Disney Concerns

[pikabko1000]

look ther  is a some huge Bull S H I T parden my french no respect to any one hear. only a lot of B.S that I like to get off my chest if you please bear with me I will do the best I can to explain my self.
First off I wanted to let all your people know that NC SOFT the leading of all B.S the bad news of Fired all the develepers at Cryptic Studios and or
Paragon Studios and killing COH to make money not from the USA. made the choice to go antai-American and deal with South Korea Taiwan Hong Kong what ever. I hadbeen busting my chops sending angry letters to NC soft and what is the repond to that Close the report. suspened the report I sent. I asked for NC soft Phone number so I can call these people up at NC soft to give a piece of my mind. not for my self. first off to speak for all and at the end of that then it becomes my turn on my views. Other people comes first right all of you the customers of NC soft/COH/COV
right.
I hate to say this Paragon Studios COH/COV develepers need the congradulations on the job well done. and should get a attereny and whoop NCsoft in court.
There are some big people out there that want to save COH. as badly I want COH to be saved as mush as all of you do. I do not want Disney Interactive to take over. I much rather have COHTITAN so have the sole right rto run COH. I do not want Mickey Mouse in my COH/COV
I had been a Japanese Anime fan of Space Space Battle Ship Yamato and all the Go Nigai Gaint robot anime and stay way from somthing like Duck Tails Duck Wing Duck, Mickey Mouse club and so on to be on COH. I sorry its like putting Mickey Mouse in Starwars. all of that Dose not work!
look at this. Darth Vader gives command to Mickey Mouse to fire the Death Star Canon. the screechey Yes Sir Dose not work at all

come on there is a market out to there to Save COH. what I do care is the game to be saved and paid for from a compnay what is a COH/ COV fans
ok. not a 6000000  pound mouse head monster to take over the world as it stands.
I made the choice to go to COH to stay way from Disney. the only time I go wth Disney is Tron Movies
also I like to ask a favor. if any one got the phone number of Paragon Studios so I can talk about what happend and give my congrads on the fine work to keepo the game on as long as it lasted. andask about whats to be done to safe COH with out Disney tying to be power rangers when I am a Super Sentai Fan. and do not want do deal with a black market power ranger

[Rae]

I'm a little confused by your post, I'm afraid, but in trying to address your points:

1) Paragon studios was more or less closed down the day of the announcement. I'm sure you could google their phone number, but its unlikely someone from the studio would there to take your call.

2) I think most people here would love to take over the running and development of CoH. We'd only need to raise about $18m to buy the IP from NC Soft .

3) I'm sorry you're not a fan of Disney. It seems some people have issues with them. We do, however , have a number of studios we hope to approach, if Disney turn us down. Hopefully ,one of them, everyone will approve of. 

[NecrotechMaster]

the thing im mostly worried about disney is that they might want to make a lot of massive changes to game and/or lore

if they just get it and keep it the same but add disney characters in future updates, i would be fine with that, as long as the core game stays the same

[Lily Barclay]

the thing im mostly worried about disney is that they might want to make a lot of massive changes to game and/or lore

if they just get it and keep it the same but add disney characters in future updates, i would be fine with that, as long as the core game stays the same

Disney trends to stay true to the IPs it obtains. I even cited that to them as one of the reasons I trust them and want them to have CoH in my letter to them. But we really should move this discussion to the hail Mary part of the forum.

[Roughtrade]

I dunno.  I've seen this same badly spelled rant before.  I think he's cross posting to troll.

[Lily Barclay]

I dunno.  I've seen this same badly spelled rant before.  I think he's cross posting to unicorn.

No it got moved over here by a mod and was turned into a thread. Used to be in the Thank the Media thread in Save Paragon

[Roughtrade]

Ah.  Should have noticed only two posts, so unlikely he was cross posting.

My original opinion about comparisons to mythological creatures remains unchanged.

There are a metric butt tonne of posts about concerns people have about Disney manning the helm.  I wish they had chosen one of the more elegantly expressed posts as a starting point for this particular conversation.

[Mister Bison]

look ther  is a some huge Bull S H I T parden my french no respect to any one hear. only a lot of B.S that I like to get off my chest if you please bear with me I will do the best I can to explain my self.
First off I wanted to let all your people know that NC SOFT the leading of all B.S the bad news of Fired all the develepers at Cryptic Studios and or
Paragon Studios and killing COH to make money not from the USA. made the choice to go antai-American and deal with South Korea Taiwan Hong Kong what ever. I hadbeen busting my chops sending angry letters to NC soft and what is the repond to that Close the report. suspened the report I sent. I asked for NC soft Phone number so I can call these people up at NC soft to give a piece of my mind. not for my self. first off to speak for all and at the end of that then it becomes my turn on my views. Other people comes first right all of you the customers of NC soft/COH/COV
right.
I hate to say this Paragon Studios COH/COV develepers need the congradulations on the job well done. and should get a attereny and whoop NCsoft in court.
There are some big people out there that want to save COH. as badly I want COH to be saved as mush as all of you do. I do not want Disney Interactive to take over. I much rather have COHTITAN so have the sole right rto run COH. I do not want Mickey Mouse in my COH/COV
I had been a Japanese Anime fan of Space Space Battle Ship Yamato and all the Go Nigai Gaint robot anime and stay way from somthing like Duck Tails Duck Wing Duck, Mickey Mouse club and so on to be on COH. I sorry its like putting Mickey Mouse in Starwars. all of that Dose not work!
look at this. Darth Vader gives command to Mickey Mouse to fire the Death Star Canon. the screechey Yes Sir Dose not work at all

come on there is a market out to there to Save COH. what I do care is the game to be saved and paid for from a compnay what is a COH/ COV fans
ok. not a 6000000  pound mouse head monster to take over the world as it stands.
I made the choice to go to COH to stay way from Disney. the only time I go wth Disney is Tron Movies
also I like to ask a favor. if any one got the phone number of Paragon Studios so I can talk about what happend and give my congrads on the fine work to keepo the game on as long as it lasted. andask about whats to be done to safe COH with out Disney tying to be power rangers when I am a Super Sentai Fan. and do not want do deal with a black market power ranger

UniqueDragon, is that you ?

Seriously, am I the only one to find a similarity in the expression ?

(Apologies to the real one if he got better since he warned us that the game may be gone to the americans)

[Vasarto]

The difference heroes would have between owned by ncsoft and disney is ncsoft logo replaced with disney and a possible COH2 made.

[Victoria Victrix]

OLD Disney was beginning to look like an evil empire.  Since around 2008, NEW Disney is proving to be one of the more ethical, responsible and reliable corporations out there.  Most notably, they have gotten a reputation for acquiring entertainment firms that know what they are doing and leaving them alone to do it.

Here's an example.  There were thousands of places you could have seen Disney product placement in the Avengers movie.  After all, Disney owns Marvel, and it wouldn't even have cost them anything. 

Featured brands:  ABC, Acura, aussieBum, Bose, CNN, Colantotte, C-SPAN, Dr. Pepper, Farmers Insurance, Harley-Davidson, Jansport, LG, MAC Cosmetics, MSNBC, NASA, NY1, Oracle, Plantronics, Rimowa, Southwest Airlines

No Disney.  OK, Disney owns ABC.  But there was nothing overtly Disney as product placement.

[houtex]

I dunno, VV... I saw a whole metric ton of Disney products in that movie. 

Nick Fury, Iron Man, Hulk, Thor...

[dwturducken]

Just to interject a WTF, here, when was the last time anyone saw a Disney movie "plug" something else Disney related? I'm not talking in-jokes, a-ha gags, Easter eggs, or the whole damn movie, here. You don't see Simba playing with a Mickey plushy, because that would be... a gross suspension of disbelief. I'm not saying the other concerns are invalid, but this one is mushroom-growin', been sittin' in the sun all day, bullshit.

Next?

[faith.grins]

Just to interject a WTF, here, when was the last time anyone saw a Disney movie "plug" something else Disney related? I'm not talking in-jokes, a-ha gags, Easter eggs, or the whole damn movie, here. You don't see Simba playing with a Mickey plushy, because that would be... a gross suspension of disbelief. I'm not saying the other concerns are invalid, but this one is mushroom-growin', been sittin' in the sun all day, bullshit.

Next?

Off the top of my head?

"Whoo, that's rich!  First pirates, now talking parrots!  What's next, a singing, dancing mouse with his own amusement park?" - Polly Lobster, Muppet Treasure Island.

You may call that an in-joke if you wish.  I call it good marketing.

[Roughtrade]

Off the top of my head?

"Whoo, that's rich!  First pirates, now talking parrots!  What's next, a singing, dancing mouse with his own amusement park?" - Polly Lobster, Muppet Treasure Island.

You may call that an in-joke if you wish.  I call it good marketing.

Except that it is in the Muppet Style to be self referential and somewhat cynical about the entire movie process.  Even when they were on their own, the running joke in the first muppet movie was Q "How did you know we would be here?"    A "It was in the script.  Scene Forty Three, Desert Exterior, Kermit and Fozzy are in the car."

They didn't plaster Mickey Mouse logos on the treasure and no one sang "When You Wish Upon a Star" anywhere.  It certainly isn't a bad thing to see Disney allowed a property they bought to continue to act in the manner that they had always done.

[faith.grins]

Enh.  True enough.  It did still readily come to mind.

[RogerWilco]

Disney trends to stay true to the IPs it obtains. I even cited that to them as one of the reasons I trust them and want them to have CoH in my letter to them. But we really should move this discussion to the hail Mary part of the forum.

I agree with this. Recently Disney has been good in keeping things like Marvel intact.

I would not even mind a spiritual successor to CoH in which we have The Avengers and Fantastic Four instead of the Freedom Phalanx as long as I can create my own character, missions and base/buildings and play the game in a casual friendly, non-grind way, I'd be happy.

[Tommy2Toes]

OLD Disney was beginning to look like an evil empire.  Since around 2008, NEW Disney is proving to be one of the more ethical, responsible and reliable corporations out there.  Most notably, they have gotten a reputation for acquiring entertainment firms that know what they are doing and leaving them alone to do it.

Here's an example.  There were thousands of places you could have seen Disney product placement in the Avengers movie.  After all, Disney owns Marvel, and it wouldn't even have cost them anything. 

Featured brands:  ABC, Acura, aussieBum, Bose, CNN, Colantotte, C-SPAN, Dr. Pepper, Farmers Insurance, Harley-Davidson, Jansport, LG, MAC Cosmetics, MSNBC, NASA, NY1, Oracle, Plantronics, Rimowa, Southwest Airlines

No Disney.  OK, Disney owns ABC.  But there was nothing overtly Disney as product placement.

I don't disagree with you other than...

Disney Interactive, the likely owner/caretaker for anything acquired COH-related, has been a cesspool of mismanaged properties and failed endeavors.

That is the only thing that worries me.  Disney as a company would be a fine owner.  Disney Interactive....not so sure.

My bigger fear is Disney buys it, hands it to Disney Interactive, and they smother the thing with a plastic bag because all they seem to understand is mobile gaming.  I'd LOVE a mobile gaming supplement to COH (Mobile Wentworths anyone?  COH Dayjob Monitor perhaps?).  But those are mobile elements added to the core MMO.

As a long time member of Disney's Pirates MMO, I haven't been impressed with how they deal with MMO environmental or social aspects of same.  They seem to be far too interested in watering it down to meet their E for Everyone perceived family standards.  Not sure Club Penguin and Toon Town offer any greater relevance to this.  MMO's are a very different animal, requiring cultivation of the social elements of the game to thrive and flourish.  As has been said many times, the players of COH and the community managers worked very hard to make this happen.  Disney works very hard to NOT make it happen as they put significant investment in eradicating anything remotely controversial or questionable (for kids/families) from their MMO's.  The result is a very watered-down, 'generic' universe that maintains the integrity of the property being represented (you have pirates, you have ships, you have swashbuckling fights, etc.) without delving into anything questionable (pillaging is almost laughable in Pirates...more like 'shoplifting' than anything remotely exciting).

I keep my fingers crossed for the Hail Mary team nonetheless, but really remain concerned about how Disney will treat the COXiverse.

[dwturducken]

Strangely enough though, that wouldn't actually require Disney to acquire the IP. Marvel could do it as a fully fledged MMO with a system like that. Infringing on IP? Nope, because Champions Online allows you to make your characters, and bases... and the mission architect *concept* is used in the Foundry in STO.

Strictly speaking, that would still be Disney.

[dwturducken]

I did just have a terrible thought: Hal Sparks as Synapse! (or any role, really)

[Victoria Victrix]

I don't disagree with you other than...

Disney Interactive, the likely owner/caretaker for anything acquired COH-related, has been a cesspool of mismanaged properties and failed endeavors.

That is the only thing that worries me.  Disney as a company would be a fine owner.  Disney Interactive....not so sure.

My bigger fear is Disney buys it, hands it to Disney Interactive, and they smother the thing with a plastic bag because all they seem to understand is mobile gaming.  I'd LOVE a mobile gaming supplement to COH (Mobile Wentworths anyone?  COH Dayjob Monitor perhaps?).  But those are mobile elements added to the core MMO.

As a long time member of Disney's Pirates MMO, I haven't been impressed with how they deal with MMO environmental or social aspects of same.  They seem to be far too interested in watering it down to meet their E for Everyone perceived family standards.  Not sure Club Penguin and Toon Town offer any greater relevance to this.  MMO's are a very different animal, requiring cultivation of the social elements of the game to thrive and flourish.  As has been said many times, the players of COH and the community managers worked very hard to make this happen.  Disney works very hard to NOT make it happen as they put significant investment in eradicating anything remotely controversial or questionable (for kids/families) from their MMO's.  The result is a very watered-down, 'generic' universe that maintains the integrity of the property being represented (you have pirates, you have ships, you have swashbuckling fights, etc.) without delving into anything questionable (pillaging is almost laughable in Pirates...more like 'shoplifting' than anything remotely exciting).

I keep my fingers crossed for the Hail Mary team nonetheless, but really remain concerned about how Disney will treat the COXiverse.

I'm actually glad you brought that up, because Disney Interactive has not made a profit in the entire time of its existence.  Where CoX demonstrably has.  While we delicately did not point out the fact that they have not made a profit, we did point out that CoX did.  Unlike NCSoft, Disney likes to buy experts that know how to do things (like turn a profit?), then turn them loose.

[0nehanklap]

UniqueDragon, is that you ?

Seriously, am I the only one to find a similarity in the expression ?

(Apologies to the real one if he got better since he warned us that the game may be gone to the americans)

Actually, I find it strangely comforting to think he might still be out there . . .

[Archlight]

While am encouraged by VV efforts and passion I am unsure why Disney would even want to look at COH. They are the owners of Marvel and isn't Marvel/Disney working on the new Marvel MMO. Granted their MMO is Diablo III based and compared to COH its like playing a sims version of a super hero game.

Not sure why they would want to buy and run a competitive product. The only hope I have here is they drop the Diablo III effort and port there efforts and bring Marvel characters into the COH game with COH2.

Maybe there are things afoot I cannot see of do not understand.

Keep the good work going I am rooting for us all.

[Rae]

http://www.cohtitan.com/forum/index.php/topic,6367.0.html
Question 11 

[Archlight]

Excellent and let me get my cape out of the way so you can carry on.

Still learning my way around the new boards.

[dwturducken]

Welcome, if no one else has said it, yet.

[Golden Girl]

While am encouraged by VV efforts and passion I am unsure why Disney would even want to look at COH. They are the owners of Marvel and isn't Marvel/Disney working on the new Marvel MMO. Granted their MMO is Diablo III based and compared to COH its like playing a sims version of a super hero game.

If Time Warner offered them DC or Paramount offered them Star Trek, do you think Disney would say "thanks, but we've alreay got franchises that cover those areas"?

[WolfSoul]

I'm confused, WTF is a "unicorn"? I know what a troll is, but I've never heard about unicorns on message boards.

Thank you,

WolfSoul

[Victoria Victrix]

I'm confused, WTF is a "unicorn"? I know what a unicorn is, but I've never heard about unicorns on message boards.

Thank you,

WolfSoul

The Titan boards automatically translate the name for a common and obnoxious forum pest named for a creature that dwells under bridges into the equally mythical and fanciful "unicorn."

It also now evidently translates the common four letter term for excrement into "pancake."  Whole new meaning for "International House of Pancakes".....

[dwturducken]

I didn't know about the excrement one! Codewalker's been busy! And living up to his name...

[Vasarto]

Hey everyone VV, TonyV and the other guys running the show!

I have an idea....Everyone likes Disney right? I mean even if they SAY they hate it if you offered to buy their entire way into Disney Land I am pretty damned sure there is few people whom would say NO to that right?

So what I was thinking is offering NCSOFT this "what if" that might convince them to sell the game to Disney if Asked.

So NCSOFT "whomever we are talking to with the authority"

You like Disney or have gone to or want to go to Disney land?
Asian guy so obvious answer is gonna be a yes yes and yes.

OK! So we all know Disney LOVES to make rides out of all of their fan favorite things even if the ride only lasts a short while. I mean Mr. Toads Wild Ride was based off a B List movie and it lasted for decades!

So If you were to sell to Disney if they end up asking or maybe you could help them choose by offering! We might be able to convince them to make a City of Heroes ride riiiight?

Now everyone KNOWS where City of Heroes originally came from and even though paragon was a big name YOUR name was right along side of it and none of that matters because something YOU Made possible is now a Disney ride....that YOU can now go to!

Think about it? City of Heroes ride in Disney land right? It would all be possible because of you and not just YOU win because you get to ride something like that by the whole WORLD would win!

What you guys think? lol

Just funny enough to try in the future? See what they think?
come On! Asians LOVE rides and they LOVE Disney! That is half the reason why NCSOFT couldn't say no if Disney came asking right?

[Roughtrade]

Think about it? City of Heroes ride in Disney land right? It would all be possible because of you and not just YOU win because you get to ride something like that by the whole WORLD would win!

It has been said in several places around the forums that this sort of thing is kind of a bad idea.

First of all, we cannot promise anything.  We are not involved.  A pitch has been made requesting Disney investigate purchasing City of Heroes from NC Soft.  If they do, we have no input in the actual deal.  We cannot promise the creation of rides, movies, toys or games or anything. 

Suggesting to Disney what Disney might do with it's theme park properties is kind of rude.  I believe the phrase most often being tossed about refers to grandmothers and teaching about egg sucking. 

Suggesting to NC Soft that we have any input or influence on what Disney might offer or do is insulting because frankly they know we have no influence on the decision. 

[Segev]

On the other hand, if your letter includes, "I would LOVE to see such things as CoH-themed rides at Disneyland," as an expression of why the idea of CoH becoming part of the Disney family excites you, I doubt it would offend them. It's not trying to tell them how to use it, at that point, but showing starry-eyed hope and excitement over the wonderful things you think Disney might do (and that would excite you, as a paying customer, to see).

[Vasarto]

On the other hand, if your letter includes, "I would LOVE to see such things as CoH-themed rides at Disneyland," as an expression of why the idea of CoH becoming part of the Disney family excites you, I doubt it would offend them. It's not trying to tell them how to use it, at that point, but showing starry-eyed hope and excitement over the wonderful things you think Disney might do (and that would excite you, as a paying customer, to see).

I made mention that there are tons of cool things they could do in addition to just having the game. I forget how exactly I worded it but I basically made mention that they would have the opportunity to do their own stuff with it as well. Gave them examples like Disney related clothe items or maybe levels or powers etc.
Didn't mention that they should just that It about how really cool it could be and that there are many many other options that they could decide to do with it.

So mentioning that we would love to see a ride would be ok too!

Of course I only really meant it as a joke over all. So don't take it too seriously lol.

[Victoria Victrix]

Love your enthusiasm, Vasarto, but a little research first....

"Mr. Toad's Wild Ride" is based on a classic Disney cartoon called "The Wind In The Willows" which is based in turn on a beloved British classic childrens' book.  It's right up there with Alice In Wonderland and Pinocchio.  In fact, it's probably about time for Disney to unVault Wind In The Willows again.

[Botzo]

Actually there is a group out there that apparently has been making plans to build a video game theme park(s)/tours/resorts. I don't think that Game Nations would be  too big into buying City as they're only just beginning to take their planning to execution in the next few years, but are looking for for rights to use certain IPs in their plans.

They recently did an interview on a internet radio show I listen to.

http://www.deadpixellive.com/episodes/1555-723-dead-pixel-live-11-26-12

[Roughtrade]

I made mention that there are tons of cool things they could do in addition to just having the game. I forget how exactly I worded it but

That's okay.  It is the post directly above the one you were commenting on.  Let me get that for you.

So what I was thinking is offering NCSOFT this "what if" that might convince them to sell the game to Disney if Asked.

So NCSOFT "whomever we are talking to with the authority"

You like Disney or have gone to or want to go to Disney land?
Asian guy so obvious answer is gonna be a yes yes and yes.

OK! So we all know Disney LOVES to make rides out of all of their fan favorite things even if the ride only lasts a short while. I mean Mr. Toads Wild Ride was based off a B List movie and it lasted for decades!

So If you were to sell to Disney if they end up asking or maybe you could help them choose by offering! We might be able to convince them to make a City of Heroes ride riiiight?

  (Highlighting my own)

Suggesting, even as a joke, that we have any control over this to NC Soft would be very harmful to the current proposal.  Not taking it 'too seriously' 'lol' and all but, this sort of comment tends to be misquoted and spiral out of control.

[Roughtrade]

Actually there is a group out there that apparently has been making plans to build a video game theme park(s)/tours/resorts.

They better give Larry Niven and Steven Barnes a cut of the profits.  <Insert Grin Here>
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dream_Park

[WolfSoul]

The Titan boards automatically translate the name for a common and obnoxious forum pest named for a creature that dwells under bridges into the equally mythical and fanciful "unicorn."

It also now evidently translates the common four letter term for excrement into "pancake."  Whole new meaning for "International House of Pancakes".....

Ah, now I get it. Thank you.

[WolfSoul]

On the other hand, if your letter includes, "I would LOVE to see such things as CoH-themed rides at Disneyland," as an expression of why the idea of CoH becoming part of the Disney family excites you, I doubt it would offend them. It's not trying to tell them how to use it, at that point, but showing starry-eyed hope and excitement over the wonderful things you think Disney might do (and that would excite you, as a paying customer, to see).

Like "Silver Mantis' Dungeon Ride?"
 

[Victoria Victrix]

Like "Silver Mantis' Dungeon Ride?"
 

HEY NOW!

[mikoroshi]

Like "Silver Mantis' Dungeon Ride?"
 

I suspect that one would vibrate a lot. 0_o

[Rienuaa]

This thread reminds me of a certain thread involving jerk-hackers...

[WolfSoul]

HEY NOW!

Oops, there's that line. *tiptoes back over it*

[Nyx Nought Nothing]

UniqueDragon, is that you ?

Seriously, am I the only one to find a similarity in the expression ?

(Apologies to the real one if he got better since he warned us that the game may be gone to the americans)

Actually the phrasing and grammar fails to me seem rather different from Uniquedragon's signature butchering of English. That said, parsing the OP did give me a bit of a headache. In all honesty i think the OP's concerns are rather misplaced at best.

Still, the point about Disney Interactive failing to turn a profit i can see as being both a bit concerning and likely to make CoH somewhat more appealing. The major issue i see is that most of the staff of Paragon Studios have been scattered to the winds at this point. Still, if Disney could also recruit the PS lead developers and whatever staff are willing to rejoin it just might work. In my opinion what really made the game work as well as it did was the Developer team, including (or especially) the rarely sighted by the players programmers who in my opinion were doing some amazing work expanding the engine. Just the pending scripting capabilities and things like Forcemove that were supposed to be added in Issue 24 were impressive additions. Simply buying the CoH IP from NCsoft and assembling a completely new staff to work on it could lead to another lackluster product on Disney Interactive's hands. Without the willingness to actively work with the game's community and maintain a two way dialogue i'd be dubious about City of Heroes' viability in the short to medium term. At the least i'd hope they'd manage to bring Matt and/or Melissa back on board.

Still, everything hinges on NCsoft doing something they've never done before and selling a cancelled game to another company, so i'll just continue to keep my fingers crossed that something happens in the near future.