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Archetype Enhancements
« on: January 01, 2012, 04:29:53 AM »
I put up a quickie overview of the special bonus enhancement for each archetype here:
http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Archetype_Enhancements

Then I fiddled around with the blaster version of what the set page would look like (nothing is templated so that it's easier to change until layout/formatting are finalized). I used the IO set page as a launching pad, and tweaked wording as necessary. Could use a little wordsmithing, I think; I am having a really hard time being concise on the set page so it ended up REALLY terse. (The more indepth explanation should be on the Archetype Enhancements page, which I will be fleshing out as well.)
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Somewhat but not totally related:
http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Super_Pack

Also not totally related (stubby mcstubberson!):
http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Enhancement_Catalyst
« Last Edit: January 01, 2012, 04:37:21 AM by Aggelakis »
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Re: Archetype Enhancements
« Reply #1 on: January 01, 2012, 06:05:43 AM »
Will these be considered "special" in terms of drop pool?  Or should a seperate icon be crafted to represent these?

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Re: Archetype Enhancements
« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2012, 06:08:21 AM »
Additionally... is the official wording for the Super Pack REALLY SuperPack?  As one word like that?  Grrrr if it is.  I hate CamelCase.  :(

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Re: Archetype Enhancements
« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2012, 06:59:36 AM »
In the Beta Server store they are listed as Super Pack : Heroes and Villains under the Super Pack category.

And I was under the impression that AT enhancements weren't drops and only available from the store?
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Re: Archetype Enhancements
« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2012, 07:29:31 AM »
AOs will be available from Merit Vendors, at least. I haven't heard of them dropping at all.

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Re: Archetype Enhancements
« Reply #5 on: January 01, 2012, 08:25:56 AM »
Last I heard AOs from Super Packs and merit vendors, with the Catalysts being available from Super Packs and as a rare drop from Incarnate-level enemies (trials and DA).

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Re: Archetype Enhancements
« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2012, 03:15:31 PM »
Re: Drop pools:
ATEs do not drop. Catalysts do. This information is already in the relevant articles.

I don't plan on using the Invention templates, since these are not inventions and I didn't want us to have to put a bunch of wacky code in the Invention templates to deal with these. I was planning on creating a template (such as {{ArchetypeSetOverview}}) to layout the details more easily -- I think we can use the set bonus template though, the ATEs don't have special set bonuses (yet). There will probably need to be another template created for the actual enhancement pages.

Re: CamelCase:
I honestly THOUGHT it was "Super Pack" but I based the spacing off of the Archetype Enhancements article that Rajani Isa created, which linked to "SuperPack". I should have double-checked on Beta but that's easy to fix.



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Re: Archetype Enhancements
« Reply #7 on: January 01, 2012, 07:49:58 PM »
A quick note to drop before I head back to work from lunch:

How are the superior versions called? Is it:

a) Blaster's Wrath: Accuracy/Damage (Superior) ---- similar to purples?
b) Superior Blaster's Wrath: Accuracy/Damage ---- this is what's in the dump that Codewalker gave me

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Re: Archetype Enhancements
« Reply #8 on: January 01, 2012, 10:39:47 PM »
What, you don't believe me? )-:<


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Re: Archetype Enhancements
« Reply #9 on: January 01, 2012, 11:59:38 PM »
My question: 19:49
Your wiki updates: 20:36

I didn't have time to log in to beta while on lunch to verify the naming convention of them, hence why I threw down the question here. Half an hour after I was back at work, you updated the wiki and comment here about me somehow manipulating the timeline to not believe you before your updates. :p
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Re: Archetype Enhancements
« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2012, 12:06:17 AM »
Now don't be bringing the facts into this!

Also, that was from the live build.

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Re: Archetype Enhancements
« Reply #11 on: March 29, 2012, 06:56:57 AM »
(Yes, forum, I can see that "this topic has not been posted in for at least 10 days" I'd rather not start a new thread with the same title!)

So uh, dem ATO set pages! Looking good.

They seem to have broken the "Sets that improve X" set categories - the tables have gone goofy, and in the set summaries, there's the error "There is no such invention origin set listed in Paragon Wiki. Maybe the spelling is wrong?" next to a set bonus summary for a given ATO set in its alphabetical position - the bonuses for Brute's Fury showing up between Analyze Weakness and Call to Arms on http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Category:Sets_that_improve_Smashing_Resistance for example. I haz a sad because I have no idea how to fix this!

I am using Safari on OSX 10.6.8, since I believe that will probably make a difference. The problem doesn't appear to be on my end, as it shows up in both Firefox and Safari.

And uh, apologies for slight necro? :D

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Re: Archetype Enhancements
« Reply #12 on: March 29, 2012, 07:33:08 AM »
I fixed this by excluding the ATO sets from the output temporarily. Including them will be non-trivial, since they aren't part of the invention system. But for now, at least they're not breaking anything.

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Re: Archetype Enhancements
« Reply #13 on: March 29, 2012, 07:50:28 AM »
Thank you for looking at it at least! I had a feeling it'd be non-trivial just from the way all those templates seem to interact. Good luck on fixing it more permanently. :)

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Re: Archetype Enhancements
« Reply #14 on: June 29, 2012, 05:05:30 PM »
Is anyone going to get annoyed if I add them to the Invention Origin Enhancement Sets page:
http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/IO_Sets

I realize that they aren't technically IO sets but it would be useful to have them on that page and in my opinion they are close enough.

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Re: Archetype Enhancements
« Reply #15 on: June 29, 2012, 06:51:16 PM »
Yes, I would be very annoyed, because they are not inventions. Unless the scope of the article changes, they don't belong there.
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Re: Archetype Enhancements
« Reply #16 on: June 29, 2012, 06:55:15 PM »
Why don't we just move "Invention Origin Enhancement Sets" to "Enhancement Sets"? That seems like a pretty easy fix to me.

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Re: Archetype Enhancements
« Reply #17 on: June 29, 2012, 07:56:36 PM »
Why don't we just move "Invention Origin Enhancement Sets" to "Enhancement Sets"? That seems like a pretty easy fix to me.
That sounds like a reasonable compromise to me. The utility of that page has always been that it's a good way to scan through sets to find the bonuses you want. Leaving out sets just because of a naming convention pretty much kills the utility.

Personally I'd be fine with out a name change but I figured it might bug some people which is why I bought it up. As far as I'm concerned they are IOs since they are enhancements that provide set bonuses that are subject to exactly the same rules and restrictions as regular IO sets (i.e. the Rule of Fives). The only difference is that they are attuned rather than having a fixed level.

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Re: Archetype Enhancements
« Reply #18 on: June 29, 2012, 08:04:01 PM »
As far as I'm concerned they are IOs since they are enhancements that provide set bonuses that are subject to exactly the same rules and restrictions as regular IO sets (i.e. the Rule of Fives). The only difference is that they are attuned rather than having a fixed level.

Attuned Enhancements come as-is; they are not crafted. There is no Recipe to use, and no Salvage involved. Attuned Enhancements are strictly not Invention.

At this point, our only real option is to call the article Enhancement Sets, since its function is to show what Enhancements are available and what Set Bonuses they provide.

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Re: Archetype Enhancements
« Reply #19 on: June 29, 2012, 08:09:38 PM »
As far as I'm concerned they are IOs since they are enhancements that provide set bonuses that are subject to exactly the same rules and restrictions as regular IO sets (i.e. the Rule of Fives). The only difference is that they are attuned rather than having a fixed level.
Free players (and preemies without temp/perma license) cannot utilize inventions. Free players can utilize attuned enhancements, which means they cannot be inventions.
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Re: Archetype Enhancements
« Reply #20 on: June 29, 2012, 08:12:17 PM »
*shrug* I didn't say they were IOs, I said as far as I'm concerned they are IOs. They act like IOs when I slot them therefore as far as I'm concerned they are IOs, how I acquire them is a minor detail. If the ATEs had come out before the Invention system I'd probably call IOs ATEs.

I'm not saying the wiki should call them IOs, I'm simply saying that I regard them as IOs and wouldn't care if the wiki did call them IOs. I originally posted the question because I suspected that some people would care (and I was correct) :D.


In any case it seems like people are ok with renaming the page. SO I do have two questions:
1. Do we want to add a new "accquired from" icon for the ATEs?
2. For Attuned IOs Enhancement Sets should the level range be given as 10-50 or would people prefer specifying it as Attuned (or something)?
2a. If we do go with the latter option how do you want to handle the Superior ATE sets (which are only slottable at level 50)?

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Re: Archetype Enhancements
« Reply #21 on: June 29, 2012, 08:19:41 PM »
No, they act like Enhancements from a Set.  Invented Enhancements are a type of those.  So are ATEs.

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Re: Archetype Enhancements
« Reply #22 on: June 29, 2012, 08:25:11 PM »
Yeah that was pretty much my point. I call Set Enhancements IOs, ATEs are Set Enhancements, therefore as far as I'm concerned ATEs are IOs. I didn't say it was correct, I just said it was my attitude :). There's a reason I'm a causal editor of the wiki rather than being more heavily involved, this sort of distinction doesn't really matter to me. I suppose it's good that there are people whom it matters to though.

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Re: Archetype Enhancements
« Reply #23 on: June 29, 2012, 08:54:24 PM »
Ok, I've renamed and cleaned up http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Enhancement_Sets and http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Enhancement_Set_Bonuses

It may also be worth doing something with http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Invention_Origin_Enhancements since the information it contains on Sets now applies to Enhancements that aren't technically IOs.