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Re: A Brief Rant (That You Should Read)
« Reply #21 on: September 21, 2012, 12:02:00 AM »
Oh, that.  Well, we're watching closely in case we need to stop the train.  :)
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Re: A Brief Rant (That You Should Read)
« Reply #22 on: September 21, 2012, 12:04:38 AM »
I in one of my posts said it possible was racist as but that was working with a business model of it is bought paid for and making you money you don't close it. You certainly don't sink money into developmental of new expansions/issues only to kill the game part of the way in. I don't think that capitalism worked that differently in Korea. I do know in studies from Asia that there is just as much racism there as the USA.

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Re: A Brief Rant (That You Should Read)
« Reply #23 on: September 21, 2012, 12:15:47 AM »
Yeah, while I can certainly see the positive intentions behind starting this thread, I'm not sure that I believe talking about hypothetical and/or nonspecific instances of bigoted remarks is a good idea.
When you use nonspecific examples, you get people jumping to assumptions on all extremes and then discussing, debating and/or arguing from those extremes which will never add up correctly.

I've seen a handful of remarks. One here that I reported and will stand by the fact that the comment (and thought being presented) was wholly wrong. The rest have been complete trollish behavior on the official forums from your usual suspects.
Just because a person says something wrong doesn't mean the worst of things about them, to be sure, but... I just honestly can't understand how a person can find it difficult to not jump to making out of line presumptions due to a person's race or nationality. It's just beyond me.

Specifically... I see a comment about NCSoft being out of touch with their Western branches, which has been reported repeatedly and is a non-argument, for certain. However, the reasons are not known to be cultural... Is anyone here going to tell me that they've never encountered, or heard of, a local American company where the HQ is trying to micromanage the different branches and it leads to complete ridiculousness and incompetence? Really? It happens all the time.

And then, on the opposite side of things... When people are talking about the Eastern culture not being in love with the Western super hero genre, this is not racism or nationalism or anything of the sort and I don't think anyone here, nor the OP, suggests that at all.
However, this is the danger of trying to discuss hypothetical and overly general instances instead of specific facts of a particular case.

"Racism/Nationalism is bad!"
"Hey, are you trying to say that I'm a racist for saying that I don't like salsa?"
And then it leads to talks about overreactions and under-reactions and... I just don't think it's a good idea (So, I just had to join in).

I think just about everyone here knows and understands the differences and we just need to handle any few cases that jump out accordingly.
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Re: A Brief Rant (That You Should Read)
« Reply #24 on: September 21, 2012, 12:21:46 AM »
Just to clarify, my intent wasn't to accuse anyone or start any kind of hypothetical discussion. I just wanted everyone to be aware that it was happening and make sure that no comments associated with saving CoH could be interpreted in such a negative light.

I knew the dangers of starting this topic, but I had - and have - every confidence in the Titan moderators and the community here to keep the thread from getting out of hand.
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Re: A Brief Rant (That You Should Read)
« Reply #25 on: September 21, 2012, 12:28:07 AM »
Just to clarify, my intent wasn't to accuse anyone or start any kind of hypothetical discussion. I just wanted everyone to be aware that it was happening and make sure that no comments associated with saving CoH could be interpreted in such a negative light.

I knew the dangers of starting this topic, but I had - and have - every confidence in the Titan moderators and the community here to keep the thread from getting out of hand.
Right on. I didn't mean to portray your original message in the wrong light there.
It does just seem quite a shame that it would be at all necessary to remind people of such a thing, heh. I imagine, on that, we can all agree. ;)
I suggest we refrain from further hypotheticals and just carry on the cause and definitely report and attempt to thwart any true bigotry we see out there (as always though, right?) - as you suggested.
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Re: A Brief Rant (That You Should Read)
« Reply #26 on: September 21, 2012, 12:42:41 AM »
Are you referring to Titan Network's board?  I can't think of an instance where I've seen it on here.  But in-game, where the LFG and Help Channels burn with trolls, I have seen quite a bit of it (more covertly than overtly, however). 

And admitting you don't know much about discrimination is a good thing, it helps to understand where you're coming from.  Not many people realize that :)

The epithet used actually was the one for a different Asian country which saw extensive US military "engagement" during the last century.  I really had to restrain myself from linking in a Youtube video of Robin Williams' rant about racist names from Good Morning Vietnam.  :D
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Re: A Brief Rant (That You Should Read)
« Reply #27 on: September 21, 2012, 12:53:27 AM »
I think race exists... the human race.  8)

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Re: A Brief Rant (That You Should Read)
« Reply #28 on: September 21, 2012, 12:56:50 AM »
I think race exists... the human race.  8)
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Re: A Brief Rant (That You Should Read)
« Reply #29 on: September 21, 2012, 12:58:08 AM »
Down with Kheldians!  Kheldians are stealing human jobs!
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Re: A Brief Rant (That You Should Read)
« Reply #30 on: September 21, 2012, 01:09:19 AM »
Down with Kheldians!  Kheldians are stealing human jobs!

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Re: A Brief Rant (That You Should Read)
« Reply #31 on: September 21, 2012, 01:16:35 AM »
And bodies!

THEY'RE TAKIN' OUR JERBS!! D:
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Re: A Brief Rant (That You Should Read)
« Reply #32 on: September 21, 2012, 01:46:14 AM »
Down with Kheldians!  Kheldians are stealing human jobs!

Battalion will take care of that for you.
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Re: A Brief Rant (That You Should Read)
« Reply #33 on: September 21, 2012, 02:31:24 AM »
It's hard to be mindful and aware of cultural differences without projecting feelings about those differences--that's what all my communications lectures call "cultural competence." I try very hard to do that. I think NCsoft's business decision might have been the same if they'd been England or Italy or Saudi Arabia--they wanted to get as many of their eggs as possible in the home basket, which makes a lot of sense. Our little egg was pretty far away for them.
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Re: A Brief Rant (That You Should Read)
« Reply #34 on: September 21, 2012, 03:17:20 AM »
Yes, there was a post of my that got reported to Tony and was quite correctly moderated in which I made a really nasty comment which cold be interpeted as "If nationailty = Korean then they are *redacted because untrue and inflamatory and I'm NOT REPEATING THAT MISTAKE AGAIN*"

Amazingly enough, When I realsed what Tony had gone and edited out I totally had to agree that was the right call and I was in the wrong.   Its some of the flack I've caught since then that had finally built up under my skin.

And having said what I said here, I've gotten the rant out of my system.  Now time for the deep cleansing breath and lets all get back to work at doing what we're here to do...   Doing whatever we can to help convince NC soft to sell to the super secret team thats negotiating with them.

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Re: A Brief Rant (That You Should Read)
« Reply #35 on: September 21, 2012, 03:21:43 AM »

I agree:


#SaveCoH

Yes, there was a post of my that got reported to Tony and was quite correctly moderated in which I made a really nasty comment which cold be interpeted as "If nationailty = Korean then they are *redacted because untrue and inflamatory and I'm NOT REPEATING THAT MISTAKE AGAIN*"

Amazingly enough, When I realsed what Tony had gone and edited out I totally had to agree that was the right call and I was in the wrong.   Its some of the flack I've caught since then that had finally built up under my skin.

And having said what I said here, I've gotten the rant out of my system.  Now time for the deep cleansing breath and lets all get back to work at doing what we're here to do...   Doing whatever we can to help convince NC soft to sell to the super secret team thats negotiating with them.