Doubters and Downers. . .

[Remaugen]

Now, like I said before, please stop bringing the entire thread down. We're here for support, not that other stuff.

Ooh, sorry --  I misunderstood.  In which thread would such comments/speculation be appropriate?

Here ya go! A shiny new thread just for you!

[Ohioknight]

Here ya go! A shiny new thread just for you!

Thanks, Remaugen. 

So, to reiterate the question I asked in "The Mask Comes Off" thread that Agge thought not appropriate to that thread ... if NCSoft DOESN'T give Nate and the Mysterions a solid "no" or "yes" to the current negotiations, how long should the current effort continue before other avenues of Hail Mary negotiations are pursued? 

I believe IronWolf was mentioning several other studios who were interested... when do folks think it would be reasonable to try to get contact information to them so they could try to make alternate deals ... 6 more months?  1 year? 2 years?  Never and the Nate consortium is the sole representative of the CoH people?

I know things stop in the US over the holidays, but I have absolutely no knowledge of the Korean business environment -- does it stop there this time of year as well?  When folks say they're talking but the negotiations are going slowly, do they mean that there are, in fact, actual negotiations... really going on with actual back and forth communications?  Or that a proposal was made and has not been answered?

[Angel Phoenix77]

Thanks, Remaugen. 

So, to reiterate the question I asked in "The Mask Comes Off" thread that Agge thought not appropriate to that thread ... if NCSoft DOESN'T give Nate and the Mysterions a solid "no" or "yes" to the current negotiations, how long should the current effort continue before other avenues of Hail Mary negotiations are pursued? 

I believe IronWolf was mentioning several other studios who were interested... when do folks think it would be reasonable to try to get contact information to them so they could try to make alternate deals ... 6 more months?  1 year? 2 years?  Never and the Nate consortium is the sole representative of the CoH people?

I know things stop in the US over the holidays, but I have absolutely no knowledge of the Korean business environment -- does it stop there this time of year as well?  When folks say they're talking but the negotiations are going slowly, do they mean that there are, in fact, actual negotiations... really going on with actual back and forth communications?  Or that a proposal was made and has not been answered?

Personally talking I am willing to wait for as long as needed, I understand the need to play I really do. However, I think it is only right to see what happens this time. But to answer your question if you are leading a alternate attempt one would think you could do it at any time. If you are suggesting on giving up on this effort because it is taking a long time, then I think that is on you.
Nc Soft is a Korean company and as such the team or any team must play by their rules.
As for your last part I am unsure of how to answer this, you know as much as we do, the team sent in what they are willing to pay and that was excepted. Right this is just me thinking right now there is a bit of back and forth.
Have patience sooner or later we will get some kind of news. I happen to think it will be good news.

[Remaugen]

Valid questions which I have no answer for, but it did seem to me there were others in line to step up if Nate couldn't get satisfaction.

The long silence does feed a small gnawing fear of failure, but I choose to remain optimistic!

[Stealth Dart]

It would be foolish to sidetrack the current negotiations due to impatience on our part.  NCSoft won't be rushed, bullied or pressured to release their property until they are willing to do so on their own timetable.  As far as other interested parties...if you read the very first post in the new efforts page it lists that their are in fact many different studios interested in bringing COH back.  They were all forwarded to the Team Hail Mary efforts.  All have different levels of financing based upon certain expectations being met.  We won't know which parties are fully involved until the deal is finalized.  So as many others have already stated,,,if NCSoft was not interested in selling the IP and disk image of I23 they would have just said NO.  Move along.  Nothing to see here.  We have other priorities.  We are in the middle of yet another corporate restructuring.

Instead they have continued to keep the door open.  So until that door shuts and I am sure if that does happen, Nate will make such an announcement at that time.  Then we will regroup and try again.  The longer they delay the sale the less money the IP will be worth.  So at some point they will need to make a decision either to make money or shelve the property.  I would think from a corporate perspective that they would rather make money then receive no money.  but that is just my opinion.  For all that is worth.

[Taceus Jiwede]

It would be foolish to sidetrack the current negotiations due to impatience on our part.  NCSoft won't be rushed, bullied or pressured to release their property until they are willing to do so on their own timetable.  As far as other interested parties...if you read the very first post in the new efforts page it lists that their are in fact many different studios interested in bringing COH back.  They were all forwarded to the Team Hail Mary efforts.  All have different levels of financing based upon certain expectations being met.  We won't know which parties are fully involved until the deal is finalized.  So as many others have already stated,,,if NCSoft was not interested in selling the IP and disk image of I23 they would have just said NO.  Move along.  Nothing to see here.  We have other priorities.  We are in the middle of yet another corporate restructuring.

Instead they have continued to keep the door open.  So until that door shuts and I am sure if that does happen, Nate will make such an announcement at that time.  Then we will regroup and try again.  The longer they delay the sale the less money the IP will be worth.  So at some point they will need to make a decision either to make money or shelve the property.  I would think from a corporate perspective that they would rather make money then receive no money.  but that is just my opinion.  For all that is worth.

Exactly.  Its done when it's done.  We will know when it succeeds or if it doesn't.

[BadWolf]

Thanks, Remaugen. 

So, to reiterate the question I asked in "The Mask Comes Off" thread that Agge thought not appropriate to that thread ... if NCSoft DOESN'T give Nate and the Mysterions a solid "no" or "yes" to the current negotiations, how long should the current effort continue before other avenues of Hail Mary negotiations are pursued? 

I believe IronWolf was mentioning several other studios who were interested... when do folks think it would be reasonable to try to get contact information to them so they could try to make alternate deals ... 6 more months?  1 year? 2 years?  Never and the Nate consortium is the sole representative of the CoH people?

I know things stop in the US over the holidays, but I have absolutely no knowledge of the Korean business environment -- does it stop there this time of year as well?  When folks say they're talking but the negotiations are going slowly, do they mean that there are, in fact, actual negotiations... really going on with actual back and forth communications?  Or that a proposal was made and has not been answered?

I'd say that just as a general rule, the worst possible thing to do would be to encourage other parties to make their own overtures to NCSoft. They're entertaining negotiations at a doable price right now because they believe the property to be of limited value and worth more sold than unsold. The last thing any of us want is to create the impression that there's some sort of "bidding war" going on for the property; it could encourage them to overvalue CoH and sit on it for a few more years waiting for a buyer to match an inflated price that came about because two or more parties that could have been co-ordinating efforts were actually bidding against each other in some sort of effort to get things done more quickly.

Which is a polite and reasonable background to my saying: SHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ironwolf]

The other parties were sent to Nate and Co, I don't know if one of those groups are involved in the effort to run the server or if it is a different group - that I don't know of.

You see it as this is THE effort to get everything back - I see it as AN effort to get it back.

I will not stop if this one fails just reload and try again. Yes, I did look at my 401k - and considered.........but wisdom prevailed and I left it right where it is. CoH - might - be a good investment and potentially a great one. I have a person in mind for funding if this goes belly up. He was jusr recently given a whole boatload of patents for his work when he was an inventor for a company that annually was turning over a $1 billion a year - yes he was given those patents by the owner when he retired and left to run with everything.

I do think I could get him onboard - but that is a last ditch effort as he is a close friend that while he is rich - we never let him buy a thing. Other people always want him for the cash but those who are close to him won't even let him buy us a McDonalds. We let him know we like and want him for himself money be damned. If it came to it I would just let him know of the game and see if it interests him. However that is a last ditch effort if everything else fails. In the meantime - I must start buying lottery tickets again.

[Kaos Arcanna]

I don't know about everyone else, but I'm hoping that if an IP holding company is set up we'll have a chance to invest in it so we can own a piece of the City...

[Angel Phoenix77]

I don't know about everyone else, but I'm hoping that if an IP holding company is set up we'll have a chance to invest in it so we can own a piece of the City...

sorta like Green Bay locals owning a part of the Packers? I like this idea

[Ironwolf]

Me too

[Ankhammon]

Socialism!!!!

[Angel Phoenix77]

Me too

[Ironwolf]

Socialism!!!!

I think of it as the ultimate capitalism, we all get to profit!

[LaughingAlex]

I think of it as the ultimate capitalism, we all get to profit!

You just got a ton more respect from me man .  I like the sound of that.

[Nyx Nought Nothing]

Time to get enterprising and start up the Downer Party Catering business.

[Sinistar]

Once the game returns they should make a new enemy group : The Downer Party

[dwturducken]

This is awfully upbeat for the "downer" thread...

[Ironwolf]

Don't bring me down bro.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9nkzaOPP6g

[Surelle]

Once the game returns they should make a new enemy group : The Downer Party

Hahaha!