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« Reply #40 on: December 23, 2015, 05:32:13 AM »
And, can't seem to find the post now, but didn't somebody say Rey was a "Mary Sue" in an earlier post?

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« Reply #41 on: December 23, 2015, 02:06:34 PM »
Problem is, it's the same story.

What cowardly, corporate film-making. Presumably, the suits at Disney figured, "We're spending a lot of money buying the rights, making the movie, and marketing it! We need to get a huge return! So, we gotta give the audience what they want!" And, they played it safe--to a stultifying degree--by merely stitching together pieces from previous Star Wars films.

Really, guys? You couldn't give us a new story? It's a sad thing when the "Star Wars: Clone Wars" cartoon series gave us better, original stories.

Yeah. JJ should have done an original story like his Star Trek: Into Darkness.............oh wait......

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« Reply #42 on: December 23, 2015, 04:01:33 PM »
Yeah. JJ should have done an original story like his Star Trek: Into Darkness.............oh wait......

But, even then, people KEEP getting it wrong.  Into Darkness was NOT a remake of Wrath of Kahn, it was a re-make of Space Seed, with a variation of the Wrath ending.

I think, as we move to the rest of this trilogy we'll find this movie isn't as derivative as we think now, and where it is, it was done so with a specific purpose.  I think this movie is a lot smarter than the general public is currently giving it credit for.

I just hope my faith is well-placed, or I'm gonna come out looking like a goober.   ;D

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« Reply #43 on: December 23, 2015, 04:24:50 PM »
Regarding the "Resistance is tiny" bit from the novel (via a link earlier): that was in the movie, since they say something like '2/3 of our fleet is gone' after several x wings are destroyed. It made it seem like the contingent that went to Starkiller was all they had, which seemed a bit silly to me.

Of course, there was also a line that sounded like 'without the republic's fleet' so maybe they rely more heavily on the new republic than it seems.

Sadly Han said "He shouldn't have gone to Luke" - which means that a whiny, emo, half trained apprentice betrayed his uncle and wiped out all the other acolytes yet still felt the pull of the light for some reason (so much for Yoda).  It weakens every character involved - the unseen other acolytes, Luke (you... probably shouldn't let your nephew who just slaughtered everything you were working on go wander off), Luke again (oh, and you missed this Dark Side user named Snoke. Nice  going.), Luke a third time (seriously, maybe you should have noticed something was off about your nephew), Leia and Han (yep, he just killed a bunch of people and went and joined the empire remnants - be casual when you say 'I saw our son')...

I did wonder why Luke would just up and hermit himself. It does seem... odd. I won't say uncharacteristic because we don't know how his character changed in 20 or so years from RotJ.

Rotten Tomatoes shows that 95 percent of movie critics gave a positive review to SW:TFA. I can't believe that sophisticated film critics gave a pass to this movie.
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There's gotta be some logical, rational explanation. Film critics cannot really like this despicable corporate pap.

Maybe only 5% of movie critics are sophisticated. Also, film critics are notoriusly poor at matching what the public thinks of a movie, so any review has to be taken with a grain of salt.

Edit: Forgot to say that even though it looks like Coruscant, it's definitely not. The name of the planet / system is explicitly stated as something that isn't Coruscant, although I don't recall if it's before or after the destruction (or both). It makes sense to me that the Empire remnants still have control of their former capital and seat of their power (if they do). It also makes sense to me that the capital city of a major galactic government would look just as developed as Coruscant, in its massive cityscape and speeders and ships everywhere in the sky.
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« Reply #44 on: December 23, 2015, 08:31:13 PM »
The New Republic's capital is/was on Hosnian Prime.
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« Reply #45 on: December 24, 2015, 02:44:20 PM »
Just saw it last night.  I thought it was pretty good overall. 

There was one thing that I didn't like however; they didn't end the movie at the right time.

After Rey says her goodbyes and takes off in the Millennium Falcon, that's the end of the movie.  Roll credits.  When that didn't happen, I wasn't sure where they were going with things when they landed on Luke's planet, climbed stairs and had a super-awkward face off where Rey offers the lightsabre to Luke and they stand there like forever.  She with her hand outstretched and Luke just staring at her.  Weird.

That scene with Luke and Rey would have kicked off the next movie with a bang.  If they needed Luke in it, the have a post credits scene where Luke looks up, anticipating Rey's arrival (since we last saw her flying off in the Falcon).

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« Reply #46 on: December 24, 2015, 03:18:22 PM »
Just saw it last night.  I thought it was pretty good overall. 

There was one thing that I didn't like however; they didn't end the movie at the right time.

After Rey says her goodbyes and takes off in the Millennium Falcon, that's the end of the movie.  Roll credits.  When that didn't happen, I wasn't sure where they were going with things when they landed on Luke's planet, climbed stairs and had a super-awkward face off where Rey offers the lightsabre to Luke and they stand there like forever.  She with her hand outstretched and Luke just staring at her.  Weird.

That scene with Luke and Rey would have kicked off the next movie with a bang.  If they needed Luke in it, the have a post credits scene where Luke looks up, anticipating Rey's arrival (since we last saw her flying off in the Falcon).

Yes, I thought that epilogue was awkward, too.


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« Reply #47 on: December 25, 2015, 02:00:02 AM »
I found the movie to be "emotionally flat". 

Something like a soft drink with all the fizz gone.  It still tastes good but something is obviously missing.

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« Reply #48 on: December 25, 2015, 02:43:13 AM »
I found the movie to be "emotionally flat". 

Something like a soft drink with all the fizz gone.  It still tastes good but something is obviously missing.

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« Reply #49 on: December 25, 2015, 03:18:25 AM »
More of a lack of stage presence. 

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« Reply #50 on: December 25, 2015, 08:42:30 PM »
More of a lack of stage presence.

Is that code for Jar Jar Binks?
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« Reply #51 on: December 25, 2015, 10:18:52 PM »
But, even then, people KEEP getting it wrong.  Into Darkness was NOT a remake of Wrath of Kahn, it was a re-make of Space Seed, with a variation of the Wrath ending.

I think, as we move to the rest of this trilogy we'll find this movie isn't as derivative as we think now, and where it is, it was done so with a specific purpose.  I think this movie is a lot smarter than the general public is currently giving it credit for.

I just hope my faith is well-placed, or I'm gonna come out looking like a goober.   ;D

I never thought it was a remake of Wrath. Nemesis was a remake of Wrath.
Into Darkness was like one of those movies where they edit two episodes together. In this case was Space Seed and Star Trek 2.

Don't get me wrong - I liked Darkness - just wasn't very original.

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« Reply #52 on: December 25, 2015, 10:22:10 PM »
Yes, I thought that epilogue was awkward, too.

I remember seeing Empire for the very first time. Me (and many people) thought that end was flat too.
It wasn't an end, as more of a "you have to pay $7 more in two years to see how this ends".

And Empire is my favorite out of all 6 that I have seen.

Jedi was also a rehash of the first with a new Death Star. I guess they just never learn.

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« Reply #53 on: December 26, 2015, 06:07:16 AM »
More than 41 minutes of Max Landis talking about ST:TFA  8)

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« Reply #54 on: December 26, 2015, 09:41:06 AM »
I remember seeing Empire for the very first time. Me (and many people) thought that end was flat too.

Oh, I wasn't even thinking about that weird ending scene.   There was way, way, way too much staring in that scene.

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« Reply #55 on: December 26, 2015, 05:45:24 PM »
After Rey says her goodbyes and takes off in the Millennium Falcon, that's the end of the movie.  Roll credits.  When that didn't happen, I wasn't sure where they were going with things when they landed on Luke's planet, climbed stairs and had a super-awkward face off where Rey offers the lightsabre to Luke and they stand there like forever.  She with her hand outstretched and Luke just staring at her.  Weird.

I kind of want to make a "Star Wars Soap Opera" parody using that scene.
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« Reply #56 on: December 29, 2015, 03:01:33 PM »
Finally got to see it last night.  I'd had the Han killed by his son spoilered for me in a Reddit thread, but I don't think it really mattered.

Random thoughts.

Really glad they killed Han because I thought Harrison Ford puffing his way through the running and action scenes was just kind-of painful -- that sequence where he downs the trooper with one blow -- yikes.  And the death scene was terrific -- a truly fitting send-off.

I thought Kylo Ren and his story was the best thing about the movie -- I was engaged and compelled.  Thought all the performances were good -- Harrison Ford was terrific aside from the physical stuff -- Carrie Fisher seemed a bit like a prop but I'm glad they could get her to do it.

I like all the new guys.  I liked Poe but thought it was weird to drop him from 2/3 of the movie and then just have him show up -- hi, remember me from the beginning -- I'll be tacked on now.  I like Finn and Rey.  Rey engaged me -- looking forward to more of her as our new prime Light-Side hero.

The whole new-bigger-not-quite-Death-Star seemed very tacked-on and not really important to the plot -- my favorite moment of the film was Han saying "there's always a way to blow these things up".  You'd think they'd learn about defending the one thing that makes the whole planet-weapon explode after the first two, wouldn't you?  How expensive ARE those things?

Rebel Alliance has really scaled back from the old days if their "fleet" is a couple squads of X-wings.

REALLY liked Snoke -- that's a dark side master I can run screaming from.  I thought they did a VERY good job channeling the Nazi vibe in the brief shots of the First Order -- in a good Star Warsy way.  (The original films were always anchored around GL playing with the stereotypical film tropes he loved -- walking the plank, captured by natives, gunfight in the bar, dogfight bombing run, etc).

Geeze, they didn't even give him a LINE.

I'm currently suffering from the worst case of raised expectations let-down I've ever had because I'd been insulating myself from info but the fact that everybody I'd talked to loved it had me super pumped.   

It was okay.  I enjoyed it.  No strong objections.  Vastly better than the second-made trilogy.  I look forward to the next one or other Star Wars projects they develop. 

Really hope they can come up with a better framing plot than "oh new big weapon we have to blow up".  Enough with blowing up the big thing.



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« Reply #57 on: December 29, 2015, 08:24:21 PM »
I just got home from seeing it, and I thought it was enjoyable, even if it's in many ways a sort of remix of moments from 4-6.  Originality is, thankfully, not required for a decent, entertaining bit of story.

The only parts I really didn't care for were when Darth Daddy Issues took off his helmet - put the mask back on, Nosferatu.  The all-too-predictable death of Han, which started to be apparent from the moment he began bonding with New Jedi, and it became a certainty that he'd be killed while she looked on the moment we knew he was going with Finn to save her.  And, finally, the awkward end scene with Luke - the iconic music used there will now forever be a love story between a boy and his long lost lightsabre.
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« Reply #58 on: December 31, 2015, 03:42:18 AM »
I saw this movie, while it was not bad it was no where near as good.
The only character I feel was the best character in the movie Phasma, was not shown as much as she should have. She was suppose to be in charge of the storm troopers yet never really showed her authority outside of telling Finn to put on his helmet and telling the storm troopers to whip out the village.
One of the biggest problems I have with this is Kylo acting like an emo, I was lead to believe he was overly in charge. Yet he played second fiddle to a general.
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