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Re: New efforts!
« Reply #28740 on: October 08, 2018, 07:12:38 PM »
Same developer, now with reinforcements.
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Re: New efforts!
« Reply #28741 on: October 09, 2018, 05:23:47 AM »
Well was skimming youtube for some CoH videos, came across this list:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLQ4YtNOxMPEvF2tcm4JZqOX4rlhHkwvi_

Some of the vids could possibly benefit from some time in an editor but I'm not complaining. Giant monsters, zones, TF's, looks like all the holiday events too.  Fun to watch.
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Re: New efforts!
« Reply #28742 on: October 09, 2018, 01:08:41 PM »
Nice!  A one stop shop for CoH video goodness! 
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Re: New efforts!
« Reply #28743 on: October 09, 2018, 09:37:08 PM »
Been lurking around here for a while, but figured I would post this and be the first to say it.

Got an e-mail from Carbine Studios today. Seems Wildstar is shutting down November 28 this year.

Link below:
https://www.wildstar-online.com/en/news/2018-09-26-wildstar-signing-off-november-28/

So, another game under the NCSoft banner goes away...

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Re: New efforts!
« Reply #28744 on: October 10, 2018, 12:42:05 AM »
Might be a good time to strike at them at this point.
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Re: New efforts!
« Reply #28745 on: October 10, 2018, 01:36:13 AM »
Might be a good time to strike at them at this point.

If their finances are hurt enough, they may have to sell asests to cover the costs.

However, with Lineage being their huge cash cow in their own country, i doubt striking out at this point is going to make much of a difference. At work right now, so i can't pull up their most recent financial report. I'll have to do that when i get home.

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Just took a look at their q2 earnings, and it looks like the loss of WildStar isn't going to have any impact. They turned a 325% yoy increase in operating revenue. So, NCSoft is not hard pressed for cash right now.
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Re: New efforts!
« Reply #28746 on: October 10, 2018, 05:53:46 AM »
Yeah, they are probably running pretty lean, since a lot of their non profitable games have already shut down.  Now ,with this latest money pit shutting down, they are probably looking good on paper, even if their game portfolio isn't as large as it once was.
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Re: New efforts!
« Reply #28747 on: October 11, 2018, 10:46:51 PM »
Sounds like the lesson learned is to not get attached to an NCSoft game.  :/

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Re: New efforts!
« Reply #28748 on: October 12, 2018, 01:17:22 PM »
Sounds like the lesson learned is to not get attached to an NCSoft game.  :/

I have only EVER gotten attached to one, and it's the only one that I want back any way I can get it!  :gonk:
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Re: New efforts!
« Reply #28749 on: October 15, 2018, 01:50:26 AM »
While I am not happy the players of Wildstar are losing their game, it has been pretty much doomed from the start.  It was incomplete at launch and lost the majority of its player base almost instantly - I went back a year or so after launch and it was a ghostland.  Everquest probably has more active players and it is a 20-year-old game.

It was promised to be a hardcore game and never really lived up to expectations.  City of heroes was not only still popular but seemed to be doing finically well enough too - they gutted that one as a refocus.  I hate to side with them on this one, but closing Wildstar probably was a smart financial decision on their part - as opposed to CoH(Yes I know im bias) which seemed very much so to be thriving and growing.

Still a shame though, I was stoked about Wildstar, then played it and thought "This won't last 5 years"  and at this point I think we all know how much it sucks to lose an MMO we like even if it isn't the worlds #1 most popular MMO.  I hope the Wildstar players can find a new home they are happy with.
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Re: New efforts!
« Reply #28750 on: October 15, 2018, 02:44:02 AM »
Wildstar was a lot of good ideas that were never properly executed.

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Re: New efforts!
« Reply #28751 on: October 15, 2018, 05:08:22 AM »
While I am not happy the players of Wildstar are losing their game, it has been pretty much doomed from the start.  It was incomplete at launch and lost the majority of its player base almost instantly - I went back a year or so after launch and it was a ghostland.  Everquest probably has more active players and it is a 20-year-old game.

It was promised to be a hardcore game and never really lived up to expectations.  City of heroes was not only still popular but seemed to be doing finically well enough too - they gutted that one as a refocus.  I hate to side with them on this one, but closing Wildstar probably was a smart financial decision on their part - as opposed to CoH(Yes I know im bias) which seemed very much so to be thriving and growing.

Still a shame though, I was stoked about Wildstar, then played it and thought "This won't last 5 years"  and at this point I think we all know how much it sucks to lose an MMO we like even if it isn't the worlds #1 most popular MMO.  I hope the Wildstar players can find a new home they are happy with.

If memory serves, despite Paragon Studios apparently "hemorrhaging" money as they put it, CoH was still making a profit albeit somewhat reduced. nevertheless in my own opinion, NCsoft killed a still golden goose when they shut down CoH and refused then and now to sell it.

Wildstar: I have never tried it nor any other NCSoft title as I no longer trust them after the ignominious shut down and refusal to sell CoH.

On a slightly positive note, the person that has this list of CoH vids appears to have added a few more:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLQ4YtNOxMPEvF2tcm4JZqOX4rlhHkwvi_

Fun vids to reminisce over.
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Re: New efforts!
« Reply #28752 on: October 15, 2018, 01:24:38 PM »
I hope the Wildstar players can find a new home they are happy with.

I wish them all the best, but as far as finding a new home, they should not have too much of a problem since the game was only around for a couple of years, and had been in decline for awhile.  This, as opposed to CoH, which was around for 8 years, and was definitely holding its own.  I still have not found a new "home", probably because I am not only spoiled by my CoH experience, but I am still holding out some irrational hope that we will get it back, so I am not even interested in looking for a new home.  Weird, I know.
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Re: New efforts!
« Reply #28753 on: October 15, 2018, 05:57:18 PM »
Weird, I know.

The saga of City of Heroes is pretty unique as far as dead MMORPG's go. The result has been a playerbase that is unusually loyal to a game that's long gone, and who have gone out of their way to remain loyal on the faith that doing so will eventually help the game be revived.

Also, the CoX playerbase is unusually vehement about NCSoft. Most gamers shrug their shoulders and either say, "That's business." or "That's EA.", mourn a bit, and then move on to something else. The number of people in CoX social media groups that still talk about the game and also still talk about their animosity towards NCSoft is astounding, IMO.

From what I've read about MxM, the suits at NCSoft may or may not have greenlit the use of Statesman, et. al. for the purposes of keeping their trademarks alive, but the developer(s) who proposed and implemented the decision had only good intentions in doing so. I imagine that everyone involved was baffled by the cold shoulder turned on the game by ex-CoH players in the USA. Differing cultures aside, it's just really unusual even by American standards for the players of a game to hold a grudge forever as so many ex-CoH players seem prepared to do. I've sometimes wondered if that cold shoulder does more harm than good, but it is what it is. A significant number of people feel HARMED by NCSoft and they won't be happy until they are completely out of the picture.

And, of course, the years of "we're close to achieving something; be patient" messages has served to keep the myth of the player buyout alive way longer than it ordinarily would have lived for most other games. (Note that I'm using the word "myth" in it's more academic meaning here; I'm not implying anything about the truth or falsehood of any of those messages.) Given that, it's not weird at all that many people are still holding on, hoping for Pandora's Box to open once again.

Personally; I think that the recent surge in interest in SEGS and its relatively recent growth from one-guy-with-a-dream into a fully-fledged team is a tacit acknowledgement by the still-remaining fan base that most of us expect that all "efforts" have failed and that it's basically up to us now to realize whatever vision of the original game we're capable of realizing.

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Re: New efforts!
« Reply #28754 on: October 16, 2018, 09:58:22 AM »
CoH was really one of a kind.  I have played lots of MMO's since CoH's shut down and enjoyed plenty.  But none were as great as CoH by a wide margin.  I usually just end up missing CoH after awhile of playing an MMO.

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Re: New efforts!
« Reply #28755 on: October 16, 2018, 01:23:21 PM »
I feel the CoX community turned a cold shoulder to the MxM inclusion of Statesman for two reasons.

1.  Despite the niceties that were wrapped around the gesture by NCSoft, it was a pretty obvious maneuver to make sure that they kept the copyright active, by doing the absolute minimum required to keep hold of it, despite their reticence to do anything with it.  Yeah, we get it NCSoft.  You own it, we don't, and there apparently is nothing we can do about it.  But, thanks for rubbing it in!

2.  The ONLY way CoX fans want to see Statesman used, is in the game where he belongs.  Not in some supposed benevolent gesture they were throwing to us, by using him outside of the only game where we actually want to see him.
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Re: New efforts!
« Reply #28756 on: October 17, 2018, 05:22:40 AM »

Personally; I think that the recent surge in interest in SEGS and its relatively recent growth from one-guy-with-a-dream into a fully-fledged team is a tacit acknowledgement by the still-remaining fan base that most of us expect that all "efforts" have failed and that it's basically up to us now to realize whatever vision of the original game we're capable of realizing.

I try to minimize discussion of those things that should not be discussed and I don't know what is going on with SEGS, but the idea of a widely distributed stand-alone server that anyone can run and that can support CoH is something that has been discussed previously to enthusiastic approval -- independently of any efforts to get the game restored as an available MMORPG
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