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Black Panther
« on: February 19, 2018, 02:30:04 AM »
This movie is one of the best Marvel movies in the MCU since The Winter Soldier in my opinion. I'm glad we get to see an all black superhero movie that's done right with no stereotypes towards black people. I love how they use the African culture in the movie. I love the score, one of the best soundtrack so far. I love how the movie treats the cast like it's another superhero movie like what Wonder Woman did and I strongly believe that everyone should be treated equally no matter what gender, race, and sexuality you are. I know I sound political but, the movie is a little political and it does have a message in there. My favorite character is Killmonger because he's sympathetic and I understand his motivation and why he's doing to it. Killmonger is one of the best villains in the MCU since Vulture and Loki.

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Re: Black Panther
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2018, 02:43:38 AM »
I still like Captain America: Winter Soldier a little more, but I have to say it's a REALLY really good film.

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« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2018, 02:51:33 AM »
Non-spoiler review. 

Black Panther.  9.5 out of 10.  Why are you still reading this, when you could be standing in line to see it?

The Good:

The cast.  I believe this movie has the strongest cast of any MCU movie.  Chadwick Boseman is awesome as T"Challa.  Michael B. Jordan has an extremely strong portrayal as Erik Killmonger.  Danai Gurira as Okoye - the head of the Dora Milaje - could have been a throw away character but is a very interesting and deep secondary character.  I have very few complaints about the casting in the movie from top to bottom.  I'd say the weakest cast member was probably Martin Freeman, but that's less due to his acting and more to the role he had to play in this movie as the outsider.

The portrayal of women.  The women in general are very strong characters, from Angela Basette as T'Challa's mother to Letitia Wright as his sister and head of science and technology for the country of Wakanda - aka Wakandan's answer to Tony Stark.  Okoye in particular I found very well done as a character.  She was strong, had personality, had her own internal compass and her own internal conflict and her own internal resolutions.

The African connection.  Better and more appropriate people than I will better articulate this, but the movie's infusion of a foreign culture that is not just a derivative of western American culture that stands alone is commendable.  The movie isn't just diverse in casting, or even in point of view, but in total perspective.  When Shuri wide-cracks casually about "colonizers" it seemed perfectly normal.

The villain.  Erik Killmonger is in my opinion the second best MCU villain after Loki and probably one of the best super hero movie genre villains period.  He reminds me most of Magneto from the first X-Men movie, coincidentally and amusingly also named Erik.  Magneto is a Holocaust survivor who believes humanity will do to mutants what the Germans once did to Jews and others, and he's not entirely wrong.  He believes this justifies any act in his war against humanity.  Erik Killmonger has a similar kind of motivation in that whether you agree with him or not, you can understand him.  His actions brand him a villain, but he isn't an impossible to understand one.  You almost root for him.


The Bad:

The CGI was weak at times, but it was never distracting for me.  Also, my popcorn was a little stale.


Watch for:

In the prologue there is an appearance by an younger T'Chaka, T'Challa's father.  He bears an uncanny resemblance to John Kani, the actor who played T'Challa in Captain America the Winter Soldier.  That's because he's played by John Kani's son.  No CGI de-aging there.


Overall:

What, you're still here?  Go, buy ticket.  Watch movie.

There's a lot I could say about this movie.  But bottom line, its a great movie.  It is a great super hero movie, and it is a great MCU movie, but even if you've never seen an MCU movie before, even if you've seen MCU movies before and hated them, go see this movie.  This is just a really good film.

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Re: Black Panther
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2018, 02:54:37 AM »
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No Soul Stone?! Where is the Soul Stone?!

Not sure if this is a significant spoiler, but:

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Maybe the intent is for the reveal itself to be a major plot point of Infinity War

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Re: Black Panther
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2018, 02:12:03 PM »
I still like Captain America: Winter Soldier a little more, but I have to say it's a REALLY really good film.

I hope people from Warner and DC were in the audience taking notes.

They really need to step up the game. Marvel just kills them in the films.

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« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2018, 05:14:33 PM »
Probably the most enjoyable Marvel movie for me. Didn't feel so much like a superhero movie (in a good way). Everything was otherworldly, including the scenes outside of Wakanda. Score/soundtrack was awesome. Actors were amazing. Plot was typical but true to the source.

However, a few complaints:
  • So much going on that T'Challa got lost amongst it, betweeen the Dora Milaje, Shuri, M'Baku, Killmonger, and Wakanda, itself.
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Re: Black Panther
« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2018, 03:01:30 PM »
I hope people from Warner and DC were in the audience taking notes.

They really need to step up the game. Marvel just kills them in the films.

The WB people don't read comics so they're unlikely to watch comic book movies.
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« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2018, 12:51:23 AM »
The WB people don't read comics so they're unlikely to watch comic book movies.

If they want to make good movies they will

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« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2018, 05:06:26 PM »
If they want to make good movies they will

So far they've shown no sign that they're even aiming as high as making mediocre movies.
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« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2018, 06:12:16 PM »
So far they've shown no sign that they're even aiming as high as making mediocre movies.

Wonder Woman was a fluke it seems. They just got lucky.




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« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2018, 08:40:14 PM »
Wonder Woman was a fluke it seems. They just got lucky.

WB is the M Night Shyamalan of studios.

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« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2018, 10:05:37 PM »
Wonder Woman was a fluke it seems. They just got lucky.

And made an awful movie instead of a staggeringly awful movie.
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« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2018, 10:49:34 PM »
And made an awful movie instead of a staggeringly awful movie.

I didn't think so. Enjoyed it a lot. Certainly better then most of their other ones.

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« Reply #13 on: February 24, 2018, 05:09:53 AM »
I didn't think so. Enjoyed it a lot. Certainly better then most of their other ones.

That's what I said - it was an awful movie, so it was a major step up from their other efforts.
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Re: Black Panther
« Reply #14 on: February 28, 2018, 07:39:55 AM »
    Finally saw it. Liked it and I hate almost everything. Was formulaic but had actual likable characters and wasn't wall to wall dad jokes. Also Man-Ape!

  • In particular, Klaw was such a huge, colossal waste.

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« Reply #15 on: February 28, 2018, 11:52:43 PM »
In 2008, WB, with ownership of the entire DC universe, released the Dark Knight, one of the greatest comic book movies of all time - in the same year Marvel released Iron Man as an attempt to start a cinematic universe in spite of not owning the rights to the Fantastic Four, Spider-man or the X-Men.

10 years later, a Black Panther movie made more in its second weekend than a Justice League movie did in its first.

Does the dictionary even have a word for this level of incompetence and self-humiliation?
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Re: Black Panther
« Reply #16 on: March 01, 2018, 01:20:46 PM »
Well, imo, Dark Knight was a horror show... and I don't mean genre-wise. It's everything that a superhero movie should never be.
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« Reply #17 on: March 03, 2018, 05:39:33 AM »
"Wakanda will work to be an example of how we, as brothers and sisters on this earth, should treat each other"

So we recommend that all the nations of the world adopt hereditary absolute monarchy and determine national policy - like whether or not to engage in world-wide conquest and genocide - through TRIAL BY COMBAT to the death!
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« Reply #18 on: March 03, 2018, 07:42:38 PM »
In 2008, WB, with ownership of the entire DC universe, released the Dark Knight, one of the greatest comic book movies of all time - in the same year Marvel released Iron Man as an attempt to start a cinematic universe in spite of not owning the rights to the Fantastic Four, Spider-man or the X-Men.

10 years later, a Black Panther movie made more in its second weekend than a Justice League movie did in its first.

Does the dictionary even have a word for this level of incompetence and self-humiliation?

Yes: Warner Brothers (ok - 2 words)

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« Reply #19 on: March 06, 2018, 03:58:19 AM »
Finally saw this.  I thought the Fresh Prince of Bel Air style music in the intro with the kids playing basketball was cute.  It was even cuter when Killmonger came into the throne room and it started upside down and rotated around to him sitting in the throne.

That said, I liked everyone in the movie except Killmonger.  He was just an angry stereotype with no charisma.  The armored rhinos had more interesting personalities.  But I'll give him a pass as the catalyst that set the events in motion which allowed all the other characters to shine.  In many ways, all the supporting characters outshone the titular hero as well as the villain.  And the setting of Wakanda was wonderfully realized, too.  The conflict between Black Panther and Killmonger seemed... small, somehow, in the scheme of things.  Central to what was going on, but dwarfed by it all as well.

It's too bad they killed Klaw, though.
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« Reply #20 on: March 06, 2018, 08:54:00 AM »
In 2008, WB, with ownership of the entire DC universe, released the Dark Knight, one of the greatest comic book movies of all time - in the same year Marvel released Iron Man as an attempt to start a cinematic universe in spite of not owning the rights to the Fantastic Four, Spider-man or the X-Men.

10 years later, a Black Panther movie made more in its second weekend than a Justice League movie did in its first.

Does the dictionary even have a word for this level of incompetence and self-humiliation?

Inept.

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« Reply #21 on: March 06, 2018, 08:41:16 PM »
Merriam-Webster just added "dumpster fire" to the dictionary, so...
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« Reply #22 on: March 07, 2018, 01:00:02 PM »

It's too bad they killed Klaw, though.

Without even turning him into LIVING SOUND!
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« Reply #23 on: March 07, 2018, 02:24:22 PM »
Without even turning him into LIVING SOUND!
He's probably uploaded on Soundcloud.

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« Reply #24 on: March 12, 2018, 03:37:48 AM »
Yikes. Black Panther now grossed over 1 Billion worldwide.

Take that DC.

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« Reply #25 on: March 27, 2018, 11:43:13 PM »
Yikes. Black Panther now grossed over 1 Billion worldwide.

Take that DC.

Patience is a virtue.  Black Panther just surpassed the gold standard, Marvel's Avengers movie, as the top domestic grossing superhero genre movie.  Carefully curating your property beats swinging for the fences with every try.

It is also slowly closing in on Jurassic World and Titanic for the top three highest domestic grossing movie of all time (not adjusted for inflation).

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« Reply #26 on: March 28, 2018, 02:19:51 PM »
Patience is a virtue.  Black Panther just surpassed the gold standard, Marvel's Avengers movie, as the top domestic grossing superhero genre movie.  Carefully curating your property beats swinging for the fences with every try.

It is also slowly closing in on Jurassic World and Titanic for the top three highest domestic grossing movie of all time (not adjusted for inflation).

Like I said - take that DC.

They came to the party too late. Marvel, as you say, had the patience to let it all play out and build up their movie franchise.

DC had decent Batman and Superman films in 1978 and 1989. They should have though about it way back then, to start building up a film universe, but they didn't.
The Flash TV show was on in 1990. There was a Superboy show. The timing would have been good.

No surprise though that Infinity War will probably beat this film hands down.


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« Reply #27 on: March 29, 2018, 03:11:45 AM »
They came to the party too late.

Actually, they only thought that they had - they started playing a game of catch up that only existed in their heads, and rushed everything in a race that no one else was running.
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« Reply #28 on: March 29, 2018, 05:23:54 AM »
Actually, they only thought that they had - they started playing a game of catch up that only existed in their heads, and rushed everything in a race that no one else was running.

I think DC was driven on by the idea that audiences would soon lose interest in super-hero films.   Based on that, rushing out movies would seem like a good idea.  In cliche, "strike while the iron is hot".

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« Reply #29 on: March 29, 2018, 02:20:19 PM »
I think DC was driven on by the idea that audiences would soon lose interest in super-hero films.   Based on that, rushing out movies would seem like a good idea.  In cliche, "strike while the iron is hot".

Honesty - Marvel setting up their film universe could have crashed and burned had 'Iron Man' not been the big hit that it was.
And after a few good ones under their belt, even a couple mediocre ones couldn't derail the train.

And on the flip side - look at the McGuire Spider-Man films. The first two were really good and did great and then fizzled out with the third.

The first Garfield film was good for a retread but the 2nd was just awful.

Glad they didn't waste yet another film doing his origin for the latest ones and just got on with it.