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Justice League (Possible Spoilers)
« on: November 16, 2017, 11:05:51 PM »
It's as jaw-droppingly awful as the trailers made it look - perhaps even more so, if that's possible - a 300 million dollar exercise in self-humiliation by DC that's stands out even among the insultingly dreadful dumpster fire that passes for their "cinematic universe".

All the usual train-wreck flaws from the previous movies are front and center - a non-existent plot, pitiful dialogue, characters so far from their comic book origins that they can't even be considered parodies, amateur level cinematography and CGI that would've looked bad in a Playstation 2 cutscene.

Affleck - the only member of the trinity with any form of acting ability - alternates between bored and tired, while Cavill and Gadot give their usual dead-eyed, blank-faced soulless mannequin "performances".

The character meant to be Aquaman is laughable - the character meant to be the Flash is indescribable - and the character meant to be Cyborg is nothing - a blank void of nothing.

The villain/miniboss manages to make every Marvel cinematic villain look like Heath Ledger's Joker, and manages to outdo even the most recent Fantastic Four movie to take the prize as the biggest movie insult to Jack Kirby.

The "movie" - if it can even be called that - is incompetent on every conceivable level, and the only form of skill on display is whatever it was that enabled them to take something as great as the Justice League and turn it into something as wretched as this.

There isn't a single shred of charm, warmth, wit, humanity, heart or soul to be found anywhere in it - and it's only redeeming feature is that it's mercifully the shortest of these DC "movies" so far.
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Re: Justice League (Possible Spoilers)
« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2017, 02:00:15 AM »
Not seen it yet but I'm nonplussed given what a huge Zach Snyder fangirl you usually are.

They lost me when they decided to CGI out Cavill's moustache. White pancake makeup or GTFO >:O

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Re: Justice League (Possible Spoilers)
« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2017, 06:15:54 AM »
... amateur level cinematography and CGI that would've looked bad in a Playstation 2 cutscene.

This is absolutely true.   

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Re: Justice League (Possible Spoilers)
« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2017, 07:11:29 AM »
Not seen it yet but I'm nonplussed given what a huge Zach Snyder fangirl you usually are.

They lost me when they decided to CGI out Cavill's moustache. White pancake makeup or GTFO >:O

In keeping with the general tone of this "movie", it would have been simpler and cheaper just to have Cavill hold his cape in front of his face the whole time.
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Re: Justice League (Possible Spoilers)
« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2017, 10:44:33 AM »
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characters so far from their comic book origins that they can't even be considered parodies

This is my biggest problem with the DCCU, I watched about half of Man of Steel and just got bored. It wasn't Superman (And I don't mind Reboots or alternate versions at all) it was "Superman" as Imagined by someone who has only read the GrimDark 90s Superman deconstructions. Between that and the god awful "religious" symbolism it felt like it was made by a 13 year old.

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« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2017, 02:42:44 PM »
It's as jaw-droppingly awful as the trailers made it look - perhaps even more so, if that's possible - a 300 million dollar exercise in self-humiliation by DC that's stands out even among the insultingly dreadful dumpster fire that passes for their "cinematic universe".

All the usual train-wreck flaws from the previous movies are front and center - a non-existent plot, pitiful dialogue, characters so far from their comic book origins that they can't even be considered parodies, amateur level cinematography and CGI that would've looked bad in a Playstation 2 cutscene.

Affleck - the only member of the trinity with any form of acting ability - alternates between bored and tired, while Cavill and Gadot give their usual dead-eyed, blank-faced soulless mannequin "performances".

The character meant to be Aquaman is laughable - the character meant to be the Flash is indescribable - and the character meant to be Cyborg is nothing - a blank void of nothing.

The villain/miniboss manages to make every Marvel cinematic villain look like Heath Ledger's Joker, and manages to outdo even the most recent Fantastic Four movie to take the prize as the biggest movie insult to Jack Kirby.

The "movie" - if it can even be called that - is incompetent on every conceivable level, and the only form of skill on display is whatever it was that enabled them to take something as great as the Justice League and turn it into something as wretched as this.

There isn't a single shred of charm, warmth, wit, humanity, heart or soul to be found anywhere in it - and it's only redeeming feature is that it's mercifully the shortest of these DC "movies" so far.

So, tell us how you really feel about it.

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Re: Justice League (Possible Spoilers)
« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2017, 05:19:51 PM »
This is my biggest problem with the DCCU, I watched about half of Man of Steel and just got bored. It wasn't Superman (And I don't mind Reboots or alternate versions at all) it was "Superman" as Imagined by someone who has only read the GrimDark 90s Superman deconstructions. Between that and the god awful "religious" symbolism it felt like it was made by a 13 year old.

The thing meant to be Aquaman in this latest insult to the DC universe is portrayed as a typical dude-bro, with no sense of the power and majesty that the king of Atlantis should have. And what makes it even more laughable, and yet another example of WB's total incompetence and lack of planning, is that the the Aquaman solo movie is supposed to have a heavy horror movie vibe, so the frat-boy of Atlantis caricature  is obviously going to mesh so well with that idea.
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« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2017, 09:58:07 PM »
Frat boys and horror movies do go hand in hand...

But that Aquaman just ain't blonde enough.  He didn't look blonde at all to me in earlier trailers.  Only recently did I see the frosted tips and streaks.

My favourite Aquaman is the bombastic adventurer in Batman the Brave and the Bold.
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Re: Justice League (Possible Spoilers)
« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2017, 11:02:13 PM »
My favourite Aquaman is the bombastic adventurer in Batman the Brave and the Bold.

Outrageous! We'll call it the adventure of the frosted tip frat boy!

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Re: Justice League (Possible Spoilers)
« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2017, 11:43:12 PM »
The thing meant to be Aquaman in this latest insult to the DC universe is portrayed as a typical dude-bro, with no sense of the power and majesty that the king of Atlantis should have. And what makes it even more laughable, and yet another example of WB's total incompetence and lack of planning, is that the the Aquaman solo movie is supposed to have a heavy horror movie vibe, so the frat-boy of Atlantis caricature  is obviously going to mesh so well with that idea.


[writer speak]Bu bu bu..Aquaman was totally uncool, we deconstructed him by making him what is considered cool these days, you see its like he is the opposite of what he was in superfriends. [/writer speak]

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« Reply #10 on: November 18, 2017, 01:01:24 AM »

[writer speak]Bu bu bu..Aquaman was totally uncool, we deconstructed him by making him what is considered cool these days, you see its like he is the opposite of what he was in superfriends. [/writer speak]

"My ability to speak to fish doesn't seem to be helping."

Also just saw that JL will make 'only' about $95 million opening weekend. Its sad how much movies cost these days when $95 million is considered a bad box office number.
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« Reply #11 on: November 18, 2017, 04:18:07 AM »
I think it'll open higher than that - anything under 100 million would be a whole new level of humiliation for WB.
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Re: Justice League (Possible Spoilers)
« Reply #12 on: November 18, 2017, 09:43:20 AM »
"My ability to speak to fish doesn't seem to be helping."

Also just saw that JL will make 'only' about $95 million opening weekend. Its sad how much movies cost these days when $95 million is considered a bad box office number.

I don't think it is so much the Budget that makes the 95 Million weekend real bad. It is that if it is below 100 Million, then they are just screwed. it would mean that DC's gigantic thing that they spent movies setting up..didn't even out do a single Thor movie, and as underrated as I think the First Thor movie was..he is pretty  much the least well loved of the Avengers.

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« Reply #13 on: November 18, 2017, 05:36:38 PM »
Reports do seem to be suggesting that the weekend will be under 100 million - maybe even as low as 93 million - and to help put the scale of this disaster in even more hilarious terms - adjusted for inflation, Batman and Robin opened with 83 million.
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Re: Justice League (Possible Spoilers)
« Reply #14 on: November 18, 2017, 09:21:40 PM »
The thing meant to be Aquaman in this latest insult to the DC universe is portrayed as a typical dude-bro, with no sense of the power and majesty that the king of Atlantis should have. And what makes it even more laughable, and yet another example of WB's total incompetence and lack of planning, is that the the Aquaman solo movie is supposed to have a heavy horror movie vibe, so the frat-boy of Atlantis caricature  is obviously going to mesh so well with that idea.

There actually is a good reason for this.  By good I mean valid but not necessarily meaning it was a good decision.  The Aquaman in the movie is not the king of Atlantis... yet.  Supposedly part of his backstory which was cut from the movie is that he was in Atlantis as a child and had one mentor hyping him about how he was the rightful king.  But since he was a halfbreed his claim was rejected and he was treated like crap.  He got treated like Maximus did in the Inhumans tv show.  So he ran away from Atlantis while still a kid and basically wound up growing up as a beach bum. In that light his behavior fits perfectly. 

Aquaman becoming the king of Atlantis is supposed to be the story in his solo movie and the events take place after the JLA events. It will be the classic Hollywood story where the partying, shallow, thoughtless member of the family suddenly winds up with a ton of responsibility and  has to mature overnight to save his people.  It's like Buffy becoming the slayer. Oliver becoming Arrow. Ralph becoming Elongated Man, etc...

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Re: Justice League (Possible Spoilers)
« Reply #15 on: November 19, 2017, 12:15:26 AM »
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38 Million US Domestic so far, not a good sign.

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Re: Justice League (Possible Spoilers)
« Reply #16 on: November 19, 2017, 02:53:25 PM »
Generally, I found the movie to be quite entertaining, but the plot was horribly simplistic and rife with holes. Steppenwolf's mission seemed way too easy for him.

Okay, Batsy. Superman is a beacon. But how?! So far, the whole franchise has only shown Supes is good for one thing: punches. That's not what makes Superman a beacon. These writers seem utterly incapable of showing "how," so they simple tell us. I guess part of this blame goes to Cavill, as well.

The last things that should be changed about this movie are Flash and Aquaman. They saved Justice League from being more overly depressing crap.

They probably should have used a live actor for Steppenwolf.
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Re: Justice League (Possible Spoilers)
« Reply #17 on: November 20, 2017, 03:35:45 AM »
Ok yeah, that was really awful. Not quite as bad as Suicide Squad but that could just be the absence of Will Smith.

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« Reply #18 on: November 20, 2017, 05:23:18 AM »
I saw the movie over the weekend and I think it's an ok movie. I really enjoyed it and I was entertained surprisingly. If you turn off your brain you'll have a good time. First and foremost, everyone is complaining about Henry Cavil's CGI face. I didn't even notice it at all. In my opinion I think they could've done a little bit more on Cyborg's character and his back story. It felt very jarring to me. I like how they did with The Flash. He's surprisingly funny and they made him nerdy. The Flash is my favorite character in the movie and he's my favorite superhero.  Batman and Wonder Women were ok. I don't like Aquaman's character. I DIDN'T like how they brought back Superman! I'm not a Superman fan but, the way they did it was disrespectful to me. DC ABSOLUTELY need to have a better villain. For the first time I'm really interested in seeing the extended cut of this. The movie was too short for me. Last but, not least I couldn't tell which segment was Snyder and which segment was Whedon.
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« Reply #19 on: November 20, 2017, 02:39:56 PM »
It's as jaw-droppingly awful as the trailers made it look - perhaps even more so, if that's possible - a 300 million dollar exercise in self-humiliation by DC that's stands out even among the insultingly dreadful dumpster fire that passes for their "cinematic universe".

All the usual train-wreck flaws from the previous movies are front and center - a non-existent plot, pitiful dialogue, characters so far from their comic book origins that they can't even be considered parodies, amateur level cinematography and CGI that would've looked bad in a Playstation 2 cutscene.

Affleck - the only member of the trinity with any form of acting ability - alternates between bored and tired, while Cavill and Gadot give their usual dead-eyed, blank-faced soulless mannequin "performances".

The character meant to be Aquaman is laughable - the character meant to be the Flash is indescribable - and the character meant to be Cyborg is nothing - a blank void of nothing.

The villain/miniboss manages to make every Marvel cinematic villain look like Heath Ledger's Joker, and manages to outdo even the most recent Fantastic Four movie to take the prize as the biggest movie insult to Jack Kirby.

The "movie" - if it can even be called that - is incompetent on every conceivable level, and the only form of skill on display is whatever it was that enabled them to take something as great as the Justice League and turn it into something as wretched as this.

There isn't a single shred of charm, warmth, wit, humanity, heart or soul to be found anywhere in it - and it's only redeeming feature is that it's mercifully the shortest of these DC "movies" so far.

So, tell us what you really though...

And I see that I'm the second person to say this.  That's the problem with posting before reading the rest of the comments.  Ha!

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