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"Most Used" salvage
« on: March 08, 2012, 08:38:25 PM »
So I have a proposal that I have no idea how to create the foundation for. I would like to see a list of all the Invention Salvage that goes from most used to least used. I have a theory that there are a few really-overused pieces and several really-underused pieces that could easily be substituted for an overused piece. Granted, such a suggestion would require a lot of data changes, but I think if demand for pieces were spread out over a wider variety instead of seeming to concentrate on just a handful of salvage in each level bracket it'd be better for the game. It is kind of weird that the devs seemed to latch on to a few different pieces of salvage and used them in almost freakin' everything.

However, I have no idea how to massage DPL or complex templating into making a list of all salvage that sorts itself by usage numbers and also lists the number of uses after it. I've managed to make a list of all salvage sorted by usage numbers. It's the second part that is completely beyond me.

I'm off to work in a couple minutes so it'll be a few hours before I return to this thread. Just forewarning if there are questions/concerns.
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Re: "Most Used" salvage
« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2012, 11:20:46 PM »
Not sure if this'll help at all, but I started something like this back in 2007.  I hadn't yet updated anything with the changes to temp power recipies, and it's a lot of manual counting, but it could be useful for something.

http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=119737

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Re: "Most Used" salvage
« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2012, 11:24:12 PM »
Dunno about DPL, but I put together a program to do the heavy lifting.

Full list with recipes is here:
http://perfectkiosk.net/guyperfect/SalvageUsage.txt

Abridged list with just Salvage is as follows:

123   Com   Mid   Spell Ink
122   Com   Mid   Rune
120   Com   Mid   Demonic Blood Sample
119   Com   Mid   Circuit Board
118   Com   Mid   Alchemical Silver
117   Com   Mid   Stabilized Mutant Genome
117   Com   Mid   Scientific Theory
117   Com   Mid   Masterwork Weapon
117   Com   Mid   Improvised Cybernetic
117   Com   Mid   Ancient Bone
116   Com   Mid   Iron
112   Com   Mid   Inert Gas
106   Com   Low   Runebound Armor
106   Com   Low   Luck Charm
104   Com   Low   Simple Chemical
104   Com   Low   Computer Virus
104   Com   Low   Brass
103   Com   Low   Spiritual Essence
103   Com   Low   Boresight
102   Com   Low   Human Blood Sample
102   Com   Low   Clockwork Winder
101   Com   Low   Spell Scroll
100   Com   Low   Inanimate Carbon Rod
100   Com   Low   Ancient Artifact
 81   Com   High  Ruby
 79   Com   High  Silver
 79   Com   High  Regenerating Flesh
 79   Com   High  Fortune
 78   Com   High  Spirit Thorn
 77   Com   High  Ceramic Armor Plate
 76   Com   High  Mathematic Proof
 76   Com   High  Hydraulic Piston
 75   Com   High  Nevermelting Ice
 75   Com   High  Demonic Threat Report
 73   Com   High  Kinetic Weapon
 71   Com   High  Temporal Analyzer
 61   Unc   Mid   Ensorcelled Weapon
 60   Unc   Mid   Steel
 60   Unc   Mid   Corrosive Gas
 60   Unc   Mid   Carnival of Shadows Mask
 60   Unc   Mid   Alchemical Gold
 59   Unc   Mid   Commercial Cybernetic
 58   Unc   Mid   Scientific Law
 58   Unc   Mid   Data Drive
 57   Unc   Mid   Living Tattoo
 56   Unc   Low   Unearthed Relic
 56   Unc   Mid   Symbol
 54   Unc   High  Titanium Shard
 54   Unc   High  Thorn Tree Vine
 54   Unc   Mid   Mutant DNA Strand
 54   Unc   Mid   Blood of the Incarnate
 53   Unc   Low   Volume of the Obsidian Librum
 53   Unc   Low   Heavy Water
 53   Unc   High  Energy Weapon
 53   Unc   Low   Daemon Program
 51   Unc   Low   Psionic Ectoplasm
 50   Unc   Low   Polycarbon
 49   Unc   Low   Temporal Sands
 49   Unc   Low   Scope
 48   Unc   High  Unquenchable Flame
 48   Unc   Low   Soulbound Armor
 48   Unc   High  Psionic Threat Report
 48   Unc   Low   Mutant Blood Sample
 48   Unc   High  Destiny
 47   Unc   High  Bleeding Stone
 46   Unc   High  Gold
 46   Unc   Low   Chemical Formula
 46   Unc   High  Chaos Theorem
 45   Unc   High  Pneumatic Piston
 45   Unc   Low   Clockwork Gear
 44   Unc   High  Temporal Tracer
 44   Unc   High  Sapphire
 43   Rare  High  Platinum
 43   Rare  High  Chronal Skip
 41   Rare  High  Hamidon Goo
 39   Rare  High  Prophecy
 39   Rare  High  Essence of the Furies
 38   Rare  Mid   Military Cybernetic
 38   Rare  Mid   Deific Weapon
 37   Rare  Mid   Soul Trapped Gem
 37   Rare  High  Positronic Matrix
 37   Rare  High  Pangean Soil
 36   Rare  High  Synthetic Intelligence Unit
 36   Rare  High  Photonic Weapon
 36   Rare  Mid   Mutating Genome
 36   Rare  High  Magical Conspiracy
 35   Rare  Mid   Reactive Gas
 35   Rare  Mid   Holographic Memory
 35   Rare  Mid   Empowered Sigil
 34   Rare  Mid   Mu Vestment
 34   Rare  Mid   Impervium
 34   Rare  Mid   Conspiratorial Evidence
 33   Rare  Mid   Enchanted Impervium
 31   Rare  Low   Plasma Capacitor
 31   Rare  Low   Enriched Plutonium
 31   Rare  High  Diamond
 31   Rare  Mid   Black Blood of the Earth
 30   Rare  Low   Strand of Fate
 30   Rare  High  Rikti Alloy
 30   Rare  Low   Heads Up Display
 29   Rare  Low   Alien Blood Sample
 28   Rare  Low   Page from the Malleus Mundi
 28   Rare  Low   Lament Box
 27   Rare  Low   Complex Chemical Formula
 26   Rare  Low   Symbiotic Armor
 26   Rare  Low   Source Code
 26   Rare  Low   Psionic Manifestation
 26   Rare  Low   Psionicly Charged Brass
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Re: "Most Used" salvage
« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2012, 11:43:21 PM »
Some recipes are more in demand than others, which may have an affect on Salvage prices on the market. In particular, keep an eye on Kinetic Combat and the Miracle / Numina's Convalescence / Regenerative Tissue / Performance Shifter procs.

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Re: "Most Used" salvage
« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2012, 12:44:35 AM »
I can see the merit of this as some recipies for crafting seem to be scewed towards certain salvage, but I'm wondering how you will rank them? Do you rank based on ingame mechanics or real world usage? Just because salvage A is in half the recipies doesn't mean that lesser spread salvage B isn't used more because of recipie group X in real world trials. Good idea, just curious how it's going to work.
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Re: "Most Used" salvage
« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2012, 02:15:36 AM »
<.< you can go to the auction house and just look at the salvage. a lot of the numbers are inflated, but generally looking at # sitting around vs # being bid on gives a good idea the ones that get used more.

>_> cept for the 30-50.. all of those are in insane amounts because the f2p and 2/3rds of the premium ppl can't use them so just dump but...
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Re: "Most Used" salvage
« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2012, 04:19:44 AM »
I can see the merit of this as some recipies for crafting seem to be scewed towards certain salvage, but I'm wondering how you will rank them? Do you rank based on ingame mechanics or real world usage? Just because salvage A is in half the recipies doesn't mean that lesser spread salvage B isn't used more because of recipie group X in real world trials. Good idea, just curious how it's going to work.
I was just doing some brain dumping, really. I was looking to see if there was some sort of serious imbalance of salvage usage. Looking to see if there was somewhere that salvage could be evened out, which would spread out some of the demand. Was going to base a suggestion on the official forums off the info.

It looks like there occasionally is, for instance:
- Luck Charm is tied for most-used low level common salvage, *AND* it's in several very common recipes (Accuracy, Defense, and a large number of low level special IOs).
- the most-used high level rare salvage (Platinum) is used almost twice as much as the least used (Psionicly Charged Brass) - *and* Platinum is used in a large number of very rares and some of the more popular rares.

However, it's actually not as bad as I initially thought. They *do* occasionally overuse some salvage but they've done an OK job of spreading things out. Could use some tweaking but it's not as bad as I thought.

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Re: "Most Used" salvage
« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2012, 04:20:25 AM »
<.< you can go to the auction house and just look at the salvage. a lot of the numbers are inflated, but generally looking at # sitting around vs # being bid on gives a good idea the ones that get used more.

>_> cept for the 30-50.. all of those are in insane amounts because the f2p and 2/3rds of the premium ppl can't use them so just dump but...
This has absolutely nothing to do with what the thread is talking about.
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Re: "Most Used" salvage
« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2012, 07:15:03 AM »
o.o;; sorry if I misread. seemed to be talking about highest used salvage, meaning either 1) most often assigned by the devs to be used in the invention system, or 2) actually most used by the player base. I started assuming #1, but some of the above bits I was skimming brought up #2. since there where several suggestions for the first, I mentioned a way to get an idea about which have the highest volume of use.

@.@ seriously, I'm not trying to upset you or anything, but you away seem mad when I suggest something.
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Re: "Most Used" salvage
« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2012, 07:49:59 AM »
Some people mistake terseness with some kind of emotion. Unless I actually say that I'm mad, I'm not. I use few words, which more chatty people take to mean something completely different than their intent.

Thanks for explaining why you posted what you did, though.
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Re: "Most Used" salvage
« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2012, 05:01:29 PM »
Holy cow, Platinum IS used in a lot of purples. I know also that there tends to be a very high demand for Alchemical Silver, though that might be due to the number of recipes they're used in.

I think we can put together some more reports to get a better idea of how the inventions tie in with market demand. Is there any information someone's curious about that I could generate?

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Re: "Most Used" salvage
« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2012, 04:21:37 AM »
I have no idea what kind of structure such a project would have. I don't have a brain built for that kind of theorycrafting.
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Re: "Most Used" salvage
« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2012, 05:38:24 AM »
o_o other than trying to get an idea how to game the markets more, I'm not sure what use this date has in the long run.

I kinda always expected the devs to have balanced the salvage used in things more by this point...
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