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Re: Why Disney and not Valve?
« Reply #20 on: November 27, 2012, 03:25:58 PM »
That's the plan. I mean, their stock price is still desperately trying to claw back up after the dive it took after they published their financials.

If Disney made an offer and NCsoft refused, they wouldn't only be seen as the vandals of the MMO world. They'd become a laughingstock.

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Re: Why Disney and not Valve?
« Reply #21 on: November 27, 2012, 05:26:27 PM »
Not sure where you came up with the $1 idea. I'm not suggesting that Disney blackmails NCsoft. But if Disney made a reasonable offer, and NCsoft refused it {because like we've seen before, they're not above letting pettiness dictate their business decisions} then yes, they'd be laughed out of the market. And while at the end of the day, I still think they value financials above reputation, said reputation would be trashed in front of their customers - whether they care about face or not, losing it publicly is something that would screw with their business something fierce.

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Re: Why Disney and not Valve?
« Reply #22 on: November 27, 2012, 06:14:07 PM »
I understand - I just figured I'd mention that I don't really expect Disney to go in with the intent to trash the deal, since it would hardly benefit them either.

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Re: Why Disney and not Valve?
« Reply #23 on: November 27, 2012, 06:24:48 PM »
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I REALLY hope the second company isn't EA. <.<

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There are worse things, afterall, Ultima Online is still up, community stable, and has a slow but steady content development cycle.    I dislike EA (mostly for forcing Origin, and other money related shady things), but I have to give them this.

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Re: Why Disney and not Valve?
« Reply #24 on: November 27, 2012, 06:26:09 PM »

I REALLY hope the second company isn't EA. <.<


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Re: Why Disney and not Valve?
« Reply #25 on: November 27, 2012, 06:31:29 PM »
To put your mind at rest, it's not :)

Warner brothers?  That's the other big entertainment company that's been acquiring game studios lately.

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Re: Why Disney and not Valve?
« Reply #26 on: November 27, 2012, 06:36:09 PM »
Warner brothers?

And the Warner sister?  :roll:

But maybe.

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Re: Why Disney and not Valve?
« Reply #27 on: November 27, 2012, 06:37:44 PM »
And the Warner sister?  :roll:

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Re: Why Disney and not Valve?
« Reply #29 on: November 27, 2012, 06:39:13 PM »
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Re: Why Disney and not Valve?
« Reply #30 on: November 27, 2012, 06:51:44 PM »
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Re: Why Disney and not Valve?
« Reply #31 on: November 27, 2012, 06:59:42 PM »
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Re: Why Disney and not Valve?
« Reply #32 on: November 27, 2012, 09:55:12 PM »
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Re: Why Disney and not Valve?
« Reply #33 on: November 28, 2012, 12:32:27 AM »
Don't forget that it's not just about the payout that NCSoft would receive for the sale.

NCSoft, by selling CoX to Disney, is essentially selling the rights to their product to a competitor or potential competitor.  The last thing NCSoft wants right now is a competitor. This is probably whats tied into the provisions in NCSofts contracts to potential buyers....I'm sure they are willing to sell CoX, but they do not want the game to be a threat to their future business.

I think this is the main reason that there has been no deal. Preventing possible future competition.






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Re: Why Disney and not Valve?
« Reply #34 on: November 28, 2012, 01:12:13 AM »
My personal experiences and a little educated guesswork make me think that there maybe one other possible reason that would make Disney a good choice to approach NC Soft. Most of Southeast Asia, China in particular, is absolutely in LOVE with any thing Disney. I was in China for several months back in 2006 in Beijing and around Shanghai and I couldn't go more that a few blocks in any sizable shopping area without seeing a Disney knock off store. When meeting people the most frequent question I was asked outside what was Dallas like (The old prime time soap "Dallas" is still very popular there) was had I ever been to Disneyland. I don't think that I could understate how popular it is over there.

I was in Malaysia a few years later for several months. I didn't see nearly as many knock off Disney stores but quite a bit of knockoff Disney merchandise. Well, to be honest you really have to look around to find something that isn't a knockoff in China and at least some parts of Malaysia but their love of all things Disney is easy to see.

I haven't been to Korea but I've heard that they have a knockoff Disneyland there. Much of Southeast Asia, like Korea, has at least some usually old and very understandable disdain for Western nations given their attempts to dominate parts of Southeast Asia for hundreds of years. However I am aware that most of Korea's disdain for the US stems from the military bases they still have there. If Disney is loved only half as much in Korea as it is in China then it's quite possible that NC Soft would be very hard pressed to say no to them even if they don't think much of the US gaming industry and it's players as they have shown by the way they have treated Paragon Studios and us.
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Re: Why Disney and not Valve?
« Reply #35 on: November 28, 2012, 02:11:32 AM »
Don't forget that it's not just about the payout that NCSoft would receive for the sale.

NCSoft, by selling CoX to Disney, is essentially selling the rights to their product to a competitor or potential competitor.  The last thing NCSoft wants right now is a competitor. This is probably whats tied into the provisions in NCSofts contracts to potential buyers....I'm sure they are willing to sell CoX, but they do not want the game to be a threat to their future business.

I think this is the main reason that there has been no deal. Preventing possible future competition.

I can't tell you from what source I know, but this is incorrect.

Fansy's post has all the clues.  His insider intimated that the problem was with "legal liabilities" that would go away once the game was officially closed.  My source corroborates that, adding that the legal liabilities amounted to several pages that no one sane would sign off on.
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Re: Why Disney and not Valve?
« Reply #36 on: November 28, 2012, 02:21:36 AM »
I can't tell you from what source I know, but this is incorrect.

Fansy's post has all the clues.  His insider intimated that the problem was with "legal liabilities" that would go away once the game was officially closed.  My source corroborates that, adding that the legal liabilities amounted to several pages that no one sane would sign off on.

Really at this point it sounds like NCSoft fancies itself the Grinch. Like they don't want money, they don't want positive public relations or customer loyalty (which is a means to money, I guess).

They seem to be taking some sort of satisfaction out of killing something that people loved for no real other reason than, pardon the french, evlulz

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Re: Why Disney and not Valve?
« Reply #37 on: November 28, 2012, 02:25:22 AM »
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Re: Why Disney and not Valve?
« Reply #38 on: November 28, 2012, 02:36:31 AM »

But call me Dottie and I'll kill ya.

Always wondered what you'd get if you called her princess. :p

Really at this point it sounds like NCSoft fancies itself the Grinch. Like they don't want money, they don't want positive public relations or customer loyalty (which is a means to money, I guess).

They seem to be taking some sort of satisfaction out of killing something that people loved for no real other reason than, pardon the french, evlulz

I don't think that is true. Mechanical apathy, maybe. Intentional evil? Doubt it.

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Re: Why Disney and not Valve?
« Reply #39 on: November 28, 2012, 03:05:06 AM »
I know that this won't probably get an answer, but from your point of view, would the liabilities at least explain as to why the cost was so high, so that even if the cost was *low* to buy the game, there would be serious problems for the buyer?

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