Best CO update since I started playing

[Soul Resonance]

And now you say the exact thing I hate coming from anyone playing CO, especially since you always indirectly throw that accusation at me every time.  I don't, ever, want to hear any "I'm sorry CoH is gone and I'm sorry about CO" because you and I both know thats just a way of saying "Hahaha, sucks to be you that YOUR game is down and my game is still around".  It's both rude, and condescending.

Especially when I only mentioned CoH, a couple times at most, but not what it did or anything, just whats going on.  But you guys ALWAYS do this, every, single time.  It's sickening, its why we have such low opinions of you guys.  You guys always accuse me of either having nostalgia, OR you accuse me of wanting CO to be CoH, OR you just flat out tell me CO is going to remain and CoH is going to remain shut down even when the chances are high of CoH's return.  I never, however, say for sure CO is going to be shutdown but that it's at RISK that you guys refuse to recognize.

No, I do not think CO's shutdown will cause CoH to return.  If CO shuts down, it'll be whether CoH returns or not, it has no affect on that.

Your game never gets new content that has any length or quality.

Your game continues to throw false deals out there or even insane discounts.

Your game has only a few zones open in MC, less than 5 now.

Your game has a black mark as baiting and switching players of real life money.  And it's even got a thread on it, a few in various places.

Yet why do I still play it?  Cause I enjoy the game itself.

Yet do I think it'll shut down?  Duh, because of whats happening to YOU guys.  YOU guys even have barbaric slander sites aimed at roleplayers pinning as many lies as possible on them.

Your community always rubs salt in any wound it finds in anyone, including the bait and switch, or in some cases, city of heroes.

You guys even have SPIES infiltrate sg's to try and root out anyone who disagrees with the trolls to try and ruin things.

Your community has jerks ask the developers do increadibly stupid balance changes just so the above "Rub salt in the wound" can be done by the trolls.

I, I don't even know if you guys even have the capacity to look at yourselves.  At all.  Or feel how others feel or anything.



IF you made it this far, thats the kind of black mark you guys have on you.  People, hate your guts and they despise what happened to CO.  Because of how many in your community have betrayed and backstabbed one another.  This isn't EVE online for gods sake, where sure, the ingame economy is tied to people spending money on it, but even then everything is earnable IN GAME.  AND THE DEVELOPER GIVES THE INTENTIONAL BUYER BEWARE.  Co's devs don't do that, and tons of things are pay to win what do you expect?

And no, CO is not city of heroes.  City of heroes' developers and community wouldn't let such atrocities happen to it and god damnit we are still fighting to get our game back.  When bad things happened we banded together to deal with it in a proper manner, rather than take the opportunity to grief and damage.

What have you guys done thats remarkable?  Freeform system?  Other games did it better before and after.  Character creation?  Generic faces do not allow for appearance variety.  I mean look at this page.  CO is THREE on it.

http://www.gamebreaker.tv/featured/top-5-mmos-that-should-have-been-cancelled-a-long-time-ago/

It's, no wonder.  I'm not kidding when I say CO is FUBAR(and if you somehow don't know what that is, pancaked up beyond all recognition).  People cannot say the same of CO that they can say of CoX because CO commited atrocity after atrocity to it's own playerbase, the devs themselves did that.  Even in EVE's case, you have to remember it's the PLAYERS who commit the atrocities, not the developers.

You guys never improve, because you refuse to recognize that your game is FUBAR.  You refuse to recognize there is a potential problem on the horizon, somewhere, that maybe your game is going down infamous, rather than with fame as CoH had.  CoH went down but people miss it, CO when it goes, everyone will be "WEll that was a shithole, who cares?".  CO won't have the backing CoH had, there were multiple studios interested during the talks that are still going on, and proabably still multiple studios interested.  What'll happen to CO?  I wish I knew, I would love to say the same as what happened to CoX but I have no confidence there.

No, all you guys say is "Well we are the ONLY option" every time.  As if your game is litterally the only option.  No, it's not, there are dozens of other games that give a power fantasy, many of which do it properly through the being heroic aspect, and just as many where your "the hero" even if your not really being heroic.  There are dozens of games, other genres besides mmorpgs and other games in the mmorpg market and of course upcoming competition as always.  No, you guys love to live the fantasy of being the only game in existence.  Thats a lie, and you know that.

Do I think what they are doing is a good idea with this one change?  Perhaps it is but it's a late idea.  Came way to late.

And understand lastly, I am not taking a shot at you for liking CO, I'm glad your happy.  But seriously get out of the house and learn how people react to the things you say.

Yes, City of heroes is gone, in jail, but I believe it will be back myself.  Just as Angel Phoenix does.

I'm sorry, I don't usually post here but i just HAVE to comment on this. While I'm not siding with the CO crowd with this statement, I feel it has to be said in their defense. This is why we as a CoH community can come off as hostile, pompous, and stubborn at times. All you seem to be doing in this statement is stating how much better CoH was than CO, and how they, as players, are blind/peppy due to them staying with it for so long. Again, this is all in my opinion, but I    definitely    don't feel like your portraying our community in the best of light

[LaughingAlex]

I'm sorry, I don't usually post here but i just HAVE to comment on this. While I'm not siding with the CO crowd with this statement, I feel it has to be said in their defense. This is why we as a CoH community can come off as hostile, pompous, and stubborn at times. All you seem to be doing in this statement is stating how much better CoH was than CO, and how they, as players, are blind/peppy due to them staying with it for so long. Again, this is all in my opinion, but I    definitely    don't feel like your portraying our community in the best of light

Wasn't pointing out how much better city of heroes was, so much as I was pointing out what the communities DID.  CO players do everything they can to slander and attack other communities at times, it's been done countless times.  You didn't read the part where I said it was the CoH players who wouldn't let atrocities happen, not CoH itself.  But CO players have done so much to hurt themselves and their own game.  Was CoH comprised entirely of angels?  No, but when you look at what the two player bases did, CO's community had proven time and again how toxic it was to others.  From a poor choice of words or an outright chastising attack on others to slandering each other and then blaming the victims of the vehicles rip off the devs themselves did.  Or even just deliberately misleading the developers into making bad changes so they can revictimize the victims of said vehicle rip off and rub salt in the wound.

It's toxic.  It's what the PLAYERS did, not the games themselves.

Edit: And I am GLAD your not liking it, because if you did I'd be mighty worried.

And No it isn't that you kept with your game so long but again, what you guys have DONE to everyone else and yourselves.

Late Edit: And it's a criticism of what you guys had been doing to yourselves and others.  Maybe you should be asking yourselves how you can, I don't know, show yourselves as a nicer community?

[Soul Resonance]

Wasn't pointing out how much better city of heroes was, so much as I was pointing out what the communities DID.  CO players do everything they can to slander and attack other communities at times, it's been done countless times.  You didn't read the part where I said it was the CoH players who wouldn't let atrocities happen, not CoH itself.  But CO players have done so much to hurt themselves and their own game.  Was CoH comprised entirely of angels?  No, but when you look at what the two player bases did, CO's community had proven time and again how toxic it was to others.  From a poor choice of words or an outright chastising attack on others to slandering each other and then blaming the victims of the vehicles rip off the devs themselves did.  Or even just deliberately misleading the developers into making bad changes so they can revictimize the victims of said vehicle rip off and rub salt in the wound.

It's toxic.  It's what the PLAYERS did, not the games themselves.

Edit: And I am GLAD your not liking it, because if you did I'd be mighty worried.

And No it isn't that you kept with your game so long but again, what you guys have DONE to everyone else and yourselves.

I actually only played CO after CoH shut down(Started in I6) and from my time there, I saw what you are talking about, however, I also witnessed our own(CoH) antagonize players and instigate arguments on the CO forums(Primarily in the last few months before the shutdown).

[Xev]

Dang, Soul... Thanks. I just caught up with this thread and was thinking what in the world am I still doing here until you posted.

I was a CoH player too, ya know. That's why I started posting here in the first place. I started out in the Other Games forum where some really helpful people got me on some Abandonware games that I hadn't played since they were new which helped me fill the void that CoH left. Then I got on CO and liked it a lot and now I post here.

I was one of the first players on the Liberty server. I left to play other stuff, and when I came back it was my return to gaming after losing complete interest in what was a long history of gaming and losing my gaming partner who also happened to be my wife and the best gamer I ever met. It was a fluke that I came back (long story) and I was happily shocked that I got sucked back into gaming. I never played CoH without a sub and when it went down, which I had said couldn't happen just weeks before the announcement, I was shocked and felt the loss about as much as anyone.

Life goes on. You have to find something in it that makes you happy, or be unhappy. So when I say I'm sorry you're unhappy I'm sorry you're unhappy. I'm sorry you lost CoH, I'm sorry *I* lost CoH.

Soul is dead on with the comment about threads like this making the CoH community look bad. I have just as much right to claim being part of that community as anyone else but I won't join the CoH channel, for example, due to situations just like this. It can be hard enough in life to he happy without full time trying to convince other people they should try and do the same.

I come here to talk about a game I like to play. I don't come here to waste my time that I have for pleasure on hate.

Anyway, thanks Soul. And believe it or not I'm sorry you unhappy people are unhappy and wish you luck finding something that makes you happy. I;m not going to pretend that I don't think it's crap I get trolled here a lot but, whatever. I'm not gonna go there. When the day comes that the only reason this forum exists is to complain I'll move on. I have learned that this is what you have to do when encountering loss. Move.. on.. And try to find joy elsewhere, yo.

[Soul Resonance]

Dang, Soul... Thanks. I just caught up with this thread and was thinking what in the world am I still doing here until you posted.

I was a CoH player too, ya know. That's why I started posting here in the first place. I started out in the Other Games forum where some really helpful people got me on some Abandonware games that I hadn't played since they were new which helped me fill the void that CoH left. Then I got on CO and liked it a lot and now I post here.

I was one of the first players on the Liberty server. I left to play other stuff, and when I came back it was my return to gaming after losing complete interest in what was a long history of gaming and losing my gaming partner who also happened to be my wife and the best gamer I ever met. It was a fluke that I came back (long story) and I was happily shocked that I got sucked back into gaming. I never played CoH without a sub and when it went down, which I had said couldn't happen just weeks before the announcement, I was shocked and felt the loss about as much as anyone.

Life goes on. You have to find something in it that makes you happy, or be unhappy. So when I say I'm sorry you're unhappy I'm sorry you're unhappy. I'm sorry you lost CoH, I'm sorry *I* lost CoH.

Soul is dead on with the comment about threads like this making the CoH community look bad. I have just as much right to claim being part of that community as anyone else but I won't join the CoH channel, for example, due to situations just like this. It can be hard enough in life to he happy without full time trying to convince other people they should try and do the same.

I come here to talk about a game I like to play. I don't come here to waste my time that I have for pleasure on hate.

Anyway, thanks Soul. And believe it or not I'm sorry you unhappy people are unhappy and wish you luck finding something that makes you happy. I;m not going to pretend that I don't think it's crap I get trolled here a lot but, whatever. I'm not gonna go there. When the day comes that the only reason this forum exists is to complain I'll move on. I have learned that this is what you have to do when encountering loss. Move.. on.. And try to find joy elsewhere, yo.

No Problem, however, i do still feel that CoH will most definitely return but, i also feel that the best for our community to do in anticipation of this is to not soil any relations with those who have made a home elsewhere( especially in place where many feel "Sucks" compared to CoH). i, for one, liked my time in CO, and will come back to it (currently playing WoW...kinda ) when CoH returns along with playing CoH. (Might LT CO...depends on time/circumstances of CoH's return, but definitely willing to make the investment )

[LaughingAlex]

I actually only played CO after CoH shut down(Started in I6) and from my time there, I saw what you are talking about, however, I also witnessed our own(CoH) antagonize players and instigate arguments on the CO forums(Primarily in the last few months before the shutdown).

Yes, and anytime one of us CoH players suggests an idea they shoot it down in outright biggotry in the forums.  The immedietly call us nostalgia driven old farts.  And have you seen what happened a few months ago?  When the plasma beam weapon for vehicles became completely USELESS?  Players in the CO community deliberately rubbed the salt in the wounds of countless of players who were having fun with vehicles before, some people even went as far as to delete their accounts and stopped playing outright.

Ever since those few bad apples of ours made us look bad the CO community has treated us like pariahs whenever we did try to help with any ideas.  You really, REALLY had not paid attention these last 3-4 months.  Then of course SPIES INFILTRATED MY SG AND SLANDERED THE SHIT OUT OF US.  And course you have a group dedicated to slandering anyone who roleplays.

A good number of the horrible acts recently were of CO players on other CO players.  You guys have been stomaching out of control trolls who've done far worst than anything I ever "did" in your eyes.  All I did was criticise you guys for being prejudgemental jerks on CoH players after the stupid acts of Golden Girl.  But then you CO players have taken it so much farther than anything she could ever do.

Was Golden Girl an asshole?  YEah, I agree there, but to assume every, single CoH player is an asshole and then speak to us that way repeatedly.  It's all I got from many CO players in the forums.  I was left depressed over that kind of treatment.  All I ever wanted was to give some suggestions on how to make CO gameplay more diverse and it was shot down by tryhards who have gotten the very game they wanted, which is now far less popular than anything ever made.

You had only paid attention to those early months but you ignored everything the CO players themselves have done.  Especially these last 3-4 months where what they did was the quickest way to get the worst black-mark on this games reputation, and now people view it as a bait and switch.  YOU GUYS did that, not the CoH players.  We'd since moved on or stopped talking in your forums.  We don't say anything for a reason, we know you guys will just troll us instantly.

[LaughingAlex]

Dang, Soul... Thanks. I just caught up with this thread and was thinking what in the world am I still doing here until you posted.

I was a CoH player too, ya know. That's why I started posting here in the first place. I started out in the Other Games forum where some really helpful people got me on some Abandonware games that I hadn't played since they were new which helped me fill the void that CoH left. Then I got on CO and liked it a lot and now I post here.

I was one of the first players on the Liberty server. I left to play other stuff, and when I came back it was my return to gaming after losing complete interest in what was a long history of gaming and losing my gaming partner who also happened to be my wife and the best gamer I ever met. It was a fluke that I came back (long story) and I was happily shocked that I got sucked back into gaming. I never played CoH without a sub and when it went down, which I had said couldn't happen just weeks before the announcement, I was shocked and felt the loss about as much as anyone.

Life goes on. You have to find something in it that makes you happy, or be unhappy. So when I say I'm sorry you're unhappy I'm sorry you're unhappy. I'm sorry you lost CoH, I'm sorry *I* lost CoH.

Soul is dead on with the comment about threads like this making the CoH community look bad. I have just as much right to claim being part of that community as anyone else but I won't join the CoH channel, for example, due to situations just like this. It can be hard enough in life to he happy without full time trying to convince other people they should try and do the same.

I come here to talk about a game I like to play. I don't come here to waste my time that I have for pleasure on hate.

Anyway, thanks Soul. And believe it or not I'm sorry you unhappy people are unhappy and wish you luck finding something that makes you happy. I;m not going to pretend that I don't think it's crap I get trolled here a lot but, whatever. I'm not gonna go there. When the day comes that the only reason this forum exists is to complain I'll move on. I have learned that this is what you have to do when encountering loss. Move.. on.. And try to find joy elsewhere, yo.

If you hadn't said the line I have come to seriously hate, "CoH is dead CO is not" I would not have said anything.  To me it's insensitive for anyone to say that, especially since I find every single time it's always said as a way of dismissing anything I say no matter what it is, even if I am being constructive or even speaking positively on that now admittedly rare occasion.

If it was 6 months ago, I wouldn't have been quite as hostile, maybe a little, but no where near as much as I am now.

A year ago I wouldn't have said a thing.

A year and a half ago I would have gotten at the bad CoX players who made us look bad.

My sinking opinion is due to the actions of everyone.

Ever since October, the lines been crossed with me.  I don't think i'll ever be able to forgive the CO community anymore for what was done in it in October the day plasma beam was nerfed to uselessness.  Ever.

Edit: Not because of Plasma beam being something I depended on, it wasn't that.  But because people had spent a LOT of money on vehicles and then felt it completely invalidated.  And then the assholes took advantage of them and rubbed it in when REAL MONEY WAS LOST.  IT showed me the CO community has no lines drawn, and that the majority are villains, crooks and assholes.  I originally thought the majority weren't so low like that.  But that day proved that to me.

And my feelings towards the CO community hasn't healed since.  Nore will it.

Justify it all you guys want but that was both very unforgivable, shameful, disgusting and disturbing.  It sent a clear message to everyone and me what this game was standing for.

Why do I think this change is a good idea?  Because it ensures trading isn't tied to cosmic keys so much anymore, so I hope it'll reduce the chance of that shit happening all over again.

[Xev]

Soul, when CoH comes back I'll be one of the first to come back to it. Even when the moaning and wailing was at it's peak *before* the shutdown (we were still playing CoH but knew the end was near) I always said I thought it would be back. Why wouldn't it be? It's a great game with a huge following.

I can't imagine that it can be kept down forever. It's sad that it's becoming dated in it's downtime and kinda tragic that all that awesome development came to a halt but maybe we get another great development team when it comes back up.

Seriously, CoH was on FIRE before it got shutdown. That's why I couldn't imagine that it would happen when the rumor came up before the announcement was made.

And another OP goes off into outer space.... hehe

hugs ya'all

[Brou]

Anyways, the cap increase is a great addition, and I'm still quite excited about 2015.

[LaughingAlex]

Soul, when CoH comes back I'll be one of the first to come back to it. Even when the moaning and wailing was at it's peak *before* the shutdown (we were still playing CoH but knew the end was near) I always said I thought it would be back. Why wouldn't it be? It's a great game with a huge following.

I can't imagine that it can be kept down forever. It's sad that it's becoming dated in it's downtime and kinda tragic that all that awesome development came to a halt but maybe we get another great development team when it comes back up.

Seriously, CoH was on FIRE before it got shutdown. That's why I couldn't imagine that it would happen when the rumor came up before the announcement was made.

And another OP goes off into outer space.... hehe

hugs ya'all

I'm sorry for my explosion.  As said in the last post, it's hard/impossible to be nice to CO players anymore at times.  I also admit, I can't even tell who to trust anymore due to the last couple months and what happened with my supergroup, and of seeing my friends being slandered by the trolls so directly in the worst ways.  IT's like, everything since october changed for me in CO.  I was skeptical and worried before but, ugh, to hear of the spies infiltrating an sg just to slander it or how roleplaying is now subject to slander and trolling in CO.

[Angel Phoenix77]

I'm sorry for my explosion.  As said in the last post, it's hard/impossible to be nice to CO players anymore at times.  I also admit, I can't even tell who to trust anymore due to the last couple months and what happened with my supergroup, and of seeing my friends being slandered by the trolls so directly in the worst ways.  IT's like, everything since october changed for me in CO.  I was skeptical and worried before but, ugh, to hear of the spies infiltrating an sg just to slander it or how roleplaying is now subject to slander and trolling in CO.

to join alex in the apology. On the co boards all I wanted was to try and get co to where it should be, and what I get for my efforts was called a troll and I should sit down and shutup also lied about something I have never said. This is why I do not bother posting on the co boards anymore.
 Xev and Brou I have nothing against you two nor some of the co community, I do have against some of the co community is they think only their opinions matter.

[LaughingAlex]

to join alex in the apology. On the co boards all I wanted was to try and get co to where it should be, and what I get for my efforts was called a troll and I should sit down and shutup also lied about something I have never said. This is why I do not bother posting on the co boards anymore.
 Xev and Brou I have nothing against you two nor some of the co community, I do have against some of the co community is they think only their opinions matter.

I will also say I have nothing against you two, Xev And Brou, either, you two had proven to be among the saner guys of the CO community and I apologize for taking it out on ya.

[Xev]

Best wishes, gamers  : ) Best wishes for fun in your gaming.

Didn't mean to imply I'd dump CO for CoH earlier. btw. I'm perfectly capable of playing more than one game at a time.  Maybe not at the same time... but ya know what I mean hehe. When I was a real gamer I always had at least one fallback game for times of burnout and whatnot.

Brou is a lot more plugged in to the game and part of the CO community than me. I'm just a spud who likes to play and come here and blab about it sometimes with other people who like to play.

 

[LaughingAlex]

Best wishes, gamers  : ) Best wishes for fun in your gaming.

Didn't mean to imply I'd dump CO for CoH earlier. btw. I'm perfectly capable of playing more than one game at a time.  Maybe not at the same time... but ya know what I mean hehe. When I was a real gamer I always had at least one fallback game for times of burnout and whatnot.

Brou is a lot more plugged in to the game and part of the CO community than me. I'm just a spud who likes to play and come here and blab about it sometimes with other people who like to play.

I admit I could still play CO once in a while, even with City of heroes back, and I did while it was still running.

[Relitner]

Anyways, the cap increase is a great addition, and I'm still quite excited about 2015.

Out of curiosity... did I miss an announcement? What's in the works for CO in 2015?

[Brou]