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How to install Paragon Chat in Linux, with wine
« on: April 15, 2019, 04:03:40 PM »
I figured I'd take a stab at doing something useful, so I sat down and hashed together a walkthrough for installing and running Paragon Chat on Linux, using wine!  (Disclaimer: I'm not an expert.  If anyone reading this is better at Linux than I, please step up and put me in my place  (I know you exist!))

My Linux distro is OpenSuSE Leap 42.3, but as far as I know the directory structure for Linux is the same for all distributions.  I don't think there will be any mysteries or surprises when I use my own directories as examples.

You'll want the latest version of wine, and the most up to date video drivers available to you.  This would be the *only* point in this process where you will need root access!  I'm assuming you know how to update your system.  ;)

The first thing you'll need to do is download the essentials.  You will need:
Paragon Chat (https://chat.cohtitan.com/release/ParagonChatBootstrap.exe) (Instructions: https://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Paragon_Chat)

If you still have the latest version of City of Heroes that existed when the servers shut down (Issue 23), you're in good shape, you'll just need to update them with Tequila (http://patch.savecoh.com/tequila.exe).  (Instructions: https://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Titan_Icon)  If you *don't* have CoH installed, I *believe* that Tequila will install the entire game for you.  I don't have much experience with Tequila, beyond updating my own files.  Don't try *running* Tequila just yet!

Once you're finished with the downloads, you'll want to create a new wineprefix.  Open up an XTerm window, or Konsole, or whatever terminal emulater with which you are familiar and/or comfortable, and enter:

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WINEPREFIX="/home/USER/.wineCOHDemo" WINEARCH=win64 wine wineboot
(If you're still using a 32-bit system, use "win32" instead.)

What you're doing here is creating a new .wine directory, in which City of Heroes and Paragon Chat will live.  You can give it whatever name you want that makes sense to you: .wineParagonChat, .winePChat, .wineCOH, .wineFooBar, .wineWhatEver!  Just make sure to use *that* to replace my placeholder name as you read along!

If you're unfamiliar with wineprefixes, they are basically new, separate installations for Windows programs.  Whatever you do to your .wineCOHDemo wineprefix will not affect your default .wine installation, and you can create other prefixes for other programs, or even the *same* program, if you're experimenting or troubleshooting.  And if you completey bork your .wineCOHDemo wineprefix, you can delete that specific directory and start all over again!

And here's why you'll want a separate wineprefix for Paragon Chat: your next step is to run this in your terminal:

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env WINEPREFIX="/home/USER/.wineCOHDemo" winecfg
(From this point on, every time you run a wine or windows command, you'll prepend it with "env WINEPREFIX="/home/USER/.wineCOHDemo"", for the same reasons as explained above.)

You've launched the winecfg program, and you should immediately be presented with the "Applications" tab, which will be the only thing you need to alter.  At the bottom is the entry for "Windows Version".  Mine defaults to Windows 7.  Change this to "Windows XP", then click "Apply", then "OK".  Windows XP works fine for my purposes (running Paragon Chat and City of Heroes!), but you're free to experiment at any time if you feel it's not working properly.

Now you'll be relocating your CoH installation, or creating a new one.  If City of Heroes already exists on your machine, simply COPY the entire "City of Heroes" directory, and paste it in /home/USER/.wineCOHDemo/drive_c/Program Files (x86) -- or, again, /home/USER/.wineCOHDemo/drive_c/Program Files if you're on a 32 bit machine!  In your terminal window, change directories to the CoH directory.  Copy Tequila.exe into this directory, and run:

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env WINEPREFIX="/home/USER/.wineCOHDemo" wine Tequila.exe
Then follow the instructions.  My inexperience with Tequila here is of little use.  On my machine, it throws errors and crashes out.  I'm hoping you have better luck!  If it works as I think it should, your CoH files should now be up to date.

If you're installing "fresh", I think Tequila also functions to install everything.

Once you have a functioning version of CoH in its home directory, it's time to install Paragon Chat:

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env WINEPREFIX="/home/USER/.wineCOHDemo" wine ParagonChatBootstrap.exe
It's safest to agree to the default settings.  You might write them down for future reference.  When it comes to the "Saved Costumes" and "Add Paragon Chat to Start" checkboxes, pick what you want, then click "Next", then "Finish"!

Once Paragon Chat is launched, and you get the Login screen, your username and password should be enough to get you in!

Now, if you want to launch the game from the command line, or you want to launch from a desktop icon, use this:

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env WINEPREFIX="/home/USER/.wineCOHDemo" wine "c:\users\USER\Application Data\ParagonChat\Bin\ParagonChat.exe"
I hope that this works for you right off the bat!  However, in my own experience, it doesn't want to work properly.  It opens the CoH character selection/creation screen just fine, but does not accept mouse-clicks!  I accidentally discovered that adding the flag "WINEDEBUG=warn+all" to the command line "fixes" this glitch -- sort of.  If you have this experience, try this:

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env WINEPREFIX="/home/USER/.wineCOHDemo" WINEDEBUG=warn+all wine "c:\users\USER\Application Data\ParagonChat\Bin\ParagonChat.exe"
It causes Paragon Chat to load far more slowly, which *might* be why/how it fixes the mouse-click thing.  And even with that, I've discovered a whole slew of *other* glitches that I've been unable to nail down and fix.  It makes everything after clicking "Log In" a bit fragile, BUT, I can eventually get a stable instance of Paragon Chat up and running, for several hours.

If you have similar problems with an unstable Paragon Chat, please refer to the post below!

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Because of the random, inconsistent unstable nature of Paragon Chat on my machine, I've had to resort to a trick in order to finally land a decent connection.  I describe it as being similar to throwing spaghetti at a brick wall until it eventually finally breaks the wall!  ^.^;

First, I have to set the Paragon Chat launcher up for "multi-tooning" (see: https://crashpositron.wixsite.com/pchat/multitooning).  I open the launcher, and click the "gear" icon (Paragon Chat options), expanding the window.  In that, I check the box for "Allow multiple instances" and add "-maxinactivefps 3" to the "Client command-line parameters" field.  These allow you to log multiple characters in at once!  Then I click the "Check Now" button, dismiss the "Paragon Chat is up to date" pop-up, and exit the client.  I only have to do this ONCE.  After this, these settings remain in place for future use.

After this, I start FOUR separate instances of the Paragon Chat launcher, simultaneously, and enter the password in each.  As soon as the progress bar in each one is full, I click "Log In", and wait for the windows to launch -- and probably crash!  In the first window that successfully launches, I select character #1, and then "Next" to enter the game, in the next I pick character #2 and so on.  If the window locks up at some point, I kill it.  If the character loads successfully -- well, if it's unstable, the screen might lock up, and I have to shut it down, or it may crash itself.  It may be stable for anywhere from 2 to 10 minutes until it crashes out.  If all four crash, or lock up, I just start over with four more attempts.

The goal is to get one, and hopefully more, instances of the game running.  On a good day, I get one out of four with no problems.  Sometimes it takes three or four attempts.  Ultimately, I'm able to get a nice, stable gaming session, and once that happens, it hums along like there's nothing wrong!

I've resisted begging for help as even with debug running, I've seen nothing in any of the error logs that is consistent enough to even give me a clue.  However, if anyone has any insight as to what would cause such random behavior, I'm open to suggestions!


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Re: How to install Paragon Chat in Linux, with wine
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2019, 03:24:00 PM »

There is a Linux version of Island Rum as well, I'd be grateful if you would test it in that environment:

http://ir.powermad.net/islandrum-linux.zip

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Re: How to install Paragon Chat in Linux, with wine
« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2019, 04:31:04 PM »
I'll give it a go next weekend!  :)

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Re: How to install Paragon Chat in Linux, with wine
« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2019, 11:52:08 AM »
There is a Linux version of Island Rum as well, I'd be grateful if you would test it in that environment:

http://ir.powermad.net/islandrum-linux.zip

I decided I could tackle this a bit sooner!  I'm experiencing some of the same issues others have done with the Mac version, as described in the other forum threads I've found, specifically the "Unauthorized Access Exception" errors.

The application launches quickly and nicely, and it begins "Scanning" out of the gate.  I assume it's looking for an existing CoH install to update, and if it fails to find it, will offer to create a fresh installation, but when I left it to it sit for a couple of hours, it was still 'Scanning" when I returned.  "Re-Scan" results in the errors mentioned above, followed by the application crashing after running uninterrupted for a few seconds.

I guess I need basic information.  Where do I place the Island Rum directory?  If I need to create a symbolic link to the existing or potential CoH directory, where do I place that link?

Basically, what am I doing wrong?  (Not "what's wrong with Island Rum".  I just assume it's my fault.  :)  )

This would be a better alternative to trying to run Tequila through wine, especially if that's going to bounce off of a SaveCoh.com reference that isn't there anymore!

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Re: How to install Paragon Chat in Linux, with wine
« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2019, 12:50:53 PM »

First you should Reset Path and tell it exactly where CoH is located.  Pick the folder, not one of the files inside the CoH folder.  It tries to guess on its own, but Linux is more complicated, so it's wrong more often than it's right.

After that, Re-Scan.  It should pick up the CoH folder and download files.

The access violation errors are because it's trying to create files in the wrong path.

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Re: How to install Paragon Chat in Linux, with wine
« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2019, 01:25:46 PM »
That's my problem then.  "Reset Path" doesn't seem to do anything.  It registers *something* as it causes the application to "blink" sometimes, but capturing the process to video and looking at the frames, it just causes the image to briefly change sizes.

Are there pre-requisites I need to install?  Your other posts mention winetricks.  When I run from command line, none of the output in the console complains of missing dependencies…

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Re: How to install Paragon Chat in Linux, with wine
« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2019, 03:40:26 PM »
Reset Path should make it immediately re-sync.  Hmmm....

Winetricks is for Wine apps (Windows emulated) only, so that wouldn't apply.

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Re: How to install Paragon Chat in Linux, with wine
« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2019, 05:24:23 PM »
It's not giving me the option of choosing the CoH folder.  That was implied in my last post, but I should have said so explicitly.

I thought that dropping the Island Rum executable and the Data directory both directly into the working CoH directory might help, but it doesn't.

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Re: How to install Paragon Chat in Linux, with wine
« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2019, 09:19:37 PM »

Ah, darn it.  That's what I get for not having a VM handy when I did the last build...

I'll add the dialog issue to the list for the next build.

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Tequila update… Re: How to install Paragon Chat in Linux, with wine
« Reply #10 on: April 19, 2019, 03:15:51 PM »
This morning, I chased those errors that Tequila.exe threw when I tried using it.

Turns out, Tequila requires DotNet 3.5.  Installing DotNet on your wineprefix requires winetricks.

To get winetricks, visit https://wiki.winehq.org/Winetricks and follow the instructions.  Once installed run it like this:

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env WINEPREFIX="/home/USER/.wineCOHDemo" winetricks
When the UI loads, click "Select the default wineprefix" (which may already be hilighted) and click "OK".
On the next screen, click "Install a Windows DLL or component" and then "OK".
Then, scroll down 'til you find "dotnet35          MS.NET 3.5", click that box, then click "OK".
As it installs, agree to the agreements, and dismiss any "error" pop-ups.  Once you click "Finish" on the last window, it should return you to the winetricks UI.  Just hit "esc" or click "cancel" to dismiss all the winetricks windows, because you're done with it!

(If any error pop-up instead dumps without restoring the winetricks UI, the installation was probably not successful, and you'll need to find that error and figure out what you need to fix it.)

As a bonus, in your selected wineprefix, you'll find other options besides "Install", including running winecfg, regedit, and other useful items.  Aside from winecfg, you'll need none of these others for this project, as far as I know!

Once I got .NET 3.5 in place, I ran tequila.exe as described in the original post.  *Without* an existing City of Heroes installation, Tequila does indeed download and install all of the I24 files.

At this point, you have options.  You can complete the setup as outlined in my original post, OR, as you'll notice, Tequila will also download, install, and run Paragon Chat for you.  And you may still encounter the same problems that I described in my original posts above!

As a final note: no winetricks tweaks are necessary for City of Heroes to run (unless someone has found one or more that solves my crashing issues!), and is *only* necessary to install the .NET framework that Tequila requires to operate.

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Re: How to install Paragon Chat in Linux, with wine
« Reply #11 on: April 19, 2019, 07:31:22 PM »
This work is awesome by the way!  I look forward to dual-booting my gaming laptop to try it out soon.
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Re: How to install Paragon Chat in Linux, with wine
« Reply #12 on: April 19, 2019, 07:55:54 PM »
This work is awesome by the way!  I look forward to dual-booting my gaming laptop to try it out soon.

Thank you!  I hope it all works for you right out of the gate.  :) 

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Re: How to install Paragon Chat in Linux, with wine
« Reply #13 on: April 19, 2019, 08:23:18 PM »
I'd forgotten that there was a reason that I chose to make Tequila work properly: I intend to test the installation process on my primary laptop, see if it reproduces the post-launcher glitches on a different machine.

No time for it today, so it'll have to wait until tomorrow after w*rk...

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Re: How to install Paragon Chat in Linux, with wine
« Reply #14 on: April 20, 2019, 01:10:15 AM »

I'd forgotten that there was a reason that I chose to make Tequila work properly: I intend to test the installation process on my primary laptop, see if it reproduces the post-launcher glitches on a different machine.

How does the Windows version of Island Rum work with it?

http://ir.powermad.net/islandrum-win.zip

Because if it works fine with Wine, I might just discontinue the Linux one as being overkill.  Since CoH requires Wine anyway...

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Re: How to install Paragon Chat in Linux, with wine
« Reply #15 on: April 20, 2019, 03:16:14 PM »
How does the Windows version of Island Rum work with it?

http://ir.powermad.net/islandrum-win.zip

Because if it works fine with Wine, I might just discontinue the Linux one as being overkill.  Since CoH requires Wine anyway...

I'm partial to the notion of a native linux launcher.  I only wish I had the skill to make that conversion!

On update: the Windows version of Island Rum works for me to an extent.  No winetricks necessary, thankfully!  It wouldn't let me click on anything once it launched, so I quit out and added the "WINEDEBUG=warn+all" to the command line.  Instead of being the fix that it seems to be for Paragon Chat, it apparently creates some sort of loop.  After some experimentation with the flags, I went with "WINEDEBUG=all", which seems to be the brute force "cure" for the bug for Island Rum, until I'm given a more elegant solution.

The next step is using Island Rum to either install or update an existing CoH directory.  I searches for the existing files, and if it finds none, or determines it needs to update, it begins to download.  However, it hangs on the download of the first file -- the progress bar doesnt move.

Then I tried running Island Rum from a fully updated CoH directory -- in this case, it was in the one that Tequila updated with Score data.  It verified that all of the files were up to date, and offered the Play button!  I pressed Play, and it launched Score/CoH successfully.  I entered my username and password, got the server selection… when using Tequila, this is where it throws an error, saying that I have the "Wrong game version".  Island Rum let me right in!   I created my first character (Sonarr, natch), entered the game, no sweat!  This *was* fairly early this morning, while everyone else slept off their Paragon hangover.    >;)   I played around for a few hours, rolling up new characters, levelling up, etc.

I'll make another test-run tomorrow, to see how many fits it gives me before letting me in again.

So, the only current issue with Island Rum for Windows is that it has a problem downloading files for installation or update.  I also recommended it to folks on the Score forums, who are also experiencing the "Wrong game version" error, and encouraged them to let you know if that helped them!

I'll be happy to continue to test the Linux version if you choose to proceed.  :)

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« Last Edit: April 21, 2019, 06:00:12 PM by Sonarr »

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Re: How to install Paragon Chat in Linux, with wine
« Reply #16 on: April 21, 2019, 08:19:39 PM »
I'm very eagerly awaiting more info on that native Linux IslandRum.  I'm currently in the boat of unable to use Tequila due to dotnet35 install errors, unable to use IslandRum for Linux as I cannot set the install path, and unable to use IslandRum for Windows as it tries to download remaining files and stalls despite me having just grabbed them from a magnet link and moved them over manually.

If anyone else has run into any of these issues and found a way forward, I'd greatly appreciate hearing from you!

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Re: How to install Paragon Chat in Linux, with wine
« Reply #17 on: April 21, 2019, 09:22:02 PM »
Just a heads up to anyone else having this set of issues. You can download the *.pigg and score.exe files listed in the manifest using curl. Just throw the .piggs in [CoH]/score/ and score.exe in [CoH] to get it working.

I'm just in awe that this is working right now.

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Re: How to install Paragon Chat in Linux, with wine
« Reply #18 on: April 21, 2019, 10:32:54 PM »

I was going to work on Island Rum for Linux this weekend, but had some repository issues to deal with.  I'll probably look at it sometime this week.

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Re: How to install Paragon Chat in Linux, with wine
« Reply #19 on: April 22, 2019, 12:27:07 AM »
I'm very eagerly awaiting more info on that native Linux IslandRum.  I'm currently in the boat of unable to use Tequila due to dotnet35 install errors, unable to use IslandRum for Linux as I cannot set the install path, and unable to use IslandRum for Windows as it tries to download remaining files and stalls despite me having just grabbed them from a magnet link and moved them over manually.

If anyone else has run into any of these issues and found a way forward, I'd greatly appreciate hearing from you!

Try installing a later dotnet, I needed dotnet46 for something else in wine that I actually don't even remember what it was now, and tequila just worked fine for me. Also, for the mouse thing, I found in another thread that installing dinput8 fixes the mouse clicking issue and that worked for me, so if you end up with the mouse problem, try grabbing that too.