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Re: Agents of Shield
« Reply #40 on: October 03, 2013, 01:47:58 PM »
Since Skye seems to be a double agent of some kind, it may be that she's not actually a Hacker herself; it might be that Rising Tide has really good hackers but Skye is better at infiltration (that's just supposition because she didn't actually do any hacking this episode - her computer skill level is up in the air at the moment) and was allowed to be captured and "turned".

If that's the case, I sincerely hope that Coulson knows this and is hoping to make her a triple agent (!).  'Cause his whole team is telling him this is a bad idea and they're right unless he knows something they don't know.

In any case, the character Skye might not need to die in a fire to make me happy.  We'll see.

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« Reply #41 on: October 03, 2013, 03:54:39 PM »
The two scientists make me think of the Wonder Twins....

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Re: Agents of Shield
« Reply #42 on: October 03, 2013, 03:57:24 PM »
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Re: Agents of Shield
« Reply #43 on: October 03, 2013, 07:12:48 PM »

Also I was surprised recently to learn that "former Marvel Editor in Chief Joe Quesada and Executive Editor Tom Brevoort have each stated their dislike for the term Earth 616." [LINK] It comes down to, basically, their (and reportedly some of their colleagues) dislike for DC Comics' Earth Prime and oodles of parallel Earths and a desire to distance themselves from that kind of storytelling.

To be clear though, Marvel DOES have its own laundry list of parallel realities and the writers DO use designations when it's necessary for characters and stories, much like Portal Corps does in City of Heroes. Fans generally seem to either like it or just not mind. It's just become one of those staples of comic books, although I am aware that Marvel intermingles its parallel realities far less often than DC and I'm not complaining about that either. 616 stands strong on its own.

I actually hate that the main universe is 616... To me, this means that it is the 615th divergence from the real world. So the stories that we are reading are about alternate versions of the "real" characters, who would be in universe 1.

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« Reply #44 on: October 03, 2013, 07:49:34 PM »
Well...everyone knows deep down that the real #1 is Primal Earth, and Marvel can't write stories about that. ;D

Seriously though I sometimes wonder if designation 1 IS our real world, given some of the weird parallel universe theories that Reed Richards and other characters have mentioned over the years. You might enjoy reading about 616 far more in that case.

By the way did you know that there is a Marvel Comics company in the 616 universe?

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« Reply #45 on: October 04, 2013, 02:38:35 AM »
So, evidently, I was the only one who didn't immediately get the SHIELD car reference because he was so busy being irritated by how it was almost shot for shot from the end of the first Back to the Future. I was just glad Coulson didn't say, "Where we're going, we don't need roads."
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Re: Agents of Shield
« Reply #46 on: October 04, 2013, 02:42:51 AM »
Well...everyone knows deep down that the real #1 is Primal Earth, and Marvel can't write stories about that. ;D

Seriously though I sometimes wonder if designation 1 IS our real world, given some of the weird parallel universe theories that Reed Richards and other characters have mentioned over the years. You might enjoy reading about 616 far more in that case.

By the way did you know that there is a Marvel Comics company in the 616 universe?

Of course! Stan and Jack tried to attend Reed and Sue's wedding (Ben tossed them out because they didn't have invites).
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« Reply #47 on: October 04, 2013, 05:35:05 PM »
I saw the second episode of SHIELD. I don't know why I even bothered.

It was my understanding that FitzSimmons are SHIELD agents, but as seen in the second episode, they are clearly just civilian support staff as useless as the hacker. I doubt they've ever worn beta cloth or held a needle gun. With my faith in FitzSimmons ruined, I was feeling much more charitable toward the hacker, especially after her apology to generic white guy.

Hopefully the hacker will decide her loyalties lie with SHIELD before she leaks their secrets to HYDRA, but I don't know if I care enough to watch the show and find out.  :(

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« Reply #48 on: October 04, 2013, 11:05:54 PM »
Of course! Stan and Jack tried to attend Reed and Sue's wedding (Ben tossed them out because they didn't have invites).

Not only that, but as established in She-Hulk, those in universe Marvel comics are based on the heroes adventures and many can be used in court
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« Reply #49 on: October 05, 2013, 03:27:31 AM »
I actually hate that the main universe is 616... To me, this means that it is the 615th divergence from the real world. So the stories that we are reading are about alternate versions of the "real" characters, who would be in universe 1.

Well isn't the 616 designation from the old Captain Britain series and not what we call ourselves but what Merlin and the Corp designated our world as it was 'found' by them?

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« Reply #50 on: October 06, 2013, 02:42:17 AM »
I don't know the exact details, but I do remember hearing or reading that it was first used in Captain Britain.

Er, in his comic. :-[

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« Reply #51 on: October 06, 2013, 06:39:27 PM »
I don't know the exact details, but I do remember hearing or reading that it was first used in Captain Britain.

Er, in his comic. :-[

Really? I remember reading an article where they said they picked it arbitrarily.

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« Reply #52 on: October 06, 2013, 06:44:55 PM »
I'm talking about when and where it was first used, not how or why. Although that'd be interesting to know, too. I'll have to look around later.

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« Reply #53 on: October 06, 2013, 07:23:56 PM »

It was my understanding that FitzSimmons are SHIELD agents

They mentioned in the first episode by Dr. Book that Fitz-Simmons weren't cleared for combat.  They are SHIELD scientists, just not SHIELD agents.  Not everyone is going to be a combat specialist, this isn't a hit team. So a team member's usefulness is not determined by how well they can handle a gun.

Although I am surprised they don't have a secondary hitter on the team.  Coulson, while he can handle himself is in a more strategic role.  Mae while she can kick butt is reluctant to do so, and doesn't like to fulfill being well for lack of a better term, the cavalry. That leaves Ward as the point man, and he really should have more active back up, especially with 3 noncombatants in tow.
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« Reply #54 on: October 07, 2013, 02:50:30 AM »
I've been reluctant to admit it, because I looked forward to the show for so long. But I am really not into the make-up of the team. I just don't like it. And that's a big deal coming from me, because I usually have an open mind about stuff and when it comes to TV I try not to be too hard of a critic. But reading Battlechimp's post made me realize something. I would have preferred a show about a SHIELD strike team. This team stinks and it has terrible chemistry and there's going to be too much baby-sitting and wet-behind-the-ears idiots pressing the Big Red Button wherever it appears. Whew! Long sentence.

I am going to keep watching anyway, because sprinkled between the terrible pacing and cheesy dialogue, there has also been some clever dialogue (99% of it attributable to Coulson), some great action scenes; and let's face it, more Marvel-brand comic book geekery, gadgetry, and super hero lore than I ever thought I'd see on television. I don't know about general audiences, but I think if you're a comic book fan and a Marvel fan, you're missing out if you don't watch the show. Even though, yes, elements of this show are terrible.

P.S. Although a couple of my favorite TV shows of all time had horrifyingly bad first seasons. Maybe it's worth reminding myself of that.

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« Reply #55 on: October 09, 2013, 01:16:44 AM »
Watching tonight's episode, it struck me as really funny. I had a character in a RPG, years ago, who's name was also Ian Quinn. Also a brilliant scientist.  And I'd guess (well at least in my fan boy dreams) both chosen so he could have the initials IQ
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« Reply #56 on: October 09, 2013, 03:52:55 AM »
got back late from errands, chose to watch NCIS instead, am curious how Shield fares this week.
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« Reply #57 on: October 09, 2013, 08:10:03 AM »
No spoilers: The third episode was WAY less cheesy than the second episode and more fun to watch, so that's good at least. Chemistry is still terrible, but oh well, that's a hole the team is stuck in until people start dying or the show gets canceled. Beyond that, there were plenty of cool action scenes, lots of face time for Coulson, and some really neat special effects. It's still a terrible show, but I can't stop watching it.

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Re: Agents of Shield
« Reply #58 on: October 09, 2013, 04:44:27 PM »
They mentioned in the first episode by Dr. Book that Fitz-Simmons weren't cleared for combat.  They are SHIELD scientists, just not SHIELD agents.
I did hear him say that, but it didn't really register.  I figured that everyone in SHIELD has basic combat training just like the Army and police.  Coulson's lack of fighting agents is really alarming.

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« Reply #59 on: October 09, 2013, 05:39:38 PM »
I noticed they touched on combat vs. non-combat agents at the beginning of the episode this week.
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