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faero malikite

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shield/ss help me plz
« on: December 14, 2008, 12:15:32 AM »
I have a ss/inv  brute that i can rsf, itf, and solo with with regular sets and IO's, no purples...i was wondering if someone could help me figure out a blue side shield/ss build...mids confuses me to no end..but i understand the why and where..just usually not the how many slots for the powers..and with shield being fairly new..i was hoping to get a lil bit of help...i printed out a guide for sheilds but it was next to worthless...with just generic information...any help would be appreciated..cost is really not an issue..but i am an altoholic so a few puples here and there are fine..but dont want to have to spend 3 months farming to be able to afford to play this toon...thanks again...
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Re: shield/ss help me plz
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2008, 03:24:03 PM »
I haven't even started the new Issue yet so I know nothing on Shields.  Cath has tinkered some I think, but eventually, someone will get back here to help you, I'm sure.

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Re: shield/ss help me plz
« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2008, 04:58:15 AM »
Well not sure if it helps, but i now have 2 shield projects..and it is looking like it is comparible to wp...almost have to take all of the powers or suffer later.....
but it is a lot of fun to play...i look forward tot he help..and the at least the pointy roof information was helpful...lol
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Re: shield/ss help me plz
« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2008, 03:57:55 PM »
Shields is a mix of Super Reflexes (Positional Defense & Click Mez Protection) and Willpower (Passive +Max HP & Resistance-based tier 9). Those are the key strengths you should look to capitalize. I actually think Dark Melee is far and away the best set to pair with shields because you don't have to entertain the idea of picking up the Medicine Pool. I've got a great Shield/Dark build that I will attempt to convert to Shield/SS. I played a Shield/SS on test and liked it, but I don't see it having the same level of general survivability "out of the box" like Dark Melee does. It is the prestigious Captain America build, though. I'll see what I can do to make it pretty strong.

I'll try to get it posted up today. I don't have a live SS character, so my slotting might be a little bit wonky. If I don't post in this thread by the end of the day, send me a PM here on the Titan forum to remind me. Work's got me all over the place today unfortunately.
« Last Edit: March 21, 2009, 06:42:36 PM by Cath »

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Re: shield/ss help me plz
« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2008, 04:00:07 PM »
I just noticed you have some Ice Tanks at 50. Shields is really, really gonna freak you out. Ice is awesome, but positional softcapped defense on a Tanker is unbelieveably cool.

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Re: shield/ss help me plz
« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2009, 12:46:06 AM »
well i hate both of my ice tanks...lol....the ice/ba does crap for damage and the ice/fire just dies to much if im not constantly watching the end, and both have purples placed throughout the builds...I am just not a fan of ice...
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Re: shield/ss help me plz
« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2009, 01:16:22 AM »
Shield is going to do well for PvP IMO, but there is little future in it for end-game arcs and *Forces... AVs can get past most defense anyway... where are there are far more checks and balances for Character vs Character scenarios making it somewhat of a powerhouse.

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Re: shield/ss help me plz
« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2009, 03:58:07 PM »
Personally, I've seen a lot of people who don't know how to use defense properly in PvE. When you're defense-based, the key is to mitigate damage so the lucky shot that gets through doesn't kill you.

Also, there's only 1 AV in the game that can get past the Hitpoint cap with his alpha (edit). With Shields and Ice, you shouldn't have any issue whatsoever taking on anyone except Recluse as long as you maximize your HP wherever possible. For Recluse, you just bring insps and the right buffer/debuffers with you.

Shields is SR with a +Res/+HP tier 9. I'm not sure how you think that has little future for end-game Steiner.  :P
« Last Edit: January 21, 2009, 05:07:10 PM by Cath »

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Re: shield/ss help me plz
« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2009, 03:59:10 PM »
the ice/fire just dies to much if im not constantly watching the end

How do you run out of Endurance on a level 50 Ice Tanker?  ???

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Re: shield/ss help me plz
« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2009, 05:22:10 PM »
Back to the OP, I'm posting a build for you finally. Sorry it took me so long. This build isn't cheap, but it's cool enough that I might want to build this Tanker myself. Some features:

- All positional defense is over 50%. This is meant to make you untouchable even if you get debuffed a little bit. I also took Grant Cover to take some of the edge off of Defense Debuffs.

- 15.5% Damage Buff from bonuses. That's on top of 10.5% from Assault...which is on top of 80 - 160% from Rage...which is on top of 15.5 - 65% from Against All Odds. In other words, you'll hit the damage cap quite often with stacked Rage. Enjoy destroying everything.

- Procs! I use a lot of them. Some of them are in place for the sake of defensive set bonuses. Some of them are just to add exotic damage chances. Make changes wherever you like, but try not to nuke your defense.

Here it is:

Hero Plan by Mids' Hero Designer 1.401
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Level 50 Natural Tanker
Primary Power Set: Shield Defense
Secondary Power Set: Super Strength
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leadership

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Deflection -- S'fstPrt-ResDam/EndRdx(A), S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(3), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(3), LkGmblr-Def(5), LkGmblr-Rchg+(5)
Level 1: Jab -- T'Death-Acc/Dmg(A), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx(7), T'Death-Dmg/Rchg(7), T'Death-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(9), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(9), T'Death-Dam%(11)
Level 2: Battle Agility -- LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(A), LkGmblr-Def/Rchg(11), LkGmblr-Def(13), LkGmblr-Rchg+(13)
Level 4: Haymaker -- T'Death-Acc/Dmg(A), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx(15), T'Death-Dmg/Rchg(15), T'Death-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(17), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(17), T'Death-Dam%(19)
Level 6: Active Defense -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 8: True Grit -- ResDam-I(A), ResDam-I(19), Numna-Heal/EndRdx(21), Numna-Heal/Rchg(21), Numna-Heal(23)
Level 10: Against All Odds -- EndRdx-I(A), Taunt-I(23)
Level 12: Combat Jumping -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), Zephyr-Travel(25), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx(25), Zephyr-ResKB(27)
Level 14: Super Jump -- Zephyr-Travel(A), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx(27), Zephyr-ResKB(29)
Level 16: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 18: Health -- Mrcl-Heal/EndRdx(A), Mrcl-Heal(29), Mrcl-Rcvry+(31), RgnTis-Regen+(31)
Level 20: Stamina -- P'Shift-EndMod(A), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg(31), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc/Rchg(33), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc(33), P'Shift-End%(33)
Level 22: Taunt -- Zinger-Taunt(A), Zinger-Taunt/Rchg(34), Zinger-Taunt/Rchg/Rng(34), Zinger-Taunt/Rng(34), Zinger-Dam%(36)
Level 24: Knockout Blow -- Hectmb-Dmg/Rchg(A), Hectmb-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(36), Hectmb-Acc/Rchg(36), Hectmb-Dmg/EndRdx(37), Hectmb-Dam%(37), Lock-%Hold(37)
Level 26: Shield Charge -- Erad-Dmg(A), Erad-Acc/Rchg(39), Erad-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(39), Erad-%Dam(39), Zinger-Dam%(40), Sciroc-Dam%(40)
Level 28: Rage -- GSFC-ToHit(A), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg(40), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg/EndRdx(42), GSFC-Rchg/EndRdx(42), GSFC-ToHit/EndRdx(42), GSFC-Build%(43)
Level 30: Boxing -- Mako-Acc/Dmg(A), Mako-Dmg/EndRdx(43), Mako-Dmg/Rchg(43), Mako-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(45)
Level 32: One with the Shield -- Numna-Heal/EndRdx(A), Numna-Heal/Rchg(45), Numna-Heal(45)
Level 35: Phalanx Fighting -- LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(A), LkGmblr-Def(46), LkGmblr-Rchg+(46)
Level 38: Foot Stomp -- Erad-Dmg(A), Erad-Acc/Rchg(46), Erad-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(48), Erad-%Dam(48), Armgdn-Dmg/EndRdx(48), Armgdn-Dam%(50)
Level 41: Tough -- HO:Ribo(A)
Level 44: Weave -- LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(A), LkGmblr-Def(50), LkGmblr-Rchg+(50)
Level 47: Grant Cover -- HO:Cyto(A)
Level 49: Assault -- EndRdx-I(A)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Acc-I(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 1: Gauntlet
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Set Bonus Totals:
  • 15.5% DamageBuff(Smashing)
  • 15.5% DamageBuff(Lethal)
  • 15.5% DamageBuff(Fire)
  • 15.5% DamageBuff(Cold)
  • 15.5% DamageBuff(Energy)
  • 15.5% DamageBuff(Negative)
  • 15.5% DamageBuff(Toxic)
  • 15.5% DamageBuff(Psionic)
  • 8% Defense(Smashing)
  • 8% Defense(Lethal)
  • 7.38% Defense(Fire)
  • 7.38% Defense(Cold)
  • 13.6% Defense(Energy)
  • 13.6% Defense(Negative)
  • 3% Defense(Psionic)
  • 13% Defense(Melee)
  • 14.9% Defense(Ranged)
  • 11.8% Defense(AoE)
  • 3.6% Max End
  • 52.5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
  • 24% Enhancement(Accuracy)
  • 10% FlySpeed
  • 428.7 HP (22.9%) HitPoints
  • 10% JumpHeight
  • 10% JumpSpeed
  • Knockback (Mag -8)
  • Knockup (Mag -8)
  • MezResist(Held) 5.5%
  • MezResist(Immobilize) 8.8%
  • MezResist(Terrorized) 2.75%
  • 17% (0.28 End/sec) Recovery
  • 74% (5.79 HP/sec) Regeneration
  • 2.52% Resistance(Fire)
  • 2.52% Resistance(Cold)
  • 10% RunSpeed



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Re: shield/ss help me plz
« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2009, 07:56:43 PM »
Just the power set/pools sounds like Captain America.  Did you use him for insperation?

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Re: shield/ss help me plz
« Reply #11 on: March 04, 2009, 02:44:28 AM »
How do you run out of Endurance on a level 50 Ice Tanker?  ???

Well there is a reason i ask for help with my builds...lol...i am comfortable knowing i cant make a good build..the ice/ba tank had good survivability but did crap for damage, so if you have a good build i could steal i woul do it, and the ice/fire tank i made for the occassional farm when i was bored with my f/k and my arch/mm but the end use on him was way to high...not sure what i did wrong..i can post the mids chunk when i get off work one day if you would like to see my ignorance in action..
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Re: shield/ss help me plz
« Reply #12 on: March 04, 2009, 02:52:51 AM »
Make changes wherever you like, but try not to nuke your defense.




I really apreciate the help with this build, i will most likely not change anything, it will take me a bit to save up the inf to finish him off, but he is definately my next project...he is sitting at lvl 47 right now and even with basic so's he does well against +5's. so again thank you very much.
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Re: shield/ss help me plz
« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2009, 03:50:42 PM »
Cooleo! Glad I could help!

Making this build really did make me consider building one for myself, but I've got too many alts I'm working to 50 right now. I think I've got 3 villains at 35+, 2 heroes at 25+, and a hero at 42. Dang...that really should keep me busy in-game.  :P

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Re: shield/ss help me plz
« Reply #14 on: March 21, 2009, 01:23:47 AM »
Just got to 50 today, i have most of the expensive enhancements already made...ill keep ya posted on how it plays out...thanks again
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« Reply #15 on: March 21, 2009, 06:41:14 PM »
Just got to 50 today, i have most of the expensive enhancements already made...ill keep ya posted on how it plays out...thanks again


Gratz!

I look forward to hearing if it works or not. Let me know!

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Re: shield/ss help me plz
« Reply #16 on: March 26, 2009, 01:01:03 AM »
Welli thought i had most of the expensive enhancements, apparently ToD's are all rare items...lol...and the eradi arent any easier to find...bought one for 35 mill...then realized i already had that one...it is just a lot of struggling to get the inf at this point...still trying to get use to no ss, i feel very s..l...o...w....just thought id give an update..
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Re: shield/ss help me plz
« Reply #17 on: March 26, 2009, 09:44:18 AM »
Cath I would be really interested to see your Shield/Dark Build I am very new to COH as well as shields and I was justed really interested in what you had said about "I actually think Dark Melee is far and away the best set to pair with shields because you don't have to entertain the idea of picking up the Medicine Pool" I was just told that the medicine pool was mandatory on all build but again I am new and I am not to familiar with the dark power set.


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Re: shield/ss help me plz
« Reply #18 on: March 26, 2009, 02:58:17 PM »
Cath I would be really interested to see your Shield/Dark Build I am very new to COH as well as shields and I was justed really interested in what you had said about "I actually think Dark Melee is far and away the best set to pair with shields because you don't have to entertain the idea of picking up the Medicine Pool" I was just told that the medicine pool was mandatory on all build but again I am new and I am not to familiar with the dark power set.



Welcome to COH and the Titan Network, Hellvin!

Just to make sure we're on the same page, are you talking about the Medicine Pool or the Fitness Pool? I made the comment about the Medicine Pool because several people I know can't make a melee character without some form of self-heal. The Medicine Pool provides that option. With Dark Melee, you have a self-heal as part of your attack chain. As long as you keep fighting, you typically will keep standing.

The Fitness Pool is a different story. Some people (even me) have tried to make characters that utilize so many Regen and Recovery bonuses that the character doesn't require Health or Stamina. I've never been able to stick with a build like that. It stinks that you have to make some sacrifices to get them, but Health and Stamina are nearly a requirement for most builds.

In a few minutes, I'll post the Tanker and Scrapper builds I created in their appropriate forums. I'll link them here once I get that done.

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Re: shield/ss help me plz
« Reply #19 on: March 26, 2009, 03:10:29 PM »
If you have any questions, let me know in the proper thread. I'll answer to the best of my (limited) knowledge.

Shields / Dark Melee Tanker

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