.html?story=30667

Just saw this on ZAM. That video is getting a lot of attention :)

That video was well made, and whoever buys the game from NCSoft should put whoever made it on the payroll to promote the game.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: StarRanger4 on September 27, 2012, 04:13:15 AM
That would be our very own Tim the Enchanter.  in game handle @Disillusion, IIRC
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: TimtheEnchanter on September 27, 2012, 04:54:08 AM
I renamed it recently to streamline everything.

So I'm TimEnchanter IG now.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: ukaserex on September 27, 2012, 11:22:25 PM
Just so long as you can still warn folks of the vicious bunnies in the cave, you can call yourself whatever you wish. :D
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: TimtheEnchanter on September 28, 2012, 02:04:11 AM
Just so long as you can still warn folks of the vicious bunnies in the cave, you can call yourself whatever you wish. :D

I may just let Massively warn us of the bunnies. They catch wind of everything real quick. First to report on the latest SaveCoH breaking news yet again!

"Save CoH movement invites NCsoft execs to play, petition passes 20,000 signatures"

http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/09/27/save-coh-movement-sends-letters-to-ncsoft-executives-petition-p/
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on September 28, 2012, 10:02:48 AM
http://www.insidemacgames.com/news/story.php?ID=21257

Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: dwturducken on September 28, 2012, 01:48:08 PM
This (http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/09/28/the-daily-grind-how-important-is-ip-to-your-mmo/) isn't directly related, but I get the feeling it was inspired by some of the legal discussions here and by what's going on in Sunset.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on September 28, 2012, 02:24:26 PM
http://www.vg247.com/2012/09/28/city-of-heroes-petition-gathers-20000-signatures/
http://www.gamekicker.com/gaming-news/city-of-heroes-petition-gathers-20000-signatures
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Maressa on September 28, 2012, 05:51:42 PM
I've updated the Media Coverage Spreadsheet with everything that has been posted so far and included two more which talk about the dinner and the Extra Life Event which was just announced earlier today:

http://www.onrpg.com/MMO/World-of-Warcraft/news/OnRPG-Shotgun-News-928-TSW-Valve-End-of-Nations-and-Much-More
http://www.onrpg.com/MMO/City-of-Heroes/news/City-of-Heroes-Dev-Dinner-Made-Reality

And a link to the spreadsheet just in case:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjrAo1HdYNiddGFha0dnTzF3OEE2Nm4wUlRwSWlMRmc
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on September 28, 2012, 06:22:14 PM
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/09/27/an-eventful-ending-city-of-heroes/

One more

And I noticed this one wasn't on the spreadsheet .

 http://www.starburstmagazine.com/gaming-news/3386-gaming-news-gamers-rally-to-save-city-of-heroes
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on September 29, 2012, 04:10:14 PM
www.computerandvideogames.com/370557/fans-try-to-save-city-of-heroes-with-petition/
www.games.on.net/2012/09/city-of-heroes-petition-accrues-20000-signatures/

And a little ray of sunshine from cinema blend :

 http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Save-City-Heroes-Petition-Reaches-20-000-Signatures-Doomed-Regardless-47515.html
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: dwturducken on September 29, 2012, 06:44:34 PM
I hope "little ray of sunshine" was meant to be sarcastic...
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on September 29, 2012, 10:58:22 PM
I hope "little ray of sunshine" was meant to be sarcastic...

Oh my,  yes.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on September 30, 2012, 02:49:37 PM
http://tobolds.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/not-quite-super-heroic.html

Snarky blogger alert.

Are bloggers usually this snarky and I just haven't noticed?
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Vulpy on September 30, 2012, 03:18:56 PM
Are bloggers usually this snarky and I just haven't noticed?

Without speaking to the content of any one blog... People love to run things down on the internet. It's rare to see positivity, like the kind we're putting on display, showcased at all. I was just commenting to a friend the other day that Metal Gear Solid 2's prediction--that the internet would devolve into a group of closed communities that only cast their offal back into the larger forums--was downright prescient.

This, of course, makes it twice as important that we maintain a positive public face at all times--even here, because it's the internet and people can follow us home.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: TonyV on September 30, 2012, 03:36:07 PM
It's rare to see positivity, like the kind we're putting on display, showcased at all.

I'm not to worried about these kinds of posts.  It's human nature to want to be on the winning team.  The odds are stacked against us, and they don't want to bet on the long shot.  On August 31, it seemed impossible to do what we're trying to do.  Sitting around and saying, "Yeah, the game is doomed," is easy because then on December 1, they can sit around and say, "See?  I told you so," and they think they look really smart.  Even if we're successful, they'll sit around and say, "Even though I said I thought it was doomoed, I was hoping that they'd save it, so that makes me kind of right in a way."

The thing is, nobody will remember them.  When was the last time you read an article about something shutting down and a scrappy group of people saying, "Yeah, it's over with," and being right about it, yay them?  Whether we win or lose, one thing I can guarantee you is that that blog post will have long since faded into obscurity and no one will remember it.  The people who are standing with us, who are working hard to save the game, they will be the ones who people remember.  This blog post (http://thorsassassin.com/2012/09/28/paragon-community-dinner-and-hope/), for example, will be remembered for years.  This video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pC3tseY-ic0) is eternal.

So hey, if people want to write about how doomed we are, more power to them.  It just makes our fight that much more important, and makes victory that much sweeter.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on September 30, 2012, 04:44:13 PM
Sheesh, Tony. You had me at 'I'm' ;)
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: dwturducken on September 30, 2012, 04:57:59 PM
In some cases, negativity is expected. I can't hunt through the videos, right now, because I'm supposed to be working, but, in one of his early videos, "Yahtzee" Croshaw actually liked a game. The fan backlash was whiny and swift, apparently.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Vulpy on September 30, 2012, 05:19:50 PM
In some cases, negativity is expected. I can't hunt through the videos, right now, because I'm supposed to be working, but, in one of his early videos, "Yahtzee" Croshaw actually liked a game. The fan backlash was whiny and swift, apparently.

That was the Bioshock review, as I recall. But, yes, it's de rigueur for the internet to be negative. Which is unfortunate: criticism and negativity have their place, but so do praise and positivity. We could probably do with more of the last two and less of the first two. It seems to me that we're often in such a hurry to prove ourselves right (and therefore smart or clever) that we lose sight of what's more important: saying something meaningful and having a positive impact.

In other words, I watch both Yahtzee's video and the Extra Credits video each week to try to maintain balance. :)
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: dwturducken on September 30, 2012, 05:41:52 PM
I don't usually need balance.  The more negative Yahtzee goes, the better the game tends to be, except in the case of DCUO. :)

Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: emu265 on September 30, 2012, 07:36:56 PM
I don't usually need balance.  The more negative Yahtzee goes, the better the game tends to be, except in the case of DCUO. :)
Yeah, I remember his review of Super Smash Bros. Brawl.  People actually took it upon themselves to complain about it being too negative.  I for one thought it was great, and I love SSBB >.>

Well, he made an exception for Portal.  But still.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: DrakeGrimm on October 01, 2012, 01:15:01 AM
Yeah, I remember his review of Super Smash Bros. Brawl.  People actually took it upon themselves to complain about it being too negative.  I for one thought it was great, and I love SSBB >.>

Well, he made an exception for Portal.  But still.

...everyone makes an exception for Portal, damn it.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: TimtheEnchanter on October 01, 2012, 09:43:29 AM
Well... it's about the game, but... *facepalm*

http://penny-arcade.com/comic

I think we should let the Villains deal with this one.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Quinch on October 01, 2012, 09:52:08 AM
On account of Yahtzee, I pretty much watch him for entertainment value, not information.

As for the Penny Arcade comic... I don't get it, which is kind of expected. This isn't butthurt talking - half the time I don't get the punchlines, and half of what's left isn't funny. But all things considered, it's publicity, so overall a plus.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Knightslayer on October 01, 2012, 10:07:30 AM
On account of Yahtzee, I pretty much watch him for entertainment value, not information.

As for the Penny Arcade comic... I don't get it, which is kind of expected. This isn't butthurt talking - half the time I don't get the punchlines, and half of what's left isn't funny. But all things considered, it's publicity, so overall a plus.
Yep, they lost me with the gyro thing too.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Osborn on October 01, 2012, 10:16:04 AM
Yep, they lost me with the gyro thing too.

Despite the employees there in my local Euro Gyro messing up the pronunciation and calling it 'Jairo', the correct pronunciation for Gyro is 'Yee-rroh' with a rolling R sound similar to the double R in Spanish. If said without the rolling R, it sounds rhymes with 'hero' and sounds very similar to the word 'Euro'.

That's the joke, why in City of Heroes the gyro place is called City of Gyros, and the joke for this comic.

I'm not to worried about these kinds of posts.  It's human nature to want to be on the winning team.  The odds are stacked against us, and they don't want to bet on the long shot.  On August 31, it seemed impossible to do what we're trying to do.  Sitting around and saying, "Yeah, the game is doomed," is easy because then on December 1, they can sit around and say, "See?  I told you so," and they think they look really smart.  Even if we're successful, they'll sit around and say, "Even though I said I thought it was doomoed, I was hoping that they'd save it, so that makes me kind of right in a way."

The thing is, nobody will remember them.  When was the last time you read an article about something shutting down and a scrappy group of people saying, "Yeah, it's over with," and being right about it, yay them?  Whether we win or lose, one thing I can guarantee you is that that blog post will have long since faded into obscurity and no one will remember it.  The people who are standing with us, who are working hard to save the game, they will be the ones who people remember.  This blog post (http://thorsassassin.com/2012/09/28/paragon-community-dinner-and-hope/), for example, will be remembered for years.  This video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pC3tseY-ic0) is eternal.

So hey, if people want to write about how doomed we are, more power to them.  It just makes our fight that much more important, and makes victory that much sweeter.

I don't even think so much it's people wanting to be on the winning side, so much as that it's much easier to be negative and despite it being the year 2012 and not 1992 gamers, at least those that play more than Farmville or Angry Birds, are still an 'acceptable target' to bash for a quick laugh.

It's so much easier to go "Lol, look at this entitled whiny virgin brats living in their mother's basements complaining about a game they were too cheap to spend money to save". Does any of it have to be true? Nope, but that's the nature of 'acceptable targets'.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Knightslayer on October 01, 2012, 10:21:21 AM
Despite the employees there in my local Euro Gyro messing up the pronunciation and calling it 'Jairo', the correct pronunciation for Gyro is 'Yee-rroh' with a rolling R sound similar to the double R in Spanish. If said without the rolling R, it sounds rhymes with 'hero' and sounds very similar to the word 'Euro'.

That's the joke, why in City of Heroes the gyro place is called City of Gyros, and the joke for this comic.
Ohhhh! Thanks, that makes a lot more sense!
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Minotaur on October 01, 2012, 11:50:35 AM
Oh I assumed the Gyros thing was from the German where Gyros was what we in England call a doner kebab (not sure what it's called in the US large lump of minced lamb cooked on an upright spit and cut in strips into a pita bread), and that's pronounced "GOUros".
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on October 01, 2012, 12:02:59 PM
I think if something needs this much explaining, it's fine if I don't get it. :D
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: eabrace on October 01, 2012, 04:21:19 PM
Knowing people who grew up in Greek families, it wasn't until I saw the posts in this thread that I remembered some people mispronounce it.  :)
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: TimtheEnchanter on October 01, 2012, 06:13:46 PM
Oh I assumed the Gyros thing was from the German where Gyros was what we in England call a doner kebab (not sure what it's called in the US large lump of minced lamb cooked on an upright spit and cut in strips into a pita bread), and that's pronounced "GOUros".

A Stromboli with lamb? That's what I'm envisioning based on that anyhow.

Anyway, what 's really irking me, is that considering that the joke seems lost on pretty much everyone, all that is left is to assume CoH IS the joke.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: DrakeGrimm on October 01, 2012, 06:15:08 PM
A Stromboli with lamb? That's what I'm envisioning based on that anyhow.

Anyway, what 's really irking me, is that considering that the joke seems lost on pretty much everyone, all that is left is to assume CoH IS the joke.

..um. I got the joke. A lot of other people will also get the joke. >.>;
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: TimtheEnchanter on October 01, 2012, 06:34:08 PM
Hm, another possibility, maybe they're actually ribbing on the folks who are apathetic and telling us to just get over it. Kid goes into rage mode thinking his life is being taken away, but then when it turns out he read it wrong, he's, "Oh. Ok no problem then." Maybe I'm reading too much into it. But it's hard to believe the real point is about mispronunciation.

Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: DrakeGrimm on October 01, 2012, 06:38:30 PM
Well, most of the PA strips in recent years have been largely one-shot "cheap" jokes. (note, that doesn't mean I don't APPROVE, just that there's less 'meat' to the strip itself)

Most of the "meat and potatoes" comes whenever Tycho's news post finally goes up, which is usually mid to late afternoon or early evening, my time.(Central)
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: eabrace on October 01, 2012, 06:41:10 PM
A Stromboli with lamb? That's what I'm envisioning based on that anyhow.
Sort of like a lamb wrap where the wrap is pita bread rather than tortilla.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyro_%28food%29

Man, that picture is making me really hungry...
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Vulpy on October 01, 2012, 06:45:01 PM
Hm, another possibility, maybe they're actually ribbing on the folks who are apathetic and telling us to just get over it. Kid goes into rage mode thinking his life is being taken away, but then when it turns out he read it wrong, he's, "Oh. Ok no problem then." Maybe I'm reading too much into it. But it's hard to believe the real point is about mispronunciation.

I think the point may be about the internet community at large being slow to "buy in" to our cause. It doesn't affect them, so they immediately become apathetic. Which is human nature, but it is also working against us here. But I also subscribe to the "death of the author" theory: my interpretation is as valid as the creator's, from my perspective.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: eabrace on October 01, 2012, 06:52:11 PM
It'll probably be easier to see where they were going with the gag when the News post is updated.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on October 01, 2012, 06:54:58 PM
http://uk.pc.gamespy.com/pc/city-of-heroes/1226243p1.html

And

http://www.gamenguide.com/articles/3563/20121001/city-heroes-shutting-down-last-events-mmorpg-final-day-nc-soft.htm

Nothing new, though.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: eabrace on October 01, 2012, 07:19:17 PM
PA news post is up.

http://penny-arcade.com/2012/10/01/gyroism
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Minotaur on October 01, 2012, 09:49:38 PM
http://uk.pc.gamespy.com/pc/city-of-heroes/1226243p1.html

And

http://www.gamenguide.com/articles/3563/20121001/city-heroes-shutting-down-last-events-mmorpg-final-day-nc-soft.htm

Nothing new, though.

Quality journalism in the Gamenguide article:
Quote
Cryptic Studios, the developers behind City of Heroes have at least organized several events for the community to participate in before the end of the game.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Golden Girl on October 02, 2012, 04:53:23 PM
It's the logo still on the log in screen, probably :P
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Knightslayer on October 03, 2012, 01:13:57 PM
Articles on the recent announcement (and on our cause).

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/119921-NCSoft-City-of-Heroes-Cant-Be-Saved

http://www.vg247.com/2012/10/02/city-of-heroes-hopes-quashed-by-ncsoft/
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on October 03, 2012, 04:23:57 PM
http://www.examiner.com/article/ncsoft-issues-official-city-of-heroes-response

Examiner calls shenanigans :)
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: dwturducken on October 03, 2012, 04:34:43 PM
I don't read it as them calling shenanigans, so much as they say we are. I actually take that as a validation, and just a positive a sign as if they were questioning the NCSoft response themselves.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on October 03, 2012, 05:22:48 PM
It was certainly nice to see a counter argument, rather than just a copy/paste of the press release :)
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Knightslayer on October 03, 2012, 06:27:29 PM
It was certainly nice to see a counter argument, rather than just a copy/paste of the press release :)
Yep, made even nicer by the addition of those links!
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Frostyfrozen on October 04, 2012, 02:17:58 AM
ahh sent word to George Stroumboulopoulos of CBC's Tonight.
With a link to the http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-840174 article.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on October 04, 2012, 04:05:06 PM
http://adingworld.wordpress.com/2012/09/08/ncsoft-is-not-evil/  - Blogger

AND:

YAY, crazy people!

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=82514

Edit: The second link is a parody site.  The post was made in jest!  It's intended to sound crazy, so please don't go over there posting how dumb it sounds--that's the point, to be satirically humorous!  --TonyV
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: dwturducken on October 04, 2012, 04:09:04 PM
Actually, Landover Baptist is one of my favorite sites. It's whole point is to prove a law that forget the name of, off the top of my head, but it essentially exists to prove that, without some visual indicator (like a winky emoticon), sarcasm or hyperbole are indistinguishable from what you're trying to make fun of.  The entire site is one big joke, and the best part is that it's taken seriously be a good portion of the sites and people it mocks.

EDIT: Four response down, the original poster calls GW2 NCSoft's "furry-fetish flagship!" I almost shot coffee out my nose!
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on October 04, 2012, 06:56:17 PM
http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/10/02/ncsoft-crushes-the-hopes-of-city-of-heroes-fans/

@Turducken - I know. I giggled myself stupid at some of the responses. So funny.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Razzle_Lee on October 04, 2012, 10:38:44 PM
Awesome post from Erin Palette


http://lurkingrhythmically.blogspot.com/2012/10/an-update-on-city-of-heroes.html#disqus_thread
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: dwturducken on October 04, 2012, 10:56:24 PM
This one doesn't pertain to us, directly, but to gamers in general.  I post it here, not to go on the list, but as a perspective on what people say about gamers.

http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/ingame/republicans-out-democrat-world-warcraft-witch-hunt-6283586
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: eabrace on October 04, 2012, 11:09:22 PM
I wish my representatives were gamers.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: dwturducken on October 04, 2012, 11:17:51 PM
Polite Throat-Clearing To Action: Like Lachowicz!

https://www.facebook.com/colleenforsenate

Not saying vote for her.  Not saying donate to her campaign. A "Like" on her Facebook page is a vote against gamer-discrimination!
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Vulpy on October 04, 2012, 11:18:20 PM
Actually, Landover Baptist is one of my favorite sites. It's whole point is to prove a law that forget the name of, off the top of my head, but it essentially exists to prove that, without some visual indicator (like a winky emoticon), sarcasm or hyperbole are indistinguishable from what you're trying to make fun of.  The entire site is one big joke, and the best part is that it's taken seriously be a good portion of the sites and people it mocks.

Poe's Law (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PoesLaw)? Try to prove Poe's Law wrong. Go ahead.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: eabrace on October 04, 2012, 11:22:05 PM
Poe's Law (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PoesLaw)? Try to prove Poe's Law wrong. Go ahead.
Preposterous!  No, wait...  ???
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Terwyn on October 05, 2012, 05:14:19 AM
I'm writing an article to be submitted to the business and/or technology editors of the Toronto Star, as it is the most widely-read newspaper in Canada. There's also a bit of a whimsical choice for submitting to this newspaper - it was formerly the Toronto Daily Star, made famous as the real-world inspiration for the most famous fictional newspaper - the Daily Planet.

There are a few things that I am going to touch on - the community surrounding the game and its ability to strengthen the lives of individuals such as myself, the simple economic reality that 80 well-loved people have suddenly lost their jobs for what appears to be nearly no reason, and most importantly, the fact that there is nothing quite like the current efforts in the history of gaming... or in business, for that matter.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on October 05, 2012, 07:35:36 PM
http://lorehound.com/news/ncsoft-dashes-city-of-heroes-resurrection-hopes/

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/3/view/news/read/25688/City-of-Heroes-NCSoft-Responds-to-Save-CoH-Movement.html

ARGH WHY AREN'T PEOPLE COMING TO US FOR COMMENT SO CROSS ARGHARGHARGH etc.,
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Knightslayer on October 05, 2012, 07:52:15 PM
http://lorehound.com/news/ncsoft-dashes-city-of-heroes-resurrection-hopes/

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/3/view/news/read/25688/City-of-Heroes-NCSoft-Responds-to-Save-CoH-Movement.html

ARGH WHY AREN'T PEOPLE COMING TO US FOR COMMENT SO CROSS ARGHARGHARGH etc.,
I think it might be a good idea to post on their forums about it, if you read the comments on the MMORPG article there are a lot of people there that are sympathetic to our cause.
I tried to reply with links, but apparently the site will have none of that >.<
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on October 05, 2012, 08:15:42 PM
..sorry. I'm a journalist by trade, and the idea of running with just one side of the story is just unimaginable to me. Is that just a UK thing?
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Knightslayer on October 05, 2012, 08:18:53 PM
Because who is your official spokes person to talk to?

The most important thing here is to make sure that *everyone* is on exactly the same page. If one of the saveCOH people says something that doesn't match up to the general theme, you all get tainted by it.
I'd say Tony, but of course they wouldn't know that unless they've been closely following the action.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on October 05, 2012, 08:21:24 PM
Or Maressa. I think she's rather adept at dealing with the press :)
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Knightslayer on October 05, 2012, 08:23:05 PM
Or Maressa. I think she's rather adept at dealing with the press :)
Either would be a good fit, yes.  ;D
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Knightslayer on October 05, 2012, 08:35:06 PM
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/5339509/thread/366605#5339509

I posted a little something on their forums.
Most likely the usual "Just let die already!" crowd will respond to it, but hopefully it'll also be noticed by those who actually support us.

Edit: Okay... that was entirely pointless, I thought they deleted the topic, but instead it got moved to a "Paragon City Hall" forum, which isn't even connected to the main forums as far as I can tell. (so it's buried instead of deleted =/)
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Patribot on October 05, 2012, 09:16:00 PM
Don't know that this would be under the catagory "Thanking the media" but I wasn't sure where else to post this.

Gamenguide posted NCSoft's press release/reply to the community's efforts:
http://www.gamenguide.com/articles/3636/20121005/city-heroes-shutting-down-ncsofts-official-statement-save-coh-movement.htm#qdvtwDYwCACIdSeh.99

In the comments I mentioned that the sentence "We've exhausted all options including the selling of the studio and the rights to the City of Heroes intellectual property, but in the end, efforts to do so were not successful." was inaccurate and posted a link to Tony's response to NCSoft's press release.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: StarRanger4 on October 05, 2012, 11:56:11 PM
..sorry. I'm a journalist by trade, and the idea of running with just one side of the story is just unimaginable to me. Is that just a UK thing?

mabye.  Then again, a lot of news stories do include the observation "We attempted to contact X to obtain their side of the story, but they have refused".  That would be the tactful observation.  Especially when we've all wondered WTF are they thinking, but their corporate culture is apparently "we are monolithic.  we shall entertain no other option than what we have decided.  Even if it means making ourselves look worse"
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on October 07, 2012, 10:09:59 AM
Addicting went for ncsofts jugular http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/10/06/corps-shut-down-family-friendly-products/
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on October 07, 2012, 04:02:12 PM
Oops, didn't see that. Brilliant angle :)
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Mantic on October 08, 2012, 05:02:50 PM
I cannot think of a single article that has done this, and a fair chunk if not mostly all of the coverage has come from US websites.

With the internet I guess there is no journalistic standard. But it seems that this is becoming common in the more mainstream news media as well. I have caught a few conversations among journalist types about the rush to get stories out immediately since everything has gone digital and real-time, but it seems sloppy when things don't need to be pushed out right this very moment.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Patribot on October 08, 2012, 06:42:23 PM
The guys over at the Virgin Worlds Podcast did a fairly long piece on the closing of CoH and our efforts to keep it going. You can give it a listen (It's about 1/3 of the way through episode #149) and leave a comment here: http://virginworlds.com/podcast.php?show=1&ep=149
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on October 08, 2012, 06:55:17 PM
With the internet I guess there is no journalistic standard. But it seems that this is becoming common in the more mainstream news media as well. I have caught a few conversations among journalist types about the rush to get stories out immediately since everything has gone digital and real-time, but it seems sloppy when things don't need to be pushed out right this very moment.

I think ..um..dealspawn? Had a comment from NC Soft that basically said: "There is no-one here to comment on City of  Heroes."

Ah. Found it. http://www.dealspwn.com/neil-gaiman-john-wright-john-kovalic-mercedes-lackey-support-save-city-heroes-campaign-113562
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on October 09, 2012, 03:30:47 PM
http://lorehound.com/news/savecoh-campaign-continues-responds-to-ncsofts-claims/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+LoreHound+%28Lore+Hound%29

I can't get this article to load, but it just turned up on my Twitter feed.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Segev on October 09, 2012, 03:53:07 PM
http://lorehound.com/news/savecoh-campaign-continues-responds-to-ncsofts-claims/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+LoreHound+%28Lore+Hound%29

I can't get this article to load, but it just turned up on my Twitter feed.
It's a blog post about our continued efforts, and a reprint (with a few alterations to the header-lines such as replacing my email address with "For Immediate Release") of our press release announcing Media Day! Thank you to whoever sent it to LoreHound. (That might've been you, rae, if my memory serves.) Here's hoping they might take us up on it. ^_^_v

edit: It also includes, in the original-post bit written by Lorehound's author, a specific mention of the Game-A-Thon and a statement that Lorehound is also participating. I don't know if they were already doing so, or if they've recently joined up, but either way, awesome!
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on October 09, 2012, 03:54:58 PM
Hurray! I've been useful! Here's hoping other sites follow suit.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Knightslayer on October 09, 2012, 06:57:27 PM
Sweet! Shared and liked it on FB!  ;D
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on October 10, 2012, 10:08:40 AM
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Knightslayer on October 10, 2012, 10:22:11 AM
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Quinch on October 10, 2012, 10:32:30 AM
I posted a comment, though it hasn't appeared yet {also, their spambot protection doesn't like Seamonkey}.

"There's a lot of things a lot of people with a stake in what happens to CoH are willing to buy, but that line is not one of them."
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on October 10, 2012, 10:36:10 AM
Well.

*huff*

I've also put the same questions to H+K for an article I'm trying to place, but they haven't even acknowledged the response. I'll start asking them on Twitter, soon, so all their clients can see they ignore press inquiries :-p

Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: dwturducken on October 10, 2012, 11:53:43 AM
OK, I'm not saying that we should discriminate against any site or blogger, because we want as much attention as possible on this, but I'm going to start measuring my response according to the analytics of the site.  I've installed the Alexa and Google toolbars and will be looking at the traffic numbers. The length and depth of my response will be proportional to their traffic.

This guy, for instance, has no US ranking, but is evidently big in Greece. Well, no one there has any money, anyway.

In all seriousness, this guy is out there, so he'll show up in a CoH news search, but I can find nothing on this guy outside of his own website.  Despite his lofty mission statement, it's clear that his effort is proportional to his readership.  Your response was far better written than his story, which is not as backhanded a compliment as it sounds. :)
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on October 10, 2012, 11:57:24 AM
You response was far better written than his story, which is not as backhanded a compliment as it sounds. :)

Aw shucks.

Good idea on the readership, though. Might have a go at installing those toolbars myself.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: dwturducken on October 10, 2012, 12:14:07 PM
I can't actually install the Google toolbar on my laptop, because it's still running XP, so I can't run the latest and greatest versions of the browsers, but it's on my desktop.  I was being quasi-facetious, but it's always been in the back of my mind as we're posting and reading new news pieces.  We're finding them because we're looking for them, but, aside from it being on the internet and, therefore, "out there," what are the odds Average Joe Internet User is going to read it?

That said, we're finding them, so we're affecting those analytics, so we should still be responding and thanking these folks.  I have to get moving, so this guy will have to wait until my bus ride to class. :)
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Segev on October 10, 2012, 12:25:12 PM
Also, that blog has a weird way of detecting spam bots. It said I was one or that I didn't have cookies enabled on my browser, and since neither are true, I suspect his filters are set poorly.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: dwturducken on October 10, 2012, 01:00:36 PM
Now, there's a clever way of suppressing dissent. ;)
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Omali on October 10, 2012, 05:56:36 PM
Also, that blog has a weird way of detecting spam bots. It said I was one or that I didn't have cookies enabled on my browser, and since neither are true, I suspect his filters are set poorly.

The comment system should be working a little better now. I've removed Bad Behavior and replaced it with Akismet working full time. The comments may be held for moderation, which is also something I'm working the kinks out of.

As for NCSoft, suffice to say we are not on speaking term, and generally when I contact them with questions my NCSoft account becomes mysteriously disabled for suspected account theft. I've written so many op-eds about NCSoft's poor public relations, unwillingness to try and work with their developers, and waning support in the Western markets over the years that I often presume that my personal stance is already well established.

And for not contacting the SaveCOH campaign, well I'll readily admit my oversights. That and I've been somewhat busy prepping for New York Comic Con. So my ears are open, and not just because your friends at Write No Evil contacted me this morning.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Segev on October 10, 2012, 06:07:01 PM
Glad you're getting the problem(s) fixed, and sorry to hear about your troubles with NCSoft in the past. I will get a comment posted with some links later this evening. Have fun at ComicCon! I do suggest you check out the stickied thread here regarding events on Oct. 20; while you'll be busy, I think that TonyV is planning something for that date at the ComicCon in NY...
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Arctic Force. on October 10, 2012, 06:57:06 PM
I just found this didn't see it posted yet

http://www.play.tm/news/35729/ncsoft-city-of-heroes-is-unsaveable/
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Thistletoe on October 11, 2012, 07:29:12 PM
More stuff from us in the past few weeks:

http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/10/10/a-mild-mannered-reporter-no-hope-for-coh-no-faltering-for-us/
http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/10/05/ten-things-to-do-in-city-of-heroes-before-its-gone/
http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/10/03/a-mild-mannered-reporter-remembering-my-time-in-city-of-heroes/
http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/10/09/massively-speaking-episode-219-kickstart-this/ (podcast, covers NCsoft's announcement from about 27:30 - 35:30)

-Bree
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on October 11, 2012, 07:43:56 PM
I adore Massively. <3
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Viridian Surge on October 12, 2012, 04:11:10 AM
Here's a website discussing the Shutdown of Paragon Studios and City of Heroes, that I came across. (First posting on Aug. 31. 2010. Last post Oct. 6, 2012) :

f13.net forums http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=22559.0 (http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=22559.0)
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Patribot on October 14, 2012, 03:33:03 AM
The nice folks over at the "One Life Left" Podcast were nice enough to basically use my email as a news story, play "I Want My City Back", linked to SaveCoH.com and said they support our efforts to save the game. Our coverage is at about the 35:40 mark of episode #181:  http://onelifeleft.libsyn.com/one-life-left-s08e11-181-citizenship-test

I didn't see a way to leave comments, but I'm sure you could drop them an email like I did to get their attention in the first place.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Patribot on October 14, 2012, 04:07:23 AM
Oh, and the "DCUO Show" briefly talked about the SaveCoH efforts on thier show, played "I Want My City Back" anf linked to both the sites and the song. I think it's really cool that we got support from people that are Uber-fans of one of CoH's rivals.

The coverage, what there is of it, comes at the 40:30 mark. And, while they don't say anything "blue" during our story, be warned that the entire episode is not as "work friendly". Here's the link: http://provengamer.com/2012/10/11/the-dcuo-show-issue-40/
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on October 14, 2012, 06:30:33 PM
http://interact.stltoday.com/pr/arts-entertainment/PR101312011310681
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: TimtheEnchanter on October 14, 2012, 06:40:41 PM
Oh, and the "DCUO Show" briefly talked about the SaveCoH efforts on thier show, played "I Want My City Back" anf linked to both the sites and the song. I think it's really cool that we got support from people that are Uber-fans of one of CoH's rivals.

Wow, really? I'm very surprised, as I've been hearing that DCUO doesn't have an atmosphere anything like the CoH community. That's not a place I expected support from.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Omali on October 15, 2012, 12:31:07 AM
http://mmofallout.com/2012/10/14/ncsoft-ignored-potential-buyers-says-report/

I wrote a followup, on the Addicting Info article about the two anonymous investors that were turned down without even being considered by NCSoft. Hopefully whoever is sending people to comment on my previous article via Facebook will see it.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on October 15, 2012, 08:21:00 AM
The article is doing the rounds on the FB groups I'm in. I was just coming here to add it to the list.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on October 16, 2012, 07:21:11 PM
http://www.angryjoeshow.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&p=4794

http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/10/16/the-soapbox-no-game-lives-forever/
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rotten Luck on October 17, 2012, 08:23:27 AM
http://www.angryjoeshow.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&p=4794

http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/10/16/the-soapbox-no-game-lives-forever/

I been found out!   Yes it's me posting on the Angry Joe Show.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Knightslayer on October 17, 2012, 12:11:56 PM
I been found out!   Yes it's me posting on the Angry Joe Show.
Go Joe, err Rotten! Fight for our Freedom over land and air! (which sounds very fitting for CoH  :P)
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rotten Luck on October 17, 2012, 12:15:32 PM
Lol well I'm not Angry Joe.  But I did send a message to him inviting him to the Media Day event.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Segev on October 17, 2012, 12:46:18 PM
Here's hoping we get some response for that event! ^_^_x
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on October 17, 2012, 07:26:32 PM
http://i.massively.joystiq.com/2012/10/17/a-mild-mannered-reporter-the-unseen-cost-of-closing-city-of-her/
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Knightslayer on October 18, 2012, 11:04:34 AM
http://i.massively.joystiq.com/2012/10/17/a-mild-mannered-reporter-the-unseen-cost-of-closing-city-of-her/
A very nice article that echoes my sentiments exactly... =/
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: emu265 on October 18, 2012, 03:50:39 PM
A very nice article that echoes my sentiments exactly... =/
Same... makes me sad all over again :(
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on October 18, 2012, 05:08:57 PM
http://www.gamerzines.com/mmo/rumour-multiple-buyers-interested.html

Featuring the one, the only..TonyV!
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: emu265 on October 18, 2012, 08:27:42 PM
http://www.gamerzines.com/mmo/rumour-multiple-buyers-interested.html

Featuring the one, the only..TonyV!
That's a good one, too.  I think we need more of the NCsoft-won't-listen type of coverage, because that's where all this can hurt them the most (at least for the moment being).
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Knightslayer on October 19, 2012, 07:51:53 AM
http://www.gamerzines.com/mmo/rumour-multiple-buyers-interested.html

Featuring the one, the only..TonyV!
*starts chanting "Tony! Tony! Tony!" a la Jerry Springer!*  :P
Nice article btw!
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Vulpy on October 19, 2012, 11:08:33 AM
That's a good one, too.  I think we need more of the NCsoft-won't-listen type of coverage, because that's where all this can hurt them the most (at least for the moment being).

That's why I'm trying to engage people in conversation on the comments over there. This would be a good one to direct traffic through.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: lastword on October 21, 2012, 06:48:00 PM
I have not read all the replies to this post so forgive me if someone else has suggested this. I have been playing COH for 6 years. Between I and my girl friend we have paid for 4 copies of the game that will no longer be useable. Two of my copies are DVD additions, plus I bought COV and going Rouge. I will be out well over $400 after you factor in booster packs. I am suggesting bringing a civil action against NC soft for damages and seek a complete refund of all moneys spent in the purchase of the game and its add-ons. If this is gone as a class action meaning we need more than 12 other people to do this as a group. We can make it so costly for them to not give up the server software that they will give it up just to make us go away.
 I have a good understanding of the law and we do have legal standing to bring the action. They have sold over 300k copies (an educated guess) of the game, at this number and it might be much higher. It could cost them over 10.5 mil if they lost or had to settle the case.
 I know someone is going to say. There is no guaranty that any game will stay open and I say under US commercial code you cannot sell a product and then render the product unusable without consequences.   There was a general understanding that as long as you agreed to pay a fee monthly to NC Soft you would be able to keep playing the game, if they had wanted to be able to shut the game down when people no longer played in adequate number to turn a good profit. They should have gave the game away and made all their money on the monthly fee.   
I do not know if this has been tried before but it is high time someone does, if I get enough people interested in doing this. I will find the lawyer who will take the case. If done right is should not cost us a dime.
On the other side of this thought I would be nice if we could get all members that still want to play the game interested in forming a corp. we could buy it up. I would be happy to form a non for profit corp to do just that. We could raise 15mil very quickly if we sold stock at say $50 per share to all the players in the game. We could share the work for doing the admin of the game and running of the game with fellow plays who show an interest. Yes I know this is a pipe dream but Damn it why not.
Last word.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on October 21, 2012, 07:01:06 PM
Another blog from johncwright:

 http://johncwright.livejournal.com/553153.html
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: NecrotechMaster on October 22, 2012, 04:01:30 AM
I have not read all the replies to this post so forgive me if someone else has suggested this. I have been playing COH for 6 years. Between I and my girl friend we have paid for 4 copies of the game that will no longer be useable. Two of my copies are DVD additions, plus I bought COV and going Rouge. I will be out well over $400 after you factor in booster packs. I am suggesting bringing a civil action against NC soft for damages and seek a complete refund of all moneys spent in the purchase of the game and its add-ons. If this is gone as a class action meaning we need more than 12 other people to do this as a group. We can make it so costly for them to not give up the server software that they will give it up just to make us go away.
 I have a good understanding of the law and we do have legal standing to bring the action. They have sold over 300k copies (an educated guess) of the game, at this number and it might be much higher. It could cost them over 10.5 mil if they lost or had to settle the case.
 I know someone is going to say. There is no guaranty that any game will stay open and I say under US commercial code you cannot sell a product and then render the product unusable without consequences.   There was a general understanding that as long as you agreed to pay a fee monthly to NC Soft you would be able to keep playing the game, if they had wanted to be able to shut the game down when people no longer played in adequate number to turn a good profit. They should have gave the game away and made all their money on the monthly fee.   
I do not know if this has been tried before but it is high time someone does, if I get enough people interested in doing this. I will find the lawyer who will take the case. If done right is should not cost us a dime.
On the other side of this thought I would be nice if we could get all members that still want to play the game interested in forming a corp. we could buy it up. I would be happy to form a non for profit corp to do just that. We could raise 15mil very quickly if we sold stock at say $50 per share to all the players in the game. We could share the work for doing the admin of the game and running of the game with fellow plays who show an interest. Yes I know this is a pipe dream but Damn it why not.
Last word.

buying the stuff so long ago would prolly not be able to hold any kind of weight in a court case

however if you bought a copy of the game like a week before the shutdown or even after the shutdown and did not know about it then you might be entitled to a refund if you returned it to the place that you bought it from
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on October 22, 2012, 11:47:30 AM
http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/10/20/the-game-archaeologist-a-city-of-heroes-memorial-part-1/
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Tessachan on October 23, 2012, 08:38:28 PM
buying the stuff so long ago would prolly not be able to hold any kind of weight in a court case

however if you bought a copy of the game like a week before the shutdown or even after the shutdown and did not know about it then you might be entitled to a refund if you returned it to the place that you bought it from

Of this I'm uncertain. I'm not aware of any statute of limitations to subscription items. There is a balance sheet showing every purchase you made in money on your account management options, also. (Or slightly different area, but still on your account.) This provides what lawyers love and need: actual numbers.

With my record of purchases in 8+ years I'd be interested in something along the lines of a class action suit.

Thank you for mentioning this. It would be the supreme topper on the PR cake.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on October 23, 2012, 08:56:16 PM
http://www.gamerzines.com/mmo/heroes-interview-heroes-paragon.html

Tony is quite the media sensation !

 http://bangordailynews.com/community/community-of-heroes-to-ncsoft-please-dont-destroy-our-world/
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: eabrace on October 23, 2012, 09:20:48 PM
http://mmofallout.com/2012/10/22/save-coh-plays-for-charity/
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: DrakeGrimm on October 23, 2012, 09:34:38 PM
http://mmofallout.com/2012/10/22/save-coh-plays-for-charity/

/me spittakes

...I'm in the news!? O.o
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on October 24, 2012, 10:47:24 AM
http://www.egmnow.com/articles/news/city-of-heroes-video-mourns-the-upcoming-closure-of-the-game/
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Profit on October 24, 2012, 03:31:28 PM
Wow, EGM was a big name back in the print days...
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on October 24, 2012, 04:08:35 PM
I feel useful again!

http://www.egmnow.com/articles/news/the-save-city-of-heroes-campaign-reveals-ncsofts-firewall-of-silence/
http://www.egmnow.com/articles/news/city-of-heroes-players-raise-over-8000-for-charity/
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: DrakeGrimm on October 24, 2012, 04:17:19 PM
...they really like that quote, don't they?


/me scratches head in confusion
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on October 24, 2012, 04:19:16 PM
*laughs* apparently so. Or they're just lifting it from sites that have already run the story.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: TimtheEnchanter on October 24, 2012, 04:37:38 PM
Anyone else a bit surprised at how much the news sites seem to dig the SaveCoH vids? It just never occurred to me that anyplace besides something like Machinima.com would be doing individual articles on them.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: eabrace on October 24, 2012, 04:41:43 PM
Anyone else a bit surprised at how much the news sites seem to dig the SaveCoH vids?
Nope.  We're largely a visual media society these days.  If you have the option of watching something vs. reading a transcript, most people are going to watch instead of reading.  I mean, how often do you see "tl;dr" after a long post?  I have yet to see anyone comment "tl;dw" (didn't watch).
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: TimtheEnchanter on October 24, 2012, 04:45:22 PM
Nope.  We're largely a visual media society these days.  If you have the option of watching something vs. reading a transcript, most people are going to watch instead of reading.  I mean, how often do you see "tl;dr" after a long post?  I have yet to see anyone comment "tl;dw" (didn't watch).

LOL well you DO need to be careful with that too in the video world. tl;dw is usually said as, "There goes 5 minutes I wish I could get back."

But it's not really about the idea that people would rather watch than read. It's that the videos are actually appearing as the actual topic of articles, rather than afterthoughts or examples to support the topic [SaveCoH campaign]. That's something I never saw coming.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: NecrotechMaster on October 24, 2012, 04:46:01 PM
Nope.  We're largely a visual media society these days.  If you have the option of watching something vs. reading a transcript, most people are going to watch instead of reading.  I mean, how often do you see "tl;dr" after a long post?  I have yet to see anyone comment "tl;dw" (didn't watch).

IMO if the video clip is more than 5 minutes long i usually dont bother watching unless its something that really really interests me

i usually use the same for an article though too, if its a written article thats too long i just skim it unless its something that really interests me
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: eabrace on October 24, 2012, 05:36:04 PM
LOL well you DO need to be careful with that too in the video world. tl;dw is usually said as, "There goes 5 minutes I wish I could get back."
True.  However, if the video is well done, it's less common to see that comment.  With text, even if it's really well written, people are going to see (visual again!) how long it is and either skip or skim it.

(I find it quite clever when I see a site split long article into multiple pages to keep each page short enough to hold interest.  Once you get a reader hooked with the first page, they're more likely to stay with you and look at the rest of the pages in the the article.)
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Knightslayer on October 24, 2012, 06:10:08 PM

(I find it quite clever when I see a site split long article into multiple pages to keep each page short enough to hold interest.  Once you get a reader hooked with the first page, they're more likely to stay with you and look at the rest of the pages in the the article.)

And usually with a lot of pictures/screenshots. I noticed that technique as well.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: dwturducken on October 24, 2012, 11:13:11 PM
http://thekoalition.com/2012/10/koalition-exclusive-qa-with-champions-online-executive-producer-brad-stokan/

This one is only peripherally related, but it's interesting to here what the "executive producer" of CO has to say about his game.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on October 25, 2012, 10:31:27 AM

http://www.egmnow.com/articles/news/the-save-city-of-heroes-campaign-reveals-ncsofts-firewall-of-silence/


This article is getting a lot of comments, which is awesome. If you've got the time, please swing by and comment, and push the story up in their 'top news' tab :)

And:

http://www.manmademag.com/news/eb6df8/
Recycled one, but it's still more eyes!

http://www.manmademag.com/news/c23fc0/
http://www.nowpublic.com/culture/nc-soft-destroys-online-community-and-wont-tell-anyone-why
http://www.topix.com/city/mountain-view-ca/2012/10/nc-soft-destroys-an-online-community-and-wont-tell-anyone-why

Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Knightslayer on October 25, 2012, 11:05:46 AM
That's some awesome work, Rae!
Judging by the comments there are a lot of new people learning about what's going on here thanks to your article!
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rotten Luck on October 25, 2012, 12:01:06 PM
Way to go Rae!
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Atlantea on October 25, 2012, 12:15:51 PM
Awesome Rae! Go go go!
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rotten Luck on October 25, 2012, 12:21:26 PM
Check out the NCsoft Reply on Facebook!

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151152466134477&notif_t=video_reply

I kind of got winded after that.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: BryanSnowden on October 25, 2012, 01:30:14 PM
Uh-oh...  Forgive the cliche - or appreciate my usage of it in this instance  ;)
But, I'm inclined to think that = "Things Just Got Real"  :D

And, I'm willing to continue my "realignment of personal focus" = to make sure that we're "Keepin' it Real"!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmTOM2fuFwk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmTOM2fuFwk)  *@1:30 => "The(ir) standard of society is motivated by greed."

Make no mistake, I intend to 'flip the script' on "When Keeping It Real Goes Wrong" = I'm all in - in betting against I/Us/We being the unfortunate character in the semi-classic Chapelle skits here.

My second thought after re-reading this was, "Oh - No - They - Didn't"!
I suspect this might be remembered as the time that this NCsoft FB poster, "chose, poorly"...  Yes, that's a movie reference, one that I suspect they may not readily understand the significance of here - due to it being a somewhat 'foreign cultural reference' for them. (Maybe not?)

But, I plan to make good use that 'take'/tactic in most of my posts here - [1] for the sake of some much needed levity & [2] for a degree of obfuscation - so that few of NCsoft's folks lurking here would 'get my drift', at least not - 'right off the bat' - as it were.
I'm also hoping that the ones who do "get it" - will have it 'sink-in' and then suffer a dose of the PubRel-Horror they've gotten themselves into here! :o
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Segev on October 25, 2012, 02:09:58 PM
Check out the NCsoft Reply on Facebook!

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151152466134477&notif_t=video_reply

I kind of got winded after that.
Would you mind copying the text of it to this thread? I can't get to facebook from work.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Dr Shadow on October 25, 2012, 02:13:27 PM
 Dear NCSOFT Facebook Fan,
We feel immense gratitude towards your love and enthusiasm of 'City of Heroes'. It has been quite the privilege and we would like to thank you all. 'City of Heroes' is the world's first and best Super Heroes MMORPG. It has received unconditional love for more than 8 years and it is like a family member of this company.
However, to provide a better game and service in the future, we have made the tough decision to discontinue the game. It was very hard on all of us here at NCSOFT.
NCSOFT will strive for a better game and superior service and anticipates the day that we will meet again. We are confident that we will not look back towards today's choice with regret.
Lastly, for the users who enjoy other games of NCSOFT, we would greatly appreciate it if you can hold back the negative and hurtful comments.
Thank you very much.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Segev on October 25, 2012, 02:18:51 PM
Ah, thanks!
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: CapaDevans on October 25, 2012, 02:27:55 PM
It would seem that all my posts have been removed from NCSoft's page. Nor can I comment now.

Nevermind. Plenty of other players to post there. I'll go post on Logitechs, Nexon, NCSofts other pages and all their games.

No. I'm not going to give up NCSoft. You want to play dirty. Fine by me mate.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: CapaDevans on October 25, 2012, 02:58:57 PM
I know it's posted here but can I ask everyone to hit up this thread and responde, it's a great artical.
http://www.egmnow.com/articles/news/the-save-city-of-heroes-campaign-reveals-ncsofts-firewall-of-silence/?fb_comment_id=fbc_123149507837704_136995_123451401140848#f350b4f0da3854

My response is below. Sorry about the wall of text, I couldn't work out how to use spoilers on this board.

"NCSoft are not only not communicating, they are actively trying to silence anyone who points out their immoral and shady business practices. My Facebook posts asking for CoX to be saved have "disappeared". I've kept two accounts fully subscribed and bought every costume/extra ever released including $100 of points a month before the closure for which I will not be refunded. "It's just a customer" is their thinking.

This is the fifth time they've closed a MMO; this one obviously has a dedicated fanbase which made the game profitable.

No product from NCSoft, Nexon or any of their joint advertisers will ever be purchased in this household (and I'm a long-standing Logitech customer).

NCSoft's attitude is to take your money right before - and after - a completely unexpected and inexplicable sunsetting. Added to which is the bare-face lies about "exhausting all sales options" when we know they didn't even return calls. After the Richard Garrett incident though, what else should be expect?

Check this little gem: "Tabula Rasa failed to be a commercial success despite its seven-year development period. On November 11, 2008, in an open letter on the Tabula Rasa website, Garriott announced his plans to leave NCsoft to pursue new interests sparked by his spaceflight experiences. Later, however, Garriott claimed that the letter was forged as a means of forcing him out of his position and that he had had no intention of leaving.[14] On November 24, NCsoft announced that it planned to end the live service of Tabula Rasa. The servers shut down on February 28, 2009, after a period of free play from January 10 onward for existing account holders.[15].

In July 2010, an Austin District Court awarded Garriott USD$28 million in his lawsuit against NCsoft, finding that the company did not appropriately handle his departure in 2008.[16] In October 2011, the United States Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit affirmed the judgment.[17]" (from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Garriott).

City of Heroes/Villains players won't be silenced, NCSoft. Your stocks are tanking and will continue to do so.

You don't know who your player base is in CoX. Professional adults, not kiddies who will take your nonsense and switch to your soft-core porn replacement. Why would any woman (or man who understands proportions) want to play the drivel you are pumping out? Your player base includes families; none of them are going to allow kids to play something which should get an AO rating.

If you want to distribute bad cartoon porn, that's up to you, but you should have shown respect for the loyal customers of eight years and behaved more honourably. You should have communicated better; not fired the one guy who understood the community because he posted that we raised over $1000 in three HOURS to give the Dev team you fired a good farewell meal. You should not have lied about exhausting all options to sell the Intellectual property to the willing buyers that were out there.

Frankly NCSoft you demonstrate the WORST business sense of any major company I have seen. Even your reports from employees are dire.

I hope we save City of Heroes/Villains but believe me that your ongoing shoddy and fraudulent behaviour will not be forgotten. It will be affecting your business for years to come. Yours and any company you touch."
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Profit on October 25, 2012, 02:59:25 PM
Dear NCSOFT Facebook Fan,
We feel immense gratitude towards your love and enthusiasm of 'City of Heroes'. It has been quite the privilege and we would like to thank you all. 'City of Heroes' is the world's first and best Super Heroes MMORPG. It has received unconditional love for more than 8 years and it is like a family member of this company.
However, to provide a better game and service in the future, we have made the tough decision to discontinue the game. It was very hard on all of us here at NCSOFT.
NCSOFT will strive for a better game and superior service and anticipates the day that we will meet again. We are confident that we will not look back towards today's choice with regret.
Lastly, for the users who enjoy other games of NCSOFT, we would greatly appreciate it if you can hold back the negative and hurtful comments.
Thank you very much.

That's interesting.... very interesting....
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Mentalshock on October 25, 2012, 03:00:53 PM
On September 7th, NCsoft's stock was at a high of 286,500.    It is now at 206,500.   


  That's almost a 30% difference.    I think that's pretty noticable, don't you?
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Atlantea on October 25, 2012, 03:11:49 PM
I find it telling that the decline started IMMEDIATELY after we held the first Unity rally and got the attention of the gaming media!

For a few weeks I was hesitant to say that the ups and downs of the stock indicated whether it was definitely going down in an overall trend or not.

But looking at it now, if you average out the ups and downs, the overall trend is almost a DEAD STRAIGHT LINE down from the peak on Sept 7th.

I'd call THAT a RESULT.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on October 25, 2012, 03:16:15 PM
Can I ask everyone to hit the 'recommend' button on this one to bump it up?

http://www.nowpublic.com/culture/nc-soft-destroys-online-community-and-wont-tell-anyone-why

I know that a lot of big news outlets source news from nowpublic, and the more interest/recommendations it gets, the more likely it is that someone 'proper' will pick up on it :)
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Atlantea on October 25, 2012, 03:21:51 PM
Do I have to make an account with them to do this?
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on October 25, 2012, 03:25:27 PM
I don't think so. There should be a 'thumbs up' icon on the right hand side. It shows up as about halfway down for me.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rotten Luck on October 25, 2012, 03:35:17 PM
I got the recommend button under the facebook stuff.  It was a grey button with a check mark.  Hit it and it turned yellow.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Atlantea on October 25, 2012, 03:55:16 PM
Aha. I saw what I was looking for and recommended it!
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Globetrotter on October 25, 2012, 06:16:32 PM
Found the button, and hit it!
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: TimtheEnchanter on October 26, 2012, 07:33:05 AM
Something weird here. There's a page here, that SHOULD have an article about CoH, and it seems to have been erased from existence. It turns up on Google search and is only a day old, yet even searching from the page itself yields nada. This is the redirect. http://www.nowpublic.com/tag/Culture

The article title according to Google was: "NC Soft destroys an online community - and won't tell anyone why."


Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on October 26, 2012, 08:27:54 AM
It looks as if they've removed it. It was certainly up there a little earlier.
 I'll contact them and see if I can find out why :)

ETA: Aaah. Apparently there was a query with it. They emailed me, but since my mail provider inexplicably locked me out two days ago and hasn't sorted it out yet, I never got the email, couldn't reply and nowpublic decided I didn't exist and deleted the article. Grrr. I'll try to repost it when I've got access to my mail again.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: JaguarX on October 26, 2012, 05:23:22 PM
It looks as if they've removed it. It was certainly up there a little earlier.
 I'll contact them and see if I can find out why :)

ETA: Aaah. Apparently there was a query with it. They emailed me, but since my mail provider inexplicably locked me out two days ago and hasn't sorted it out yet, I never got the email, couldn't reply and nowpublic decided I didn't exist and deleted the article. Grrr. I'll try to repost it when I've got access to my mail again.

dang.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on October 26, 2012, 05:29:05 PM
no worries. got word of a goodun due to go up soon :)
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: CapaDevans on October 26, 2012, 06:07:26 PM
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Mentalshock on October 26, 2012, 06:15:03 PM
I've begun to wonder:

    What would it take for this campaign to become noticable to the public eye?
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: CapaDevans on October 26, 2012, 06:44:34 PM
I'm hoping for the "disgusted at NC's T&A offering. Binning family entertainment for cartoon porn" reports.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on October 26, 2012, 07:29:14 PM
Here it is, I had issues first time but then I got it via Chrome. This I got from Google cache. PLEASE repost it, it's great:

I will admit to being baffled.

On Wednesday, after I emailed that article out, I started getting login failures on my mail.com account that I sent it from, and then when I went to their webmail client, I was told my account had been blocked. Apparently this isn't unusual for mail.com, and a quick google found a whole bunch of people complaining that their accounts were frequently blocked for no apparent reason.

When I went back to nowpublic, it turned out that my account there  (the one I posted that article with) has been either 'blocked or marked inactive'. Unfortunately, as it was registered through my mail.com account, so I have no idea why. I took a browse through their FAQ but I couldn't see where I'd broken any of their golden rules, so I'm a little bemused by it. Until my email account is back, there's not that much I can do about it, but hopefully I can sort that once it's up and running.

Aaanyway...whatever that's all about, I've had some good news from my friend at Starburst and a piece based off the information in that article is currently with their editor and should hopefully be up before too much longer. They are very sympathetic to our cause and grateful to us for the support we've shown their site when they've run articles about City of Heroes.

I said it in the original thread (http://www.cohtitan.com/forum/index.php/topic,5781.0.html) but I know how fast things scroll around here, so if anyone has press contacts, blogs, or is a citizen journalist, please feel free to take that article, re-write it, make it your own and send it wherever you feel it might get an audience.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Omali on October 26, 2012, 09:19:03 PM
Hello again,

I figured I'd post this here rather than create a new thread. I've received a lot of suggestions (both from this forum and through my own channels) to add a section on to my website where players can share thoughts about their most memorable MMO moments. So starting in a week or two (depending on response), I will be starting up a regular addition to MMO Fallout, where players can submit and share their thoughts and memories of gaming. Personally I could fill several books with all the memories I have, so I will be adding my own thoughts to each article.

Most of them will not be themed, but for the first piece I want to focus on NCSoft's shuttered games. If you have any memories (or suggestions for the article) you'd like to share, send them to me via private message or email (contact@mmofallout.com). If you know anyone who would want to take part, feel free to throw them my email.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Atlantea on October 26, 2012, 09:37:33 PM
My Latest response in the comments of the EGM article:

Quote
Frankly I'm enjoying watching NCSoft's stock continue it's slide down the hole.

http://www.reuters.com/finance/stocks/chart?symbol=036570.KS

I find it quite telling that the upward trend that began just after they announced the closing of Paragon studios was STOPPED DEAD in it's tracks and started a more or less straight line downward almost LITERALLY the day after the Unity Rally with all the torchbearers in-game and the save City of Heroes efforts began.

NCsoft have NO IDEA of the whirlwind they are about to reap in terms of bad publicity. They think it's bad now, wait until November 30th passes and City of Heroes close down the servers for the last time, then the gloves of the former community will truly come off.

To paraphrase Mr. Stark from The Avengers: "If we can't protect Paragon City you can be damn certain we will AVENGE it!"
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on October 27, 2012, 01:52:49 PM
http://www.gamerzines.com/mmo/paragon-studios-answering-heroes.html
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Knightslayer on October 27, 2012, 03:06:42 PM
http://www.gamerzines.com/mmo/paragon-studios-answering-heroes.html
It was nice to see a site give our devs the recognition they deserve.  ;D
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: The White Rager on October 28, 2012, 02:08:18 PM
Dammit, why didn't I know we had a dedicated 'Save City of Heroes' site already? Under the domain name savecoh no less! That's bloody important, now we have a dedicated hub to send people to, with a nice simple link. Heck, they can even remember the url on their own.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Lily Barclay on October 29, 2012, 05:52:21 PM
I'm seeing an unconfirmed report in the facebook Save CoH group that the Los Angeles Times along with two newspapers in San Bernadino, are going to be picking up the Save CoH story.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/SaveCityofHeroes/170440686429536/?notif_t=group_comment_reply (https://www.facebook.com/groups/SaveCityofHeroes/170440686429536/?notif_t=group_comment_reply)

The text of the post-

"I am so excited! I got a call from my friend who works for a newspaper here in California and they picked up our story! Not just that when 2 other news papers, one a major news paper heard they picked up the save coh story too! The articles will be published this week!"

The poster goes on to say that she'll link everyone when the stories come out.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rotten Luck on October 29, 2012, 06:07:44 PM
I just saw that one too Lily.  Your faster poster then I am.

Also at this time I'm distracted by a blasted storm dumping rain on me.  At the moment I'm getting 28 MPH winds.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: TimtheEnchanter on October 29, 2012, 06:16:36 PM
I just saw that one too Lily.  Your faster poster then I am.

Also at this time I'm distracted by a blasted storm dumping rain on me.  At the moment I'm getting 28 MPH winds.

If that's all you get from a hurricane, what're you complaining about?  :P

I'm seeing an unconfirmed report in the facebook Save CoH group that the Los Angeles Times along with two newspapers in San Bernadino, are going to be picking up the Save CoH story.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/SaveCityofHeroes/170440686429536/?notif_t=group_comment_reply (https://www.facebook.com/groups/SaveCityofHeroes/170440686429536/?notif_t=group_comment_reply)

....whoa.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rotten Luck on October 29, 2012, 06:28:30 PM
Lol TimtheEndhanter That's what I been telling people.  Yeah it's a class 2 storm still off in the water.  Projected for the eye to hit land about 4 hours from now.  I'm going.... okay I been through this before why everyone panicking?  But if it knocks out my power I'm offline then and BORED.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: TimtheEnchanter on October 29, 2012, 06:31:59 PM
I'm part storm-chaser, so I won't get bored. If the power goes out, I'm going for a ride.  8)
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rotten Luck on October 29, 2012, 06:36:17 PM
Only Thing I like about storms is the lighting light shows.  Don't get that from this... it's pure wind and a lot of water.  Hmm from the radar I might be hit by another heavy band in a few mins.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Knightslayer on October 29, 2012, 09:39:31 PM
I hope it passes you all by without too much of that old "mother nature's wrath"!
I'm not sure if the media's trying to hype it up, but that whole merging with two other storms thing... yeah...
I'll be rooting for you folks.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: TimtheEnchanter on October 29, 2012, 10:01:46 PM
Seems to me like it's already fizzling out. Somehow it's doing more far inland than on the coast, which is VERY weird.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rotten Luck on October 30, 2012, 04:40:32 PM
Update:  Lost power yesterday at 6:30 PM give or take.   Power just came back on an hour half ago it's now 12:39 PM so power came back at 11:09 AM.

Had some minor flooding due to the pump in the basement/garage loosing power but nothing some sweeping and moping couldn't fix.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: NecrotechMaster on October 30, 2012, 10:27:38 PM
in a post on the official forums here (http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=298232), it kind of shows what the dev team has been up to for the last 2 months

according to the devs, ncsoft was completely surprised by the savecoh movement, public outcry, and complete dissatisfaction for ncsoft as a result of the coh closure

also mentioned is another point we can use in future articles that COH was the largest and most active MMO to be shut down which also looks extremely bad for ncsoft
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Tubbius on October 30, 2012, 11:40:58 PM
That's some bad juju for NCSoft.  :o

Well, here's hoping something good comes of all this!
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Electric-Knight on October 31, 2012, 12:42:18 AM
...
also mentioned is another point we can use in future articles that COH was the largest and most active MMO to be shut down which also looks extremely bad for ncsoft
Yep, I think this is a great and important bullet point (at the very least) for our talks about this closing and our efforts to inform the public/press about the facts of this particular scenario.

"I want my (game) back, you son of a bitch".

Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: TimtheEnchanter on October 31, 2012, 05:19:42 PM
Update:  Lost power yesterday at 6:30 PM give or take.   Power just came back on an hour half ago it's now 12:39 PM so power came back at 11:09 AM.

Had some minor flooding due to the pump in the basement/garage loosing power but nothing some sweeping and moping couldn't fix.

Still no power here. Or cable. Or phone.

Visiting a random cell tower to get internet access and just check in.

Was really no flooding here to speak of. Just a big wind storm. Few trees down amazingly. The poles seemed to come down on their own for the most part.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on November 01, 2012, 08:10:34 AM
http://www.mmorpg.com/mobile/features.cfm?read=6849&game=3&ismb=1
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on November 02, 2012, 08:17:43 AM
http://www.holdtheline.com/threads/proposal-save-city-of-heroes.3625/

Support from hold the line!
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Knightslayer on November 02, 2012, 08:35:35 AM
Quote
When I was at NY Comicon last weekend, I ran into a member of the SaveCoH movement, who directed me to http://www.savecoh.com/ .

Aw! Good job whoever that was!  ;D
Edit: Registered on HTL's forums to say thanks and to bump the topic!

I noticed they also left this on Titan's twitter:

ParagonGreg @ParagonGreg  6 u 
@thetitannetwork At this stage, is there anything we can do for the SaveCOH movement?
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Vulpy on November 02, 2012, 11:06:21 AM
Edit: Registered on HTL's forums to say thanks and to bump the topic!

I replied, as well.

Sorry I haven't been around much--classes and other obligations have been keeping me busy, and I don't foresee that changing in the next month. But my goal is to start an Extra Credits forum discussion tomorrow. I'll post that link when and if I do.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Knightslayer on November 02, 2012, 12:31:54 PM
I replied, as well.

Sorry I haven't been around much--classes and other obligations have been keeping me busy, and I don't foresee that changing in the next month. But my goal is to start an Extra Credits forum discussion tomorrow. I'll post that link when and if I do.
You're Syrin, Vulpy?
And cool!

Edit: Nevermind! For some reason my browser decided not to show your post until now! O.O
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Vulpy on November 02, 2012, 07:10:05 PM
You're Syrin, Vulpy?
And cool!

Edit: Nevermind! For some reason my browser decided not to show your post until now! O.O

Sorry. I posted, but forgot to mention that my post was awaiting moderator approval.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on November 03, 2012, 02:12:16 PM
http://www.examiner.com/article/charity-drive-started-by-city-of-heroes-players-opens-for-2012
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Artillerie on November 05, 2012, 04:12:45 PM
Just sent an email to BBC radio's Womens Hour suggesting that they may be interested in checking out Blade and Soul as being offensive. If anyone else wants to give it a shot :

(https://images.weserv.nl/?url=www.bbc.co.uk%2Fradio4%2Ffeatures%2Fcontact-forms%2Fwomans-hour%2F)

although i think this may be a case where the number of emails may not affect it's likelyhood of getting through.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Harermuir on November 07, 2012, 10:56:18 PM
Someone should update the english wikipedia page of the game : it doesn't mention for now the closure of the game (and the mobilisation of players). My english is not good enough to do this. Let use any publicity we can.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on November 07, 2012, 11:00:37 PM
http://www.starburstmagazine.com/editorial/3869-boycott-ncsoft
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Atlantea on November 08, 2012, 06:28:15 AM
I just now did a basic "News for NCSoft" search on Google and Look what just floated to the top! 

http://my.mmosite.com/2281165/blog/item/ncsoft_killing_them_softly.html (http://my.mmosite.com/2281165/blog/item/ncsoft_killing_them_softly.html)
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on November 08, 2012, 10:22:07 AM
There are /so/ many terrible comments on that site.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on November 08, 2012, 11:23:47 AM
http://www.starburstmagazine.com/gaming-news/3867-gaming-news-city-of-heroes-update

Another from Starburst :)
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Knightslayer on November 08, 2012, 12:03:25 PM
http://www.starburstmagazine.com/gaming-news/3867-gaming-news-city-of-heroes-update

Another from Starburst :)
*hits the Like button again!* Go Starburst!
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Codewalker on November 08, 2012, 02:51:44 PM
There are /so/ many terrible comments on that site.

The internet at its finest.

There are some on there that need to go back to 4chan where they belong.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on November 08, 2012, 04:58:29 PM
http://www.mmomeltingpot.com/2012/10/farewell-to-city-of-heroes-and-whats-next/
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on November 09, 2012, 03:59:21 PM
http://plus10damage.com/?p=2611
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on November 09, 2012, 08:16:23 PM
http://geeksunleashed.me/2012/11/09/city-of-heroes-retrospective/
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Profit on November 09, 2012, 11:39:43 PM
Looks like the nytimes might be in the mood for a real world hero article and maybe interested in the savecoh campaign. You guys in journalism circles and book authors might be able to jump on this better than I can. I'm gonna leave an article here that the times put out.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/09/giving/in-comic-book-industry-needy-have-heroes-of-their-own.html

It doesn't have to do with savecoh but might give an idea of what they are looking for in case someone decides to approach them.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Lily Barclay on November 13, 2012, 04:31:10 AM
http://lurkingrhythmically.blogspot.com/2012/11/ncsofts-stocks-nosedive-like-lemmings.html

First page on a google search for "NCSoft Stocks".  :D Nice!
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Lily Barclay on November 13, 2012, 06:53:03 PM
Was yesterday. Oh well.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Quinch on November 19, 2012, 02:43:01 PM
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/tech/2012/11/134_124954.html

Please excuse me while I schadenfreude my ass off.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: NecrotechMaster on November 19, 2012, 05:13:37 PM
heh very nice, although im oddly surprised that it doesnt mention CoH at all
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Turjan on November 19, 2012, 05:35:11 PM
heh very nice, although im oddly surprised that it doesnt mention CoH at all
Don't be - The Korea Times is mostly a news source for domestic consumption, and CoH only ever got an aborted launch in Korea, so the average Korean reader might not even have a clue what it is.

KTimes articles about NCsoft tend to focus exclusively on how they're doing at home, with barely ever a mention of the overseas fragment of the company, with the exception of the recent launch of Guild Wars 2.

It'll certainly be interesting to see if more information leaks out about this supposed "overseas acquisition" the article refers to. CEO Kim saying NC-Nexon-soft is going to make a big play, and then not saying what that play actually is just makes the company sound like they're pulling a fast one in a desperate bid to win back investor confidence.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rotten Luck on November 19, 2012, 05:47:31 PM
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Lily Barclay on November 19, 2012, 05:50:31 PM
heh very nice, although im oddly surprised that it doesnt mention CoH at all

It kinda does in that it mentions older games NCSoft isn't getting enough revenue from. I took that as a "Wow, bet you wish you hadn't closed our profitable game now." Seems like it would have been one of the few things making them reliable profit right now.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Cinnder on November 19, 2012, 09:54:33 PM
I like where it says "Without proper explanation by the CEO..."

Huh, that's so unlike NCSoft...
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: TonyV on November 19, 2012, 11:26:06 PM
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/tech/2012/11/134_124954.html

Please excuse me while I schadenfreude my ass off.

Excused!

I posted a comment on there.  I hope the muckity-mucks see it.  Turjan is right about CoH not being really visible in Korea, which I think is one of our problems.  Still, the article mentions that investors are questioning their expansion abroad.  Gee, I wonder why?  Someone else pointed out to me the part about Korean gamers being capricious, how that's kind of telling in that they think that western gamers are probably capricious.  *sigh...  I really don't think they have a clue about the western gaming market.  Not that Koreans nor westerners are all one monolithic hive mind, but you have to adapt your business and products to overseas markets, something that NCsoft seems woefully poor at.

Rumor I've heard is that NCwest and NCsoft are sometimes at odds with each other over just such issues, and NCwest is forced to defer to corporate HQ in Korea.  If that's true, methinks that TJ and company really need to let NCwest actually manage the products in the western market and keep their noses out of it.

Anyway, great catch on that article, I posted a comment at the bottom.  They limit you to 150 characters (gah, really?), but hopefully I got the point across.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Ammon on November 20, 2012, 02:12:24 AM
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/tech/2012/11/134_124954.html

Please excuse me while I schadenfreude my ass off.
I wanted to comment on the obvious ties between games like Blade and Soul that completely objectify women as mere sex toys, and another story - http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/world/2012/11/182_124524.html - on the endemic problem of sexual crimes and abuse, but the crummy script wouldn't let me log in.

See also http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2012/11/511_124532.html for more reasons to think Korea really doesn't need more teaching of the objectification of women, but some good family values (that don't include incest).  No wonder CoH failed in Korea ... they couldn't understand why Statesman wasn't screwing Ms Liberty.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Xieveral on November 20, 2012, 02:42:00 AM
No wonder CoH failed in Korea ... they couldn't understand why Statesman wasn't screwing Ms Liberty.

Please don't make generalizations like that. I understand you're upset with NCSoft but do you really have to take a shot at all Koreans?
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: P51mus on November 20, 2012, 03:30:20 AM
The US has its own issues with rape, there's one study that says  1 in 5 women have been sexually assaulted (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/15/health/nearly-1-in-5-women-in-us-survey-report-sexual-assault.html).

And then there's the problem with rape in the military (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/maria-cuomo-cole/the-real-military-sex-sca_b_2157997.html), where the military covers it up/blames the victim rather than actually prosecuting the offender.

That's not to excuse any problems they have, but the US still has progress to make of its own.  I do wonder how it breaks down by state, though.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rotten Luck on November 20, 2012, 04:42:26 AM
I wanted to comment on the obvious ties between games like Blade and Soul that completely objectify women as mere sex toys, and another story - http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/world/2012/11/182_124524.html - on the endemic problem of sexual crimes and abuse, but the crummy script wouldn't let me log in.

See also http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2012/11/511_124532.html for more reasons to think Korea really doesn't need more teaching of the objectification of women, but some good family values (that don't include incest).  No wonder CoH failed in Korea ... they couldn't understand why Statesman wasn't screwing Ms Liberty.

As much as I am against Over sexurlizing of women, and Deeply against real life abuse of any kind.  I be against tying games to social problems.  To many groups trying that already one reason we have a rating system now for Games.  There are way to many think that Games or entertainment of any kind causes behavior.  The Comic book industry was almost destroyed because of such views, movies often fight the mind set.  The Gaming companies are now the latest target.  No need to add more fuel to that fire.

I been physically and sexually abused there is no way in hell I support any kind of mistreatment of others.  Even today about 25 years later some days I can't stand to be touched at all.  That said I have downloaded the perverted Mods for skyrim and have my own Game harem.  I am not a pervert ... I just play one in games.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Ammon on November 22, 2012, 01:41:36 AM
As much as I am against Over sexurlizing of women, and Deeply against real life abuse of any kind.  I be against tying games to social problems.  To many groups trying that already one reason we have a rating system now for Games.  There are way to many think that Games or entertainment of any kind causes behavior.  The Comic book industry was almost destroyed because of such views, movies often fight the mind set.  The Gaming companies are now the latest target.  No need to add more fuel to that fire.
<Off-topic>
Actually, scores of studies have proven that exposure to graphic images does lower sensitivity, and surprisingly quickly.  Years ago (more than I care to recount) I was employed as a Learning Resources Technician - because Media is an excellent tool for education, (and indeed, propaganda) and is known to affect learning very effectively and efficiently.  What one sees gives one the feeling of experiencing it, and we are all geared to learn from experience.

Many corporations use training videos.  Most distance learning involves media.  The armed forces and emergency services also use video in training, and more to the point, we count time spent on simulators as some of the most effective training of all.

The correct counter-argument is that we are not only exposed to negative learning, because games and movies also show heroism, love, determination, resolve, etc.  Mostly, the 'good guys' win.  Again, there is a known correlation between media depiction of relationships, and what is expected, and what people will then seek in relationships.  The only argument that holds no water whatsoever is to argue that the media does not affect attitudes among those exposed to it.

Of course, given that 'the media' are the ones making a living from the media, they pretty much give no attention to the studies and evidence against it, except very occassionally to highlight a particularly weak piece of research that they can show being argued against.  Go direct to university websites though and you will find hundreds of studies that all showed a strong and direct correlation between what we see, and how we feel.
</off topic>
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rotten Luck on November 22, 2012, 03:39:04 AM
Always knew I was an odd ball.  My attraction to real life women is counter to my game taste.  I'm not interested in normal porn because I find it distasteful.  Hentai or cartoons I see as an art form same with games so sexual images there is fine.  I'm almost A-sexual in life. 

It could also be said that for a TEEN rated game most behavior is established and a culture that devalues women would make games that do so as well. 
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on November 22, 2012, 03:34:35 PM
http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/11/21/a-mild-mannered-reporter-the-cost-of-closing-city-of-heroes/
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: JaguarX on November 22, 2012, 07:50:09 PM
<Off-topic>
Actually, scores of studies have proven that exposure to graphic images does lower sensitivity, and surprisingly quickly.  Years ago (more than I care to recount) I was employed as a Learning Resources Technician - because Media is an excellent tool for education, (and indeed, propaganda) and is known to affect learning very effectively and efficiently.  What one sees gives one the feeling of experiencing it, and we are all geared to learn from experience.

Many corporations use training videos.  Most distance learning involves media.  The armed forces and emergency services also use video in training, and more to the point, we count time spent on simulators as some of the most effective training of all.

The correct counter-argument is that we are not only exposed to negative learning, because games and movies also show heroism, love, determination, resolve, etc.  Mostly, the 'good guys' win.  Again, there is a known correlation between media depiction of relationships, and what is expected, and what people will then seek in relationships.  The only argument that holds no water whatsoever is to argue that the media does not affect attitudes among those exposed to it.

Of course, given that 'the media' are the ones making a living from the media, they pretty much give no attention to the studies and evidence against it, except very occassionally to highlight a particularly weak piece of research that they can show being argued against.  Go direct to university websites though and you will find hundreds of studies that all showed a strong and direct correlation between what we see, and how we feel.
</off topic>

Even in psychology there are exceptions.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: TonyV on November 23, 2012, 01:36:57 AM
http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/11/21/a-mild-mannered-reporter-the-cost-of-closing-city-of-heroes/

...And it seems that the trolls are either monitoring our boards here or otherwise looking for these articles.  Another_Fan got banned from the official forums, and now he/she/it is posting comments on this article.  You know, for someone who professes not to care about City of Heroes, they sure are spending a LOT of time worrying about it.

Still, what they don't seem to realize is that all of their efforts are adding eyeballs to the sponsors of the site.  As controversy breaks out and fighting-by-comment-posts breaks out, it drives up revenue at the site and encourages the administrators of those sites to write more articles like that.  I almost feel like I should thank Another_Fan and the others there for helping our cause.

All that AND good coverage of what's going on from Eliot...  Double score!
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: dwturducken on November 23, 2012, 02:10:57 AM
Not that I can get into the head of a unicorn (pointy horn in the way), but thanking someone for their unicorning aiding our cause might make them bugger off.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: NecrotechMaster on November 23, 2012, 05:38:36 AM
from what i been reading another_fan has been pretty anti-titan almost since the beginning of the savecoh movement
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Atlantea on November 23, 2012, 07:26:22 AM
Another_fan is rabidly obsessed with hatred for Titan. His posting history on the official forums seems to indicate he had a running feud with certain posters like Golden Girl. Something about a "Forum Cartel" or something?

Comments like these:

Quote
For 8 years these people have been shutting down any dissent on the forums. Now they can't. Surprise the people that liked the game but really didn't like how it had evolved are having their say.

I am sure they will go back to their campaign of getting other people's games shut down, all the while complaining anyone who disagrees with them is a hater.

Quote
That was the other thing the Titan Crew has been really good at. Getting people to leave the game over the years. Not surprising nothing changes till the end.

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It isn't a complaint it is an observation. It ties in with the observation that for the past 8 years the greatest skill they have exhibited anywhere has been making excuses about why things haven't been done.

Personally if I were to get behind or otherwise help, lookforward to or pre purchase, I would want to see people whose great skill was producing the item, not the manufacture of excuses.

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There are a few people cough* Tim the Enchanter* cough * Anyone who identifies with the titan people* cough , who didn't like the conclusions this thread was drawing so they decided to do anything they could stop discussion of why the game died, and why the Titan efforts were a misguided pipe dream.

They couldn't counter the points being made so they trotted out the most inflamatory stuff they could find all the while calling other people Trolls.

Unbelievably he actually called Black Pebble a NAZI!

http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showpost.php?p=4424397&postcount=639

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You get to be the Titan Network's Ernst Hess

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1653547.html

Or Emil Maurice

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emil_Maurice

Yes and have fun calling godwin. It hardly negates the rabid hate happening over there.



Really. I almost feel sorry for him. This is the most attention he's ever received. When the official boards go down and he has to go to other places that are actually moderated, he won't be able to spew his venom to get attention.

We should be charitable upon this withered soul and buy him an un-moderated forum where he can go spew all the anti-City of Heroes and anti-Titan hate he wants.



Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: TimtheEnchanter on November 23, 2012, 08:52:50 AM
He got banned. And then so did the alternate account he created to continue the tirade.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on November 23, 2012, 09:57:59 AM
http://www.mmorpg.com/blogs.cfm/blogId/1209/entry/24237/utm_campaign/MMORPG%20Daily%20Digest%20Email/utm_source/MMORPG/utm_medium

<- Interesting?
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Mentalshock on November 23, 2012, 10:18:53 AM
http://www.mmorpg.com/blogs.cfm/blogId/1209/entry/24237/utm_campaign/MMORPG%20Daily%20Digest%20Email/utm_source/MMORPG/utm_medium

<- Interesting?

Is this the ultimate result of a 'realignment of focus'?   Certainly seems so to me.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Zombie Man on November 23, 2012, 11:06:19 AM
Another_Fan has generally been an all around ass for a long time.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: CapaDevans on November 23, 2012, 12:14:32 PM
http://www.mmorpg.com/blogs.cfm/blogId/1209/entry/24237/utm_campaign/MMORPG%20Daily%20Digest%20Email/utm_source/MMORPG/utm_medium

<- Interesting?

Very.

The move from sub with the odd costume pack to nearly everything being purchaseable on the market stinks of that guy who introduces the cash shop into everything.

Personally, I started playing CoX because it didn't have that type of business model; one fee, end of, buy a costume pack if you wanted. Looks like he was trying to turn it into a cash-driven grind fest but got the legs kicked out from under him. Maybe CoX players weren't spending as much in the cash shop as they wanted/expected.

What I found terrifying was the suggestion that Nexon intend to make a move on Valve. That's an unpleasant thought.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on November 23, 2012, 12:19:07 PM
That rumours been doing the rounds a while. I think it's been debunked, but like someone says in the comments, just because Valve said they'd rather self-destruct than be owned by anyone else, doesn't mean that Nexon aren't /trying/.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rotten Luck on November 23, 2012, 12:31:42 PM
Seems to me to move the NCsoft Boycot to include anything connected to Nexon as well. 
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Turjan on November 23, 2012, 03:54:32 PM
Not wishing to defend Nexon (because I certainly haven't so far (http://i1339.photobucket.com/albums/o714/MMOKiller/NCsoft%20the%20MMOKiller/comeinpeace-shoottokill_zpsa87d5cd1.jpg) and I have no intention of starting now ;) ) but I feel I should play Devil's Advocate here and point out that the timing of the Arenanet conspiracy events there doesn't necessarily mean anything. It's the same as saying "CoH went F2P - Nexon's preferred cash model - a year before Nexon and NCsoft joined hands. Does that mean NCsoft were kowtowing to Nexon back then by making CoH F2P?" The logic failure there is if that was the case, CoH wouldn't be being closed now.

CoH did go F2P and Nexon do love their F2P model..but two matching facts don't necessarily make a whole picture.

Of course it's equally possible that in this particular case of GW paranoia there might indeed be a valid connection.

The thing is, trying to second guess what NCsoft and Nexon are up to is like trying to work out where a car's going to swerve next when the driver's had a heart attack at the wheel...
The whole situation is looking so leaderless and desperate now that the wisest course of action might be simply to get the hell off the road until the crash has actually happened, and then call in forensics to poke through the wreckage afterwards for answers.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: P51mus on November 23, 2012, 07:58:01 PM
That rumours been doing the rounds a while. I think it's been debunked, but like someone says in the comments, just because Valve said they'd rather self-destruct than be owned by anyone else, doesn't mean that Nexon aren't /trying/.

And just because they're trying, doesn't mean it's going to amount to anything.

Valve is a privately owned company, with over 50% of it owned by Gabe Newell, the one who has said he'd rather see the company die than be acquired.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on November 23, 2012, 08:10:56 PM
And just because they're trying, doesn't mean it's going to amount to anything.

Indeed so :)
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: eabrace on November 23, 2012, 09:01:07 PM
http://www.onrpg.com/MMO/City-of-Heroes/news/Character-Development-City-of-Heroes
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Xieveral on November 24, 2012, 08:54:25 AM
Another_fan is rabidly obsessed with hatred for Titan. His posting history on the official forums seems to indicate he had a running feud with certain posters like Golden Girl. Something about a "Forum Cartel" or something?

[snipped quotes and links to make things a little shorter]

Unbelievably he actually called Black Pebble a NAZI!


1) I believe the nazi remark was a joke in poor taste. I don't think he actually believes Black Pebble has Nazi characteristics. (BP is a total sweetie!)

2) While I think Another_Fan was an obstinate jerk that talked out his back end, I can kind of understand why he would be so anti-Titan (other than his natural fondness of pissing in the cheerios of others)

Your hearts are in the right place but I feel that some information is portrayed by more vocal members as absolute fact and certainties not speculation and possibilities.

The ones that received information from the source may believe it but remember, the rest of us get that info secondhand it may have gotten garbled during exchange or something false from the get-go because the source made it up for some sadistic reason.

There's no way to prove or disprove these things unless:

a) it happens
b) we gain the ability to read minds of any and all involved with said information

Understandably, you want fans to be hopeful and optimistic that CoX will be saved/ that Plan Z will be everything they want it to be/ that NCSoft/Nexon and other baddies will get their just desserts but please, please understand that there are lots of "what ifs"  that could absolutely crush those possibilities. So be careful with what you say and how you say it.

Also, its better to take the high road and overlook the naysayers instead of egging them on or talking back.

The words and actions of a few are taken as a representation of the community as a whole. so make those words and actions something that the rest of us can be proud of. If you absolutely feel compelled to talk back, make it clear that its YOUR views, not those of the Titan community. Also, I feel leadership should be laying down some rules of conduct for activity outside these forums.

I am supportive of some things being done by the Titan community but I don't want to be seen as one that supports or participates in some of the more distasteful or misguided actions made by others in the community.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: TimtheEnchanter on November 24, 2012, 09:30:41 PM
1) I believe the nazi remark was a joke in poor taste. I don't think he actually believes Black Pebble has Nazi characteristics. (BP is a total sweetie!)

2) While I think Another_Fan was an obstinate jerk that talked out his back end, I can kind of understand why he would be so anti-Titan (other than his natural fondness of pissing in the cheerios of others)

Your hearts are in the right place but I feel that some information is portrayed by more vocal members as absolute fact and certainties not speculation and possibilities.

The ones that received information from the source may believe it but remember, the rest of us get that info secondhand it may have gotten garbled during exchange or something false from the get-go because the source made it up for some sadistic reason.

There's no way to prove or disprove these things unless:

a) it happens
b) we gain the ability to read minds of any and all involved with said information

Understandably, you want fans to be hopeful and optimistic that CoX will be saved/ that Plan Z will be everything they want it to be/ that NCSoft/Nexon and other baddies will get their just desserts but please, please understand that there are lots of "what ifs"  that could absolutely crush those possibilities. So be careful with what you say and how you say it.

Heh, that's just it though, while A_F agreed with other naysayers, A_F's grievances stem back to years before SaveCoH even existed. "Where was Titan when the devs did (insert atrocious change here)." Basically saying it was hypocritical for Titan to run SaveCoH when it wasn't there to save the game when it could have been by, for instance, having a torch rally when the game-breaking PvP changes happened. And yes, lack of action during these past events were cited as actual reasons for being opposed to the campaign. That's crazy talk. Is it possible it led to the game's death? Perhaps. But any one element of the game being changed doesn't affect everyone. The game shutting down, DOES.

It's like he was saying, "Because you didn't help me when my car broke down, don't even think of helping me rebuild my house that just got destroyed."
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Lily Barclay on November 26, 2012, 03:26:00 PM
http://games.on.net/2012/11/ten-lessons-that-other-mmo-developers-must-learn-from-the-death-of-city-of-heroes/
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Quinch on November 26, 2012, 03:32:40 PM
Heh, bit of an old player, innit? Someone should tell him travel powers are Lv4 now.  ;D
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: BryanSnowden on November 27, 2012, 08:28:58 AM
Seems to me to move the NCsoft Boycot to include anything connected to Nexon as well.

So much for Warface, though that's been looking increasingly sketchy for some time now...   :-\
I think that might mean Defiance is out too, but I could be mistaken about that one(?)  Although, being connected to "Syfy" has already put that game in the, "I'll believe it doesn't suck - and/or get canceled prematurely - when I see it" category.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Knightslayer on November 27, 2012, 08:35:42 AM
So much for Warface, though that's been looking increasingly sketchy for some time now...   :-\
I think that might mean Defiance is out too, but I could be mistaken about that one(?)  Although, being connected to "Syfy" has already put that game in the, "I'll believe it doesn't suck   and/or get canceled prematurely - when I see it" category.
Hmm? Defiance is from Trion Worlds, partnered with Syfy, yes.
Unless there is some Nexon connection to Trion, that I don't know about, I think you're safe.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: BryanSnowden on November 27, 2012, 09:24:17 AM
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Lily Barclay on November 27, 2012, 03:00:19 PM
http://oceanicgamer.com/2012/11/the-naked-gamer-the-day-the-heroes-left/
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Clave Dark 5 on November 29, 2012, 03:05:46 AM
Here's a story on CNN and Twitter we might get inn on:

http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/28/tech/social-media/twitter-women-gamers-mentors/index.html?hpt=hp_bn5
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Quinch on November 29, 2012, 03:29:48 AM
By pointing out War Witch's position as the lead dev in CoH? I say go for it.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on November 30, 2012, 05:31:51 PM
Dingdingding!

Titan rising:
http://www.dealspwn.com/plan-announce-heroes-villains-spiritual-successor-city-heroes-123043
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: NecrotechMaster on November 30, 2012, 05:34:39 PM
i think it will be a fantastic option if ncsoft decides to be non-negotiable with the coh IP
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: dwturducken on November 30, 2012, 06:48:40 PM
There was also this (http://www.incgamers.com/2012/11/community-driven-mmo-project-heroes-and-villains-now-underway/). I'm guessing Amanda is Golden Girl?  ;D
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: eabrace on November 30, 2012, 09:44:44 PM
Dingdingding!

Titan rising:
http://www.dealspwn.com/plan-announce-heroes-villains-spiritual-successor-city-heroes-123043
Just to make sure we're all on the same page here:  http://www.cohtitan.com/forum/index.php/topic,6450.0.html
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on December 01, 2012, 02:49:46 PM
http://kotaku.com/5964804/city-of-heroes-says-goodbye-forever-tonight
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: TimtheEnchanter on December 01, 2012, 06:22:41 PM
The dealspawn article is gone.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on December 01, 2012, 07:04:39 PM
http://kotaku.com/5964842/city-of-heroes-goes-out-with-a-roar-and-a-bang/gallery/1?utm_source=kotaku.com&utm_medium=recirculation&utm_campaign=recirculation
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Sekoia on December 02, 2012, 07:02:35 PM
FYI: I split out some posts raising concerns about Disney to a new thread since they were rather far off topic for this one:
http://www.cohtitan.com/forum/index.php/topic,6617.0.html
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: ladycat924 on December 03, 2012, 07:29:17 AM
http://lorehound.com/news/when-rejected-the-savecoh-campaign-looks-for-another/
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: mikoroshi on December 03, 2012, 09:51:24 AM
I've just submitted a 3,000 word editorial covering the shutdown to the NY Post's "Post Game Report" blog, which is run by my best friend.

I recap the general sequence of events leading up to the shutdown, touch on the sit-down protests in the AP's, the letter-writing and petition campaigns, celebrity dissatisfaction, personal stories from myself and members of my supergroup about why the game was important to us, and some thoughts I had while watching the actual shutdown process on Twitch.

It's going to go live late tonight (Monday 11/3) or early tomorrow.  I will edit this post to include the link.

Be forewarned, my friend gave it a read this morning and said, quote, "It hit me right in the feels."  And he's never played the game.  Manly tears may be shed.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: healix on December 03, 2012, 10:00:52 AM
I can't wait to read it!
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Quinch on December 03, 2012, 02:33:10 PM
I await it with baited breath. Shiny metal hooks and all.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on December 04, 2012, 07:26:11 PM
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-12-04-the-final-hours-of-city-of-heroes
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Globetrotter on December 04, 2012, 08:19:10 PM
It's up!


http://koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/biz/2012/12/602_126197.html
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Andy on December 04, 2012, 10:14:34 PM
It's up!


http://koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/biz/2012/12/602_126197.html

Shared on Facebook!
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: mikoroshi on December 04, 2012, 11:51:41 PM
My editorial is up on the Post:
http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/gamereport/watching_the_world_end_SYqLhSXugwTjmKCWAnVAbJ#axzz2E2rnNuBb
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Merseine on December 05, 2012, 12:12:29 AM
My editorial is up on the Post:
http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/gamereport/watching_the_world_end_SYqLhSXugwTjmKCWAnVAbJ#axzz2E2rnNuBb

Well done.  Will be posting on FB and LJ.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on December 05, 2012, 12:16:26 AM
http://i.massively.joystiq.com/2012/12/04/ncsoft-offices-undergoing-realignment/

Job losses on the cards? :-/
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: NecrotechMaster on December 05, 2012, 01:20:24 AM
http://i.massively.joystiq.com/2012/12/04/ncsoft-offices-undergoing-realignment/

Job losses on the cards? :-/

yep, looks like ncsoft is getting kicked in the nads twice today with bad PR
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: dwturducken on December 05, 2012, 02:56:43 AM
War Witch just posted this. The New York @#$%ing Post!

http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/gamereport/watching_the_world_end_SYqLhSXugwTjmKCWAnVAbJ#axzz2E8iEbN2e

Ok, it's a blog, but still...
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: TimtheEnchanter on December 05, 2012, 03:02:46 AM
Where the heck is Leandro posting all these pics?
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: eabrace on December 05, 2012, 03:07:51 AM
I've been seeing the pictures as he's posting them on Twitter.  Not sure if he's putting them somewhere else, too.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: mikoroshi on December 05, 2012, 03:27:40 AM
Where the heck is Leandro posting all these pics?

He actually sent them directly to me when I saw one of 'em and decided it was perfect for the article.  Don't worry, the video he's making with them is coming out soon (tm)
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: johnrobey on December 05, 2012, 09:30:21 AM
My editorial is up on the Post:
http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/gamereport/watching_the_world_end_SYqLhSXugwTjmKCWAnVAbJ#axzz2E2rnNuBb

Thank you!  It was very good to read this.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: dwturducken on December 05, 2012, 05:28:53 PM
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/12/05/wednesday-runaround-the-scarcity-of-deadpool/

It's just a blurb, but it's in Bleeding Cool.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: JetFlash on December 05, 2012, 10:15:47 PM
It's up on Slashdot:

http://games.slashdot.org/story/12/12/05/1844208/city-of-heroes-reaches-sunset-ncsoft-paying-the-price



EDIT:   Scooped!
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on December 06, 2012, 06:26:53 PM
http://www.incgamers.com/2012/12/fantasy-author-calls-city-of-heroes-closure-unethical/

Mercedes is certainly popular :)
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: dwturducken on December 06, 2012, 06:46:09 PM
Mild-Mannered Reporter is searching for purpose, too.

http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/12/05/a-mild-mannered-reporter-moving-forward-after-city-of-heroes/
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Dr Shadow on December 06, 2012, 10:02:32 PM
Mentioned in Chinese Game Magazine http://n.yam.com/gamedb/life/20121206/20121206034026.html
Guild Wars 2 will not save NCsoft? Ongoing layoffs and restructuring of North America.

NCsoft North America Seattle points has experienced its network game "City of Heroes" after closing the server issue, the company is currently under way within the new restructuring.

NCsoft Corporation denied the rumors of the imminent closure of its Seattle office, but at the same time recognize the influence of "City of Heroes" related services regarding the employees of many related posts so fired. Currently, not yet unclear NCsoft segment Seattle dismissal of the total number of employees, the future fate of the game's being developed is also unknown.

In October last year, NCsoft had experienced a staff dismissals, therefore significantly reducing the total number of employees of its many branches. NCSoft major reason for this new round of layoffs as compared to last year, this year's annual profit decreased 12% in the beginning of this year, NCsoft also had suffered a larger loss, and the company's share price in the beginning of this year, down half.



Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Vasarto on December 07, 2012, 07:32:11 AM
Mild-Mannered Reporter is searching for purpose, too.

http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/12/05/a-mild-mannered-reporter-moving-forward-after-city-of-heroes/

Yeah I am also thinking of moving to champions for a while. Especially after reading the article they wrote about cox.
But  I am still not giving up at all. Not by a long shot. I think I may have started to run out of ideas. Only thing I can think of is see if I can contact DCU and see what they think about Cox shutting down and maybe convince them if they could post news about their feelings towards that flagship of super hero titles going down.

Other than that I contacted so many as you guys had read. From NY Times to Local News paper and t.v channel and every relevant game magazine like GI.
All I can do is hope they contact me back sometime and wait for the Disney call back.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on December 07, 2012, 10:16:51 AM
A nice bit from Chella at Gaming industry.

http://www.gameindustry.com/editorial/item.asp?id=648

Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Dr Shadow on December 07, 2012, 01:16:10 PM
Now Gamer
http://www.nowgamer.com/features/1713297/city_of_heroes_the_final_hours.html
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Samuraiko on December 07, 2012, 04:42:15 PM
Now Gamer
http://www.nowgamer.com/features/1713297/city_of_heroes_the_final_hours.html

*smiles*

Got a nice thank-you note from the author for getting so many of the COH crowd in touch with him. Behold the power of Twitter...

And I got quoted! TWICE! :D

Michelle
aka
Samuraiko/Dark_Respite
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Technerdoc on December 07, 2012, 06:05:31 PM
Finally some attention in the german press from one of the bigger mags here...

http://www.gamestar.de/spiele/city-of-heroes/news/city_of_heroes,33777,3007445.html

This news is featuring the Korea Times, nothing new we already know so far. This articte was really importent and can't be ignored when even we brings news now about this. Just great.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: RandomUnicorn on December 07, 2012, 06:20:11 PM
Finally some attention in the german press from one of the bigger mags here...

http://www.gamestar.de/spiele/city-of-heroes/news/city_of_heroes,33777,3007445.html

This news is featuring the Korea Times, nothing new we already know so far. This articte was really importent and can't be ignored when even we brings news now about this. Just great.

I don't read German so if you have the time could you summarize the over all feeling  of the Comments readers are making?
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Dr Shadow on December 07, 2012, 07:19:24 PM
I don't read German so if you have the time could you summarize the over all feeling  of the Comments readers are making?
Copying the comments over (using translator )

habs never played, but the well is not yet properly pulped

ve Played it for a while and was pretty impressed.
Therefore, it would be a shame if it is scrapped completely and easily forgotten forever. Better to sell it and make a decent f2p game.

This is not the game that's always in advertising? . I've personally never played , if it's such a "Pay2win" game, then gladly send it. edit: Sorry, I was confused, my comment was referring to DC Universe. The "Superman" has irritated me.

I think Miss Lackey has to say everything that needed to be said.

NCSoft halt. After Auto Assault and Tabula Rasa now City of Heroes. Sad.

I do not understand why the games are closed, can not make open source.
The fans could host their own servers. I made ​​my the company yes then anyway with nothing more, so .....

Plays the ever else? When was the last time I looked about 2 years ago purely very little going on, they met little people. Makes me wonder, therefore, that the game does not yet

Posted by | Maleth |:
NCSoft halt. After Auto Assault and Tabula Rasa now City of Heroes. Sad.


Exteel and not to forget.
Best game ever.

On that occasion, they could sell the rights of Tabula Rasa and Auto Assault. For it would be interested to know other publishers

In the article, there is also the NC-Soft with the game one million doller 2.76 profit in the quarter and has made ​​this strategic decision is thus difficult to understand. Here, the game seems more like in the shadows in the U.S. but it was far more popular and better known. then they shall sell the rights but at least continue when it no longer fits into their concept. The way how this was handled by NC Soft is to understand at least not completely, and has helped to improve not just their reputation anyway was not always the best.

Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on December 07, 2012, 07:47:28 PM
Li'l bit from Penny Arcade.

http://penny-arcade.com/report/the-cut-article/players-rally-during-city-of-heroes-final-hours
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Technerdoc on December 07, 2012, 08:09:23 PM
The last comment was from me. The game didn't have much attention here, there was an german server "Zukunft", but this one was always very, very empty and so most people are wondering here that the game was runing 8 years. So someone must told them that other servers got much more people and the game was making profit...
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Atlantea on December 07, 2012, 08:23:19 PM
Now Gamer
http://www.nowgamer.com/features/1713297/city_of_heroes_the_final_hours.html

OH MY GOD... They used Cyberman 8's final salute screenshot!!!!   

Edit: Huh - I think the pic they used of the blank screen with the forcibly disconnected message might be mine too.

Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Atlantea on December 07, 2012, 09:02:27 PM
And I've left a somewhat lengthy comment on that news story thanking them and re-iterating some of my points from earlier posts.

Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Quinch on December 08, 2012, 05:09:01 PM
There's a CoH closure thread on the WoW forums, and unbelievably, it's a pretty positive one.

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/7273267891?page=1
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Atlantea on December 08, 2012, 09:31:27 PM
The opening poster's comment:   

...an MMO shutting down puts the player in the unusual situation of attending his own funeral; you play the role of the deceased and the survivor, and it's a sort of double-whammy when you know both what you've lost and what can never be revisited again.

That just... wow... That's spot on.

Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Vasarto on December 09, 2012, 01:57:06 AM
The opening poster's comment:   

...an MMO shutting down puts the player in the unusual situation of attending his own funeral; you play the role of the deceased and the survivor, and it's a sort of double-whammy when you know both what you've lost and what can never be revisited again.

That just... wow... That's spot on.

I am gonna have to save that quote somewhere.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: NecrotechMaster on December 09, 2012, 03:39:12 AM
fully agreed with that quote, its absolutely true

even though i would never play WoW, i do respect (some) of its players
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Quinch on December 11, 2012, 01:55:27 AM
A very nice writeup from DragonCon.

http://mmo.dragoncon.org/2012/12/06/ncsoft-vs-city-of-heroes/
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Knightslayer on December 11, 2012, 08:18:25 AM
There's a CoH closure thread on the WoW forums, and unbelievably, it's a pretty positive one.

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/7273267891?page=1
It's on the Wyrmrest Accord server forums, since it's one of the RP servers that probably explains the positive part.  ;D
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on December 11, 2012, 11:20:30 AM
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2019337/this-is-how-you-shut-down-your-mmos-servers-for-good-glitchs-graceful-exit.html

A mention for us, and something NC Soft should read.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: DrakeGrimm on December 11, 2012, 11:34:41 AM
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2019337/this-is-how-you-shut-down-your-mmos-servers-for-good-glitchs-graceful-exit.html

A mention for us, and something NC Soft should read.

...is it odd to shed tears for a game you never even heard of?

/me sighs.

I'm getting sentimental and emotional in my old age.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rotten Luck on December 11, 2012, 01:04:50 PM
I'm with you DrakeGrimm.  That one I wish had the advertisement it needed, I would have played if I had known it was there.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Segev on December 11, 2012, 03:20:12 PM
Holy cow, the switch of traditional greeting-signs from "hi" to "bye" on the penultimate day, while a touching gesture, would probably sting more than almost anything else. How small a change to be so...sad.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: BobMc on December 11, 2012, 05:12:10 PM
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2019337/this-is-how-you-shut-down-your-mmos-servers-for-good-glitchs-graceful-exit.html

A mention for us, and something NC Soft should read.

Wow!

Makes me sad for a game I never even heard of till CoH was closing, and the very classy way, including opening all accounts and "continuing to release content almost till the end".

The contrast between Glitch's and City's endings is so very painfully different.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: dwturducken on December 11, 2012, 07:25:44 PM
The difference may lie in how the development is structured in each case. With us, it was a subsidiary studio who all were dismissed on the day of the announcement. Perhaps Glitch was one of several games handled by the studio, so the devs involved were just adding things in their spare time while still working on their other games. I don't really know anything about them, but, yes, it sounds like they did a terrible thing in a really terrific way.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on December 11, 2012, 09:33:11 PM
http://www.dealspwn.com/time-heroes-community-thousands-abandoned-fought-123890

Our Mercedes in action at dealspwn. Its a great article - show it some love.

 http://www.mediumdifficulty.com/2012/12/11/ephemeral-existence-picking-up-the-pieces-of-city-of-heroes/

And our devs have their say at medium difficulty.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: NecrotechMaster on December 11, 2012, 11:15:50 PM
that article on mediumdifficulty giving us some of the devs thoughts started to make me teary eyed again
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: DrakeGrimm on December 12, 2012, 12:28:22 AM
Paragon and CoH got a mention in this article.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/12/11/20-studios-we-lost-in-2012
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: eabrace on December 12, 2012, 12:53:42 AM
And a video to go with that IGN article.

http://www.ign.com/videos/2012/12/11/game-studios-we-lost-in-2012
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: mikoroshi on December 12, 2012, 08:22:52 AM
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: dwturducken on December 12, 2012, 02:00:45 PM
I didn't see it on Champion, but I think most of the attention was on Virtue. I guess it depends on which instance of Atlas the observer was in. I know there were some harsh words for NCSoftcore throughout the evening.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Quinch on December 12, 2012, 02:12:15 PM
This is from a fan slash former player and not technically press, and a little bit on the oldish side, but...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cws8RWrv2k
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: TimtheEnchanter on December 12, 2012, 11:15:52 PM
I didn't see it on Champion, but I think most of the attention was on Virtue. I guess it depends on which instance of Atlas the observer was in. I know there were some harsh words for NCSoftcore throughout the evening.

... the 10 or so players who were able to get through the Virtue queue after the final mapserve attack only 10 minutes before shutdown?
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: dwturducken on December 13, 2012, 02:55:22 AM
OK. I can see where that would set one's nerve on edge.  :)
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Blitzwing on December 13, 2012, 07:08:26 PM
Wow!

Makes me sad for a game I never even heard of till CoH was closing, and the very classy way, including opening all accounts and "continuing to release content almost till the end".

The contrast between Glitch's and City's endings is so very painfully different.

...that...SONG...'Goodnight Groddle'....  *honestly cries*   :'(

That's how you take a bow, folks....

...those of you from Pinnacle will hopefully remember me as a nice guy, who never had an ill-word for anyone or anything...that song just pushed me over the edge into 'beside myself with rage' at NCSoft...now, it's -personal-...I have a few favors I think I'll be calling in....   >:(
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Globetrotter on December 14, 2012, 09:44:11 PM
Meta's Verse: Interview with Melissa Bianco and Matt Miller on City of Heroes - Dec 14, 2012

http://www.onrpg.com/MMO/City-of-Heroes/interview/Metas-Verse-Interview-with-Melissa-Bianco-and-Matt-Miller-on-City-of-Heroes?p=2


Heartbreaking!




/em Starts on dinner for tomorrow. Need to peel some onions.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Segev on December 14, 2012, 10:16:38 PM
And we STILL don't know why they wanted not just to stop running it, but to end it. We can guess, but we don't know, and we don't know if our guesses hit anywhere near the mark.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Atlantea on December 14, 2012, 10:40:13 PM
Meta's Verse: Interview with Melissa Bianco and Matt Miller on City of Heroes - Dec 14, 2012

http://www.onrpg.com/MMO/City-of-Heroes/interview/Metas-Verse-Interview-with-Melissa-Bianco-and-Matt-Miller-on-City-of-Heroes?p=2


Heartbreaking!




/em Starts on dinner for tomorrow. Need to peel some onions.


I left the following post there:


Quote
It is not over yet. Not by a long shot. The Save City of Heroes movement is still working hard to make a difference. We're in this for the long haul. If it takes another 10 years, we WILL bring City of Heroes back. One way or another.

We loved and still love the good folks at Paragon Studios and they are utterly blameless. If the core group of developers at Paragon reformed for a new project, we would INSTANTLY flock to it. But we're hoping that we can turn this around and make NCSoft see the light and sell the City of Heroes IP and code to a responsible party. And here's hoping that if that happens that the Paragon Studios people can come back under the aegis of a new publisher.

Never forget who is responsible - NCSoft.

NCsoft has closed 1/3 of all MMOs that have EVER been closed. They have locked down for themselves the title of "MMO Killer".

This closure did NOT HAVE TO HAPPEN. The reasons are STILL opaque. NCSoft still have NOT explained themselves. The other 4 closures before City of Heroes, they could at least drape the fig leaf of "well this game isn't profitable" over those shutdowns. Even the most hardcore fans of those games would understand that if a game isn't profitable and is losing money, then a company is not obligated to keep it running.

But that was NOT the case with City of Heroes. City of Heroes NEVER had an unprofitable quarter in the 8 years it was in operation! Not a single one! It was never going to be a WoW killer. But then - what is? It was a steady reliable source of income to the tune of millions of dollars per years.

Under what twisted "logic" does closing down this game make any sense at all? It makes no business sense, that's for certain.

And it certainly makes no Public relations sense. NCSoft's name is now ANATHEMA in the Western gaming market. They are justly reviled. And even now they are attempting to leverage a change of shell companies through stock purchases to obfuscate their ownership ties with their remaining western games.

http://www.reuters.com/finance...
http://www.reuters.com/finance...

In the future, Any game developer studio would be wise to steer WELL clear of NCSoft. They're 'business logic' is irrational at best and shady to near illegal at worst. And any stockholders should think about unloading their shares.

I want to wrap up my post here by taking a moment aside to make note of a caveat.

Arenanet, the makers of Guild Wars and Guild Wars 2, and Carbine, the developers of the game Wildstar, who are both owned by NCSoft, should not be considered to be the targets of the same wrath that is falling on the heads of their owners.

They are studios full of fine creative folks who love their games as much as Paragon Studios loved theirs. If anything, we have every sympathy for them, because if the axe falls again, it will almost certainly fall on Carbine first, and then Arenanet. And if anything, many of the people in the Save COH movement are beginning to consider that our fight may become their fight as well. If nothing else, perhaps the outcry over City of Heroes will keep them safe a little longer.


Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: johnrobey on December 15, 2012, 05:57:18 AM
Meta's Verse: Interview with Melissa Bianco and Matt Miller on City of Heroes - Dec 14, 2012

http://www.onrpg.com/MMO/City-of-Heroes/interview/Metas-Verse-Interview-with-Melissa-Bianco-and-Matt-Miller-on-City-of-Heroes?p=2


Heartbreaking!




/em Starts on dinner for tomorrow. Need to peel some onions.

I'm always glad to read what the devs have to say.  Thanks for posting the link in this thread, or I might have missed reading that article.   :)
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Quinch on December 15, 2012, 05:05:04 PM
Another article, this time from a ReadWrite contributor.

http://readwrite.com/2012/12/04/a-eulogy-for-city-of-heroes-how-a-video-game-saved-my-life
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Quinch on December 18, 2012, 02:36:11 AM
While not directly CoH-related;

NCsoft set to crush Blizzard  (http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/tech/2012/12/134_113282.html) - with Bits and Tits.
Who do they think they're fooling? I've added my 150 characters to the comments, bringing up Tabula Rasa, but I'd suggest everyone adding their own two cents as well.

Edit: Aaannnnd that's an article from June. Nevermind!
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: dwturducken on December 18, 2012, 02:45:00 AM
Meh. Maybe the sales in Asia will be enough to contend with Diablo, but I don't see them suggesting that it's a WoW-killer.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Victoria Victrix on December 18, 2012, 04:25:41 AM
Meh. Maybe the sales in Asia will be enough to contend with Diablo, but I don't see them suggesting that it's a WoW-killer.

You know, given that it is the Korean Times...and they do not much seem to like NCSoft...could this be a case of running the press release and then sitting back and waiting for the inevitable crash?
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Knightslayer on December 18, 2012, 07:57:20 AM
While not directly CoH-related;

NCsoft set to crush Blizzard  (http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/tech/2012/12/134_113282.html) - with Bits and Tits.
Who do they think they're fooling? I've added my 150 characters to the comments, bringing up Tabula Rasa, but I'd suggest everyone adding their own two cents as well.
Err, I should point out the date on that article (unless I'm mistaken it dates back to 06/18).
And yes, for a while it surpassed Diablo 3 back in Korea IIRC.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Quinch on December 18, 2012, 04:19:06 PM
Oh, for the luvva... that's what I get for not checking.

-goes to edit post-
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: dwturducken on December 18, 2012, 04:36:37 PM
Don't feel bad. I usually check dates, too, but I missed it on this one.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: dwturducken on December 18, 2012, 05:19:14 PM
Busy day, so I may have missed someone already posting this.

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/loadNews/26340/Livestream-QA-with-Matt-Positron-Miller

ASSEMBLE!

;)
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Jonfan on December 19, 2012, 12:21:33 AM
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on December 20, 2012, 08:49:43 AM
http://www.tentonhammer.com/node/246959/page/3

We got community of the year!
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on December 20, 2012, 10:11:33 PM
http://mobile.theverge.com/2012/12/20/3776210/electric-funeral-death-of-mmo

This one's good.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: dwturducken on December 21, 2012, 05:58:38 AM
"The game's thriving forums" (sic) links here. <warm fuzzy>
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Mister Bison on December 21, 2012, 10:16:54 AM
<warm fuzzy>
(https://images.weserv.nl/?url=i2.kym-cdn.com%2Fentries%2Ficons%2Foriginal%2F000%2F002%2F252%2Fme-gusta.jpg)
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Perfidus on December 22, 2012, 11:07:18 PM
http://www.destructoid.com/remembering-studios-that-closed-in-2012-240928.phtml

A little blurb about the closing of Paragon Studios. I've already informed him of what (so far as we know) happened to the gang, since he mentioned he had no clue what actually happened to the employees of Paragon.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Terwyn on December 23, 2012, 04:53:19 AM
You know, given that it is the Korean Times...and they do not much seem to like NCSoft...could this be a case of running the press release and then sitting back and waiting for the inevitable crash?

As in deliberately choosing all the right words for the wrong reasons?

Classic propaganda/psychological warfare tactic, if so.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Lily Barclay on December 29, 2012, 12:15:53 AM
http://i.massively.joystiq.com/2012/12/28/city-of-heroes-fan-videos-pay-tribute-to-the-games-legacy/
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: ukaserex on December 30, 2012, 03:30:33 AM
I think I've got to thank YouTube.

I came across this video - and as far as I know, it's the first player created video. Makes me a mite nostalgic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGB8K6TyslU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGB8K6TyslU)
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Perfidus on December 30, 2012, 03:58:20 AM
Oh, -wow-... I remember this video! Memories.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on December 30, 2012, 10:13:44 PM
http://news.mmosite.com/content/2012-12-28/city_of_heroes_fans_released_videos_paying_tribute_to_the_games_legacy.shtml?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

(Beware of the unicorns. )

and:

http://n4g.com/news/1146682/emotional-city-of-heroes-tribute-videos-created-by-fans

Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on January 01, 2013, 12:55:54 PM
http://lorehound.com/news/savecoh-campaign-applauds-new-ncsoft-subsidiary/

Lorehound show us some love. Show some back!
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: johnrobey on January 02, 2013, 10:43:34 PM
Thanks, Rae!  I needed to take a couple of days away from Titan but I'm back in the game, so to speak, and happy to thank these fine folks for publishing articles about City of Heroes.  Done, and almost done.   :)
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: johnrobey on January 02, 2013, 10:56:57 PM
http://lorehound.com/news/savecoh-campaign-applauds-new-ncsoft-subsidiary/

Lorehound show us some love. Show some back!

For some reason I can't get that page to load.   :(
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: houtex on January 03, 2013, 02:41:11 AM
I think I've got to thank YouTube.

I came across this video - and as far as I know, it's the first player created video. Makes me a mite nostalgic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGB8K6TyslU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGB8K6TyslU)

Ok, this was *Hilarious*!  :D  Just had to comment on that.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: eabrace on January 03, 2013, 07:52:41 PM
The dancing Freakshow were always my favorite part of that video.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on January 03, 2013, 10:56:31 PM
For some reason I can't get that page to load.   :(

I get problems with that site sometimes. Always comes back though.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: johnrobey on January 04, 2013, 12:13:39 AM
I get problems with that site sometimes. Always comes back though.

Thanks, I'll keep trying. 
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Lily Barclay on January 04, 2013, 02:53:53 PM
http://i.massively.joystiq.com/2013/01/04/the-daily-grind-what-was-the-mmo-screw-up-of-the-year/

We're listed. Comment on this.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Quinch on January 04, 2013, 03:41:20 PM
Alrighty, posted (http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/01/04/the-daily-grind-what-was-the-mmo-screw-up-of-the-year/#lf_comment=50327382).
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Quinch on January 04, 2013, 03:43:02 PM
And some good bad schadenfreude news from Korea Times.

http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/biz/2013/01/350_87432.html
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on January 04, 2013, 03:47:27 PM
http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/3/feature/7015/City-of-Heroes-Profitable-or-Not.html

This one FINALLY got a response from NC Soft.
I'm expecting some shouting.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Lily Barclay on January 04, 2013, 05:08:22 PM
http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/3/feature/7015/City-of-Heroes-Profitable-or-Not.html

This one FINALLY got a response from NC Soft.
I'm expecting some shouting.

Just was going to link this. Wow. Can of worms opened. Someone's lying. Why do I think it isn't Paragon? This link needs its own thread. Also... Now I'm incredibly ticked at NCSoft all over again.

Edit: ha ha you started the new thread while I was posting. Score.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Quinch on January 04, 2013, 05:11:12 PM
Suggestion: Edit post to include link to thread?

Rikti talk: Unintentional.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Andy on January 04, 2013, 07:04:47 PM
Suggestion: Edit post to include link to thread?

Rikti talk: Unintentional.

Ha! That cheered me up. Thanks, Quinch. :)
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: johnrobey on January 04, 2013, 08:56:18 PM
http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/3/feature/7015/City-of-Heroes-Profitable-or-Not.html

This one FINALLY got a response from NC Soft.
I'm expecting some shouting.
Thanks, Rae!  Added my shout there.   8)
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: johnrobey on January 04, 2013, 09:10:24 PM
I get problems with that site sometimes. Always comes back though.

I finally got to post a comment there:  LOL 3 days and multiple attempts. 
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: johnrobey on January 04, 2013, 09:17:41 PM
And some good bad schadenfreude news from Korea Times.

http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/biz/2013/01/350_87432.html

Having read the MMORPG - CoH profitability thread and the original article, I'm angry enough at NCSoft to actually feel glad this is happening to them.  I try not to wish ill will towards any but atm I'd be happy for them to figuratively crash-and-burn and fall into the sea.   >:(
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Technerdoc on January 05, 2013, 12:09:04 AM
A big german gaming mag, the PC-Games ask the community about the games of the year and one point there was also the publisher of the year. I can't belive it that NC-Soft was on the first place there. Something is going wrong in the gaming industry when such a boring game like Guild Wars 2 have such an effect, but maybe it's just me.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Quinch on January 05, 2013, 03:54:18 AM
Annd it's been picked up by Massively. Awesomeness!

http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/01/04/anonymous-source-sounds-off-on-city-of-heroes-profitability-ncs/
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Lily Barclay on January 05, 2013, 05:03:19 AM
http://www.incgamers.com/2013/01/paragon-studios-was-unprofitable-city-of-heroes-had-to-close-say-ncsoft/

Another outlet picked it up.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Perfidus on January 05, 2013, 05:48:46 AM
Excellent. I especially like the skeptical tone that Massively covered it with.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: dwturducken on January 05, 2013, 06:02:51 AM
Massive;y has always been sympathetic, so no surprise, there. The comments are more telling. Thanks to Quinch and Company for getting in quick to set the record straight on the nay-sayers.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Perfidus on January 05, 2013, 06:43:01 AM
Well, there was that one update Massively had where they basically said 'don't come to us with your plights' and named SaveCoH more or less by name.

So this is a breath of fresh air from them, something to restore faith.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Lily Barclay on January 05, 2013, 08:52:36 AM
Well, there was that one update Massively had where they basically said 'don't come to us with your plights' and named SaveCoH more or less by name.

So this is a breath of fresh air from them, something to restore faith.

Actually, we've had tons of positive coverage since then. They are constantly dropping the good word for us.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Quinch on January 05, 2013, 01:44:50 PM
Another pick-me-up on the story, this time from Ten Ton Hammer.

http://www.tentonhammer.com/coh/news/ncsoft-responds-to-anonymous-source-on-coh-profitability
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on January 05, 2013, 02:51:42 PM
And here:

 http://adingworld.wordpress.com/2013/01/05/ncsoft-and-paragon-studios/
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Little Green Frog on January 05, 2013, 05:28:12 PM
Also here:

http://www.incgamers.com/2013/01/paragon-studios-was-unprofitable-city-of-heroes-had-to-close-say-ncsoft/

This article differs from the others as it only deals with the statement from NCsoft and trying to draw what I feel to be questionable conclusions from it.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Lily Barclay on January 05, 2013, 06:10:06 PM
Also here:

http://www.incgamers.com/2013/01/paragon-studios-was-unprofitable-city-of-heroes-had-to-close-say-ncsoft/

This article differs from the others as it only deals with the statement from NCsoft and trying to draw what I feel to be questionable conclusions from it.

I already linked that one. ;D
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Little Green Frog on January 05, 2013, 06:26:07 PM
I already linked that one. ;D

Oops, somehow missed it. Sorry!
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Lily Barclay on January 06, 2013, 07:56:11 PM
http://www.jeuxonline.info/actualite/38499/rentabilite-city-of-heroes-ncsoft-explique

http://www.bug.hr/master/vijesti/city-of-heroes-bio-profitabilan/120977.aspx

Some international pick ups.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Atlantea on January 06, 2013, 11:47:45 PM
http://www.jeuxonline.info/actualite/38499/rentabilite-city-of-heroes-ncsoft-explique

http://www.bug.hr/master/vijesti/city-of-heroes-bio-profitabilan/120977.aspx

Some international pick ups.

YES!!

Hit em HARD, hit em FAST, and KEEP HITTING THEM.

It's going viral!

Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Quinch on January 07, 2013, 01:57:42 AM
Ooh, interesting, I didn't know Bug followed CoH. Chipped in with my own comment there.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Golden Ace on January 07, 2013, 02:00:32 AM
May NCSOFT burn in hell.

or at the very least get so unprofitable they have to break it up and sell everything. 

maybe then we can get coh back up and running.

Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Victoria Victrix on January 07, 2013, 02:02:43 AM
Ooh, interesting, I didn't know Bug followed CoH. Chipped in with my own comment there.

You are probably the only person here who COULD chip in with a comment, Quinch.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Blitzwing on January 07, 2013, 03:35:25 AM
YES!!

Hit em HARD, hit em FAST, and KEEP HITTING THEM.

It's going viral!

Agreed...not only do we KNOW there's shenanigans afoot there involving NCSoft, but we assuredly have them on the defensive....

Just my opinion, but, at this point, it's time to say 'screw whatever they think they can do to us', and open up with every remaining gun we've got...there's blood in the water, ladies and gentlemen...time to FINISH this.   >:(

...if anyone's got any proverbial nukes left in the arsenal...let 'em fly!!
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: srmalloy on January 09, 2013, 05:26:18 PM
May NCSOFT burn in hell.

NCSoft will never burn in hell... Not even the Devil could get EPA permission to release that much pollution into the atmosphere, even in hell.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Mr. Wentworth on January 09, 2013, 06:50:24 PM
Another pick-me-up on the story, this time from Ten Ton Hammer.

http://www.tentonhammer.com/coh/news/ncsoft-responds-to-anonymous-source-on-coh-profitability

I really loved the breakdown you gave in your comment, Quinch. Who exactly would make suitable custodians of COH, if not the development team itself?
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on January 10, 2013, 06:44:43 PM
http://i.massively.joystiq.com/2013/01/10/a-mild-mannered-reporter-extra-interviews-with-champions-online/

CO on the closure of COH, and an interview with The Phoenix Project
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Lily Barclay on January 17, 2013, 12:38:42 AM
http://i.massively.joystiq.com/2013/01/16/a-mild-mannered-reporter-how-superheroes-died-and-why-its-good/

Awesome edition of Mild Mannered Reporter. This may need its own thread.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: NecrotechMaster on January 17, 2013, 01:00:04 AM
http://i.massively.joystiq.com/2013/01/16/a-mild-mannered-reporter-how-superheroes-died-and-why-its-good/

Awesome edition of Mild Mannered Reporter. This may need its own thread.

yeah, very good read, although many of the comments are complaining that we are just whiners and think we should move on

whenever i read those it kind of infuriates me because its mostly likely they never had to experience a game shut down, or didnt have any attachments to a game that was shut down

it almost makes me wish that some game they really enjoy gets yanked for absolutely no reason or completely BS reasons so they would be able to know what its like
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on January 24, 2013, 11:32:27 AM
http://www.parablegames.net/site/2013/01/post-mortem-city-of-heroes-city-of-villains/
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Profit on January 24, 2013, 12:22:05 PM
Some the writers facts are wrong. He says that Marvel and "Paragon Studios" were working together on a Marvel MMO.

But other than that, standard stuff.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: johnrobey on January 24, 2013, 07:43:44 PM
Wow!  Thank you, Rae, Quinch, LGF (Little Green Frog), Lily, et al for these links!!  It's really heartening to read these and know that others into MMORPG are discussing this.  Whether NCSoft (and others) has the wit (read: intelligence) to keep abreast of this, I don't know.  I feel that NCSoft upper management is not only insular but rather disconnected even from their field and presumed area of expertise. (Yes, I know my gift for stating the obvious is rarely matched. *pokes fun at self*)  Have a great day!!   ;D
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: johnrobey on January 24, 2013, 07:47:29 PM
Agreed...not only do we KNOW there's shenanigans afoot there involving NCSoft, but we assuredly have them on the defensive....

Just my opinion, but, at this point, it's time to say 'screw whatever they think they can do to us', and open up with every remaining gun we've got...there's blood in the water, ladies and gentlemen...time to FINISH this.   >:(

...if anyone's got any proverbial nukes left in the arsenal...let 'em fly!!

You sayin' it's time to use the 'nades and acids from the Lambda Sector Incarnate trials?   ;)
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: johnrobey on January 24, 2013, 08:01:50 PM
http://www.parablegames.net/site/2013/01/post-mortem-city-of-heroes-city-of-villains/
I really like Sam Connolly's article tho I don't see an easy way to add a comment thanking him, or to note that Going Rogue also allowed for Villains to redeem themselves; in fact, I had many friends experience via G.R. the "fall of a hero" and his/her subsequent redemption.  I'd never gotten around to experiencing this for myself, despite having a copious number of characters.  Thank for you the article link, Rae!   :)

P.S.  Thank-you also to those posting the CoH articles written in French.  We may not be viral but we're global!   ;)
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Quinch on January 25, 2013, 03:03:31 AM
A sort of a roundabout connection from the great folks at Massively - an article about CoH articles.

http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/01/24/ask-massively-we-dont-need-another-hero/
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Victoria Victrix on January 25, 2013, 04:45:38 AM
http://www.parablegames.net/site/2013/01/post-mortem-city-of-heroes-city-of-villains/

Can't even get the most basic of facts straight.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: johnrobey on January 25, 2013, 08:33:06 AM
Can't even get the most basic of facts straight.

Which facts were misreported?  I started CoH play 5/2010, playing essentially non-stop (practically daily, nightly too for many hours) until game shutdown.  The facts reported, e.g. City of Heroes beginning 8 months prior to the initial launch of World of Warcraft and other facts accord with what I've read and retained from what longtime fans and players have reported here on Titan and other forums.  Mr. Connolly notes the uniqueness of the Character Creator - as so many of us have noted here and other forums.  He provides subscription numbers during the life of CoH, numbers I've not seen reported before (or if so, do not recall.)  CoV was well established when I started under Issue 15; I'd not read/heard prior to his article http://www.parablegames.net/site/2013/01/post-mortem-city-of-heroes-city-of-villains/ that CoV characters max'ed out at level 40 initially, even when the max for Hero characters/blueside avatars was 50.  I am merely curious about the facts which are in error, but do not wish V.V. or anyone to take time from more pressing matters to satisfy my curiosity in this matter (e.g. urging Stephen Colbert's Colbert Nation to champion our cause.)

Quoting the source article:  " ...what it did have was a plethora of interesting and novel features as well as a decent standalone identity in a world, where the MMO market mostly consisted of sword and spells RPG archtypes" and "All that aside the closure notice was met with quite a vocal backlash from the active community of the game and those who loved it, protests were staged in the games major city in Atlas Park under the statue of one of the games flagship characters. Players petitioned and pleaded with NCSoft not to shut down the title and even went so far as to raise money to treat everyone who worked for Paragon out for dinner." and "City of Heroes was a unique game in a very competitive market, not only did it stray away from the comfort of the swords and spells RPG but it attempted to do things its own way, whilst that way may not have been for everyone in a game marketplace where the WoW model was considered the most suitable and most profitable it managed to stay alive, and much longer than most games these days do before shutting down. With 42 million characters created and a lot of game time logged for some people, this is a title that will obviously be missed by some."  Okay, he could have omitted that concluding "by some" to just "obviously be missed" IMO, but overall I feel Mr. Connolly accurately captured and told our story and saga.  /em holdtorch
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: johnrobey on January 25, 2013, 08:42:44 AM
A sort of a roundabout connection from the great folks at Massively - an article about CoH articles.

http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/01/24/ask-massively-we-dont-need-another-hero/

Agreed, Quinch, and YAY! Massively not only for that article in its entirety but especially this: "don't presume to dictate the terms of other people's mourning by instructing them to "get over it already." It's probably bad form to add insult to injury by telling them their grief is fake, too, and that you wish more grief upon a couple hundred thousand other fellow gamers.  Because that would be pathetic."  IMO, there's no "probably" about the bad form implicit in telling another that grief and grieving for City of Heroes is in any way fake.  Besides, we know otherwise.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Absolute on January 25, 2013, 09:27:13 AM
Which facts were misreported?

Victoria (I would assume) posted in the comments section of the link if you check it out.

I would have pointed out that the writer lists a 200k population as our lowest point when that's a bit closer to our highest ever.

I'm not sure where he got the 500k figure from.

I understand the F2P hybrid model made it difficult to accurately weigh the amount of players left, but many people thought that over 80k was probably exaggeration of the population (albeit mostly a strong player base to keep the game profitable).
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: johnrobey on January 25, 2013, 09:40:18 AM
Victoria (I would assume) posted in the comments section of the link if you check it out.

I would have pointed out that the writer lists a 200k population as our lowest point when that's a bit closer to our highest ever.

I'm not sure where he got the 500k figure from.

I understand the F2P hybrid model made it difficult to accurately weigh the amount of players left, but many people thought that over 80k was probably exaggeration of the population (albeit mostly a strong player base to keep the game profitable).
Thank you!  This was entirely my oversight.  Thanks!
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Victoria Victrix on January 25, 2013, 10:29:39 AM
Victoria (I would assume) posted in the comments section of the link if you check it out.

I would have pointed out that the writer lists a 200k population as our lowest point when that's a bit closer to our highest ever.

I'm not sure where he got the 500k figure from.

I understand the F2P hybrid model made it difficult to accurately weigh the amount of players left, but many people thought that over 80k was probably exaggeration of the population (albeit mostly a strong player base to keep the game profitable).

At the high point in the game it had about 500k according to my sources at Paragon.  Also according to those sources, at shutdown we were operating with about 100k, a bit up from a low of 80k before F2P.  Of those 100k, 40k were subscription, 40k were Freemium and 20k were F2P.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: eabrace on January 25, 2013, 10:54:20 AM
Which facts were misreported?
The parts that immediately jumped out at me were when he mentioned things like Paragon working on the Marvel MMO.  He seems to be very confused about what happened when Paragon split from Cryptic and who was working on what after the split.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Blitzwing on January 25, 2013, 10:38:23 PM
You sayin' it's time to use the 'nades and acids from the Lambda Sector Incarnate trials?   ;)

Hmm...not a bad idea....   8)

But seriously, we have them entirely on the defensive, their stock is going down faster than a bad French souffle, and I wouldn't be the slightest bit surprised if Wildstar is d.o.a...we have them right where we want them...it'd be folly to NOT try and finish them off in one fell swoop!
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rotten Luck on January 26, 2013, 12:22:30 AM
I always tell people who say "It's just a game" I say "Star wars just a movie."  I'm not trying to save a game, I'm trying to save a franchise.  Am updated to address "it's old", City of Heroes 2 were destroyed, no more comics (often showing a comic), Nothing it as if everything Star Wars would be locked away for good.  I'm not fighting to save a Game, I'm fighting to save the IP the franchise that could do so much more then one single game.

Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: dwturducken on January 26, 2013, 12:51:39 AM
http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/01/24/ask-massively-we-dont-need-another-hero/

Another great article from the folks at Massively. Not a huge display of love in the comments...
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: P51mus on January 26, 2013, 01:39:09 AM
At the high point in the game it had about 500k according to my sources at Paragon.  Also according to those sources, at shutdown we were operating with about 100k, a bit up from a low of 80k before F2P.  Of those 100k, 40k were subscription, 40k were Freemium and 20k were F2P.

I had fairly recently, within a few months, gotten a friend to play the game before it was canceled and she was enjoying it (F2P).  I was thinking of paying for something for her so she'd have more access to stuff, but then the game ended.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: NecrotechMaster on January 26, 2013, 01:39:35 AM
http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/01/24/ask-massively-we-dont-need-another-hero/

Another great article from the folks at Massively. Not a huge display of love in the comments...

bit late to the punch lol, look towards top of page, quinch posted that article yesterday lol
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: dwturducken on January 26, 2013, 02:55:30 PM
bit late to the punch lol, look towards top of page, quinch posted that article yesterday lol

Sorry. I wish I could say I'm usually better about that, but it does seem to be happening more, lately. It was a very busy day for me yesterday, I guess. :)
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Quinch on January 26, 2013, 02:56:57 PM
Heh, don't worry about it.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Absolute on January 27, 2013, 05:25:17 AM
At the high point in the game it had about 500k according to my sources at Paragon.  Also according to those sources, at shutdown we were operating with about 100k, a bit up from a low of 80k before F2P.  Of those 100k, 40k were subscription, 40k were Freemium and 20k were F2P.


Wow, thank you very much for those numbers.

I've got a question: Was 80k subscribers more profitable than 40k subscribers + online store?

If that were so, the game was much more alive than I thought. Having the equivalent to 100k+ subscribers is kind of a big deal. I would definitely spread that around. "Profitable" is one thing, "+100k players and profitable" is another (If that were the case).
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Quinch on January 27, 2013, 05:29:18 AM
The answer is... maybe. Short version, while the revenue reports show the equivalent of 60K subscribers, VV's sources also pointed to some very fuzzy math when it came to accounting and where purchased points were attributed.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: NecrotechMaster on January 27, 2013, 05:54:58 AM
according to the devs, they were bringing in a LOT more money once they switched to the hybrid model

as been said before the game itself was definitely profitable, but ncsoft was prolly putting extra strain on paragon studios with the super sekrit extra project that went nowhere plus prolly filtering off GW2 expenses on to them as well

the game had enough to support itself, but didnt have such a super huge profit margin that it could support all the extra weight
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on February 13, 2013, 12:33:45 PM
COH has made the 2013 MMO Hall of Fame:

http://www.gamenguide.com/articles/5183/20130212/runescape-city-heroes-join-mmo-hall-fame.htm
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Quinch on February 13, 2013, 02:18:01 PM
Chipped in a comment.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Nyghtshade on February 14, 2013, 03:08:17 AM
COH has made the 2013 MMO Hall of Fame:

http://www.gamenguide.com/articles/5183/20130212/runescape-city-heroes-join-mmo-hall-fame.htm

I posted that to the NCSoft Facebook pages, along with a remark about how great a shame it is NCSoft shut down a game that is still continuing to receive acclaim in the MMO communities.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Perfidus on February 14, 2013, 07:51:20 AM
Kind of funny that City of Villains made the hall of fame in 2005, but City of Heroes makes it in 2013.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: NecrotechMaster on February 14, 2013, 09:22:52 AM
heh, honestly ive always kind of considered them one of the same game, even though they were technically seperate originally
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: johnrobey on February 14, 2013, 01:40:55 PM
COH has made the 2013 MMO Hall of Fame:

http://www.gamenguide.com/articles/5183/20130212/runescape-city-heroes-join-mmo-hall-fame.htm
Thanks, Rae.  I'll post this to SG guildportal.com pages for other fans of CoH to see.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on February 21, 2013, 08:23:11 AM
http://i.massively.joystiq.com/2013/02/20/a-mild-mannered-reporter-the-rocky-road-ahead-for-city-revivals/
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: johnrobey on February 21, 2013, 08:40:36 AM
http://i.massively.joystiq.com/2013/02/20/a-mild-mannered-reporter-the-rocky-road-ahead-for-city-revivals/
That was a nice read, Rae, that otherwise would have escaped my notice.  I kinda even like his skeptical well-wishes  :)
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Waffles on March 08, 2013, 12:14:42 AM
Kind of funny that City of Villains made the hall of fame in 2005, but City of Heroes makes it in 2013.

Us villains will never stop getting the hate, while all you blue fools get all the credit >:(

Brb. Killing counci- wait, FUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: johnrobey on March 08, 2013, 08:03:17 PM
LOL, Waffles!  Yeah, sometimes heroism ain't just for heroes.  Even the Rikti learned to respect not just super heroes but also the Bwahaha Magnificent Villains!!!!!

Crossing a hero may get you in trouble and some jail time, but crossing a villain often has more permanent repercussions.   :P
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: dwturducken on April 01, 2013, 02:06:01 PM
Not specifically for us, but the comments are already showing a lot of CoH love.

http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/04/01/the-daily-grind-which-mmo-has-that-indefinable-it/
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Illusionss on April 07, 2013, 12:27:12 PM
http://i.massively.joystiq.com/2013/02/20/a-mild-mannered-reporter-the-rocky-road-ahead-for-city-revivals/

Well, its the usual "I dont think this is gonna work."

If you listen to this mindset, nothing anywhere will get done ever. Why do anything? It might fail. It might succeed, but it MIGHT fail. So let's do nothing instead.

<<sigh of annoyance>>

I would think anything NOT part of the general fantasy-themed MMORPG juggernaut might get interest from players. There is basically one thing out there: fantasy MMOs, with the odd EVEOnline and CO thrown in for variety. Are we the only ones sick and tired of this one flavor? Really?....??

Quote
Crossing a hero may get you in trouble and some jail time, but crossing a villain often has more permanent repercussions.


Sig-worthy, baby.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Rae on April 10, 2013, 04:28:28 PM
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/189896/behind_the_scenes_of_the_paragon_.php
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Technerdoc on April 10, 2013, 04:56:17 PM
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/189896/behind_the_scenes_of_the_paragon_.php

Even in german, I was surprised...

http://www.4players.de/4players.php/spielinfonews/PC-CDROM/1947/2130958/City_of_Heroes_Freedom|Waere_beinahe_gerettet_worden.html
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Perfidus on April 11, 2013, 01:30:27 AM
A heartbreaking read.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: WildFire15 on April 11, 2013, 08:35:05 AM
Kotaku's (http://kotaku.com/city-of-heroes-studio-fought-to-the-bitter-end-to-save-472215751) even picked up the story
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: NecrotechMaster on April 11, 2013, 05:38:01 PM
definitely a lot of coh news floating around

it does suck that the studio was on the edge of a buyout but things just didnt work out
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: dwturducken on April 12, 2013, 12:09:44 AM
Tony actually just started a new thread (http://www.cohtitan.com/forum/index.php/topic,8242.0.html) about a new article from OnRPG.com. Ironically, it's a piece on how there's suddenly all this talk about CoH, again. :)
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Profit on April 15, 2013, 11:27:13 PM
This isn't exactly COH related, but it kinda is.

http://kotaku.com/we-need-better-video-game-publishers-472880781
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: TimtheEnchanter on April 15, 2013, 11:33:10 PM
This isn't exactly COH related, but it kinda is.

http://kotaku.com/we-need-better-video-game-publishers-472880781

Notes can be posted on that image. Just sayin'  8)
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: JaguarX on April 15, 2013, 11:45:21 PM
Notes can be posted on that image. Just sayin'  8)

I read that story in that link and some how it all sounds strangely familiar. Very familiar. 8)
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: TimtheEnchanter on April 16, 2013, 12:15:23 AM
I read that story in that link and some how it all sounds strangely familiar. Very familiar. 8)

I had been thinking that after things quieted down, perhaps Titan should broaden and become some kind of advocacy group with this purpose in mind.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: JaguarX on April 16, 2013, 12:17:12 AM
I had been thinking that after things quieted down, perhaps Titan should broaden and become some kind of advocacy group with this purpose in mind.
my thoughts exactly.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Segev on April 16, 2013, 12:51:43 PM
This is actually not a problem exclusive to game publishers, from what I've seen. While I tend to be very pro-business, and even pro-big-business, there is a culture and class that have evolved in the last half-century that are trained to do nothing but "manage business." These are the guys who go to a big-name college (often of a politico-economic persuasion that is openly hostile to private enterprise, which always fascinates me that people who graduate from these would WANT to go into business), are talented at networking in the business world, and learned enough about how to structure a contract to make short-term windfalls based on killing geese that lay the golden eggs in order to sell the rare meat once. They then cash in that contract, pat themselves on the back for raising stock values in the short-term, and get hired at the next job with a bigger salary, promising to make the next company equally suddenly-more-successful.

Their reputation never seems to include the mess they leave behind as the company suffers under its new leadership. New leadership which promptly blames the old (correctly), but takes the same sorts of actions to shore things up and take credit for the short-term "savings."

The problem, even amongst the honest ones who think they're doing the company a favor by streamlining costs and cutting fat, etc., is that they don't bother to know the business nor the industry. They know a balance sheet, and they know just enough of the lingo of the actual industry to be dangerous. My grandfather worked for an extremely successful power plant construction company, and was the head guy in charge of about a half dozen plants (ranging from coal to nuclear). They were known for being on time and on budget, consistently, for 70+ years. Then, the son of the owner hired managers from this sort of school of business. They didn't do much harm at first, but they got to the point where a plant was finished being built, and saw that only 80% of the budget had been spent.

They congratulated the company and each other on how efficiently they'd managed it, and proceeded to assign bonuses to themselves based on that 20% of the budget being left.

Problem is, as anybody in the industry could have told them, that the plant construction is only about 80% of the work. There are still six months of extensive and expensive tests to be done. Because of these management types who knew not the industry, for the first time, the company had to take out a loan to finish the job.

These people weren't fired. I don't know the mechanism used to make it not their fault, but they continued to be a drain on the company until a few years ago, when they finally were let go.

From this article, it sounds like the problem with these game publishers is even worse: they have pretensions to artistry. Without being willing to enmesh themselves in the game, and get into the details to appreciate it from the ground up and from the top all the way down into the sub-basements alongside the developer, they seem to think their marketing expertise and money management skills somehow make them better able to design than the experts they're paying to do the design.

What one commenter to that article said is very accurate: the publisher SHOULD be doing marketing for the game the developer makes, not telling the developer to make the game to suit their marketing. The money is, however, flowing the way it should: out of the hands of the incompetent publishers and into other areas. Sadly, it takes time and is not without pain to the wrong people - the developers who get blamed because they signed contracts that for some reason gag them. (Not faulting them; I am sure those reasons are good; I just know I'd want more of a partnership with any investor trying to make "my" game a success, because while I trust people to a point, I don't tend to trust people where my livelihood is at stake. And that might drive me to take less money in what I view as the short run of the next five years in order to make something that I think will stand much more strongly and make me and my partners a lot more money over the next 15.)

At the Phoenix Project, we're working really hard to work together, as a team, with input up and down the chain being as informed as possible about whys as well as what is going on, and why what can and can't be done can and can't be done. Because it is a partnership; even when a foot must come down on an issue (because sometimes, a choice just has to be made, and not by committee), we strive to make sure it comes down with full understanding of everything that choice means. (Admittedly, we're developer AND publisher, at the moment, with no particular prospects for an outside publisher. So we have not experienced the potential outside influence that could create. We will, if we are so fortunate as to get an offer of support from a publisher, be certain to make clear that we are not going to change design decisions on a whim, so...well, we'll see if any offers stay on the table after that. It's not that we'd turn it down nor begrudge a publisher making his money; it's that...well, we all just read that article. It would have to be a partnership, with marketing selling what our game is, not trying to alter it to fit marketing.)
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: johnrobey on April 16, 2013, 04:53:55 PM
Dear Segev,  I very much enjoyed reading everything you had to say here.  I can't add to the conversation, but feel i learned some, so Thank-You!!
Also best to you and the team at the Phoenix Project!!  With appreciation to you and the Heroes & Villains team.  Personally, i think both Projects Z are gonna be way fun to play!!   :)

Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Golden Girl on April 16, 2013, 06:54:43 PM
I had been thinking that after things quieted down, perhaps Titan should broaden and become some kind of advocacy group with this purpose in mind.

Anything that might help to run the corporate scum out of town would be a help - they've been polluting gaming for too long now.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: JetFlash on April 17, 2013, 05:38:39 PM
This is actually not a problem exclusive to game publishers, from what I've seen. While I tend to be very pro-business, and even pro-big-business, there is a culture and class that have evolved in the last half-century that are trained to do nothing but "manage business." These are the guys who go to a big-name college (often of a politico-economic persuasion that is openly hostile to private enterprise, which always fascinates me that people who graduate from these would WANT to go into business), are talented at networking in the business world, and learned enough about how to structure a contract to make short-term windfalls based on killing geese that lay the golden eggs in order to sell the rare meat once. They then cash in that contract, pat themselves on the back for raising stock values in the short-term, and get hired at the next job with a bigger salary, promising to make the next company equally suddenly-more-successful.


AKA an "MBA".  That little acronym has become a very, very dirty word in tech circles (and others I would suspect).
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: eabrace on April 17, 2013, 06:20:04 PM
AKA an "MBA".  That little acronym has become a very, very dirty word in tech circles (and others I would suspect).
True story, that.  When a coworker of mine handed his paperwork for education reimbursement to our manager, she said, "I really hope this isn't for an MBA."  We laughed.  (It was for an MS in Computer Engineering.)
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: TimtheEnchanter on April 17, 2013, 06:32:04 PM
Segev, you know my views, and even I've considered going for business administration.

I have very logical reasons for it though, and it's probably the same reasons that so many pursue it. We live in an age where degrees can become obsolete just as quickly as an apple Phone. But...

#1. It's the only degree I'm confident would actually still be relevant by the time I finished it (different professions rise and fall in value, but business itself doesn't)
#2. It's more versatile than any other degree and can be applied to literally ANY job (even if it's just the psychology), because all jobs are business.
#3. If all else fails, it's useful for entrepreneurial endeavors.

Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Segev on April 17, 2013, 06:37:53 PM
Oh, there's nothing wrong with an MBA. The problem is when people get them and assume that's all they need to know. An MBA gives you tools to manage something that you already understand as an industry. Too many assume they needn't know anything about the industry except who pays what to whom and the name of the product; all businesses, they think, are the same.

This is, I believe, a failure in MBA programs, that anybody can get the degree and think that way, but...well. I think a lot of the professors believe it, themselves. And since they never HAD to be in business...
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: srmalloy on April 17, 2013, 08:44:13 PM
AKA an "MBA".  That little acronym has become a very, very dirty word in tech circles (and others I would suspect).

The concept that a manager doesn't have to know anything about what the people they manage actually do -- that modern management practices can be universally applied to any business or group without regard to what that business or group does -- is something that I still don't understand.   MBA -- 'Manages Business Abysmally'.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Segev on April 17, 2013, 08:52:35 PM
My best guess is that it's a combination of three things:

1) A politico-economic bias that says business is evil which permeates academia. This leads to or stems from the assumption that money is a zero-sum game. Somehow, people use this with a "if I don't, somebody else will" mentality to justify going into business anyway. This contributes to the idea that they needn't know the business itself by way of thinking it's all about monkeying with accounting and money numbers, and the business is just there to be exploited.

2) Professors who have increasingly been divorced from the real world. Academia has become one of the wealthiest, most perk-laden professions one can get into, and part of its comfort comes from a lack of need, in many fields, to test one's theories. It's all about finding a theory that sounds good and arguing it well enough to get research funding. Research funding generally used to dig up sources that support your theories more than actually testing them out. This leads to the problem because the professors teaching it have a lot of theory and no practice, so they teach things that sound good but have little basis in reality. Like the idea that business is business and can be managed the same way no matter what it does.

3) A cultural rot in the managerial levels of businesses, where those who knew better have more or less disappeared due to retirement and the like. This means that most working at those levels were educated with that mistaken notion, and hire newbies who adhere to it as well. They build their golden parachutes and use their extensive training in sophistry to convince their customers it's a wise policy, and then use their wealth from their leech-like siphoning of capital from companies before moving on to prove they know what they're doing, when really, all they know how to do is make money off of an impending financial collapse (which they generally, knowingly or not, orchestrate).
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: dwturducken on May 07, 2013, 11:30:18 PM
An interesting perspective on loss:

http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/05/07/the-soapbox-your-mmo-is-going-to-die-and-thats-ok/
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: NecrotechMaster on May 08, 2013, 06:23:35 AM
An interesting perspective on loss:

http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/05/07/the-soapbox-your-mmo-is-going-to-die-and-thats-ok/

it was an interesting read, but i feel how they are putting it is that all mmos are exactly the same so if one shuts down you have dozens of other options to move on to, they do say there may be unique happenings in the game but the overall tone feels like they are saying all mmos are the same

i would dare them to try to find anything that was like coh and i bet the best they could come up with is CO which i cant even stand to look at let alone try and play
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: dwturducken on May 08, 2013, 12:04:45 PM
Yeah, I can't say I agree, but it was an interesting contrast to the panel of heavies in the industry saying the exact opposite. :)
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: corvus1970 on August 27, 2013, 12:29:37 AM
While I appreciate the points that the article makes and the positive way the writer chooses to embrace the death of an MMO, I just don't agree on a personal level. I might feel differently if I could find another Heroic online gaming experience that allowed me to create original characters and was fun to play as opposed to annoying, but I have yet to find it.

Still, for those who can move on, kudos!
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Illusionss on December 02, 2013, 12:01:52 PM
An interesting perspective on loss:

http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/05/07/the-soapbox-your-mmo-is-going-to-die-and-thats-ok/

*frowns deeply*

"Sure, we miss our characters, their assets, and those old familiar settings. But every hour we spend in our normal MMO is an hour we could have spent experiencing something completely new."

WHUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUT.

I am glad there is someone out there who can put something positive on this type of thing. But you know, if my real-life house burns down with everything in it, including my helpless pets, I am not going to get home from work, survey the smoking ruins and say "Cool beans. Now I can experience a NEW house and buying all my stuff over again! Too bad so sad, cats. Wouldn't wanna be ya."

What people like this fail to understand is that an MMO I love is truly, my home. I don't like it when you burn my house down with my "pets" [alts] inside.

"The death of an MMO gives us a chance to set our characters free."

Yeah it sure does. Kind of like driving your faithful dog 50 miles away from the house, opening the door and shoving him out onto the shoulder of the road and then zooming off, humming "Born Free" as you go.

HOW ABOUT NO.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Quinch on December 02, 2013, 03:48:53 PM
There's a rather intriguing article over at PC Power Play.

http://www.pcpowerplay.com.au/2013/11/no-more-heroes-the-fall-of-the-first-superhero-mmo/
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Illusionss on December 02, 2013, 06:24:45 PM
There's a rather intriguing article over at PC Power Play.

http://www.pcpowerplay.com.au/2013/11/no-more-heroes-the-fall-of-the-first-superhero-mmo/

Ha, my main is quoted on the log following the article. Virtue was a train wreck that night.

I remember once on the official forums, years before all this someone was talking about another MMO they had spent time in, that got shut down. They said "When you see those servers go dark for the final time.... that's a really funny feeling." When I read it I felt a chill as if someone had walked on my grave, and thought "I hope that never happens to me."

"Funny" is I guess one way of putting it. I felt like a lost Cosmonaut who finally hears his last radio link with earth die as he floats off into the endless black.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Golden Girl on December 02, 2013, 07:44:35 PM
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Atlantea on December 02, 2013, 09:30:33 PM
Ha, my main is quoted on the log following the article. Virtue was a train wreck that night.

I remember once on the official forums, years before all this someone was talking about another MMO they had spent time in, that got shut down. They said "When you see those servers go dark for the final time.... that's a really funny feeling." When I read it I felt a chill as if someone had walked on my grave, and thought "I hope that never happens to me."

"Funny" is I guess one way of putting it. I felt like a lost Cosmonaut who finally hears his last radio link with earth die as he floats off into the endless black.

Wow! My main - Cyberman 8 - is in the first screenshot out in the Shadow Shard!.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: eabrace on December 02, 2013, 09:31:46 PM
Wow! My main - Cyberman 8 - is in the first screenshot out in the Shadow Shard!.
I actually saw that and wondered if it was you.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Atlantea on December 02, 2013, 10:00:15 PM
I actually saw that and wondered if it was you.

If you click on the thumbnail it actually goes to a page where I (or C8 at least) is credited along with the other two people I was showing around. And if you continue to click on that thumbnail, you get the fullscreen image, which is amazing looking. He definitely had the full "Ultra Graphics" package going on that one.

One of them was a contact I'd established in the last couple of months before the closing - a writer for a game magazine (that's SirJD in the photo credit but who actually isn't in the shot. I assume that's he's the "camera man" of this particular screenshot) and I believe that "Airhead Heiress", the redhead standing in the screenshot with C8 was another writer who he brought along that particular day and I sidekicked both of them and took them on a tour of the zones. I think they were most astounded by the Shadow Shard. Just the weirdness of it. I remember one of the two of them mentioning something like "It's Steve Ditko world!"

Author credit is Jamie Dalzell, so yeah - that's probably SirJD.

I still have him as a contact on Steam and occasionally have talked to since the closure. Think I'll check and see if I can find the other articles he mentioned writing.

EDIT: Confirmed - talked to him over Steam - yeah that's his article and yes there was supposed to be one more that's more player perspective oriented but he's still pitching that one. If he gets no takers he'll likely publish it himself "as a standalone article/e-book thing." he says.



Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Illusionss on December 03, 2013, 02:56:35 AM
Wow! My main - Cyberman 8 - is in the first screenshot out in the Shadow Shard!.

Nice screenie, and good-looking character. Although I cant help it, the first thing I thought when I saw your companion was "Cool, MaeMae VonWhooters is checkin' out the Shard."  8)

Ah, the Shard. The place where perhaps the least happened, but still one of the places I miss the most.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Minotaur on December 03, 2013, 02:42:58 PM
Nice screenie, and good-looking character. Although I cant help it, the first thing I thought when I saw your companion was "Cool, MaeMae VonWhooters is checkin' out the Shard."  8)

Ah, the Shard. The place where perhaps the least happened, but still one of the places I miss the most.

That was kinda intentional, standing next to him was my AR/nrg blaster Airhead Heiress.

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and I believe that "Airhead Heiress", the redhead standing in the screenshot with C8 was another writer who he brought along that particular day and I sidekicked both of them and took them on a tour of the zones. I think they were most astounded by the Shadow Shard. Just the weirdness of it
  ... err nope.

SirJD (Jamie) wasn't a CoH player, but wanted to see what it was about after the closure announcement for an article, so 8 and I showed him round the world and also 8's spectacular base.

Character bio from Sentinel + "Rich, spoilt and very very stupid, she could have any toys she wanted, which from a very early age were mainly guns. After a couple of accidents, daddy realised that stupidity and heavy weaponry didn't really mix, and paid for some experimental implants which doubled her IQ to nearly normal levels. What does she make for dinner ? Reservations" so more Paris Hilton than Maemae van Whooters.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: LaughingAlex on December 03, 2013, 03:04:48 PM
This is an epic coded "screw you, NCsoft" from War Witch :P

Right about that.  Who knows maybe someone else has finally obtained the studio or something.  No, don't draw assumptions on that.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: saipaman on December 03, 2013, 06:58:11 PM
It is more likely that she sees less and less potential for blow back from NCSoft over statements like this one.
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: eabrace on December 13, 2013, 04:23:33 PM
It's not the usual sort of media shout-out we're used to seeing, but according to Lee Allred on Twitter:

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COH players will enjoy several more moments in FF #15 when it hits the stands next Wednesday. #COHEasterEggs

The discussion (for anyone who didn't already see it) started out with someone noticing the dialogue on page three of the preview for the issue.  You can see it here (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=19470) (page 3 of the comic is page 4 of the preview) and here (http://t.co/eWoLGEQODh).
Title: Re: Call to Action: Thank the media
Post by: Tubbius on December 13, 2013, 04:58:09 PM
Loved the FF pages, where they're using HeroClix to plan their attack and. . . using an old CoH battle cry with a slight alteration.  :)  That was great fun to read.