Forum experiences(Pt. 2)

[Soul Resonance]

I so far love the fact of new content(makes my decision to get a LTS soon more solid  ) but BOY do I remember why I just stick to playing the game .

Personally though, I believe it is my fault, in that I was very adamant(albeit they were warranted, I mean c'mon look at all those threads about "adjust this and nerf that" as of late, swear, give an inch..) and then of course(not naming...let's just say their really big on the whole um..cats thing, also their dog friend has a nick-name..I'm sure you can piece 2-and-2 together :p). Things go south(again, I did not convey in the best of ways my opinion but with cat lover around, I'm not exactly happy with a "Dev"(I say this because they think they know what their talking about, it's really quite sad.) like that around).

P.S: I keep thinking, "I pray everyday for them to pull that BS in CoH on return, just to see arcana rip their A** a new one :p
http://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/championsonline/#/discussion/1204391/lightning-arc-changes
Enjoy the..uh..yeah..

[Microcosm]

Regarding the "dog friend," that actually used to be a coh player and poster. They jumped ship when CO came out, posting vociferously about CO's superiority to Coh. They had always acted very much the same on the Coh forums, and I clearly remember thinking "good riddance" when I saw they were leaving. I would advise you not to bother at all arguing with them. Several people repeatedly disproved with basic math their "factual" claims, and the response was always to yell louder. Funny how people tend not to change, even after such a long time.

[Brou]

Don't you think this whole retreating to CoHtitan after an argument and talking as though some of us don't exist in both places is a little bit in bad taste?

[Xev]

Must not be awake enough yet. This whole thing went right over my head.

As far as I can tell Baelog was trolling about an inflammatory subject and then there were flames, and, people that got that he was trolling.

Which one is Soul? Who's the cat? Who's the dog? Brou? And where has Brou been and why did he return?

So many questions.

[LaughingAlex]

Brou, most people know they wouldn't last very long here with the attitudes they get away with in the CO forums, so they wouldn't come here, but they do stalk some people(like me).  I would not say so much that it's bad taste, but more the guy clearly wanted to get things off his chest.

I went from wanting CO to improve as a game, to not caring, to downright wishing it to be shut down, because of the kind of people that Soul Resonance speaks of.  They are killing the game, the fact they(nerf trolls) ask also to nerf the one last power I enjoyed in CO says a lot.

The issue, Brou, is that even troll posts GET ATTENTION AND DEVS TRY TO COMPLY WITH THEM EVEN IF THEY ARE NOT MEANT TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY!  The Developers of CO, their brains had fallen out.  Their minds are far to open, because they are desperate to save the game(or trying to destroy it, which is also very, very likely).  So they listen to even the dumbest of complaints and try to make that one person happy.  Which of course, drives more players away or gets them wanting a new and better game.

A funny tip for ya, the dog friend(not brou) even told ME that was a problem with CO; developers try to please EVERYBODY.  Granted, that person is biased towards melee only, but also notice likewise, some people who originally asked for nerfs are now no longer doing so, and even speaking out against it.  Because whats happening to CO, is very, very rediculous.  They are trying to kill the game.  In fact some people feel even the developers themselves are trying to sabotage the game.

If the developers would close their minds a little, ironically, they'd actually do far better at making sound decisions.  As it stands, even coming from a person who prides himself as very open minded, that the developers minds are to open that their brains had fallen out.  Much like that paranoid person in life we all encountered somewhere who believes EVERY SINGLE THING THEY READ!  The developers of CO BELIEVE EVERY SINGLE THING THEY READ.  Unfortunately, this gives them a reputation for being very incompetent, and also for good or ill.  Gives them a reputation of being 'awesome' to those they listen to inevitably, even if it is a temporary view point they'll inevitably change when they revert those changes.  It's an unstable reputation and a bad one.  Because even if it's positive for a short amount of time, it'll turn sour the instant they twist the good idea into a bad one like they always do.  Or simply listen to one bad idea and destroy the good one.  Or listen to a thick combination of mediocre, bad or even good ideas and twist them into the dumbest decisions they ever make.

The developers don't know what they are doing, and rely 100% on what they read.  And the changes/poor direction reflect that.

So the bad idea changes in the troll post being implemented a real possibility?  Sad to say but, I believe it's a very dangerous possibility.

[Soul Resonance]

Don't you think this whole retreating to CoHtitan after an argument and talking as though some of us don't exist in both places is a little bit in bad taste?

When the argument is beyond stupid? No not at all. Plus, I think the in-game community is beyond phenominal and would love to convince them to try a relaunched CoH along with CO. Also, I only really dont agree with or support the argument dog and his cat friend(spinny) because they act like devs with their beyond BS ideas. Also im xcel on the forums Xev 😀

[LaughingAlex]

When the argument is beyond stupid? No not at all. Plus, I think the in-game community is beyond phenominal and would love to convince them to try a relaunched CoH along with CO. Also, I only really dont agree with or support the argument dog and his cat friend(spinny) because they act like devs with their beyond BS ideas. Also im xcel on the forums Xev 😀

I don't believe there are a lot of people who are currently playing CO that are willing to bother with a renewed CoX.  The many who already quit CO might, and likely will find CoX to be far more enjoyable, because of things like AE and the sheer variety of strategies/depth CoX had in character design, if they were willing to drop the checklist mentality many mmorpg players have.

But there are a lot of CO players who just don't want anything else to succeed.  They want everything to fail, because they know anything else succeeding will kill CO.  It's pathetic and sad.  One should pity them, but then again they've gone well past the point of pity.

Ultimately, CO is trying to be like other weak mmorpgs out there, and it's failing for it.  The fact that they are adding a new, lame power no one really likes, and trying to force power chaining into a game that is NOT designed for chaining, and the fact that they are making chaining in a way as to make it feel repetitive, proves it.

I know a lot of players who'd love to play CoX if it really came back.  Because CO just went into such a negative decline, strapped a rocket to itself and then pointed further downwards, leaves people hating it rather than just pitying it :/.  And nerf trolls and the devs are both to blame for it.

[Angel Phoenix77]

Don't you think this whole retreating to CoHtitan after an argument and talking as though some of us don't exist in both places is a little bit in bad taste?

Brou, not to dogpile, but this is the only way for those who wish to have an actual conversation about co. Without all of th co cheerleaders and the self appointed "forum cartel" who has to run off any kind of idea that is not there.
I think Soul does have a point about posting here, atleast here he wont get bullied into leaving. Here his points will be taken seriously. If you know what I am saying.

[Soul Resonance]

Brou, not to dogpile, but this is the only way for those who wish to have an actual conversation about co. Without all of th co cheerleaders and the self appointed "forum cartel" who has to run off any kind of idea that is not there.
I think Soul does have a point about posting here, atleast here he wont get bullied into leaving. Here his points will be taken seriously. If you know what I am saying.

Pretty much..and I'm not trying to talk down the in-game community, they're great!. Also, I've never had an issue with you either and therefore your not included in my issue with the forumers there..Hell, even Jonsill believes this to be a bit..far-fetched in changes, or so I believed from his post..

[Xev]

Hey at least you guys got Brou to post... Every time I fight Warlord I think of Brou and every time Brou posts I think of Warlord.

Never was much into politics. Nearly that whole thing, above, went right over my head. I'm more of a nuts and bolts guy.

Having said that.. I don't have spreadsheets full of comparative parsed data or any scientific formulas for choosing powers or cookie cuttering builds. Just an instinct for the pve jugular. People who (within the rules and using playing skill) break the game I'm playing the most spectacularly are generally my heroes and inspiration. Malicious Exploiters are excluded (anyone can 'sploit), literally breaking the game is excluded, and abusing your power is excluded.

I never had 2gm in a build except to try it, I never had AoPM until fairly recently and it's still only on one toon who is 100% support and doesn't get played a lot lately (retcon costs) and will probly get retconned back into AoRP + AoED. I never had Strafing Run except to try it... what else.. Sentry Mastery? Not in a single build. I generally avoid nerf bait and mainstream. But in CO you never know what the nerf bait is. They even nerf vendor loot.

[Xev]

Serious Brou, you should post more here. We don't hear from you for months and then we are talking about how we are fed up with power changes and you magically appear and make a vanilla repost titled "Power Changes' and then poof again. And now this, here.

I mean, if you're lurking why not say something once in awhile. Tell us what you're up to or whatever. Talk about the game some. After all this time about all I know about you is that you play a blue dog and have good fight tips.

[LaughingAlex]

Aye, I'm with Xev on this one.  Brou, don't be afraid of posting here more.  Believe it or not but your on my list of "good people who do play CO" .  I actually rarely post here anymore, simply because I've been playing other games.  I still don't mind talking about CO once in a while, so sometimes I see something come up here and I reply.  Granted, I have little to say anymore of CO, all of my more positive ideas for the game had come and gone, so to speak, here.

Regarding the original post, yeah at least this time people are seeing it as a clear troll attempt over there.  I'd still worry a bit if I was playing CO still(since we never know if the devs are having a stupid day when they read it).

Of course, I still think the TGM changes are very stupid.  People saying the costs are managable are probably testing with late-game/end-game equipment, likewise, with max energy reduction.  I normally stopped playing characters at 40 not very long after, so any power that was ridiculously expensive to use I discarded as "awesome, but useless, since other things do the same thing just as well with far more practical application".  Yes, even force cascade often fell into that category.  As I said, CO wasn't designed with over complex power chaining.  Lightning was actually one of the few more balanced powers where you weren't spending all day renewing clinging flame abilities like fire imo.  It matched the pace of CO.

Why do I say complex power chaining sucks?  Cause most mobs don't even have enough health to survive anything!  They all die within seconds anyways, the only time you ever have to ever worry about 'chaining' anything is against legendary enemies.  Anything else?  Nope, they are to fragile.  So naturally at most you'd see me fry them in a quarter second with lightning storm/avalanche.  Because they are practical abilities.

CO's forum goers who seem to want "balance" the most also seem to forget about usability, like the idiots who designed the Davy Crocket.  Sure, it's a nuclear rocket propelled grenade, but no one could survive the fallout from it .  I suppose Two Gun now is like firing two desert eagles, the endurance drain is because your character is breaking their wrists and have to reload the stupid things in a second after firing them.  Sure, it's 'awesome' but it's useless.

In other news, free specialist?  Uh, how many people view CO as poorly as I do these days?

[Xev]

In other news, free specialist?  Uh, how many people view CO as poorly as I do these days?

I like CO, a lot. The only complaints about CO you'll find from me is when part of it is gimped or destroyed.

Kaos likes the game and he's subbed. I like it and I'm not. We both have the same problem right now and that is we don't trust what is happening with power changes so we're not even making new builds anymore and are in wait and see mode for what part of the game gets wiped out next.

And who's bright idea was it to take the vendor from outside of AE where you could sell off what you don't want to auction easily and put it in front of lag central over there by the Powerhouse and Defender?

The game is awesome. When they're not kicking it. And yeah, there is a ton of new good stuff too but as with hard nerfing during CO anniversaries... the party's over before it even got started.

[LaughingAlex]

I mostly speak of the direction.  How'd I explain?

I'd love to continue to like CO, but I cannot, because it's constantly being broken and made worst.  As you just said, the party is over before it got started.  They often overshadow any new thing with more game breaking nerfs and general moves as if they got the head under the sand while their brain sneaks over to that nearby cliff.  That, doesn't really make sense, but then it feels nothing makes sense in CO.

I log in, my character has a modest amount of cost reduction gear.  Two gun takes 21 energy and 15 per half second.  Yeah, anyone saying it's still a good power are those who make cripplingly overspecialized characters with only the ego stat when others can get the same results with other sets/powers with a far more versatile stat selection.

I want to like the game but I can't.

[Xev]

Good time for a break, like you're doing.

Direction in CO? It's a circle..  vs. having any kind of goal.

I never used to understand posts like this when I started playing. I mean, nerfs happen. I don't like getting circle nerfed tho.

[Kaos Arcanna]

I like CO, a lot. The only complaints about CO you'll find from me is when part of it is gimped or destroyed.

Kaos likes the game and he's subbed. I like it and I'm not. We both have the same problem right now and that is we don't trust what is happening with power changes so we're not even making new builds anymore and are in wait and see mode for what part of the game gets wiped out next.

And who's bright idea was it to take the vendor from outside of AE where you could sell off what you don't want to auction easily and put it in front of lag central over there by the Powerhouse and Defender?

The game is awesome. When they're not kicking it. And yeah, there is a ton of new good stuff too but as with hard nerfing during CO anniversaries... the party's over before it even got started.

They are literally making changes every week right now.

The latest thing is device cooldown triggering when you equip them, and they are going to add a global debuff cap.

I am hoping that it's building towards something new we're going to get ... the equivalent of Enhancement Diversification that led to Invention Origin Enhancements, for example.

But right now I'm dealing with eight toons who've had changes made to their powers because of balancing, and I'm just not willing to make the effort to level anything else that might need a Retcon before it even hits 40.

[Xev]

They are literally making changes every week right now.

The latest thing is device cooldown triggering when you equip them, and they are going to add a global debuff cap.

I am hoping that it's building towards something new we're going to get ... the equivalent of Enhancement Diversification that led to Invention Origin Enhancements, for example.

But right now I'm dealing with eight toons who've had changes made to their powers because of balancing, and I'm just not willing to make the effort to level anything else that might need a Retcon before it even hits 40.

I ... understand the feeling you are trying to convey. Baelog (the OP's OP), I'm pretty sure, understands the feeling too. He was in Rampagers last nite and the OP's OP came up. He was conveying the feeling that we have been, here.

It's not about a single power or a single change to the game. It's about messing with people's comfort zone. Plus, how long have 2gm users had to fear getting nerfed? Years. Whenever You find a power that you think is awesome ... does that fear kick in...? If you've played long enough I bet it does.

In the case of 2gm, nerfing it has been a topic ever since I started playing and was the main reason initially that I didn't take that power. So I didn't get to enjoy it either.

After finally trying it to say I tried it, yeah, it's great but I just never found a use for it. I'm one of those people who would probably like the new version better BUT I would neeeeever say to people that have used the power for awhile now and have built a playstyle around it "the new way this power I never really liked that much and always thought w(sh)ould be nerfed but that YOU seemed to like for some reason, (Edit...) works, is better now than it was before, I know this because I never use the power and you always do and now I might use it but to you it feels broken to useless".  Like I saw in Rampagers last nite. My silent reaction was "if the new version of the power is so great then why didn't they just come up with a new power and leave the current (insert any plethora of CO comfort zone playthings and places but in this case we are talking about:) 2gm alone.

Just be thankful Cryptic didn't develop chess. "I can't believe that Queen nerf finally came down! Well, you always knew she was OP.."

With the exception of being able to chain 5 (15 second duration and on much shorter cooldown) Eruptions.... I can't say as I've seen one really truly game fixing nerf come down since I started playing.  They mostly just make people unhappy. 

They can't even claim victory with Eruptions. Nope. They went to far. Now it's nearly useless, and, more overpriced than it ever was as an added slap to the face. Eruptions were great because they were Get Out Of Jail Free cards. Those don't exist in RL but everyone wants them. Did they break the game after the device chain nerf came down? Not for me and almost all my toons had/have one. I tried never to use them just due to Get Out Of Jail Free cards are nerf bait in eeeevery game and not to be relied on.. But now they just suck.

Anyway. Yeah. Walking in and taking a big steamy dump in someone's comfort zone is a no-no. Repeatedly doing it really makes for unpopularity. I always assumed your hopes when I started playing, Kaos.

I am hoping that it's building towards something new we're going to get ... the equivalent of Enhancement Diversification that led to Invention Origin Enhancements, for example.

But what have the past years since CoH's shutdown given us? That's my benchmark. I was playing CoH before that and other stuff before that. I missed the whole CO tradeskill and support toon nerf era.

[Xev]

Just want to add that I'm having fun playing, as ever. Had a nice long marathon TA run last night in a good team and then there was the really bad RL day recently that got somehow turned around by getting a DUC (a virtual trinket in a video game) 2 minutes after I logged on.

Posts like mine, above, look angry when I re-read them. it's more exasperation than anything. Hoping that things don't get to the point where CO's not my game anymore due to it's just not as fun anymore due to as soon as I get my ducks in a row someone shoots them.

I'm used to seeing certain people online. I'm used to playing CO and would like to keep doing it.

Had to fix a mile long ranty sentence above too so it makes.... more.. sense. ha

[LaughingAlex]

I ... understand the feeling you are trying to convey. Baelog (the OP's OP), I'm pretty sure, understands the feeling too. He was in Rampagers last nite and the OP's OP came up. He was conveying the feeling that we have been, here.

It's not about a single power or a single change to the game. It's about messing with people's comfort zone. Plus, how long have 2gm users had to fear getting nerfed? Years. Whenever You find a power that you think is awesome ... does that fear kick in...? If you've played long enough I bet it does.

In the case of 2gm, nerfing it has been a topic ever since I started playing and was the main reason initially that I didn't take that power. So I didn't get to enjoy it either.

After finally trying it to say I tried it, yeah, it's great but I just never found a use for it. I'm one of those people who would probably like the new version better BUT I would neeeeever say to people that have used the power for awhile now and have built a playstyle around it "the new way this power I never really liked that much and always thought w(sh)ould be nerfed but that YOU seemed to like for some reason, (Edit...) works, is better now than it was before, I know this because I never use the power and you always do and now I might use it but to you it feels broken to useless".  Like I saw in Rampagers last nite. My silent reaction was "if the new version of the power is so great then why didn't they just come up with a new power and leave the current (insert any plethora of CO comfort zone playthings and places but in this case we are talking about:) 2gm alone.

Just be thankful Cryptic didn't develop chess. "I can't believe that Queen nerf finally came down! Well, you always knew she was OP.."

With the exception of being able to chain 5 (15 second duration and on much shorter cooldown) Eruptions.... I can't say as I've seen one really truly game fixing nerf come down since I started playing.  They mostly just make people unhappy. 

They can't even claim victory with Eruptions. Nope. They went to far. Now it's nearly useless, and, more overpriced than it ever was as an added slap to the face. Eruptions were great because they were Get Out Of Jail Free cards. Those don't exist in RL but everyone wants them. Did they break the game after the device chain nerf came down? Not for me and almost all my toons had/have one. I tried never to use them just due to Get Out Of Jail Free cards are nerf bait in eeeevery game and not to be relied on.. But now they just suck.

Anyway. Yeah. Walking in and taking a big steamy dump in someone's comfort zone is a no-no. Repeatedly doing it really makes for unpopularity. I always assumed your hopes when I started playing, Kaos.

But what have the past years since CoH's shutdown given us? That's my benchmark. I was playing CoH before that and other stuff before that. I missed the whole CO tradeskill and support toon nerf era.

The talk of comfort zone and the loss of popularity is wholly what I mean when I say they are killing the game :/.  Honestly I've always been in the "buff the weaker stuff and then up the mob damage" camp.  Such gameplay to me has always been much funner, as you had to be more tactical in your targeting and positioning in such games where damage is higher.  I think thats why I liked CoX so much.  It took another player to truely explain to me, but the damage being strong, buffs/debuffs to block it were strong, as was crowd control.  CoX had a better pace, inspite the slower power animations, because you had to react and do things about things.

But CO just never gets there.  They nerf high damage stuff, and leave the damage and pace very slow with player reaction times being short, but you still have no decisions to make.  Power chaining is not making a decision.  It's just hitting a set of powers in the same order over and over again.  What separated CoX from CO, was you had decisions to make in CoX, even snappier ones, while CO there never really was that.  And then they just nerf nerf nerf higher damage to lower ends to appease the more jealous.

It certainly messes with comfort zones, by making the game a slog.