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Re: NCSoft Stockwatch
« Reply #960 on: December 18, 2012, 08:16:58 AM »
if they find something scandelous happening this could tank ncsoft faster than them constantly shooting themselves in the foot
Not to be pedantic, but that would be NCsoft shooting themselves in the foot.  Well, the leg, anyway.  They've kinda blown both feet completely off by now.

Sometimes, honesty is the best policy; something NCsoft could really stand to learn.

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Re: NCSoft Stockwatch
« Reply #961 on: December 18, 2012, 10:28:43 AM »
"Joe," the Korean Times reporter, told me that the suspicion around the paper is that the three firms following NCSoft are being bribed to inflate the value of the stock, but that there is not as yet any proof.
Sadly those three aren't the only ones.  I present the summary of analysts tracking NCSoft page from Reuters.

39 are tracking NCSoft.  13 are recommending Buy, 25 predict it'll outperform  (which conventional investment wisdom means hold if you have it, think of buying if you don't) and only 1 is recommending sell (which actually means "fly you fools").  And the only change in the last three months is one outperform changed to buy.  Collectively the mean growth in sales is predicted to be around 24% between 2012 and 2013 with earnings nearly doubling.  In the last four weeks only 2 analysts lowered their sales and earnings estimate for FY2012 and 2013 but they don't say from what to what.

Collectively 38 of the 39 still like NCSoft a lot and are predicting better savings and earnings in 2013.  They must be using something stronger than fluoride in the investment district's water supply.  Or they do know what they are talking about and if the stock price continues to go down I would expect more analysts changing from outperform to buy recommendations, as long as the scuttlebutt doesn't indicate a complete collapse in sales of their current MMO portfolio.
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Re: NCSoft Stockwatch
« Reply #962 on: December 18, 2012, 10:56:09 AM »
It's possible they are banking on Bits and Tits becoming as enormous in China as Lineage and Guild Wars are.  And it might, but only if the current Chinese government reverses its stance on things it considers pornographic--or at least, looks (or is bribed to look) the other way when the game is released.  The Chinese government has historically been perfectly willing to ban things with milder content than B&T.

They might pull their fat out of the fire and go on to win, despite a bucketload of negative karma.

Or, something "Joe" suggested to me could break loose and we'll be watching from a distance as NCSoft finds itself with a much bigger problem on its hands than a hundred thousand angry gamers.

I'm not going to make a guess on that one, we'll just have to wait and see.
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Re: NCSoft Stockwatch
« Reply #963 on: December 18, 2012, 03:19:54 PM »
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Or, something "Joe" suggested to me could break loose and we'll be watching from a distance as NCSoft finds itself with a much bigger problem on its hands than a hundred thousand angry gamers.

And on that day, I'll quite probably get properly drunk for the first time in my life. Both in celebration of NCSoft as a company finally getting what they deserve, and in sympathy for all the little guys that event is going to put out of a job.

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Re: NCSoft Stockwatch
« Reply #964 on: December 18, 2012, 03:30:32 PM »
Now, the question is, is there anything (legal and above-board) that 100,000 angry (ex)fans can do to make it more likely this much bigger problem gets exposed?

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Re: NCSoft Stockwatch
« Reply #965 on: December 18, 2012, 06:04:23 PM »
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Re: NCSoft Stockwatch
« Reply #966 on: December 18, 2012, 07:08:09 PM »
From the Jackie Chan/Jeden Smith version:

"Your focus needs more focus."
BadWolf: "The point that JaguarX is trying to make, of course, is that City of Heroes is like a tree. And Google is like a Toyota...Corolla...? Which would make NCSoft a trespasser, shot by...um, Mister T...which is good, because diplomacy...?"

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Re: NCSoft Stockwatch
« Reply #967 on: December 18, 2012, 08:04:35 PM »
From the Jackie Chan/Jeden Smith version:

"Your focus needs more focus."

I'm sorry, I know not of what you speak; Pat Morita is the only Mr. Miyagi to have existed.

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Re: NCSoft Stockwatch
« Reply #968 on: December 18, 2012, 08:08:31 PM »
Except that Jackie Chan's character was not called Miyagi.

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Re: NCSoft Stockwatch
« Reply #969 on: December 18, 2012, 08:26:53 PM »
It's possible they are banking on Bits and Tits becoming as enormous in China as Lineage and Guild Wars are.  And it might, but only if the current Chinese government reverses its stance on things it considers pornographic--or at least, looks (or is bribed to look) the other way when the game is released.  The Chinese government has historically been perfectly willing to ban things with milder content than B&T.

They might pull their fat out of the fire and go on to win, despite a bucketload of negative karma.

Or, something "Joe" suggested to me could break loose and we'll be watching from a distance as NCSoft finds itself with a much bigger problem on its hands than a hundred thousand angry gamers.

I'm not going to make a guess on that one, we'll just have to wait and see.
Well the question then is if they look at B&S and see pornography or not.  I admit that some of the female dance emotes can be ... suggestive, but no more so than what you would see in a club.  The character designer can feel creepy to some but it's not like you have sliders for, pardon me, areola size, nipple size or ... em ... carpet hair styles.

Personally I don't think they will have a problem with B&S.
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Re: NCSoft Stockwatch
« Reply #970 on: December 18, 2012, 08:38:25 PM »
I'm sorry, I know not of what you speak; Pat Morita is the only Mr. Miyagi to have existed.

Except that Jackie Chan's character was not called Miyagi.

So, it's still true! ;D
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Re: NCSoft Stockwatch
« Reply #971 on: December 18, 2012, 08:47:24 PM »
Well the question then is if they look at B&S and see pornography or not.  I admit that some of the female dance emotes can be ... suggestive, but no more so than what you would see in a club.  The character designer can feel creepy to some but it's not like you have sliders for, pardon me, areola size, nipple size or ... em ... carpet hair styles.
I find this sufficiently amusing to ask - do we know that for sure?   :)

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Re: NCSoft Stockwatch
« Reply #972 on: December 18, 2012, 09:15:31 PM »
China is also shown to be very amenable to having custom versions released.

If all they have to do is tone it down a bit, they will.

I've also heard more than once about China being convinced something isn't so bad with cash. Can't prove it, but I've heard it. So I wouldn't go laughing to the bank on the thought that Blade and Soul will be not even released there.

What is more likely is that it will, and has a chance of doing fairly decently. CoH will not be regained because B&S failed to see a release in China, and likely not because said game fails to engender money from MMO-goers.

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Re: NCSoft Stockwatch
« Reply #973 on: December 18, 2012, 09:22:23 PM »
Well the question then is if they look at B&S and see pornography or not.  I admit that some of the female dance emotes can be ... suggestive, but no more so than what you would see in a club.  The character designer can feel creepy to some but it's not like you have sliders for, pardon me, areola size, nipple size or ... em ... carpet hair styles.

Personally I don't think they will have a problem with B&S.

Besides the more detailed graphics, I havent seen anything fro mthe photos that I havent seen already in COX (lot of toons wearing the Eden top especially), CO, and other games i.e scantly cladded females with the tit slider slid to the max. Even seen a few "naked" ones in COX where, even in their bio it stated that they are naked (victory server) *white skin to match the bikini bottom and eden top*, another one was same except this one was a light blue peacebringer with blended clothing to give illusion of wearing nothing. 

When B&S come out I'll go check it out to see how deep the rabbit hole it really go in that regards but so far, it's nothing unusual and nothing not seen in COX many times. 

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Re: NCSoft Stockwatch
« Reply #974 on: December 18, 2012, 10:11:28 PM »
Besides the more detailed graphics, I havent seen anything fro mthe photos that I havent seen already in COX (lot of toons wearing the Eden top especially), CO, and other games i.e scantly cladded females with the tit slider slid to the max. Even seen a few "naked" ones in COX where, even in their bio it stated that they are naked (victory server) *white skin to match the bikini bottom and eden top*, another one was same except this one was a light blue peacebringer with blended clothing to give illusion of wearing nothing. 

When B&S come out I'll go check it out to see how deep the rabbit hole it really go in that regards but so far, it's nothing unusual and nothing not seen in COX many times.
I had a pale white peacebringer in white mesh and bikini bottom to give the illusion of nudity.  But she also had wings, a halo and glowed rather brightly in that form.  It was used as a transition as she changed from her teen pop raver identity to her armored winged Valkyrie outfit.

While B&S's costume editor does have more than one adjustment for breasts and videos isolating a single female character dancing could be considered provocative, but I've also seen videos in game of characters simply hanging around between missions dancing and it didn't look provocative at all.  Pretty standard MMO behavior IMO.
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Re: NCSoft Stockwatch
« Reply #975 on: December 19, 2012, 12:02:01 AM »
I had a pale white peacebringer in white mesh and bikini bottom to give the illusion of nudity.

My main character was silver-gray skinned. While I never did this (okay, during the shut down period, I did it ONCE just to do it because hey why not, but I only wore it for the minimal amount of time) it was very easy to make her a naked outfit.

Pop dance could look pretty naughty in the right outfit.
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Re: NCSoft Stockwatch
« Reply #976 on: December 19, 2012, 01:09:30 AM »
I had a few characters that had a costume slot that was probably not suitable for children that were pretty much just for dropping into a crowd and either disco or pop dancing. One, a Power Girl clone, was particularly popular when she did the monkey dance.
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Re: NCSoft Stockwatch
« Reply #977 on: December 19, 2012, 03:35:54 AM »
Sorry to derail the derail of proper ERP dresscode and conduct...

I just checked up to see how stocks were doing today (whether or not a dip matters in the long run... its some small entertainment in this otherwise boring life of mine) apparently its done for the day. It certainly can't be the end of the trading day in Korea...

Are they trading stateside now? That's the only reason I could think of, but wouldn't KR and US be separate?

Back off topic...seeing that a friend "wore" peach-colored briefs under his kilt will haunt me forever :gonk:
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Re: NCSoft Stockwatch
« Reply #978 on: December 19, 2012, 04:10:20 AM »
Sorry to derail the derail of proper ERP dresscode and conduct...

I just checked up to see how stocks were doing today (whether or not a dip matters in the long run... its some small entertainment in this otherwise boring life of mine) apparently its done for the day. It certainly can't be the end of the trading day in Korea...

Are they trading stateside now? That's the only reason I could think of, but wouldn't KR and US be separate?

Back off topic...seeing that a friend "wore" peach-colored briefs under his kilt will haunt me forever :gonk:
No the stock is traded in Korea but you can track it here.  They are open from 9a to 3p in Korea which would be from 7pm to 1am EST.  Their ID is 036570:KS.  Currently they are down 1000 to 157,000.  The opened higher and had a trading range from 162,500 to 154,000.  This is the link to Reuter's stock page on them.
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Re: NCSoft Stockwatch
« Reply #979 on: December 19, 2012, 10:14:01 AM »
No the stock is traded in Korea but you can track it here.  They are open from 9a to 3p in Korea which would be from 7pm to 1am EST.  Their ID is 036570:KS.  Currently they are down 1000 to 157,000.  The opened higher and had a trading range from 162,500 to 154,000.  This is the link to Reuter's stock page on them.

Incoming slowpoke reply...

I know the usual trading hours (4-10PM for me). I checked Reuter's, Bloomberg and Yahoo shortly before my previous post and they all showed it as closed for the day which seemed odd. Correct me if I'm wrong but, they have/had a presidential election this month so maybe that made for an early close just as college entry exams made for a late start last month.
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