The Force Awakens **SPOILERS ALLOWED**

[Noyjitat]

My single biggest and only complaint:

JJ Abrams did the same thing he did in star trek and that was nuking an iconic planet that's been apart of the starwars universe since um FOREVER! And not just any planet but Coruscant. Freaking CORUSCANT! WTF?!!! I looked at my brother after they destroyed it with that sun weapon and was like "This is why I don't like JJ Abrams" He agreed with "Yeah, this really sucks" So here we are with two sci-fi franchises with iconic worlds suddenly just ripped away and annihilated the minute the same director gets control of the movie franchises.

Before that scene I gave this movie a 10/10 but now I'm not so sure... I can say that im glad he won't be directing the next two movies because he trashed star trek and I dont want the same thing  to happen to starwars. I did watch and enjoy every other part of the movie especially a female main character but I feel if disney had not written off the EU we would of had a much better movie overall. So many books and games all these years continued where the movies left off... It just didn't make sense to throw all of that away.

[Noyjitat]

[Golden Girl]

You should probably find better bad reviews than those ones - they lack credibility

[Todogut]

... they lack credibility

Do they ...?  What if those reviewers are speaking truth? 

I'm not saying they are; but, it's thought-provoking.  (At least, moreso than SW:TFA.)

[Golden Girl]

My single biggest and only complaint:

JJ Abrams did the same thing he did in star trek and that was nuking an iconic planet that's been apart of the starwars universe since um FOREVER! And not just any planet but Coruscant. Freaking CORUSCANT! WTF?!!! I looked at my brother after they destroyed it with that sun weapon and was like "This is why I don't like JJ Abrams" He agreed with "Yeah, this really sucks" So here we are with two sci-fi franchises with iconic worlds suddenly just ripped away and annihilated the minute the same director gets control of the movie franchises.

That wasn't Coruscant.

[Golden Girl]

Do they ...?  What if those reviewers are speaking truth? 

I'm not saying they are; but, it's thought-provoking.  (At least, moreso than SW:TFA.)

No one takes those conspiracy nutjobs seriously.

[Blondeshell]

JJ Abrams did the same thing he did in star trek and that was nuking an iconic planet that's been apart of the starwars universe since um FOREVER! And not just any planet but Coruscant. Freaking CORUSCANT! WTF?!!! I looked at my brother after they destroyed it with that sun weapon and was like "This is why I don't like JJ Abrams" He agreed with "Yeah, this really sucks" So here we are with two sci-fi franchises with iconic worlds suddenly just ripped away and annihilated the minute the same director gets control of the movie franchises.

That wasn't Coruscant.

Based on the movie itself, we don't really know for sure. It seems logical that Coruscant would still be the seat of power after all these years, but the planet's name was never actually mentioned in the film.

[eabrace]

After the Rebels defeated the emperor in ROTJ, that left a vacuum atop the Empire's power structure.  There was a scramble among the surviving top dogs to fill said void, while the ruling power of the Empire crumbled, allowing the New Republic to seize the reigns for the galaxy.  However, the true die-hard fanatics of the Empire all retreated back to the outer-rim worlds and restructured the organization, which became the  First Order.  The New Republic sent their best and brightest out to set up the Resistance among the outer rim worlds to fight back against the First Order before they can gain enough of a foothold to re-seize the reigns of power throughout the galaxy.

That's pretty close, actually.

The emperor's closest advisers held a council to decide what to do next (with one option being going hunting for the wellspring of the dark side in the Outer Rim).  The council was attacked by the New Rebel Alliance and pushed out to the Outer Rim.  The First Order would appear to be a resurgence of what was scattered to the Outer Rim working it's way back to the Core worlds.

Although they were all united in their dislike for the empire, once the war had essentially wound down, the planets in the Rebel Alliance didn't necessarily see eye to eye on what sort of government should fill the void, so they were far less cohesive without a common enemy to fight.  As you pointed out, that's pretty much how WWII ended, planting the seeds of the Cold War.  The Resistance is presumably one of the splinter groups that didn't exactly find themselves fitting neatly within the newly formed Republic.

Han *had* to be the sacrificial mentor, even though Harrison Ford is by FAR the biggest star in the franchise.

And he was asking Lucas to kill Han in the original trilogy.  Just glad they did it well.  There are so many other ways they could have done that without the impact it had.

[Brutey]

But... it was Kylo Ren that turned on the new order. That was pretty clear to me. He was seduced by Snoke, sure, but but it was him that did the killing.

I also enjoyed the utility of the hilt being proven.

Funny how one word can change the course of a movie.  I (mis)heard Han say 'He should have gone to Luke', which lead me to believe that he hadn't - that they'd sent him away, and that the one who turned on the new order was Snoke, who then formed the Knights of Ren and recruited Ben, who has not yet completed his training and his fall to the Dark Side (until the bridge incident in this movie).  I thought it was a great plot twist and opened a lot of story options for the future.

Sadly Han said "He shouldn't have gone to Luke" - which means that a whiny, emo, half trained apprentice betrayed his uncle and wiped out all the other acolytes yet still felt the pull of the light for some reason (so much for Yoda).  It weakens every character involved - the unseen other acolytes, Luke (you... probably shouldn't let your nephew who just slaughtered everything you were working on go wander off), Luke again (oh, and you missed this Dark Side user named Snoke. Nice  going.), Luke a third time (seriously, maybe you should have noticed something was off about your nephew), Leia and Han (yep, he just killed a bunch of people and went and joined the empire remnants - be casual when you say 'I saw our son')...

I enjoyed it more with the misunderstanding. Luke better have a really, really, really good reason for becoming a hermit instead of confronting Jacen - er - Ben. Obi Wan did because there was nothing he could do - both Palpatine and Vader were stronger than he was, were together by the time he realized Anakin had survived, and he needed to keep an eye on Luke as he grew - probably both to make sure the Empire didn't come looking and make sure that Luke didn't follow in his father's footsteps. For the record, I didn't give Yoda a pass on becoming a hermit, either.

But that is what sequels are for, after all.  If this trilogy mirrors the first trilogy, as they've stated, and the second mirrors Empire as closely as Awakens mirrored Hope then Luke will have plenty of time to explain things as he trains Rey - until she runs off half trained because Finn and Poe get cornered by Kylo somewhere and it is revealed that he is her brother (or cousin). 

[Brutey]

That wasn't Coruscant.


Based on the movie itself, we don't really know for sure. It seems logical that Coruscant would still be the seat of power after all these years, but the planet's name was never actually mentioned in the film.

The movie says it's the Hosnian system.  Coruscant is in the Corusca system. Unless they changed it.  I wouldn't put it past them to wipe it out but it's more likely to have just been another highly populated planet.

And frankly the freaking bar better have been on a moon of said planet.  Hyperspace laser or not nobody should have been able to see it from any further out. 

[Noyjitat]

That wasn't Coruscant.

no it was indeed coruscant. I'm trying to remember the exact lines said in the movie during the attack but i cannot. And you can clearly see the surrounds on one of the planets with people looking up and all those flying speeder cars.

[Todogut]

No one takes those conspiracy nutjobs seriously.

Alex Jones might respond, "Yeah, that's what the Globalists say."

Rotten Tomatoes shows that 95 percent of movie critics gave a positive review to SW:TFA. I can't believe that sophisticated film critics gave a pass to this movie.

Maybe Alex Jones is correct, and there's a global conspiracy where the ultra rich (that is, people so wealthy, they can do whatever they want... like, jet to another continent and view a movie a few days ahead of its release in their part of the world) secretly run everything through major corporations. Hm... Disney is a major corporation.

Maybe the critics who work for media outlets owned by major corporations know to "play ball" with a corporate partner like Disney? Maybe Disney paid off film critics for positive reviews? Hm....

There's gotta be some logical, rational explanation. Film critics cannot really like this despicable corporate pap.

[Golden Girl]

Take off the tinfoil hat

[Golden Girl]

no it was indeed coruscant. I'm trying to remember the exact lines said in the movie during the attack but i cannot. And you can clearly see the surrounds on one of the planets with people looking up and all those flying speeder cars.

It's Hosnian Prime.

[Golden Girl]

And frankly the freaking bar better have been on a moon of said planet.  Hyperspace laser or not nobody should have been able to see it from any further out.

Maz Kanata's hangout was on Takodana - it's a planet, not a moon.

[Todogut]

You should probably find better bad reviews ...

Challenge accepted: Star Wars The Force Awakens: Max Landis is sexist and Rey is a Mary Sue *spoilers*
KYLO REN - spoilers - Twitter Exclusive
MARY SUE SEXIST MAX LANDIS ON A RANT AGAIN HIS FORCE AWOKE

[eabrace]

Worth a read:

www.dailydot.com/geek/star-wars-force-awakens-novelization-highlights/

[Golden Girl]

Challenge accepted: Star Wars The Force Awakens: Max Landis is sexist and Rey is a Mary Sue *spoilers*
KYLO REN - spoilers - Twitter Exclusive
MARY SUE SEXIST MAX LANDIS ON A RANT AGAIN HIS FORCE AWOKE

I should have added "coherent" and "not stoned"

[hurple]

Alex Jones might respond, "Yeah, that's what the Globalists say."

Rotten Tomatoes shows that 95 percent of movie critics gave a positive review to SW:TFA. I can't believe that sophisticated film critics gave a pass to this movie.

Maybe Alex Jones is correct, and there's a global conspiracy where the ultra rich (that is, people so wealthy, they can do whatever they want... like, jet to another continent and view a movie a few days ahead of its release in their part of the world) secretly run everything through major corporations. Hm... Disney is a major corporation.

Maybe the critics who work for media outlets owned by major corporations know to "play ball" with a corporate partner like Disney? Maybe Disney paid off film critics for positive reviews? Hm....

There's gotta be some logical, rational explanation. Film critics cannot really like this despicable corporate pap.

This is hilarious.  I laughed most of the night over this.

It *is* meant as a joke, right?

 

[hurple]

If you liked it, good. I confess, I missed its appeal. In my view, the major point was Disney needs to make a lot of money.

However, other people have different views... for example: Alex Jones Exposes Truth Behind Star Wars

Alex Jones is a clueless putz. 

Mom always told me if I didn't have anything nice to say about someone... And, well, that is me being nice about him.